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AOCBravo2004
07-24-2008, 05:36 PM
By PAUL ELIAS, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 24, 7:42 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO - The scene repeats itself daily on city streets: a driver gets stuck bumper to bumper, blocking an intersection and preventing another car from turning left.

But authorities say that was enough to cause Edwin Ramos to unload an AK-47 assault weapon on a man and his two sons, killing them.

The deaths immediately drew public outrage, which intensified when authorities revealed that Ramos, 21, is an illegal immigrant who managed to avoid deportation despite previous brushes with the law.

The case has put San Francisco's liberal politics to the test, setting off a debate over its sanctuary law that shields undocumented immigrants from deportation.

On Wednesday, Ramos pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder in the deaths of Anthony Bologna, 49, and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16. Bologna and his older son died in the intersection on June 22. His younger son succumbed to his injuries days later.

Shortly after that, police arrested Ramos, a native of El Salvador and reputed member of the Mara Salvatrucha gang, known as MS-13. Investigators believe he was the gunman, though two other men were seen in the car with him.

The heinousness of the deaths has put pressure on San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris to seek the death penalty against Ramos. Harris, who campaigned on an anti-death penalty platform and has never pursued capital punishment during her more than four years in office, has declined to say exactly how she intends to proceed.

"This case has been charged as a special circumstance case," making it eligible for the death penalty, spokeswoman Erica Derryck said. "No additional announcement has been made about this aspect of the charging."

Ramos' attorney, Robert Amparan, said his client was not the shooter. "They have the wrong person," he said.

Amparan declined to discuss details of the case, but he denied his client was involved in gang activity and said Ramos entered the country legally. Federal authorities contend Ramos is undocumented.

The victims' family learned that Ramos had been arrested at least three times before the shooting and evaded deportation, largely because of San Francisco's sanctuary status.

The policy, adopted in 1989 by the city's elected Board of Supervisors, bars local officials from cooperating with federal authorities in their efforts to deport illegal immigrants.

Officials in the juvenile offenders agency interpreted the law to also shield underage felons from deportation by refusing to report undocumented ones. Mayor Gavin Newsom said he rescinded the policy regarding juvenile offenders after learning about it in May.

The Bolognas' relatives say Ramos apparently benefited from the policy when he reportedly was convicted twice of felonies in 2003 and 2004 but never was turned over for deportation.

"All San Francisco's sanctuary ordinance has done is bring violence and death to this once-great city," said Frank Kennedy, who is married to Anthony Bologna's sister.

Kennedy called for an investigation of the sanctuary policy and demanded "prosecutions for violating the law."

Meanwhile, local and federal authorities are pointing fingers at each other over Ramos' most recent arrest before the shooting.

Ramos was arrested in late March with another man after police discovered a gun used in a double homicide in the car Ramos was driving.

The district attorney's office decided not to file charges against Ramos, and he was released April 2 even though he was in the process of being deported after his application for legal residence was denied, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

San Francisco Sheriff's Department spokesman Eileen Hirst said jail officials faxed ICE on March 30 asking if Ramos should remain jailed. Ramos was freed after Hirst said immigration officials didn't respond.

ICE spokesman Timothy Counts said his agency did not receive word of Ramos' arrest in March. He said the only communication received about Ramos was an "electronic message" from the sheriff's department three hours after his release.

The case has garnered national attention, leading U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and an anti-immigration group called Californians for Population Stabilization to ask the U.S. Department of Justice to take over, alleging San Francisco authorities have mishandled it.

"Because San Francisco's political leaders have already demonstrated their willingness to act in flagrant violation of federal law, I do not believe that local judicial institutions can be trusted to fairly try the case or mete out an appropriate punishment," Tancredo said in a letter sent Tuesday to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey.

Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said he was unaware of the case and the congressman's request. Miller said the attorney general routinely responds privately to such requests.

Diana Hull, president of Californians for Population Stabilization, called on about a dozen cities nationwide with similar sanctuary policies to end those programs.

"We need to remember always that a death-dealing policy like `sanctuary' hides behind the false mantle of compassion," Hull said.

Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for San Francisco's mayor, said city officials were wrong to shield undocumented, juvenile felons from federal immigration authorities.

"The sanctuary program was never intended to shield felons," Ballard said. "The policy was inappropriate."

However, Newsom "still supports the worthwhile aims of denying the federal government" assistance in deporting otherwise law-abiding undocumented residents, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080724/ap_on_re_us/road_rage_killing

Very tragic, hope the sumbitch burns. The end is such an oxymoron.

Bootneck
07-24-2008, 06:12 PM
And Gavin Newsom hopes to be Governor of California. Please...

Henry's Fork
07-24-2008, 07:30 PM
And Gavin Newsom hopes to be Governor of California. Please...

With the amounts of bleeding hearts and "people with eccentric ****** tastes" who have been flooding into Kalifornia in the past 20 years.....Rock Star Gavin has a good chance.

philbob
07-24-2008, 07:47 PM
i hate gavin more and more each day....that bastard will burn in hell

cant wait till Lou Dobbs get a hold of this

Hollis
07-24-2008, 07:55 PM
Look like some one will own San Francisco. I bet there is a tort action against the city and it's sanctuary program.

Calanen
07-24-2008, 08:06 PM
Look like some one will own San Francisco. I bet there is a tort action against the city and it's sanctuary program.

Good idea Hollis. Ever considered a career as an attorney?

brainplay
07-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Hoping the mayor here in Houston is paying attention. We have a similar sanctuary rule here as well. :bash:

gaijinsamurai
07-24-2008, 08:42 PM
In Portland, Oregon, we are going to eventually have to face the consequences of our so-called "sanctuary" policies as well.

jasonblaster
07-24-2008, 08:42 PM
Many many things are f**ked up about this city policy towards illegals. First, why does an illegal immigrant who commits a felony as a juvenile get protected by the city supervisors when a citizen juvenile who commits a felony is righfully punished? Also, since in the near future, the poor woman who lost her family will be taking possesion of a large portion of the cities funds, why is it fair that the citizen tax payers have to foot the bill, especially while having to deal with a city overrun with illegals, and their criminal activities because of an idiotic and illegal policy the city supervisors operate under. I just really can't fathom a city taking a position such as this, not only to shield illegal immigrants, which is one thing, but also to shield illegal immigrants who come to their city and commit crimes. As a US Citizen, they would have never given me the same quarter they've given untold numbers of illegal immigrants, under some twisted philosophy of compassion, or some other such bullsh*t. I hope she sues, and I hope the 150 million dollar payout wakes these idiots up. I also hope that the federal government cuts off all funds to the city of SF until they comply with federal guidelines on the immigration issue. Actually, I hope the feds threaten to cut off all funds to the entire state until the governator brings his cities into compliance.

LaoSexMachine
07-24-2008, 08:48 PM
Hoping the mayor here in Houston is paying attention. We have a similar sanctuary rule here as well. :bash:


Will not happen because you will be called a 'racist'.

deadtired
07-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Will not happen because you will be called a 'racist'.
This is Texas. Who gives a damn what we get called?


At least we can shoot back.

gaijinsamurai
07-24-2008, 11:06 PM
Will not happen because you will be called a 'racist'.

"Certain segments" of our community love to play that card. i myself was called that for alerting INS to the fact that a few repeat felons were in the local jail, and eligible for deportation.

Zoomie
07-24-2008, 11:18 PM
"Certain segments" of our community love to play that card. i myself was called that for alerting INS to the fact that a few repeat felons were in the local jail, and eligible for deportation.

Just out of curiosity, by whom?

iLikeFlickerstick
07-24-2008, 11:23 PM
This is Texas. Who gives a damn what we get called?


At least we can shoot back.

Bingo! p-)

I'm from the Bay Area, I love it, beautiful place, great people, but let me say something...Californians are becoming such BI*CHES. They make way too many laws that protect people from themselves. Cannot Smoke, Cannot TALK on a CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING, GUN LAWS, ETC ETC ETC.

My cousins who grew up in Texas are much safer and more disciplined when using a firearm. Unlike some of my idiot friends in Cali. California stupidity is really reflected in the kinds of Laws they enact.

philbob
07-25-2008, 12:06 AM
many many things are f**ked up about this city policy towards illegals. First, why does an illegal immigrant who commits a felony as a juvenile get protected by the city supervisors when a citizen juvenile who commits a felony is righfully punished? Also, since in the near future, the poor woman who lost her family will be taking possesion of a large portion of the cities funds, why is it fair that the citizen tax payers have to foot the bill, especially while having to deal with a city overrun with illegals, and their criminal activities because of an idiotic and illegal policy the city supervisors operate under. I just really can't fathom a city taking a position such as this, not only to shield illegal immigrants, which is one thing, but also to shield illegal immigrants who come to their city and commit crimes. As a us citizen, they would have never given me the same quarter they've given untold numbers of illegal immigrants, under some twisted philosophy of compassion, or some other such bullsh*t. I hope she sues, and i hope the 150 million dollar payout wakes these idiots up. I also hope that the federal government cuts off all funds to the city of sf until they comply with federal guidelines on the immigration issue. Actually, i hope the feds threaten to cut off all funds to the entire state until the governator brings his cities into compliance.


so say we all

Parx400
07-25-2008, 09:54 AM
Bingo! p-)

I'm from the Bay Area, I love it, beautiful place, great people, but let me say something...Californians are becoming such BI*CHES. They make way too many laws that protect people from themselves. Cannot Smoke, Cannot TALK on a CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING, GUN LAWS, ETC ETC ETC.

My cousins who grew up in Texas are much safer and more disciplined when using a firearm. Unlike some of my idiot friends in Cali. California stupidity is really reflected in the kinds of Laws they enact.


Welcome to the Nanny state.

Zoomie
07-25-2008, 09:58 AM
Bingo! p-)

I'm from the Bay Area, I love it, beautiful place, great people, but let me say something...Californians are becoming such BI*CHES. They make way too many laws that protect people from themselves. Cannot Smoke, Cannot TALK on a CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING, GUN LAWS, ETC ETC ETC.

My cousins who grew up in Texas are much safer and more disciplined when using a firearm. Unlike some of my idiot friends in Cali. California stupidity is really reflected in the kinds of Laws they enact.
I guess we should repeal all of those DUI laws too? :roll:
It's been demonstrated that using a cell phone while driving is just as dangerous as being intoxicated, and if that means one less death and fatality, I'm all for it.

gaijinsamurai
07-25-2008, 10:32 AM
Just out of curiosity, by whom?

Immigrants from Mexico.

gaijinsamurai
07-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Bingo! p-)

I'm from the Bay Area, I love it, beautiful place, great people, but let me say something...Californians are becoming such BI*CHES. They make way too many laws that protect people from themselves. Cannot Smoke, Cannot TALK on a CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING, GUN LAWS, ETC ETC ETC.

My cousins who grew up in Texas are much safer and more disciplined when using a firearm. Unlike some of my idiot friends in Cali. California stupidity is really reflected in the kinds of Laws they enact.

With the exception of the cell phone law, I agree with you.

Mastermind
07-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Hahaha...People always get the government they deserve. In my book...serves 'em right.

That means:

"Why should the people have to pay for the idiotic actions of their Elected Officials?" Really...you need an answer to that question? If you think about it long enough, the answer will come to you.

gaijinsamurai
07-25-2008, 06:46 PM
Well said, Mastermind.