1 in 3 Muslim students approve killing for Islam

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1 in 3 Muslim students approve killing for Islam
'Stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation'
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

If ignorance and poverty are responsible for the growth of extremist views in the Islamic world, someone needs ask Muslim students, privileged enough and bright enough to attend some of the United Kingdom's best universities, why one-in-three of them endorses killing in the name of Islam.

The report of this finding, based on a poll of 600 Muslim and 800 non-Muslim students at 12 universities in the UK, and conducted by YouGov (http://www.yougov.com/) on behalf of the Center for Social Cohesion (http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/), will be released tomorrow as "Islam on Campus."

Among its findings of Muslim beliefs:


40 per cent support introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims
One-third back the idea of a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on sharia law
40 per believe it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely
24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah
25 percent have little or no respect for homo******s.
53 per cent believe killing in the name of religion is never justified (compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims), while 32 per cent say it is
57 percent believe Muslim soldiers serving in the UK military should be able to refuse duty in Muslim countries
More than half favor an Islamic political party to support their views in parliament
One-third don't think or don't know if Islam is compatible with Western views of democracy

"Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values," Hannah Stuart, one of the report's authors, told the London Times. "These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities."
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[LaoSexMachine]

Well, keep that shyt in England.

[kosse]

Here's same in The Times since many propably have their reservations about WND as a source (me including) altough they seem to be spot on this time.

We are really ****ed in Europe. I wonder if I could flee to US or somewhere, I don't want to grow old here and see whole continent go back to middle ages. Even Russia starts to sound interesting if they move to secure the future of the country in time..I wonder if Russia Strong!11 crew has memberships open. :lol:




Third of Muslim students back killings

Radicalism and support for sharia is strong in British universities

Abul Taher

ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll.

The study also found that two in five Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic sharia codes into British law.

The YouGov poll for the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC) will raise concerns about the extent of campus radicalism. “Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values,” said Han-nah Stuart, one of the report’s authors. “These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities.”

The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

The researchers found that 55% of nonMuslim students thought Islam was incompatible with democracy. Nearly one in 10 had “little respect” for Muslims.

In addition to its poll of 1,400 Muslim and nonMuslim students, the centre visited more than 20 universities to interview students and listen to guest speakers. It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

The researchers highlighted Queen Mary college, part of London University, as a campus where radical views were widely held. Last December, a speaker named Abu Mujahid encouraged Muslim students to condemn gays because “Allah hates” homo******ity. In November, Azzam Tamimi, a British-based supporter of Hamas, described Israel as the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity”.

James Brandon, deputy director at CSC , said: “Our researchers found a ghettoised mentality among Muslim students at Queen Mary. Also, we found the segregation between Muslim men and women at events more visible at Queen Mary.”

A spokesman for Queen Mary said the university was aware the preachers had visited but did not know the contents of their speeches. “Clearly, we in no way associate ourselves with these views. However, also integral to the spirit of university life is free speech and debate and on occasion speakers will make statements that are deemed offensive.”

In the report, 40% of Muslim students said it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely. Homophobia was rife, with 25% saying they had little or no respect for gays. The figure was higher (32%) for male Muslim students. Among nonMuslims, the figure was only 4%.

The research found that a third of Muslim students supported the creation of a world-wide caliphate or Islamic state.

A number of terrorists have been radicalised at British universities. Kafeel Ahmed, who drove a flaming jeep into a building at Glasgow airport last year and died of his burns, is believed to have been radicalised while studying at Anglia Ruskin university, Cambridge.

Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain,” he said. “Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were wilfully misinterpreted.”

Some of the findings amplify previous research. A report by Policy Exchange last year found that 37% of all Muslims aged 16-24 would prefer to live under a sharia system.

Baroness Warwick, chief executive of Universities UK, said: “Violence, or the incitement to violence, has no place on a university campus.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

[The Dane]

Incredibel idioitic shyt.... :cantbeli:

Find some caves for them somewhere far far away.
And give them some chalk for writing on the walls.

[KET]

I always wonder why all this stuff happens in England and Europe but not here in the US. I guess we need to teach you guys how to assimilate them properly.

[CombatBoots]

No... can't put my thoughts into words without being labeled a racist.
I'm not surprised to say the least.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

I always wonder why all this stuff happens in England and Europe but not here in the US. I guess we need to teach you guys how to assimilate them properly.

They are a greater percentage of the population in Europe IIRC.

[Calanen]

I always wonder why all this stuff happens in England and Europe but not here in the US. I guess we need to teach you guys how to assimilate them properly.

Hold that thought until you have the same percentage of muslims as they do....

[matthew.manhorn]

Killing is different from murder, if they're killing in order to protect themselves, that's fine by me

[LaoSexMachine]

"killing in the Name Of"

[therifleman]

They're basically saying murder is okay as long as it's in the name of Islam.

[deagle]

then they should just kill themselves then.

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

We are really ****ed in Europe. I wonder if I could flee to US or somewhere, I don't want to grow old here and see whole continent go back to middle ages. Even Russia starts to sound interesting if they move to secure the future of the country in time..I wonder if Russia Strong!11 crew has memberships open. :lol:

Yes, flee here and then be worried about all of the illegal immigrants taking your job, if not your life. There's problems with immigrants (not all of them, but enough of them to make it a problem) everywhere.

What are you worried about, I thought the threat is always from the East. Then again, the Muslims are from east of Finland too rofl

[kosse]

Yes, flee here and then be worried about all of the illegal immigrants taking your job, if not your life. There's problems with immigrants (not all of them, but enough of them to make it a problem) everywhere.

Well, at least they are not dreaming of turning the country into a muslim caliphate...just looking for better life. I'd rather take my chances with people that have normal criminal tendencies than with someone whose ideology says that it's ok to kill me (kuffar).


What are you worried about, I thought the threat is always from the East. Then again, the Muslims are from east of Finland too roflThat's just to appease the imagination of young men in the armed forces p-)

Nobody has will to sit in a foxhole in -30c unless they are made to believe even for a little while that "the Ruskie are coming!111, maybe". So, for internal consumption only :)

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

Well, at least they are not dreaming of turning the country into a muslim caliphate...just looking for better life. I'd rather take my chances with people that have normal criminal tendencies than with someone whose ideology says that it's ok to kill me (kuffar).
Well, if you go live in Minnesota with the rest of the Finnish immigrants over here (there's groups in Connecticut and Manhattan, but there's a whole piece of land in Minnesota with pretty much nothing but Finns) I don't think you'd have much of a problem. Although, if you're also looking to avoid the snow, NYC might be the better choice, if it keeps on snowing like it did last yearrofl



That's just to appease the imagination of young men in the armed forces p-)Psh, like you weren't one of them. (Or are you that old so old you outdate conscription?p-))


Nobody has will to sit in a foxhole in -30c unless they are made to believe even for a little while that "the Ruskie are coming!111, maybe". So, for internal consumption only :-)If I get a lady to "warm me up" I'd do it.p-)

[kosse]

Well, if you go live in Minnesota with the rest of the Finnish immigrants over here (there's groups in Connecticut and Manhattan, but there's a whole piece of land in Minnesota with pretty much nothing but Finns) I don't think you'd have much of a problem. Although, if you're also looking to avoid the snow, NYC might be the better choice, if it keeps on snowing like it did last yearrofl

I don't mind the cold. Cold and not so many people sounds actually pretty nice. Still don't know about Minnesota, all that fuss about being this and that (Finnfest) makes me feel very, very http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gifhttp://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gifhttp://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gif. If they feel so Finnish that they need to make a number out of it why won't they move over now that aging Finland needs her children http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gif



Psh, like you weren't one of them. (Or are you that old so old you outdate conscription?p-))I've been safely in reserves for quite some time so the worst indoctrination has worn off. It's still nice to poke stupid Soviet fanboys with a stick though p-)

[Ali Baba]

Ill tell you My Opinion Regarding these 8 or 9 Topics:

1. i Believe that sharia Law could be used if The whole country Allows it in a Vote. We have to remember the Generosity of the Host Country.
2.I Think Both Muslim men and Women could associate Freely as they want. its their Lives, i have no say in it.
3.Everyone is equal In Allah's (God's) Eyes. We are all his Creation.
4.I Have to Agree A bit, I Dont really care if they do what they do in their own time., but i do not respect them when they do it in Public or infront Of Children.
5. Killing in the Name of Religion?, Only if your Country is Under Siege. And Only attack Soldiers that Put your Life at Risk. But if its a Operation Supported By Your own Government, then No its not justified unless ur life was risked.
6.Me Bieng a Muslim, i have No problem when im with the Canadian Forces if they need me to Go to Afghanistan . This is my Country now. But if they Send me to Egypt on a Full scale war. I Will have to Dissagree. I Belive a Soldier Must Not be able to Fiight against a Country where we has Citizenship in. Becouse he will have Dual Honrabilitys.
7. Well Comon. Everyone would Vote for their Race opr Ethnicity In Politicle Partys. Its Not Surprising. Although it would be better if they would vote for what is More Acceptable in the Host Countrys View.
8.I Do know Islam is not Fully Compatible with Western World, Becouse They are Diffrent Teachings. But It Is somwhat Compatible, aslong as you dont Force your Opinions onto Others it dosent Matter.


Well Those are just my 2 Cents.

[kosse]

If I get a lady to "warm me up" I'd do it.p-)

Wat, do you mean a rifle? rofl

Trust me..after first weeks you'll be dragging it in the snow/dirt behind you from the sling and hating it p-)

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

I don't mind the cold. Cold and not so many people sounds actually pretty nice. Still don't know about Minnesota, all that fuss about being this and that (Finnfest) makes me feel very, very http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gifhttp://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gifhttp://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gif. If they feel so Finnish that they need to make a number out of it why won't they move over now that aging Finland needs her children http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/davidgv8.gif
Wait a minute, they can come over, but you tell me to serve in the US army rather than the FDF? Not cool man, not cool.





I've been safely in reserves for quite some time so the worst indoctrination has worn off. It's still nice to poke stupid Soviet fanboys with a stick anyway p-)You should meet my father. You'll have the most fun with him. He's not the one to defend Stalin (long story short Stalins "POWs=traitors" schitck got his parents over here), but otherwise he's like every other Russian fanboy.

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

Wat, do you mean a rifle? rofl
No I meant a geniune lady. I might have some pictures of what I had in mind, but I don't think it's a good idea to post them.


Trust me..after first weeks you'll be dragging it in the snow/dirt behind you from the sling and hating it p-)
I could never hate a Valmet. Hell, if I was in charge of things, Sako would still be making them.

[kosse]

Wait a minute, they can come over, but you tell me to serve in the US army rather than the FDF? Not cool man, not cool.



Well, I'm sorry about that. I was pushing you because I got bit angry at that "I'm a Finn and Estonians suck" theatre :petting:

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

Well, I'm sorry about that. I was pushing you because I got bit angry at that "I'm a Finn and Estonians suck" theatre :petting:
Well good, you motivated me to talk to my mom about stuff and she's teaching me Finnish again, so I don't have to ask for translations of stuff anymore (by the time I go anyway p-)) and I was stupid there, I'll admit.

[Heinemann]

Everyone is equal In Allah's (God's) Eyes.

Quran 4:34 - Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other,

Oops!


Me Bieng a Muslim, i have No problem when im with the Canadian Forces

Hmmm, thats a gray area. As a Muslim theres only two sides, Muslims and the kafirs when you join a army which is fighting against Muslims (even though you'd disagree that they are) in Afghanistan many Muslims would consider you a trader thus fair game.

[kosse]

No I meant a geniune lady. I might have some pictures of what I had in mind, but I don't think it's a good idea to post them.

Just don't take her to the states. We need to procreate faster than the topic of this topic p-)



Well good, you motivated me to talk to my mom about stuff and she's teaching me Finnish again, so I don't have to ask for translations of stuff anymore (by the time I go anyway p-)) and I was stupid there, I'll admit.

Have you watched "Kummeli" or "Ketonen & Myllyrinne"? Watch all the clips in Youtube and try to figure out the jokes - should be fun and useful for your language learning. p-)

Start with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LXfVF76es

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

Just don't take her to the states. We need to procreate faster than the topic of this topic p-)
The only reason I'd ever come back here is to rescue the toys (if you get what I mean) before my sisters (or even worse, my dad's relatives) get their hands on them.





Have you watched "Kummeli" or "Ketonen & Myllyrinne"? Watch all the clips in Youtube and try to figure out the jokes - should be fun and useful for your language learning. p-)

Start with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LXfVF76esActually, I learned a lot of the Finnish words I know from browsing the Finnish Army photos thread here and watching documentaries with Finnish subtitles, or English subtitles. I've also tried to find a good Talvisota download. But this should be good too p-)

[LaoSexMachine]

Yes, flee here and then be worried about all of the illegal immigrants taking your job, if not your life. There's problems with immigrants (not all of them, but enough of them to make it a problem) everywhere.

What are you worried about, I thought the threat is always from the East. Then again, the Muslims are from east of Finland too rofl

Shyt jobs is above many Americans.

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

Shyt jobs is above many Americans.
Define **** jobs. I've never seen a Mexican on a garbage truck, and that's pretty much the definition of a **** job.

I've seen some move above the average job you think they have. I went to a furniture store recently, and there were a couple of Hispanic people working there, with heavy accents, although to their credit I don't know if they were illegal. If they have the right credentials, they can get in most anywhere. They're advantage is that they're cheaper. For example, my dad's electrical union is competing with companies that employ almost definite illegal immigrants. Most of the people who look at them do so simply because they're cheaper, although some choose the union (IBEW) because they won't be a gamble, and there have been some jobs where the union went in to fix up the other company's mess, which ends up costing more money in the long run. There's still a good amount that take that gamble, and there's American unemployed at their expense.

[Qandil]

well I used to say that Islam is a big threat for modern world, now I say it is the biggest, bigger even than the Global warmming...

[LaoSexMachine]

I live in Houston and most of the garbage men or what's left of them are Hispanics. I'm a supervisor for a construction company and none of my laborers are white. They are Latinos(legal status I don't know I don't do the hiring). BTW Texas is not a 'union" labor state.

[kosse]

I think this thread has been now officially derailed.

http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/10608.gif

[kosse]

well I used to say that Islam is a big threat for modern world, now I say it is the biggest, bigger even than the Global warmming...

Well, you should know considering that you have a window seat in the Middle East and armed to teeth "Party of God" operating in your country independently of the government.

[loganinkosovo]

I'm surprised it isn't a higher figure than 1 in 3

Some people really need to wake up and smell the Jihad!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vg9bkCg8-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkhwRFN7oQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNtKSLZNJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DkYe3sSDfA

[Limeyfellow]

The study was put forward by the Center for Social Cohesion. What do you expect them to say? I heard from Stormfront that the Jews also want to murder all the good honest folks. About the same believability, but they state everything said as a complete utter fact. The whole point of the group is to point out the dangers and evils of Islam, playing up scaremongering over facts.

[Excalibur]

Actually i'm surprised that only 1 out of 3 justifies killing for islam. looks like most of muslim students feel some pressure created by muslim's negative image in western society and are trying to influence public opinion by telling the opposite to what they really think.

[Connaught Ranger]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080727/tuk-students-extremism-study-alarming-6323e80.html


Almost one in three Muslim students in the UK believe it justifiable to kill in the name of their religion, a poll has shown.

Most of those said such extreme action was acceptable to defend Islam from attack but a small number (4%) said it was OK to kill to promote it.


However a clear majority overall (55%) rejected the idea, in a survey carried out by internet pollsters YouGov for a study of campus extremism.


It gathered the opinions of 600 Muslim and 800 non-Muslim students at 12 high-profile universities with active Islamic Societies (Isoc).


The Centre for Social Cohesion, which commissioned the study, said it had revealed "broad and varied" opinions among Muslim students.


But co-author Hannah Stuart said the findings on extremist views - twice as high among Isoc members - were "deeply alarming".


"Students in higher education (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/education.html) are the future leaders of their communities yet significant numbers of them appear to hold beliefs which contravene liberal, democratic values," she said.


The poll found that most Muslim students (54%) would like to see the formation of an Islamic party to represent their views at Westminster.


Some 40% backed the incorporation of Sharia law into British law but Muslim students were fairly evenly split over whether controversial aspects such as punishment or stoning should be included - 32% deeming them sacred and inviolable and 34% agreeing Sharia could be modernised.


Only 12% said it was difficult to be equally British and Muslim because religion "comes first" with a massive majority, 78%, seeing no incompatibility.
Connaught Ranger:)

[digrar]

Merged.....

[Kaapeli]

If only they had asked in what circumstances the killing was justified.

Killing people who are attacking muslims for self defence?
Killing innocent people because they are infidels?

There's a big difference between these two but both can be interpreted as killing for a religion.
But I bet if the question had been "do you approve terrorism for Islam?" the numbers would have been quite different.

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

I live in Houston and most of the garbage men or what's left of them are Hispanics. I'm a supervisor for a construction company and none of my laborers are white. They are Latinos(legal status I don't know I don't do the hiring). BTW Texas is not a 'union" labor state.
Well I was describing the experience I personally know; there's lots of different experiences across the states. Also due to Texas' border with Mexico there's probably more illegals than up here in NY, so they'd be in more places.

[Blue_0]

Re-education camps anyone?

*Clearly anyone who is for murdering people in the name of Allah is clearly mentally unstable, and needs to confined from society for their own and societies safety while they are reabilited to function in society once again. This is the compassionate thing to do until they can be treated for and recover from their mental illness.

[Fiber]

In a survey of male college students, 51% reported they might rape a woman if assured they would not get caught.
Source: Koss, Mary P., and Mary R. Harvey. 1991. The Rape Victim: Clinical and Community Interventions. Sage Library of Social Research.

You get some really scary figures when you poke around in peoples brains.