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BlackRain
06-04-2004, 04:53 PM
Much of Rome sealed off as protesters denounce Bush (pics)

FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press Writer


A small group of stone-throwing demonstrators clashed with police at a march Friday by tens of thousands of people to protest President Bush's visit to the Italian capital, with streets sealed off and guarded by officers in riot gear.

Friday's demonstration was organised by the Communist and Greens, while the mainstream left-wing opposition who also oppose the visit, said they would not take part out of respect for the US soldiers who died in the liberation of Rome.

Tall metal gates and paramilitary jeeps and trucks blocked a main thoroughfare leading to Piazza Venezia, the heart of the capital, as the marchers approached within a few dozen yards of the residence of Premier Silvio Berlusconi, a staunch Bush ally during the Iraq war and the current occupation, which includes Italian troops.

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Photo: Italian police officers in riot gear, left, are seen during clashes with demonstrators, right, in Rome's Piazza Venezia Square

Two police officers were bruised when they were struck with stones and bottles, the Italian news agency Apcom said. Officials at police headquarters could not be immediately reached for details on the clash.

Cobblestone alleys were sealed off to prevent any violent protesters from breaking away from the march and rushing some of the 10,000 police deployed along the route.

Near Circus Maximus, the ancient Roman games field, about 20 demonstrators in black hoods taunted police and threw rocks. The officers set off a couple of tear gas canisters and the demonstrators darted away across the field.

The march route was far from Bush's motorcade.

Protest organizers claimed that 150,000 marchers turned out, while police put the crowd at about 25,000. In the weeks before the war began in 2003, an anti-war march in Rome drew 1 million participants.

Scuffles broke out briefly when police prevented a group of anti-war protesters from entering the off-limits monument housing Italy's Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in the city's central Piazza Venezia, an AFP reporter said.

"The police won't let us go through because they don't want us to demonstrate," said Fulvio Paolocci, a university student who was turned back by police at barricaded Piazza Venezia.

While most of the march was peaceful, the slogans on many of the banners and placards were stinging. "Heil Bush," began one sign's slogan, which ended in profanity.

Opposition to the Iraq war among Italians is high. Berlusconi contends the 2,900 Italians in the occupation forces are on a humanitarian mission.

Much of central Rome was deserted. Most shops were closed, and for those that there open, there were few customers. Tourists wandered around bewildered by the blocked streets.

Bush was marking the Allied liberation of Rome from its Nazi occupiers 60 years ago. A few hours before the march began, he met with Pope John Paul II, who vigorously opposed the invasion of Iraq. Bush meets Berlusconi on Saturday before heading to France.

"It's difficult to forget that the world would be different if 60 years ago, this great international alliance of forces hadn't formed against Nazism," said Romano Prodi, head of the European Commission and a center-left opposition leader.

But some protesters questioned whether Americans should still be called "liberators."

"Their credit was lost in Vietnam," said Mario Bucci, a 40-year-old waving a rainbow-colored peace flag.

The deployment of police in riot gear and the gate blocking off Piazza Venezia reminded many of Genoa during the 2001 Group of Eight summit, when that city's center was closed off with towering metal gates. Amid tens of thousands of peaceful marchers, a few hundred demonstrators rioted and attacked police. One protester was shot to death.

kenshiroIT
06-04-2004, 04:59 PM
the marchers was no more than 6-7000, central rome was almust desert.
Few but noisy :lol:

BlackRain
06-04-2004, 05:07 PM
the marchers was no more than 6-7000, central rome was almust desert.
Few but noisy :lol:

That's funny. United Press International just reported:

500,000 protest Bush's visit to Rome

Rome, Italy, Jun. 4 (UPI) -- Thousands filled Rome's streets Friday to protest President Bush's visit and their own country's involvement in the Iraq war, CNN reported.

Police deployed some 10,000 officers around Rome as an estimated 500,000 protested Bush's arrival and Italy's active support of the U.S. war in Iraq.

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Protests, which were largely peaceful, reached a peak shortly after Bush had an audience with Pope John Paul II in Vatican City. During that meeting Bush gave the pontiff the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest U.S. honor given to civilians.

On the first stop of his 36-hour European tour, Bush also met with Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a supporter of the Iraq war.

The prime minister has committed troops to the conflict despite the opposition of a majority of Italians. Twenty Italian soldiers and four civilians have been killed in the war.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040604-040853-5056r.htm

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A hooded protester throws a flare into the Defense Ministry during anti-war demonstrations in Rome June 4, 2004.

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Italian Police officers in riot gear, forground, face demonstrators during clashes at Circo Massimo grounds.

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Demonstrators shout slogans and show banners at the Vittoriano Unknown Soldier Monument.

budanski
06-04-2004, 05:27 PM
There is a reason why protestors are put into these "free speech zones." I wouldnt be surprised to hear that Secret Service snipers take out a protestor pointing one of these on the presidential motorcade...

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A hooded protester shoots a firework into the Defense Ministry during anti-war demonstrations in Rome, June 4, 2004. Pope John Paul (news - web sites) piled pressure on George W. Bush over Iraq (news - web sites) when they met while beyond the walls of the Vatican (news - web sites) City more rowdy anti-war protesters attempted to disrupt the U.S. president's visit to Rome. (Dylan Martinez/*******)
Story (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/04/world/bush_italy040604)

usa320
06-04-2004, 05:31 PM
Id shoot him. Even up close that appears to be an RPG round. From 200m away you wouldnt be able to tell what it is. And i would kill him.

Brozozo
06-04-2004, 06:05 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

BlackRain
06-04-2004, 06:19 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

Brozozo
06-04-2004, 06:28 PM
If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

Only if...

All we need now is Germans greeting the US with swastikas at the D-Day celebrations...

cut
06-04-2004, 06:32 PM
Id shoot him. Even up close that appears to be an RPG round. From 200m away you wouldnt be able to tell what it is. And i would kill him.

it's not a bloody war zone. And Italy would do something like China did 15 years ago in tienamen square.

cut
06-04-2004, 06:34 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

I'm sure communists, greens and anarchists have always been thoroughly against the Nazis.

Tygryssek
06-04-2004, 06:39 PM
There is a reason why protestors are put into these "free speech zones." I wouldnt be surprised to hear that Secret Service snipers take out a protestor pointing one of these on the presidential motorcade...

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/bush_pope_cp_5908939.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040604/mdf586572.jpg

A hooded protester shoots a firework into the Defense Ministry during anti-war demonstrations in Rome, June 4, 2004. Pope John Paul (news - web sites) piled pressure on George W. Bush over Iraq (news - web sites) when they met while beyond the walls of the Vatican (news - web sites) City more rowdy anti-war protesters attempted to disrupt the U.S. president's visit to Rome. (Dylan Martinez/*******)
Story (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/04/world/bush_italy040604)

Fcaking "peace warriors" who terrorize others. Wher they were when Army killed 1000 ppl on TienanMen square, wher they were when Hussain gassed women and children, when they were hippies, antiglobalists "GOVNOYEDS"*

*I heard that Russian Intelligence Experts (KGB, GRU) called Western hippies 'Govnoyedi' - men who eats ****. The chiefs of peace activists were used by dictator's agents, and the western demonstration's chiefs used young people to mess on the streets.

Regards.

n4292936
06-04-2004, 06:50 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

I think its a bit unfair to asume that the protesters were all Communists, Greens or Anarchists. The overwhelming majority of people in Australia, for example, who protested the war were politically middle of the road people with a dispassion for war. I would suspect that in the EU the anethema towards Bush's policies is from a wide a political base as it is in Aus. The protesters who turn violent on the other hand.... live by the sword....

Seraphim
06-04-2004, 06:53 PM
Remember that one protestor who got killed when he threw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle with the delegate in it.

cut
06-04-2004, 07:02 PM
There is a reason why protestors are put into these "free speech zones." I wouldnt be surprised to hear that Secret Service snipers take out a protestor pointing one of these on the presidential motorcade...

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/bush_pope_cp_5908939.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040604/mdf586572.jpg

A hooded protester shoots a firework into the Defense Ministry during anti-war demonstrations in Rome, June 4, 2004. Pope John Paul (news - web sites) piled pressure on George W. Bush over Iraq (news - web sites) when they met while beyond the walls of the Vatican (news - web sites) City more rowdy anti-war protesters attempted to disrupt the U.S. president's visit to Rome. (Dylan Martinez/*******)
Story (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/04/world/bush_italy040604)

Fcaking "peace warriors" who terrorize others. Wher they were when Army killed 1000 ppl on TienanMen square, wher they were when Hussain gassed women and children, when they were hippies, antiglobalists "GOVNOYEDS"*

*I heard that Russian Intelligence Experts (KGB, GRU) called Western hippies 'Govnoyedi' - men who eats ****. The chiefs of peace activists were used by dictator's agents, and the western demonstration's chiefs used young people to mess on the streets.

Regards.

don't use the word "terrorise" lightly, I'm sure people who are victims of terror such as israelis or the people affected by 9/11, 11/3, IRA bombings etc...

Kilgor
06-04-2004, 07:37 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

Of course.

A significant amount of anti war protests always involve red style grounds, anarchists, greens, anti globalisationists and the usual rent a crowd.

So called socialist (red) groups are usually the worst. Che red flag waving idiots, who belong in one of the heros gulags.

Kilgor
06-04-2004, 07:39 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

I'm sure communists, greens and anarchists have always been thoroughly against the Nazis.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Its amazing the strange bedfellows that partner up. Such as the far left and right's hatred of jews and israel

cut
06-04-2004, 08:02 PM
I like the swastika on the flag...who's side did the Italians start WW2 on again?

What do you expect?

The protesters were Communists, Greens, and Anarchists.

If they had any intelligence they would have realized the irony.

I'm sure communists, greens and anarchists have always been thoroughly against the Nazis.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Its amazing the strange bedfellows that partner up. Such as the far left and right's hatred of jews and israel

Hitler hated the communist far more then the capitalists. Fascism and communism have always been far greater enemies to each other. The greens are not extreme there is no need to box them that way. and Anarchist are scum but still the irony about the flag is only partial. The meaning behind it could be very shallow but doesn't have to be. I would say you could be wrong to judge so quickly.

BlackRain
06-04-2004, 08:43 PM
I think its a bit unfair to asume that the protesters were all Communists, Greens or Anarchists.



Friday's demonstration was organised by the Communist and Greens, while the mainstream left-wing opposition who also oppose the visit, said they would not take part out of respect for the US soldiers who died in the liberation of Rome.

Despite anarchist threats to block roads, Bush's heavily protected motorcade was able to travel unimpeded across the city from the US ambassador's residence to the Vatican



Italian police have said they are mainly concerned about anarchist groups they believe may try to infiltrate anti-globalisation demonstrators who will take to the streets alongside the Greens and the Communist parties.