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Calanen
07-29-2008, 08:06 AM
July 21, 2008
The Bin Ladens of the Balkans, Part I

Around a thousand mujahideen, veteran Arabic fighters from the anti-Soviet insurgency in Afghanistan, showed up in Bosnia in the mid-1990s to fight a jihad against Serbian Orthodox Christians. They thought they would be welcomed, and they were right. The European community imposed an arms embargo on all of Yugoslavia during the Bosnian civil war which preserved the imbalance of power and arms in favor of Slobodan Milosevic and his nationalist Bosnian Serb comrades in arms. The Bosnian army was multi-ethnic and multi-confessional – it included Serb and Croat Christians as well as Bosniak Muslims – but its leaders chose to accept help from the so-called "Afghan Arabs" because they were desperate.

The radical Arab mujahideen matured slightly between the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo, and they probed the anti-Milosevic guerilla movement known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) to see if they could lend a hand there, as well. Kosovo, though, isn’t Bosnia. 90 percent of the population is ethnically Albanian, and most of them are at least nominally Muslims, but the KLA wasn’t too keen on throwing open the doors to their country to violent Middle Eastern fanatics. "In the two years that I covered the conflict in Kosovo," journalist Stacy Sullivan wrote, "never once did I see the mujahideen fighters I saw in Bosnia, or hear KLA soldiers even allude to any kind of commitment to Islam. Most said they were offended by such allegations, bragged about how they were Catholic before the Ottomans came and converted them, and said their only religion was Albanianism."

Even so, the likes of Al Qaeda wanted to "help." Representatives of Osama bin Laden approached a Brooklyn man named Florin Krasniqi and said they wanted to send men into Kosovo to fight a jihad against Serbs.
Krasniqi is an Albanian-American roofer who ran what he called the Homeland Calling Fund to raise money for the KLA back home. He raised 30 million dollars from Albanian-Americans and sent cargo planes stocked full of weapons and uniforms from the United States to Northern Albania where the goods were then smuggled over the border into Kosovo. "We were approached by fundamentalist Muslims from every direction – Al Qaeda – but most of the leaders of the KLA just didn’t feel right about working with them," he said to Dutch filmmaker Klaartje Quirijns in the documentary film The Brooklyn Connection (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBrooklyn-Connection-Build-Guerilla-Army%2Fdp%2FB000AYEIYU%2Fref%3Dpd%5Fbbs%5Fsr%5F1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Ddvd%26qid%3D1216413483%26sr%3D8-1&tag=michajtottesm-20&index=blended&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)


The KLA may have refused entry into Kosovo to radical groups from the Middle East during the war, but that hasn’t stopped dubious characters from the Gulf states from showing up in Kosovo anyway since the war ended. Saudi-funded NGOs volunteered to help rebuild mosques destroyed by the Yugoslav Army and Serbian nationalist paramilitary forces, which is fine and good as far as it goes, but there’s a catch. The same individuals hope to transform Kosovo’s liberal Balkan Islam into the much sterner Wahhabi variety practiced in the harsh deserts of Saudi Arabia.

"We don't call them Wahhabis here," a prominent Albanian woman told me.

"We call them Binladensa, the people of Bin Laden." Believe me, in Kosovo that isn’t a compliment.

I’m accustomed to spending quality time in moderate Islamic environments. I lived in the most liberal and cosmopolitan Sunni neighborhood in Beirut next to the American University, and I’ve vacationed with my wife in famously moderate Muslim countries like Tunisia and Turkey. Kosovo surprised even me and forced me to redefine my very conception of what a moderate Muslim even is. Kosovo is so thoroughly modern and secularized that if it weren’t for the mosques on the skyline there would be no visible evidence that Kosovo is a Muslim-majority country at all. Kosovo looks no more religious than France.

At least 99.5 percent of Kosovo’s women dress like women elsewhere in Europe. I saw one or two women wearing hijabs, Islamic headscarves, per day at the most, even in villages. Some days I didn’t see any.



Young Albanian women in the small town of Vitina, Kosovo

Alcohol is widely available. You don’t have to find establishments that cater to tourists (there are no tourists in Kosovo) in order to get a drink like you do in false-moderate Muslim countries like Jordan. There are more bars per block in the capital city Prishtina than anywhere I have ever lived. Supposedly the dating scene in Kosovo is still fairly conservative, but the locals could have fooled me. Young women frequently dress in sexy outfits that show off their bodies. They dance, boozed-up, in clubs the way they do in Manhattan – only somehow, amazingly, with glasses of scotch balanced on top of their heads. Pork is on the menu. ****ography is sold on the streets, even outside the capital. What kind of Muslim country is this?

It’s European.



"I know there is more tolerance here because I can see it and I can feel it," I said. "But at the same time, there was a huge war."

"A huge war, yes," he said, "but it was not a religious war. In Bosnia we can say that Islam is the only element divides Bosnians from Serbs, because they speak the same language and have approximately the same culture. The faith was the one element that divided Serbs from Bosnians."
Serbs are by definition Slavs who belong to the Serbian Orthodox Church.

Bosniaks are Muslims – at least by family heritage, if not belief – who are otherwise ethnically identical to Serbs and Croatian Catholics. In Kosovo, it’s different. Kosovo is ethnically divided between Serbs and Albanians. Albanians are then religiously divided between Muslims and Catholics. Muslims are the overwhelming majority, but in Albania itself they only eke out a 70 percent majority, with the remaining third split unevenly between Catholics and Orthodox Christians.

"But here," Professor Hamiti continued, "we haven’t had anything to do with Serbs and the Slavic language and the Slavic culture. Our culture is different, our language is different and they hate us. They wanted us to leave Kosovo. Since 1800 they tried to force Albanians to go other places.

We have places in Serbia that have been inhabited by Albanians – I come from Serbia – many cities have been Albanian. They know that. They forced them to leave that part and come here and were converted to Islam in the 18th and 19th centuries. Since then the Serbs have taken the policy, a very bad policy, that since you have embraced Islam you are Turks, and you should go to Turkey. So for Albanians you can say this is a very important point. Never use religion to fight against Serbs. They didn’t, for example, say lets take guns and fight Serbs in the name of God.

Because they also know that they have Albanians who are Orthodox, and we have also Christians and Catholics."

Albanian culture is radically different from that of the rest of the former Yugoslavia. The wars in Bosnia and Croatia weren’t religious wars either, but they were fought more cleanly along religious lines. Hideous wars of ethnic cleansing were fought by South Slavic Catholics (Croats), Bosniaks (Muslims), and Serbs (Serbian Orthodox Christians) who were otherwise nearly identical culturally, linguistically, and even genetically.

Bosnians managed to hold together a multi-confessional alliance between Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats, and Muslim Bosniaks, but the Serbian nationalists and Croatian nationalists didn’t. Albanians, meanwhile, are similarly split between Catholics, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians, but fighting wars against each other over this kind of thing is unthinkable. It just does not happen.

Kosovo’s war, then, wasn’t religious. It was ethnic. Christians did not fight Muslims; Serbs fought Albanians. Serbian nationalists ethnically-cleansed Kosovo’s Catholics right along with the Muslims.

I saw several Serbian Orthodox churches that were damaged by vandals and arsonists. NATO’s Kosovo Force (KFOR) now has to protect some of the Serb holy sites in potentially volatile areas with barbed wire and even armed guards.

Tens of thousands of Serbs have abandoned Kosovo and moved to Serbia. It’s important to note,though, that there is no corresponding migration of Albanian Catholics.

The twin-headed eagle on the official Albanian flag and the unofficial Kosovo flag bears his seal to this day. Even the name Albania in the local language – Shqipëria, or Land of the Eagles – is thought to have been coined by the great Catholic warrior.




The names of villages in Kosovo are written in both the Albanian and Serbian languages, and all over the country I saw Serbian names blackened out with spray paint.

I understood already why the KLA told the mujahideen, the radical Arab Islamists, to stay out during the war, but I wanted to hear a local person explain it from his or her perspective.

"The KLA," I said. "Why did they say no to the mujahideen?"

"In Bosnia," he said, "the mujahideen called the war a holy war, and they wanted to call the war here a holy war. But it was not a holy war, it was a war against the Serbian regime and paramilitary forces. So to prevent this we told them No. You can’t have an attitude like that. You can send money to buy guns, but you cannot be with us in the war. That was a good idea. They destroy everything they touch."

We both said "Chechnya" at the same time.

"So people in Kosova," I said, "thought fighting the right kind of war was more important than winning? Or did you expect NATO to intervene so the mujahideen were not necessary? What was the exact thought process?"

"The KLA commanders needed to fight the mujahideen mentality," he said.

"The mujahideen would go through the KLA but create another team. There would be a team who fights in the name of God and a team who fights in the name of nationalism. So in order to prevent this kind of problem, they were told no from the beginning. If you want to help us with guns against the Serbian regime, you can help."

Helping the Kosovar Albanians against the Milosevic regime earned the United States a heck of a lot more friends in Kosovo than any offers of help from Islamists did. Nevertheless, Professor Hamiti is well aware that large majorities in many, if not most, Muslim countries remain anti-American. Huge numbers believe Americans are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan because they hate Muslims.

This belief, of course, requires a person to be completely oblivious to what happened in Kosovo.

"You know that's not true," I said. "We’re not against Muslims."

"I know," he said. "I saw it with my own eyes in the U.S. Religion is very free, everybody is free to do whatever he wants, to worship the god he wants. I saw it with my own eyes."

"What do you think about Iraq?" I said. "You and Kosovo in general?"

"The Muslims here are on the side of the Americans," he said. "They had to stop this kind of dictatorships in the Middle East. [Saddam Hussein] killed many innocent people, and he was going to continue his wars against his neighbors. That was a good step, to remove him from his position. But the pictures that we see on the TV are bad pictures, for us, and I think also for Americans. Who wants to see American soldiers die in Iraq? Or who wants to see innocent people, women, children, old people, die? I think there is going to be a solution. But they cannot leave, they cannot leave. Shias and Sunnis hate each other more than they hate Americans."

*
Professor Hamiti wasn’t the only person I talked to about the so-called Binladensa. Two prominent Kosovar Albanian women agreed to talk to me as long as I would not quote them by name. Both work in official and diplomatic circles. Nothing they said is particularly controversial, but their opinions don’t necessarily represent the institutions they work for. I'll refer to them here by the female Albanian names Fana and Lumnije, which are pseudonyms.

The three of us had coffee at an outdoor restaurant in a wooded part of the countryside near a small river.


"You should see how the general public receives these people," Lumnije said. "They certainly are not liked. I don’t think they will succeed."

"I see an occasional person who I can tell is from one of these mosques," I said, "but I don’t see very many."

"They are only in certain places," Fana said. "I don’t even see them around much. And now they have this new mosque in the city center and they are gathering there. They destroyed the old mosque and built a new one five years ago."

"Actually," Lumnije said, "the old mosque was damaged by an earthquake."
"Just damaged," Fana said.

"They could have restored it," Lumnije said. "It was an Ottoman mosque, very old."

"Did they knock it down?" I said.

"Yes, completely," Fana said. "The walls were one meter thick stone. All that was destroyed was the roof, and they could have renovated it."
I wanted to know what Albanians were doing to curtail the influences of these people so Kosovo really doesn't become what its critics fear it is turning into.

"It is a bit tricky, Michael," Lumnije said, "because in the Kosovo constitution all European standards are applicable. And if you look at it from the point of view of European conventions and human rights, they have a right to religion. Yesterday we had a case where a young girl was denied entrance to a school because she was covered. As human rights officers, it is a problem we have to deal with because she has a right to preserve her religion. That is her choice."

"We don’t have a law that says she can or can’t come to school," Fana said to Lumnije. "It is European law, but we have no law."
"Yes," Lumnije said, "but these are very tricky cases in Europe also. In France it was a big problem. I attended summer school in 2003 in England, in South Wales. We had one international night, and I was shocked to find that the representative of the USA was a covered lady, originally from Iraq. And the representative from Canada was another, originally from Afghanistan. The topic for the conference was Young people changing the world. It had nothing to do with religion, but they were representing the U.S. and Canada."

"That is surprising," I said, "but very American."

"And Lumnije, coming from a Muslim country, was wearing shorts!" Fana said.

All three of us laughed.

"They were arguing with me all the time," Lumnije said. "What kind of a Muslim woman are you?"

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Don't misunderstand what these women are saying. The Kosovars who refused to take a covered woman to Germany were not trying to deceive the Germans. Hardly any women in Kosovo dress like that. The number I saw was only a fraction of one percent. Sending a woman abroad to represent Kosovo while wearing a headscarf – that would be deceptive, or at least misleading. I went entire days in Kosovo without seeing a single woman wearing one of those things. It makes sense for Kosovo’s women to be represented abroad by someone who looks like them.

"Most people know nothing about your country," I said to Fana and Lumnije.

"The majority of us would not like to be perceived as a Muslim country in the real sense of the word," Lumnije said. "Because we are different. Even geographically we are European."

"We are not European," Fana said and laughed, "we are American! We are the 51st state!"

"Kosovo is the most reliable," Lumnije said.

"It is a small country," Fana said, "but you can rely on us completely."

*
I’m not particularly worried that Kosovo will become a jihad state like Iran, or a jihad statelet like the Taliban-ruled parts of Afghanistan and the Hezbollah-controlled portions of Lebanon. Anything is possible, but it’s pretty unlikely. There are too many anti-Islamist antibodies in the society.

"We've been here for so long," United States Army Sergeant Zachary Gore said to me in Eastern Kosovo, "and not seen any evidence of it, that we’ve reached the assumption that it is not a viable threat." I trust American soldiers when it comes to the assessment of threats. I have seen them at work in Iraq, and they are less complacent about dangerous Islamists than any other people I have ever met.

"I don’t think Kosovo will ever follow the path of the Middle East," entrepreneur Luan Berisha told me. "I sincerely believe it. We as Muslims were never fundamentalists in any kind of aspect. All of my family has been Muslims for over 300 years. We were never practicing Muslims like they are in the Middle East. We are quite open, quite liberal in that respect.

The biggest proof of that is within Albania we have Catholics, we have Orthodox, and we have Muslims. First of all we are Albanians. Religion comes second to us. It is not like the countries in the Middle East where the religion comes first. To us, religion comes second. First of all is to create a better life for us."

Kosovo is hardly more religious than anywhere else in Europe, but Albania itself is perhaps the least religious of all. Before the thoroughly oppressive atheist-communist state run by Enver Hoxha during the Cold War, around 30 percent of Albanians were Christians while 70 percent were Muslims. Now hardly anyone belongs to any religion. Every mosque but one in the entire country was physically demolished by the deranged totalitarian state.

"For 50 years Albania was under a horrible dictatorship," Berisha said. "For the 50 years they were under Enver Hoxha nobody dared to practice any religion. There was no god for them. There was only Hoxha. For 50 years it was very bad. Bosnia has suffered a lot, but what Albanians have suffered is unbelievable. Nobody can even explain it to themselves, honestly.

Really, he brainwashed them away from religion. People don’t believe in anything. As soon as you don’t believe in anything, you have a problem with everything. You don’t even know where to start. And now they are slowly starting to come back into beliefs. It took them 18 years, but a lot of people are changing, and actually quite a few Muslims are no longer calling themselves Muslim, but are saying I am Christian. Which is fine because they don’t know what Islam even is. They never touched it. They never went to a mosque."

Albania and Kosovo aren’t the only countries in the Balkan Peninsula where ethnic Albanians live. They also inhabit a portion of southeastern Montenegro near the Albanian border. Their little region on the coast is beautiful, prosperous, and appears to be more thoroughly Europeanized even than Kosovo.

Ethnic Albanians also live in Macedonia near the Albanian border, and their region of that country is very troubled indeed. I traveled there to meet with some Albanian Sufis who are under attack by radical Sunnis. For a host of complex reasons which I will explain in the next chapter, the Binladensa of the Balkans in Macedonia are successfully Islamicizing, and even Arabizing, parts of the country.
To be continued…

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/07/the-bin-ladens.php (http://www.osce.org/kosovo/OSCE,forexample,thereisonegirlwhoiscovered,butsheisaprofessionalinterpreter,verywell-educated.AtonepointtheKosovardelegationwenttoGermanyandtheyhiredaninterpreterandshewassupposedtogo.Whentheysawthatshewascoveredtheyrefusedtotakeher.%22%22TheKosovarsrefusedtotakeacoveredwomantoGermanyasaprofessionalinterpreter,%22Fanasaid,%22andtheU.S.sendsacoveredIraqiwomantoWalesasarepresentative! %22Shelaughedoutloudattheirony.%22Theydidn’twantKosovotobeperceivedasaconservativeMuslimcountry,%22Lumnijesaid.%22AndIdefinitelythinktheywereright,%22Fanasaid.?FPRIVATETYPE=PICT;ALT=“Women)

PART 2:
[URL]http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/07/the-bin-ladens-1.php

Bushranger
07-29-2008, 08:38 AM
Interesting article thanks Cal.

Why cant these bloody Binladensa just stay in the middle east & leave every 1 alone, they just dont get it most people dont want to listen to there rubbish.

BRCAK
07-29-2008, 09:15 AM
Interesting article thanks Cal.

Why cant these bloody Binladensa just stay in the middle east & leave every 1 alone, they just dont get it most people dont want to listen to there rubbish.ive met one of these guys in bosnia when he was in my mosque and he tried to recruit me into his way of life as a radical into wahhabism i dont know where he was from but he had that full blown alqaida look to him with his beard and everything he was thrown out of our mosque later that week for his extremist views, i dont like these guys being in my country i dont think they helped us at all in bosnia all theyre doing now is making us look bad

LongShot
07-29-2008, 09:19 AM
Good read and quite informative....looking forward to part 2

wigon
07-29-2008, 10:09 AM
To bad the story isn't as happy in the once very liberal Bosnian region. Here NATO screwed up and let the Salafis take firm root amongst the Bosnia population through vast amounts of money from Saudi Arabia rebuilding mosques and huge amounts of Salafi literature. Even the Grand Mufti of Bosnia supports these Salafi now even though he is (or was) Sufi.

An excellent academic paper on this issue can be found here. It's a bit dense to read, but is packed with well researched information. This, Calanen, is the type of research that I can respect even though it goes against some of my assumptions about Bosnian Sufis. It is not alarmist, but raises serious questions in a solid academic manner. It is such papers as these that always force me to stand back and take a look at some of my ideas and to look at some of these issues in more detail. Ideas and theory should never be fixed when data indicates otherwise.
The article is below:

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2005/May/attanassoffMay05.asp

Laworkerbee
07-29-2008, 02:00 PM
That article confirms a lot of things "The Balkan" has been saying around here recently, I think that guy deserves a beer.

KET
07-29-2008, 02:27 PM
Finally someone got it right. It's a good break from constant "Islam is taking over" threads.

SBL
07-29-2008, 02:31 PM
Thanks Cal.

zg18
07-29-2008, 02:48 PM
They guys knowledge on Balkan is pretty poor,although it is correct that 99% of Balkan muslims are non-religious or moderate muslims, his idiotic claims that Serbs and Croats are one people although we have 1200 history of separated lives in various states or as independed states before 1918,Bosnia is very special case and points that Croats ,Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are ethnic group divided by religions is ridicoulus and ignorant.This article is full of BS.It is so many of them that i dont want to even mention it.

wigon
07-29-2008, 03:14 PM
There was actually a similar effort in Indonesia by Wahhabis/Salafis to take over Indonesia. Fortunately, it got stopped in its tracks through a combined effort of dozens of Sufi Islamic organizations. In Indonesia, like in the Balkans, Sufis have been there for centuries and easily coexist with other religions. However since 9/11 Salafi extremists acting from several radical mosques in the city of Solo, Central Java, began expanding and are linked to the terrorist attacks all thorughout the Indonesia archipelego.
They were doing such things as attacking Ramayana theatres and shadow puppet peformers. In short they were trying to destroy thousands of years of rich and ancient cultural heritage in the name of Islam and trying to make Indonesians more Arab. Fortunately, the vast majority of Indonesians have been resisting this and have been peacefully putting a halt to a lot of their activities. Hopefully, such resistance will continue.

Likewise I hope they will not be corrupted by modern American influences as well. Living in Yogyakarta, Central Java for 2 1/2 years, I relished the sense of community I found there that is much more like America is in our rural areas where everyone knows each other, people talk with their neighbors and people work together in community projects purely for the sake of the community.

So when I read about these kinds of acts of violence and intimidation against ancient orders of Sufis in the Balkans (and other moderate Muslims who resist them), it infuriates me in the extreme.

Wigon

wigon
07-29-2008, 03:22 PM
They guys knowledge on Balkan is pretty poor,although it is correct that 99% of Balkan muslims are non-religious or moderate muslims, his idiotic claims that Serbs and Croats are one people although we have 1200 history of separated lives in various states or as independed states before 1918,Bosnia is very special case and points that Croats ,Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are ethnic group divided by religions is ridicoulus and ignorant.This article is full of BS.It is so many of them that i dont want to even mention it.


Ya'all look the same to us. lol! Just joking. As an anthropologist, one of the things we study is how difficult it is to pin down "ethnicity" in order to categorize people. That can get complicated awfully fast especially when your infomants disagree with each other concerning who is what ethnicity.
Get a Greek in here and we could hear a really angry rant about "Macedonia". lol

Wigon

khukuri
07-29-2008, 04:32 PM
This is article was spot on and very good. Usually calanens posts are alarmist **** but this is a good one.

Only thing I dont like is that they refer to wahhabism as arabic culture? Wtf, wahhabism isnt predominent in arab world.

wigon
07-29-2008, 04:35 PM
This is article was spot on and very good. Usually calanens posts are alarmist **** but this is a good one.

Only thing I dont like is that they refer to wahhabism as arabic culture? Wtf, wahhabism isnt predominent in arab world.


Amongst the Gulf Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula it is. However they don't like being called Wahhabi. They prefer to be called Salafis.

Wigon

Calanen
07-29-2008, 05:54 PM
They guys knowledge on Balkan is pretty poor,although it is correct that 99% of Balkan muslims are non-religious or moderate muslims, his idiotic claims that Serbs and Croats are one people although we have 1200 history of separated lives in various states or as independed states before 1918,Bosnia is very special case and points that Croats ,Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are ethnic group divided by religions is ridicoulus and ignorant.This article is full of BS.It is so many of them that i dont want to even mention it.

I could be wrong but I thought his claim was that they were not ethnically different, even if they belong to separate groups - that is, they are the same race. I remember seeing an article saying that genetically, Croats and Serbs were almost the same racially, no matter what other differences they may have.

Calanen
07-29-2008, 05:55 PM
Good read and quite informative....looking forward to part 2

PART 2:
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...n-ladens-1.php (http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...n-ladens-1.php)

I didnt post Part 2, just the link, because I thought if anyone wanted to read the Second Part, they would be interested enough to do so or not as a personal choice.

wigon
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
PART 2:
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...n-ladens-1.php (http://www.michaeltotten.com/archive...n-ladens-1.php)

I didnt post Part 2, just the link, because I thought if anyone wanted to read the Second Part, they would be interested enough to do so or not as a personal choice.


Yeah I didn't at first see the Part II link. But his observations of Macedonia is more along the lines of the link I posted concerning Bosnia.
That is some bizarre politics there. It all makes your head spin.

Wigon

Ichabod
07-29-2008, 06:00 PM
I could be wrong but I thought his claim was that they were not ethnically different, even if they belong to separate groups - that is, they are the same race. I remember seeing an article saying that genetically, Croats and Serbs were almost the same racially, no matter what other differences they may have.

You are right.

BW2
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
Gee this bin laden guy sure hates us Serbs! p-)

Hope you guys see the irony here in what's happened in the past decade...

loganinkosovo
07-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Not only are the Saudi Wahabist repairing mosques in Bosnia, they are building new ones. They are even building Mosques in places where there are no muslims.

Along with the mosques they are building Islamist Schools and paying the parents to send their children to them for indoctrination. And of course the girls all have to wear head to toe black Hijab with only the face uncovered even in the heat of summer.

Kosovo and Macedonia have a big problem called "Tetovo". There is a lot of Wahabists there. A friend's Girlfriend, who was a sales rep for a firm in Macedonia used to get a kick out of going there since the Males wouldn't shake her hand at the end of a deal...... because she was a woman.

All the Kosovar Albanians I knew said those people ain't right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD1V59N3K5c

Mate
07-30-2008, 07:58 AM
Nice article Calanen,made a clear view about religion here in Kosovo,thanks.