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Loki77
07-24-2008, 08:43 AM
FASCISM IS FASCISM
Which of two kinds of fascism do you think is more dangerous – one stemming from a culture’s or a people’s feeling of inferiority, or one stemming a culture’s or people’s feeling of superiority?

If a country possessing a fascism of inferiority got into a war with a country possessing a fascism of superiority, all else being equal, which do you think has a better chance of winning? Russians are xenophobic because they suffer deeply from a lack of cultural self-confidence and an inferiority complex toward the West. Han Chinese are xenophobic because they feel they are a culturally and racially superior form of humanity. Westerners, Japanese, Blacks, Tibetans, et al, are all sub-human compared to the Han.

There are ten times more Chinese than Russians. China’s dried-up and polluted land is becoming, as we discussed last September, the world’s largest desert. Russia has millions of square miles, abundantly watered and forested yet diaphanously populated, on the other side of China’s northern border.

IS RUSSIA DYING?
Both China and Russia are teetering on economic depression. The Russian economy floats on a sea of oil that is rapidly draining dry. The oil wealth is all skimmed off by Putin’s Mafiacracy and is not being reinvested. As the BBC notes in a program titled “Threat to the Future of Russia Oil,” it will take $1 trillion just to maintain current production, much less expand it. The Mafiacracy will put that money into its Swiss bank accounts. Thus production has already started to fall.

As the Wall Street Journal noted recently, Russia is dying—literally. Life expectancy is lower than that of Bangladesh. Millions of Russian men drink a gallon of vodka a week. Millions of Russian women are sterile after having had so many abortions. This is a culture with a death wish, one that does not want to survive. The conclusion that CIA Director Michael Hayden draws from Russia’s demographic collapse, given in a speech at Kansas State University in late April 2008, is that Russia will have to import millions of foreign workers. There’s only one place that can supply a sufficient number of such workers—China.

CHINA’S SCARY LUST FOR OIL
As we noted in past writings, Russia doesn’t stand a chance. Losing Siberia to China is inevitable. Even more so in that China will get not only Russia’s Siberian oil but also Russia’s slice of Arctic Ocean oil.

The question really is, will Russia surrender peacefully or put up a fight—perhaps even a nuclear fight? For some time I have believed it would be the former – China demographically inching its way into Siberia patiently (e.g., by Chinese men marrying Russian women), boiling the Russian frog for years until it’s too late. Now the odds may be shifting toward the latter.

ONLY RUSSIANS BELONG HERE
One reason is the rapidly escalating number of attacks and murders by Russian nationalist and “neo-Nazi” gangs upon non-Russians from former Soviet Republics. Since the beginning of this year (January-April), well over 200 such racial assaults have occurred, in which 53 people have been murdered. This is just in European Russia, leaving out Siberia. Information on such assaults is compiled and verified by the Sova Center, a human rights organization in Moscow.

It is only a matter of a short time when Russian nationalist gangs will begin attacking Chinese who have immigrated to such Siberian cities as Khabarovsk or Vladivostok. How do you say “opening Pandora’s Box” in Mandarin?

TIBET IS OURS, SAY THE HAN
The Han Chinese capacity for fascist nationalism has been on world display in its contempt for and angry dismissal of world outrage regarding China’s colonial oppression of Tibet. The vast majority of Han are convinced of their moral right to politically enslave Tibetans. After the “Free Tibet” Olympic torch protests in Paris, for example, anti-West/anti-France demonstrations broke out in dozens of Chinese cities.

When a Chinese student at Duke University was suspected of supporting Tibet, not only was she vilified as a “traitor” on thousands of Chinese websites, but her parents’ identity and address in the city of Qingdao were posted, resulting in numerous death threats and feces being thrown on their home.

BULLY CHINA AND DIE
Chinese nationalist radicals are even more dangerous than Russian nationalist radicals. They are also better armed. While the Chinese military is modernizing through the roof, the Russian military is rusting into the ground. Russia can pull off the bully act against its former vassal republic Georgia, unafraid of the Euro-wimps of NATO. But if Russia under Putin or his stooge Dmitri Medvedev or anyone else tries to bully China, it will be suicidal.

And yet that’s just what Russians seem determined to be. The only thing in doubt is the timing. It could come next year, it could come in ten. All it needs is a spark, a catalyst. When it is over, Russia will be a shrunken, defeated remnant of its former self, while China will emerge enormously strengthened, enriched, and enlarged.

The number of Chinese who want to achieve this and quickly is growing. War between Russia and China, with the outcome known in advance by everyone, may be upon us sooner than we want to think. Just hope we don’t get suckered into taking sides, no matter how much the Russians beg us to come to their rescue. It’s their funeral, not ours.

Then again, the destruction of Russia might provide an opportunity for the destruction of China. But that’s another story . . .


Source (http://www.sofmag.com/news/permalink1/2008/6/28/1523343355514.html)

Holycrusader
07-24-2008, 08:47 AM
They will go to war tomorow. Evryone know that...















Seriously, can somebody explain to Dr. Jack Wheeler how nuclear weapon works...

Blue_0
07-24-2008, 08:51 AM
Nukes, the best thing for world peace until MAD actually occurs.

Loki77
07-24-2008, 09:01 AM
Other than the deterence of Russias nukes there would not be much chance of stopping China from taking mineral rich Siberia.

Maybe that was the point of the missile tests by Russia in the past year - a reminder to China that it is still a country to be cautious of.

Blue_0
07-24-2008, 09:09 AM
Much was made of those missiles being the type to hit europe with. However, China is of similiar range, or am I incorrect?

filochard
07-24-2008, 09:12 AM
answer: soon or later. Rather later than soon but it's a certainty. That's why Russia should get closer to Europe and we should welcome them. That means that if we get close enough, there problems would be ours but that worth it imho.

Mousepad
07-24-2008, 09:35 AM
"Soldier of Fortune" yeah right :roll:

Thom
07-24-2008, 09:38 AM
Much was made of those missiles being the type to hit europe with. However, China is of similiar range, or am I incorrect?

Well I suppose it depends where the missiles were launched from inside the country, as both of them are very large. But as they share a border I don't think it would be that difficult for them.

Loki77
07-24-2008, 10:07 AM
answer: soon or later. Rather later than soon but it's a certainty. That's why Russia should get closer to Europe and we should welcome them. That means that if we get close enough, there problems would be ours but that worth it imho.


And Europe and Russia are better friends now then they were a few years ago.

damagejackal
07-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Oh no ...not this crap again:roll:. Can anyone give me a reason why China, which is currently flushed with cash an hundreds of billions invested in sovereign wealth funds would seek to invade a nuclear power like Russia?? when they could just purchase recources like any normal country.

Frutzel
07-24-2008, 10:27 AM
This article is BS!I can't believe I spent my time reading this diarrhea

Mousepad
07-24-2008, 10:32 AM
This article is BS!I can't believe I spent my time reading this diarrhea


Well sadly i'm always spendin, in hope just for once find a really good reason for war, well always the same BS

WarDancer
07-24-2008, 10:59 AM
How about never? Does never work for you?

Chimera
07-24-2008, 11:02 AM
How about never? Does never work for you?

Never is soooo boring, you can't write BS articles with a "never" scenario.

Lokos
07-24-2008, 11:26 AM
When it is over, Russia will be a shrunken, defeated remnant of its former self, while China will emerge enormously strengthened, enriched, and enlarged.

There's blind optimism, and then there's this article.

L.

Mu-Meson
07-24-2008, 12:32 PM
Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. Except with current friendly relations between US and Russia, I don't see US rushing to help.

Xaito
07-24-2008, 01:02 PM
Other than the deterence of Russias nukes there would not be much chance of stopping China from taking mineral rich Siberia.

I think you forgot Russian armed forces...


Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon.
wow... what an awesome idea!
why not sell all of Russia to them?
and your second scenario is great too - but not as good as the Red Dawn scenario when Soviet Union and Cuba conquered big parts of the US...
I wonder why soviets never used that strategy... it worked in a movie it must work in real life!

NowPlaying
07-24-2008, 01:35 PM
war between china and Russia is western wet dream. But unfortunately for west russia is doing everything possible to maintain good relations with china. They are even ready to give up some of their teritory on Amur river just to please chicom.

pacifist
07-24-2008, 01:38 PM
Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. Except with current friendly relations between US and Russia, I don't see US rushing to help.

What a stupid idea.

You got to be joking.

pacifist
07-24-2008, 01:38 PM
war between china and Russia is western wet dream.

I don't believe that.

NowPlaying
07-24-2008, 01:46 PM
I don't believe that.

oh common, have you ever heard of "divide and rule"? That is main western strategy since the times of Roman empire.

Mousepad
07-24-2008, 02:05 PM
oh common, have you ever heard of "divide and rule"? That is main western strategy since the times of Roman empire.

Yep. China's miracle is dependant on Russian resourses, and Russia depends partly on China as alternative to West, buyer of those resources. So screwing
those relations is a way to put Russia in full dependance from The West, and turning China back to cheap outsoursing country. Oh in case of Russia/China war - "brake glass" and cut your throat, death of radiation sucks. In best case, you have Mad Max scenario. Sadly for dividers and rulers Russia and China know about this. And both countrys have controllable media, so no sh/t storms here, nothing to see move along.

Herrmannek
07-24-2008, 02:12 PM
I bet you probably never expected to hear that from me.. In such case I would cheer for Russia.

Sergei
07-24-2008, 03:01 PM
answer: soon or later. Rather later than soon but it's a certainty. That's why Russia should get closer to Europe and we should welcome them. That means that if we get close enough, there problems would be ours but that worth it imho.

Good point, only if Europe decides to ditch US and actually start having an independent foreign and military policy.
There is nothing wrong in cooperation with US only in US they understand "cooperation" as "you should follow my orders".

Sergei
07-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. Except with current friendly relations between US and Russia, I don't see US rushing to help.

DOTW nomination sealed.


Reading too much Clancy makes your brain explode.

Laworkerbee
07-24-2008, 03:05 PM
There is nothing wrong in cooperation with US only in US they understand "cooperation" as "you should follow my orders".

No, no, that is only how the US talks to the Ukraine, now get back in the kitchen and make me my God damned sandwich.

Zerazax
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
It's a nice dream scenario but it's not going to happen. Russia has ways to counter China's increasing power (by helping India, for example, with defense systems), but they've increasingly gotten closer in actual military cooperation. And all this talk of China invading Russia... they haven't invaded Taiwan yet, a target people see as being much larger of a priority for them, so why bother with Russia, a country with much more military capability?

Sergei
07-24-2008, 03:16 PM
No, no, that is only how the US talks to the Ukraine, now get back in the kitchen and make me my God damned sandwich.

Ukraine is game to you? ;)

ronnieraygun
07-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Ukraine is game to you? ;)

Awesome.

How 'bout some adminerator lock this crapper of a thread out of principle?
It brings back the days of those goofy what-if Upper Volta vs. Benin threads.

Ordie
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
Russia and China can't go to war because the rail gauage are different.

Laworkerbee
07-24-2008, 03:42 PM
Ukraine is game to you? ;)

Should I post it again? rofl I love that video.

Adux
07-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Russia and China can't go to war because the rail gauage are different.

Excellent point, one tiny nitpick, The chinese bought all their equipment including tanks, personel etc to Russia in Trains for a joint exercise.

Breakfast in Vegas
07-24-2008, 03:45 PM
Should I post it again? rofl I love that video.The Ukraine is weeeeaaakkk....

Sergei
07-24-2008, 03:46 PM
Should I post it again? rofl I love that video.

I guess once is enough, Loved that video too. Saved it in my favourites ;)


Do you have any more youtube videos mentioning Russian and China in it?

Laworkerbee
07-24-2008, 03:49 PM
I wish, when ever someone would mention Ukraine that Seinfeld episode came to mind, so glad someone (probably Ukrainian-American) uploaded it

Mousepad
07-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Do you have any more videos mentioning Russian and China in it?

I have some amateur **** :oops:

Xaito
07-24-2008, 05:20 PM
I have some amateur **** :oops:
even better - pm with link plz ;)

ronnieraygun
07-24-2008, 05:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/fzLtF_PxbYw

CHERK
07-24-2008, 05:28 PM
Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. Except with current friendly relations between US and Russia, I don't see US rushing to help.

This is really really dumb, even if it’s a joke.


China wouldn’t escalate a conflict, the do their thing quietly and have the results to show.

asch
07-24-2008, 06:39 PM
Russia should sell China Siberia. Something like an astronomical up front figure (I dunno, hows $1 Trillion sound?) with a royalty from any oil, gas, and gold production for 100 years or so. Sounds sensible to me. Alternative is a scenario like in Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. Except with current friendly relations between US and Russia, I don't see US rushing to help.

according to current strategical doctrine in case of war we can quickly "sell" Chinese a lot of nuclear blasts (free shipping).

sound sensible to me (and, apparently, to China too).

p.s. article is cool "ruskies is a culture lacking psychos, chniese is a cultural-nazi psychos", nice. i recommend ze author to take lobothomy and save the world from such pieces of sh... err, "wisdom".

eskachig
07-24-2008, 06:40 PM
That article is a troll of epic proportions. Fascism of inferiority lol

MZKT
07-24-2008, 06:42 PM
The article is a real candidate for the most BS price.

TR1
07-24-2008, 06:47 PM
What a moronic article, I have difficulty not laughing.

seathru
07-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Those poor boys from "soldiers of fortune" had to write articles like this to vent their frustration, because none dared to set a foot in Chinese territory.

BTW, I am still eagerly waiting for the "17 million naked Chinese men marching into Siberia" thread to pop up. The Chinese men have to be naked, of course, but not because they cannot wait for the Russian women. It's because... you guessed it: they know too well that it dose not matter if you are wearing anything or not when you are nuked!

Rynnäkkökivääri
07-24-2008, 07:13 PM
It looks like somebody reads too much Tom Clancy. China is still on Russia's military tit, it'd be military suicide for them to attack Russia. Unless they plan to not advance their military after one last huzzah.

Xaito
07-24-2008, 08:26 PM
"17 million naked Chinese men marching into Siberia" thread to pop up. The Chinese men have to be naked, of course, but not because they cannot wait for the Russian women. It's because... you guessed it: they know too well that it dose not matter if you are wearing anything or not when you are nuked!
oh... I guessed wrong then... I thought because they were hunting snails...

Henry's Fork
07-24-2008, 08:37 PM
China and Russia will go to war in 2230 after China becomes the worlds superpower in place of the US.


"Soldier of Fortune" yeah right :roll:

Whaaa dissin Soldier of Fiction?!?!?!?!? Whaaaa

To cut old Col Brown some slack, he called outcome of the Soviet-Afghan war at the start of it. p-)

They even had SOFmag "reporters" coff coff imbedded with Massouds Militia most of the war. Which actually gave the clearest picture of what was really going on over there at the time.

asch
07-24-2008, 08:49 PM
They even had SOFmag "reporters" coff coff imbedded with Massouds Militia most of the war. Which actually gave the clearest picture of what was really going on over there at the time.

well if they want, we can "embed" them reporters into ICBM in case of RF-China war. help them receive first-hand info about blasts, you know.
p-)

Henry's Fork
07-24-2008, 08:56 PM
well if they want, we can "embed" them reporters into ICBM in case of RF-China war. help them receive first-hand info about blasts, you know.
p-)

Lol, to be honest, i wonder how many of them SOFmag thrill seeker..er i mean journalists made it out of A-stan alive.

But please, take all of FOX and CNN, embed them arrse first on the ICMBS.

Kak
07-24-2008, 09:57 PM
What a completely stupid article. Even leaving out the fact that the conventional Russian military is more than capable of defending its territory against a Chinese invasion (Russia would have air and naval superiority in such a conflict as the majority of China's air and naval assets are generations behind Russia's), but the biggest factor is the fact that Russia has the capability to blanket China with thousands of mushroom clouds, which they certainly would do if faced with a large scale invasion.

Loki77
07-24-2008, 10:16 PM
China wouldn’t escalate a conflict, the do their thing quietly and have the results to show.

by mass immigration???

http://www.russiablog.org/2006/03/siberia_is_becoming_chinese.php

Afro-European
07-25-2008, 05:02 AM
China 'd invade Siberia if it first takes Taiwan. This "China will invade Russia" bullsh!t has been going on for years now.

matthew.manhorn
07-26-2008, 02:27 PM
an Chinese are xenophobic because they feel they are a culturally and racially superior form of humanity.

stopped reading there, the guy who wrote this article has no idea what he's talking about, Chinese are not xenophobic and like foreigners (compared to Japanese) being patriotic doesn't mean that you're a racist

deagle
07-26-2008, 07:33 PM
lol. why all this talk about war ? why not peace ??

Adux
07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Invade Russia and We will have world biggest glass bowl