Yushchenko says he was poisoned by his best friend and people in Moscow

[Afro-European]

KIEV: President Viktor Yushchenko of Ukraine said Thursday that he believed that a former friend had been involved in his near-fatal poisoning four years ago.
At a news conference, Yushchenko openly placed his suspicions on the former friend, David Zhvania, a member of a pro-presidential parliamentary faction who is the godfather of one of Yushchenko's children. It was a sharp departure from the past, when he refused to identify who he thought was responsible for the poisoning.
Yushchenko fell gravely ill after attending a dinner with Zhvania and two top security officials. Doctors later diagnosed his illness as severe dioxin poisoning, which disfigured him.
Yushchenko has consistently said that he knew who was responsible for the poisoning but that did not want to identify him while the investigation continued.
But Zhvania recently angered Yushchenko by claiming that the president had simply suffered four years ago from food poisoning and that his staff had invented a politically motivated attack to give a lift to his popularity during a close presidential campaign in 2004.
Asked Thursday at the news conference whether he thought Zhvania had taken part in the poisoning, Yushchenko answered: "I think yes, to put it mildly."
He gave no evidence for his claim.
Zhvania responded Thursday that the poisoning of Yushchenko had yet to be proved. He dismissed Yushchenko's statement as "absolutely ill-considered and irresponsible" and said it showed his disregard for the rule of law.
"Such actions of V. Yushchenko don't disgrace him personally as much as they humiliate Ukraine in front of the international community," Zhvania said in a statement.
Prosecutors said Wednesday that they had failed to identify suspects in the case. But after being questioned by prosecutors earlier this week, Yushchenko hinted that the investigation would produce some "very unpleasant" surprises.
The president has accused Moscow of stalling the investigation by refusing to extradite key figures in the case and to provide Russian-made dioxin for testing.
Many in Ukraine point the finger at the Kremlin because Yushchenko was running against a candidate who had the backing of Moscow and because Russia is one of the few countries that produces the dioxin of the formula found in Yushchenko's body.
Yushchenko became president after a wave of mass protests in 2004, after which he and Zhvania began to disagree. Their dispute has led Yushchenko's office to seek to strip Zhvania, an ethnic Georgian, of his Ukrainian citizenship. Zhvania's party said in a statement Thursday that the action was illegal and that he would bring the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/24/europe/kiev.php

[Sergei]

At this point whoever believes in "poisoning" is a complete moron.

The guy has been lying his arse off for the last 4 years - it is getting old and tiresome - first it was KGB, then russian mafia, then Putin himself, then Yanukovich or other rival party, then Tymoshenko, his girlfriend-in-arms who is after his throat.
Now this.



Watch the news in August, the medical stuff in the austrian clinics will reveal the truth about it. The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.

[themacedonian]

At this point whoever believes in "poisoning" is a complete moron.

The guy has been lying his arse off for the last 4 years - it is getting old and tiresome - first it was KGB, then russian mafia, then Putin himself, then Yanukovich or other rival party, then Tymoshenko, his girlfriend-in-arms who is after his throat.
Now this.



Watch the news in August, the medical stuff in the austrian clinics will reveal the truth about it. The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.

the only poisoning done is in the russian-ukrainian relations. I think he succeeded in that.

[Afro-European]

the only poisoning done is in the russian-ukrainian relations. I think he succeeded in that.
Exactly.I wonder what he waited 4 long years before he revealed the name of the guy who allegedly poisoned him. Oh wait,the elections are coming.

[Afro-European]

The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.
Lmao Sergei.I will try it and see if my face will look deformed like his.

[Snoshi]

Yeah.. All exprerts are wrong.. Its all work of botox!!

[Sergei]

Lmao Sergei.I will try it and see if my face will look deformed like his.

not unless you also have pancreatitis.
Only the face is damanged, the whole "dioxine poisoning" bs is quickly flowing out of the window.

[Templar@Large]

Yeah.. All exprerts are wrong.. Its all work of botox!!

That evil,evil Botox LoL !!!!!!rofl

[Kaapeli]

At this point whoever believes in "poisoning" is a complete moron.

The guy has been lying his arse off for the last 4 years - it is getting old and tiresome - first it was KGB, then russian mafia, then Putin himself, then Yanukovich or other rival party, then Tymoshenko, his girlfriend-in-arms who is after his throat.
Now this.



Watch the news in August, the medical stuff in the austrian clinics will reveal the truth about it. The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.

Are you serious? Have you seen his face?
I've seen the worst lowlife alcoholics and cosmetic surgery freaks and none of them has ever looked like that. His face is like it's been hit by a thousand tiny meteorites.
Neither botox nor alcohol does that to a persons face.
I don't know who or what did that to him or if he had some strange skin disease but it certainly wasn't alcohol or failed surgery.

[Lee]

Oh wait! Would a best friend poison him? No, he thought he was a best friend. Time he chooses better friends.

[TheArmenian]

With friends like that, who needs enemies...

[MZKT]

Are you serious? Have you seen his face?
I've seen the worst lowlife alcoholics and cosmetic surgery freaks and none of them has ever looked like that. His face is like it's been hit by a thousand tiny meteorites.
Neither botox nor alcohol does that to a persons face.
I don't know who or what did that to him or if he had some strange skin disease but it certainly wasn't alcohol or failed surgery.

Then how to explain it only affected his face? Compare to his hands:
http://www.ej.ru/upload/entry/6593/1.jpg


Poisoning or skin disease can't be such strictly limited on special body parts.

[Excalibur]

Interesting. The former Georgian PM's name also was Zhvania and he himself also been victim of poison. I wonder if David Zhvania (ethnic georgian) has any connection to georgian regime.

[Kaapeli]

Then how to explain it only affected his face? Compare to his hands:
http://www.ej.ru/upload/entry/6593/1.jpg


Poisoning or skin disease can't be such strictly limited on special body parts.

"Exposure to high levels of dioxins in humans causes a severe form of persistent acne, known as chloracne [19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_dibenzodioxins#Health_effects_in_humans

As a person who has had a relatively severe acne I can vouch for that it mostly affects the face and back. My hands or my feed have never had any problems with acne even though I have visible scars on my face and back...

So yes, a skin disease or a poisoning can and will severy affect certain parts of a persons body and leave others relatively intact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloracne

I'm certain most of you have had atleast mild acne also. So did you have it on your hands?

[btdown]

["Exposure to high levels of dioxins in humans causes a severe form of persistent acne, known as chloracne [19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychl...ects_in_humans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_dibenzodioxins#Health_effects_in_humans)

People really shouldn't quote Wikipedia as a credible source of information for anything. Quoting wikipedia in an argument/discussion is just like saying I saw it on the bathroom wall, so it must be true.

[Afro-European]

People really shouldn't quote Wikipedia as a credible source of information for anything. Quoting wikipedia in an argument/discussion is just like saying I saw it on the bathroom wall, so it must be true.
Well better wiki than NO source at all.If you have a credible source care to post.

[Snoshi]

My father is a doctor and my mother is a cosmetologist.. And both of them said that this "rash" that he got on hes face cannot be result of botox..

[Kilgor]

Watch the news in August, the medical stuff in the austrian clinics will reveal the truth about it. The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.

In that case we'd see this all over hollywood.

[wildcat]

cosmetologist
is that a person that does makeup etc? what kind of DR is you father?

[Afro-European]

is that a person that does makeup etc? ?
I think he meant dermatologist.

[muck]

not unless you also have pancreatitis.
Only the face is damanged, the whole "dioxine poisoning" bs is quickly flowing out of the window.
That he was poisened with dioxine in a possibly lethal dose was proven by scientists of the University of Vienna, one of the best reputated in medical things in entire Europe.

I see that it has become a popular sport in Eastern Europe to just deny uncomfortable facts, especially for the children of "Mother Russia".

[Snoshi]

This past weekend, doctors in Vienna confirmed that Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko has been suffering from dioxin poisoning. Since September, Yushchenko has had ulcers in his stomach and intestines, problems with his liver and spleen, and disfiguring facial cysts that have left him looking far older than he is. What is dioxin, anyway, and why does it have such wild effects?

The term dioxin actually refers to a family of more than 70 isomers of highly toxic, man-made organic compounds—dioxins—that are byproducts of some industrial processes and waste incineration. Dioxins are fat-soluble, so they tend to accumulate in the tissues of the animals who encounter them, and it can take many years for the compounds to break down. Any person living in an industrialized country has dioxins in his or her body—we ingest them when we eat animal fats or animal-fat byproducts.

It's unclear how harmful these low doses could be. Some animals begin to show symptoms of poisoning when they're given doses only two or three times the level of dioxins in the average person's body. Research has shown that dioxins increase the risk of certain kinds of cancer but lower the risk of others.

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At higher concentrations, though, there is no doubt about its severity: Dioxin poisoning can cause organ disease, an increased risk of cancer and heart attacks, a suppressed immune system, hormonal imbalances, diabetes, menstrual problems, increased hair growth, weight loss, and, most obviously, the facial cysts known as chloracne. No one really knows how dioxins create this rash of maladies. Chloracne, for example, seems to be the result of an excess growth in cell linings that leads to the production of more facial oils—i.e., a volcanic acne breakout—but scientists don't understand why dioxins have this effect on cells.

Yushchenko could have been poisoned with as little as a drop of relatively pure dioxin, which could have been synthesized in a lab. Because some isomers of dioxin can have half-lives longer than seven years, significant amounts of poison could remain in Yushchenko's system for the rest of his life, in effect continually poisoning him and leaving him permanently disfigured. But it is also possible that his symptoms could clear up within a year or two.

Another feature of the poison is that it takes a long time for the symptoms to show up—one reason Yushchenko's malady was not diagnosed earlier is that his chloracne took several weeks appear. The long onset time, however, means it is less likely that Yushchenko could have been poisoned only one night before he fell ill, when, as has been widely noted, he dined with the head of Ukraine's security service.

There are very few known cases of dioxin poisoning in history. In 1976, tens of thousands of people in Seveso, Italy, were exposed to several pounds of airborne dioxins after an industrial accident; many exhibited very severe symptoms similar to Yushchenko's. And 1997 in Vienna, five employees of a textile institute may have been intentionally poisoned with a particularly strong isomer of dioxin, which rendered two very ill but killed neither. The police were never able to figure out who or what was responsible.
http://www.slate.com/id/2110979/

[wildcat]

what kind of dioxin did he have there many kinds?

His face could of been caused by dioxin, which does cause blisters, and seeing dioxin, like many toxins are stored in the bodies fat, means that it could be disperse around the body.


the WHO on dioxin (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs225/en/index.html)
http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/

center for diease control (http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts104.html)

How can CDDs affect my health?

The most noted health effect in people exposed to large amounts of 2,3,7,8-TCDD is chloracne. Chloracne is a severe skin disease with acne-like lesions that occur mainly on the face and upper body. Other skin effects noted in people exposed to high doses of 2,3,7,8-TCDD include skin rashes, discoloration, and excessive body hair. Changes in blood and urine that may indicate liver damage also are seen in people. Exposure to high concentrations of CDDs may induce long-term alterations in glucose metabolism and subtle changes in hormonal levels.
center for diease control (http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts104.html)

So my question which dioxin

[PeterRJG]

People really shouldn't quote Wikipedia as a credible source of information for anything. Quoting wikipedia in an argument/discussion is just like saying I saw it on the bathroom wall, so it must be true.

Why? It's easy to slam Wikipedia 'cos a few articles get vandalised or get written with perceived bias, but the overwhelming majority of their articles are very factual. Go ahead and prove that they aren't, if you think you can.

The press doesn't like Wikipedia simply 'cos WP presents facts in a clearer and unspun manner. Nobody likes being usurped.

Yushchenko? Personal false flag operation - he probably arranged this "disfigurement" to gain sympathy from voters and paint the other side as villains.

[Abaddon]

Yushchenko? Personal false flag operation - he probably arranged this "disfigurement" to gain sympathy from voters and paint the other side as villains.

Would you disfigure yourself just to make Russia look bad? He'd have to have a huge pair of titanium balls if that were true.

[PeterRJG]

Would you disfigure yourself just to make Russia look bad? He'd have to have a huge pair of titanium balls if that were true.

Would I do it? No. Would someone who had the presidency of a country with everything that implies to gain do it? Especially in a govt. that has a track record of corrpution and graft. Would he do it then? Answer that.

[wildcat]

Would I do it? No. Would someone who had the presidency of a country with everything that implies to gain do it? Especially in a govt. that has a track record of corrpution and graft. Would he do it then? Answer that.
HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I just noticed you EMO title rofl.

Back on thread

I think you are stretching it with, the hole vote thing.

[Abaddon]

Would I do it? No. Would someone who had the presidency of a country with everything that implies to gain do it? Especially in a govt. that has a track record of corrpution and graft. Would he do it then? Answer that.

And Russia had nothing to gain by his death?

[wildcat]

And Russia had nothing to gain by his death?
he is not dead? is he?

[Abaddon]

he is not dead? is he?

That's the general intention of poisoning.

[wildcat]

That's the general intention of poisoning.
but he survived that.

[Abaddon]

but he survived that.

You're difficult to converse with.

Yes, he survived being poisoned, but the intention of the poisoning was, presumably, his death, from which Russia had much to gain.

Or it was a Zionist conspiracy. p-)

[wildcat]

You're difficult to converse with.

Yes, he survived being poisoned, but the intention of the poisoning was, presumably, his death, from which Russia had much to gain.

Or it was a Zionist conspiracy. p-)

I believe the story about the Dioxin, and the type used TCCD which would leave his face that way.

[PeterRJG]

HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I just noticed you EMO title rofl.


Dichotomies are beautiful.



Back on thread

I think you are stretching it with, the hole vote thing.

Dunno about that. Wasn't there a Taiwanese presidential candidate that survived an assassination, and won by a narrow margin? Pretty sure his opponent accused him of setting it up to gain sympathy with the electorate. Far-fetched? Sure, at prima facie, but who knows?

[perdurabo]

You're difficult to converse with.

Yes, he survived being poisoned, but the intention of the poisoning was, presumably, his death, from which Russia had much to gain.

Or it was a Zionist conspiracy. p-)
think about box in a box, he could mildly poison himselfe, nothing works soo good for controling masses like "look those bastards tried poisoning me, dont let them go to power"... when i first saw this in news i was like "poor guy" "damn russians they should all die" but now i realy don't know was it true poisoning or maybe pr stunt? I remeber their cry about specnaz train in kiev witch ocured a hoax...

[Snoshi]

think about box in a box, he could mildly poison himselfe, nothing works soo good for controling masses like "look those bastards tried poisoning me, dont let them go to power"... when i first saw this in news i was like "poor guy" "damn russians they should all die" but now i realy don't know was it true poisoning or maybe pr stunt? I remeber their cry about specnaz train in kiev witch ocured a hoax...

Only a moron would disfigure hes own face.. A total moron.

[PeterRJG]

Only a moron would disfigure hes own face.. A total moron.

Most of my Ukrainian mates will tell you he is a moron.

[Sergei]

Are you serious? Have you seen his face?
I've seen the worst lowlife alcoholics and cosmetic surgery freaks and none of them has ever looked like that. His face is like it's been hit by a thousand tiny meteorites.
Neither botox nor alcohol does that to a persons face.
I don't know who or what did that to him or if he had some strange skin disease but it certainly wasn't alcohol or failed surgery.

Is the fact that he is treated in an austrian clinics which specialises in cosmetology and has nothing to do with treating poisonings and other similar cases doesn't alarm you?
It does me. The whole "poisoning" is just a big bluff.

It's his american wife influence - it looks like a new fetish in US to improve your appearance with cosmetological surgeries - bigger ****s, bigger *****, muscle tissue, botox injections. Yushenko used to look handsome enough.

[perdurabo]

Only a moron would disfigure hes own face.. A total moron.
tell that to those peaple:
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gifhttp://bp0.blogger.com/_FwVuPdMPByI/Rk65xxA5qFI/AAAAAAAADRo/JriN3Bu2r6E/s320/silver+teeth.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_FwVuPdMPByI/Rk645BA5p5I/AAAAAAAADQI/-i9bJcKNW_g/s320/colour+face.jpg
http://www.xenophilia.com/news/catman.gif

if they did this to gain popularity, "express themselves" etc stupidity i can imagine somone making similiar move to gain power, rule a country. Ppl did mutch more horible things to gain power, mass killings, thiefts, lies etc...

[Sergei]

Only a moron would disfigure hes own face.. A total moron.

He is a total moron - after 4 years of poisoning declaring that the godfather of one of his children has poisoned him. I mean what kept him 4 years to tell the truth? Political considerations? His is lying his arse off and doesn't know when to stop.



I say the guys who created the "Yushenko posoining" and "Litvinenko poisoning" are not very imaginate - are two links of the same chain which leads.......you guessed it wrong, not to Kremlin. But it was a good PR tactic to create a villain out of Russia and its leadership.

[eskachig]

I don't believe Russians poisoned him simply because that was a terrible way to poison anybody. If they wanted to kill him he would be dead.

Now Litvinenko - that I do believe. Mostly because that's a really terrible way to die and sends a message.

[CPL Trevoga]

I don't believe Russians poisoned him simply because that was a terrible way to poison anybody. If they wanted to kill him he would be dead.

Now Litvinenko - that I do believe. Mostly because that's a really terrible way to die and sends a message.

You speculating, but lets speculate, since we have no facts.
I think it was set up by Berezowski, to make Putin look bad. Apparently there is whole lot of bad blood between them, since Berezowski though that Putin was his byatch, but Putin made his ran for his life.

If Russian FSB indeed killed Litvienko with Plutonium, that was a big blunder IMHO.

[Snoshi]

You speculating, but lets speculate, since we have no facts.
I think it was set up by Berezowski, to make Putin look bad. Apparently there is whole lot of bad blood between them, since Berezowski though that Putin was his byatch, but Putin made his ran for his life.

If Russian FSB indeed killed Litvienko with Plutonium, that was a big blunder IMHO.

And Scotland Yard is cooperating with Berezowski? Again Russian special service have a history of using poisons.. And it have failed several times.

[Havoc345]

Watch the news in August, the medical stuff in the austrian clinics will reveal the truth about it. The botox injections + huge consumption of vodka and cognac make a deadly combination.


Is the fact that he is treated in an austrian clinics which specialises in cosmetology and has nothing to do with treating poisonings and other similar cases doesn't alarm you?
It does me. The whole "poisoning" is just a big bluff.


Oh the contradiction :)

[Sergei]

http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0807/62/e662f518e5fb.jpg


I guess this thread is missing this - this is how it looks in the western media and how western journo's are pedalling this issue. ;)

[CG51]

You forgot neocons, your favorite word. Must be the neocons behind this.

[Mousepad]

And Scotland Yard is cooperating with Berezowski?

Why not? Berezovski as small as he is now, anyway a card in game with Russia, and GB have interest in Russia


Again Russian special service have a history of using poisons..

Every's country special cervice have a history of using poison, thats what makes them special


And it have failed several times.

Yep, just look at Fidel.

Russian special services failed, not in poisoning this rotten orange, but in understanding 1-t hand wat a fvcktard he is, and his potential to split Ukraine in half, and prevent his gang from rise to power, having a good political leverage at that time, and not some petty poisoning. If Mother Russia wanted him dead, he would be dead, look at Hattab - he was aware of Russia'z'wanna'killz'me and yet, he's out cold as Gay pride parade on VDV-Day.