We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways

[BugHunt]

We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the planet. Every bit of that's got to change. ((("No, Al, no --- we're *pro* on mortaging the America's future the Communists so as to enrich the Arabs! It's the all-American way!")))
But if we grab hold of that common thread and pull it hard, all of these complex problems begin to unravel and we will find that we're holding the answer to all of them right in our hand. The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels.


Today I challenge our nation to commit to producing 100 percent of our electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources within 10 years. ((("I know this is expensive, Al, so, uh, you can have all the money I've been giving the Arabs and Chinese. Which is much, much more money than I actually have, since my house price is collapsing. Will that be enough?")))
This goal is achievable, affordable and transformative. It represents a challenge to all Americans -- in every walk of life: to our political leaders, entrepreneurs, innovators, engineers, and to every citizen.
A few years ago, it would not have been possible to issue such a challenge. But here's what's changed: the sharp cost reductions now beginning to take place in solar, wind, and geothermal power -- coupled with the recent dramatic price increases for oil and coal -- have radically changed the economics of energy.
When I first went to Congress 32 years ago, (((he's old, and he's even become kind of wise))) I listened to experts testify that if oil ever got to $35 a barrel, then renewable sources of energy would become competitive. Well, today, the price of oil is over $135 per barrel.


To those who argue that we do not yet have the technology to accomplish these results with renewable energy: I ask them to come with me to meet the entrepreneurs who will drive this revolution. I've seen what they are doing and I have no doubt that we can meet this challenge. (((The new American energy moguls. The dot-greenies. Could they be any worse than oil shieks, Nigerians and Russians? Smarmier, maybe, but come on, stop shipping your kid's college money to Dubai and put it in West Texas. Is that so hard to grasp?)))


http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/07/were-borrowing.html


Interesting Wired article....

[noname]

The only global warming comes from algore(manbearpigs) gigantic cockholster.

[brainplay]

The climate crisis, in particular, is getting a lot worse -- much more quickly than predicted.

Blahahaha! No it isn't and science laughs at you now.

Its just a great coincidence that the guys pushing the climate crisis thing also have the biggest hand in the carbon credit scams and alternate energy businesses. I mean they MUST be doing it for the planet...not the billions they stand to make.

[loganinkosovo]

Sorry Buddy but that Global Warming Dog just don't hunt worth a damn and anyone with half a brain knows it.


http://www.weatherquestions.com/UAH_LT_since_1979.jpg

Fig. 2. The Mann et al. (1998) proxy (mostly tree ring) reconstruction of global temperature over the last 1,000 years is believed to have erroneously minimized the warmth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP).

http://www.weatherquestions.com/hockey_stick.jpg


http://www.weatherquestions.com/2000-years-of-global-temperatures.jpg
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm


The Global Warming Hoax is not a science but a religion built on a stack of lies taller than Al "Manbearpig" Gore's ill gotten gains from bilking idiots that have bought into this marxist fantasy....over 100 million dollars at last count.

Al needs Global Warming Idiots to pay his light bills and jet fuel costs so he can spread more lies to the gullible.

[deagle]

well, seeing is believing, so lets see them entrepeuners put their money where their mouths are i guess.

[brainplay]

Sorry Buddy but that Global Warming Dog just don't hunt worth a damn and anyone with half a brain knows it.



I was being sarcastic there. :cantbeli:

[Abaddon]

Whether global warming is real or imagined is irrelevant - it gives the people the necessary drive to move away from petroleum before its too late.

[brainplay]

Whether global warming is real or imagined is irrelevant - it gives the people the necessary drive to move away from petroleum before its too late.

Incorrect. The high gas prices give people the necessary drive to move away from petroleum. Nobody gives a rats rear end about a "green" Prius as much as they do about its high miles per gallon rating. You think they're not buying Hummers and Escalades because they want to "save the planet"?

Progress in technology is based on conflict and profit. And the global warming thing isn't conflict enough to stir too many people.

[Alexandr]

You are borrowing not only from China.
130 billions from Russia
600 billions from Arabs
80 billions from Venezuela
30 billions from Nigeria
You are totally beggarly, destitute and indigent
USA strogn!111!!!! Muahahahahaha

[Havoc345]

You are borrowing not only from China.
130 billions from Russia
600 billions from Arabs
80 billions from Venezuela
30 billions from Nigeria
You are totally beggarly, destitute and indigent
USA strogn!111!!!! Muahahahahaha

:bash:

When will it end

[loganinkosovo]

I was being sarcastic there. :cantbeli:

Yes, I know....but took the opening to educate the left in reality....something they really don't have contact with too often.

:)

[kosse]

:bash:

When will it end

When Chinese and Russians come to take your house, guns and MP.net servers to pay for your loans. p-)

[loganinkosovo]

Whether global warming is real or imagined is irrelevant - it gives the people the necessary drive to move away from petroleum before its too late.

Too late for what?

We have over 200 years worth of oil in the states that the left won't let us drill and about 500 years of coal that the left won't let us dig.

What are we too late for?

Any "alternate" energy source is either too expensive, cannot create any where near enough power for our needs, making people in the third world starve and uses petroleum products to make

or

too expensive, cannot create any where near enough power for our needs, uses petroleum products to make, making people in the third world starve and is worse for the environment than oil!



There is no such thing as a "Viable" alternate energy source unless it's nuclear power. France knows that, that's why it's 75% nuclear powered.

Instead of Pi$$ing away money on useless "Alternate" Energy we should be finding way to burn oil and coal cleaner and with more energy conversion.



And if "Global Warming" is irrelevant then why are the socialists using it as a reason to pile more taxes on the already crippling tax burden of the middle class throughout the western world?

[randy10]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2120904096_162cd08a06_o.jpg

[Fade]

There is an ad on TV here thats running - 'Global warming........is caused by humans" or something similar. I find it to be rather misleading, as they do not furnish proof of this, yet use it to promote their commercial.

[Abaddon]

Too late for what?

We have over 200 years worth of oil in the states that the left won't let us drill and about 500 years of coal that the left won't let us dig.


I don't know where you're getting your figures but you're either blatantly lying or have an IQ of 50.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/

Start there, pull out a calculator, and then tell me we have 200 years of oil left (wrong) and 500 years of coal left (wrong). That sort of blatant ignorance and stupidity is exactly what is wrong with the United States today.rofl

Edit: I'll lay it out for the lazy people.

Petroleum:
Total Reserves in the US: 20,972,000,000 barrels
Annual Use: 7,554,601,000 barrels

Coal:
Total Reserves in the US: 18,880,000,000 short tons
Annual Use: 1,128,836,000 short tons

[brainplay]

I don't know where you're getting your figures but you're either blatantly lying or have an IQ of 50.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/

Start there, pull out a calculator, and then tell me we have 200 years of oil left (wrong) and 500 years of coal left (wrong). That sort of blatant ignorance and stupidity is exactly what is wrong with the United States today.rofl

Edit: I'll lay it out for the lazy people.

Petroleum:
Total Reserves in the US: 20,972,000,000 barrels
Annual Use: 7,554,601,000 barrels

Coal:
Total Reserves in the US: 18,880,000,000 short tons
Annual Use: 1,128,836,000 short tons

I believe he's speaking about huge offshore fields and ANWAR which we are not touching although there is a push to allow it. You're posting is about oil RESERVES which we hold onto in the case of the end of the world (not really rofl)

[Abaddon]

*sigh* No.

They might not teach this in Middle School Geology, but when the EIA says 'total proven reserves' or 'total recoverable reserves' it means...well, ****ing read the phrase. Its what is in the ground.

Furthermore, 'That sort of blatant ignorance and stupidity is exactly what is wrong with the United States today.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_reserves

Start there, its written in pretty simple terms. You don't have to be ignorant, that's a choice. Information is free and readily accessible in this age.

[loganinkosovo]

I believe he's speaking about huge offshore fields and ANWAR which we are not touching although there is a push to allow it. You're posting is about oil RESERVES which we hold onto in the case of the end of the world (not really rofl)

Don't get in a pi$$ing contest with him, dude. You understand that we aren't being allowed to drill our own oil or even look for it. We haven't built a refinery in 40 years and it's all due to the Enviro-Mentals and their lackeys in congress. If we are energy self sufficient we don't have to play games with the middle east and the balance of power shifts back to us.

This is anathema to the leftist who's life work is destroying American power, our society and our rights. The "Environmental" movement is just the new face of the old communists and it's goals are the same with elite, effete leftists like Manbearpig as their puppet "Messiah".

Wether it's 10, 40, 100 or 200 years, the minute we start drilling and refining in earnest the price will plummet world wide. The estimates are that we can have new oil finds refined and at the pump stating in 12 months after the go ahead to drill.

We have tons of natural gas which is a much more cleaner burning fuel but we aren't even allowed to use it since the Leftists won't allow terminals to be built to receive it.

I think you will find that one of the big issues come november will be "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less!" Bigger than the war, even.

Here's a bit about ANWR that the lefties don't want people to know....

How much oil is in ANWR? http://www.anwr.org/templates/ja_teline/images/pdf_button.png (http://www.anwr.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=46) http://www.anwr.org/templates/ja_teline/images/printButton.png (http://www.anwr.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=58) http://www.anwr.org/templates/ja_teline/images/emailButton.png (http://www.anwr.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=46&itemid=58)
http://www.anwr.org/images/stories/news/46-Coastal_Plain_Spring.jpg

Coastal Plain of ANWR

Geologists agree that the Coastal Plain has the nation's best geologic prospects for major new onshore oil discoveries. According to the Department of Interior's 1987 resource evaluation of ANWR's Coastal Plain, there is a 95% chance that a 'super field' with 500 million barrels would be discovered. DOI also estimates that there exists a mean of 3.5 billion barrels, and a 5% chance that a large Prudhoe Bay type discovery would be made.
High potential. The high potential for significant discoveries of oil and gas in ANWR has long been recognized. Early explorers of the region at the turn of the century, found oil seeps and oil-stained sands. However, since ANWR was established in 1960, exploration in the region has been restricted to surface geological investigations, aeromagnetic surveys, and two winter seismic surveys (in 1983-84 and 1984-85). No exploratory drilling has been accomplished in the area except for one well commenced in the winter of 1984-85 on Kaktovik Inupiat Corporation and Arctic Slope Regional Corporation lands southeast of Kaktovik on the Coastal Plain.
Location to big finds. Although little oil and gas exploration has taken place in ANWR, the Coastal Plain is believed to have economically recoverable oil resources. The Coastal Plain lies between two known major discovery areas. About 65 miles to the west of the Coastal Plain, the Prudhoe Bay, Lisburne, Endicott, Milne Point, and Kuparuk oil fields are currently in production. Approximately 1.5 million barrels of oil a day are produced from these fields, representing 25% of our domestic production. To the east of the Coastal Plain, major discoveries have been made in Canada, near the Mackenzie River Delta and in the Beaufort Sea.
U.S. Geological Survey - 1980. In 1980, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated the Coastal Plain could contain up to 17 billion barrels of oil and 34 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
U.S. Department of Interior - 1987. After several years of surface geological investigations, aeromagnetic surveys, and two winter seismic surveys (in 1983-84 and 1984-85), the U.S. Department of Interior (DOI), in its April, 1987 report on the oil and gas potential of the Coastal Plain, estimated that there are billions of barrels of oil to be discovered in the area. DOI estimates that "in-place resources" range from 4.8 billion to 29.4 billion barrels of oil. Recoverable oil estimates ranges from 600 million barrels at the low end to 9.2 billion barrels at the high end. They also reported identifying 26 separate oil and gas prospects in the Coastal Plain that could each contain "super giant" fields (500 million barrels or more).
U.S. Geological Survey � 1998. The most recent petroleum assessment prepared by the USGS in 1998 (OFR 98-34), increased the estimate for technically recoverable mean crude oil resources. (See Oil in the ANWR? It�s Time to Find Out!)
Only drilling will tell. The geologic indicators are very favorable for the presence of significant oil and gas resources in ANWR, but the limited data means that there is a high level of uncertainty about how much oil and gas may be present. Consequently, current estimates represent the best scientific guesses. However, most geologists agree that the potential is on the order of billions of barrels of recoverable oil and trillions of cubic feet of recoverable gas and that these resources may rival or exceed the initial reserves at Prudhoe Bay. The validity of these estimates can be proved only by drilling exploratory wells. Authorization for exploration must be given by Congress and the President.
In 1996 the North Slope oil fields produced about 1.5 million barrels of oil per day, or approximately 25 percent of the U.S. domestic production. However, Prudhoe Bay, which accounts for over half of North Slope production, began its decline in 1988, and no new fields have yet been discovered with the potential to compensate for that decline.


http://www.anwr.org/Background/How-much-oil-is-in-ANWR.php

[Abaddon]

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/anwr/results.html

"With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices. Relative to the AEO2008 reference case, ANWR oil production is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light (LSL) crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 in the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 in the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 in the high oil resource case. Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."

You don't understand, we can't be energy self-sufficient when it comes to petroleum, its physically impossible. That's why I believe 'global warming' is a good thing, regardless of whether or not it is true, we need to move away from petroleum instead of clinging to ignorant dreams that we can somehow magically produce enough domestically.

[Fiber]

This is anathema to the leftist who's life work is destroying American power, our society and our rights. The "Environmental" movement is just the new face of the old communists and it's goals are the same with elite, effete leftists like Manbearpig as their puppet "Messiah". Tin foil hats - ON!


Wether it's 10, 40, 100 or 200 years, the minute we start drilling and refining in earnest the price will plummet world wide. The estimates are that we can have new oil finds refined and at the pump stating in 12 months after the go ahead to drill. Unless umpa lumpas are building it it will take years to complete a refinery.


U.S. Department of Interior - 1987. After several years of surface geological investigations, aeromagnetic surveys, and two winter seismic surveys (in 1983-84 and 1984-85), the U.S. Department of Interior (DOI), in its April, 1987 report on the oil and gas potential of the Coastal Plain, estimated that there are billions of barrels of oil to be discovered in the area. DOI estimates that "in-place resources" range from 4.8 billion to 29.4 billion barrels of oil. Recoverable oil estimates ranges from 600 million barrels at the low end to 9.2 billion barrels at the high end. They also reported identifying 26 separate oil and gas prospects in the Coastal Plain that could each contain "super giant" fields (500 million barrels or more).

According to this (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm) the high end estimate equals around 2,5 years of crude oil imports. And then you have oil product imports on top of that. Good luck with the independency.

[brainplay]

*sigh* No.

They might not teach this in Middle School Geology, but when the EIA says 'total proven reserves' or 'total recoverable reserves' it means...well, ****ing read the phrase. Its what is in the ground.

Furthermore, 'That sort of blatant ignorance and stupidity is exactly what is wrong with the United States today.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_reserves

Start there, its written in pretty simple terms. You don't have to be ignorant, that's a choice. Information is free and readily accessible in this age.

Uh..*yes.

Total proven reserves are what we know, not what we speculate. Those areas are still speculation and do not count towards total proven reserves. Read your own link dude. ANWAR is speculated to be that big from the very limited exploration thats been done. So far even the limited exploration has the geological community creaming their pants wondering if they have another middle east equivalent under all of that ice. The same goes for offshore drilling where only limited exploration has been done thanks to the enviro-nazi's.

Hey I want the US to be self sufficient too but we have yet to find anything that comes close to what oil can do right now. Sure there are some technologies out there but they are inefficient and more expensive than what many people seem to think. Eventually we'll get there but there is still a long road ahead and throwing money at those projects isn't going to speed it up.

[Gfunk]

Hahaha, someone just said we have 200 years worth of oil on American soil. That has to be the funniest thing I've read in a while.

If you believe the global warming scare or not, Gore is right, we must, at all costs, remove our economy and lifestyle from the grips of carbon-based energy.