Best Anti-Aircraft Weapon

[Sayeret]

Post pictures of the weapons

IMO regarding anti-aircraft guns the most effective weapon is the ZSU-23-4.

http://www.armyradio.com/publish/Articles/Desert_Storm_Equipment/Pictures/zsu_23-4.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/spadeadam/images/img005.jpg

The best surface-to-air missile overall is probably the SA-12

http://www.wonderland.org.nz/sa-12-3.jpg

The best man portable surface-to-air missile is probably the newest version of the FIM-92 Stinger.

http://www.warships1.com/Weapons/WMUS_Stinger_FIM-92_Marines_pic.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army/images/stinger2.jpg

[Mark Sman]

http://www.disappointment.com/jesuslives/jesusimages/pidgeon.jpg

Probably downs more aircraft per year than anything else.

[Midav]

http://www.disappointment.com/jesuslives/jesusimages/pidgeon.jpg

Probably downs more aircraft per year than anything else.

rofl

'Tis true. Humanity can't beat mother nature.

[Wakizashi]

ive had more jumps then i can count on my hands get canned from planes hitting birds and having to land to get checked for any problems.... ah.... the power of nature

[soma]

How about real missions? I mean all those apaches and ground fire from rifles.

[Flanker]

Best medium range, low-alt. system: NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System). Using boosted AMRAAM missiles, one battery can engage 54 individual targets with 54 missiles in 13 seconds. The system also has excellent mobility, redundancy and survivability.

The dutch might be getting NASAMS soon, but so far the only user is the RNoAF.

http://www.bfo.no/Offisersbladet/2004/Nr_3/nasams3.jpg

[MARINO]

NASAMS woot

[droopy]

"54 individual targets with 54 missiles in 13 seconds" :P
Are you shure it`s not a spelling mistake ??? :roll:

[usa320]

54 targets with 54 missiles is possible only if the guy locking up the targets is taking methamphetine.

rofl

Id say the Arrow, PAC-3 and the AEGIS system aboard us Cruisers and Destroyers are probably the best.

[Scrim]

I cant say which is best, but my third MOS was an Avenger gunner.It is armed with 8 Stingers and a .50 cal.
Here are some pics and info.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/580_1086466025_ave1.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/580_1086466205_avenger2.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/580_1086465918_74749251drigmw_ph.jpg





http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/580_1086467187_blazer5.jpg
The LAV version.

Link to info capabilities etc.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/avenger/index.html

[American Patriot]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bradleylinebacker.jpg

Armored Air Defense vehicle of Ass Kicking.

4 Stingers in a pod plus it carries 11 others. Also has a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon to engage infantry or aircraft.

[GazB]

Regarding the first post the ZSU-23-4 is a tested and very capable system, but as its replacement shows it does lack a little range. A modern AT Helo can sit at long range and ping them off with impunity. It is very handy for putting up a wall of shells in the path of an aircraft though or for making enemy infantry keep their heads down during an attack.

The ZSU was replaced by the 2S6M because the Soviets realised that missiles and guns were complimentary. A gun is cheap and simple and will work even when all the guidance systems are jammed. A missile offers extended range and round for round accuracy that a gun alone cannot match. Both Missile and gun based systems require expensive sights and radars to be effective so the 2S6M has both guns (two twin barrel 30mm 2A38M cannon firing at 2,500rpm each) and missiles (SA-19 Grison). The missiles use a booster stage that gives them a range of 8-10km in the early versions that extends to 18-20km in the later models. The guns are effective out to 4km against air and ground targets.

The SA-12 is optimised for attacking ballistic missiles and is probably most analogous to Arrow or very late model Patriot PAC 3s though range is greater as it was designed from the very start to intercept small incoming warheads. As a general medium or long range SAM I would suggest S-400 as being the current benchmark though Aster looks good too.

Regarding MANPADS I doubt there is much difference in performance between Igla, Stinger, Mistral, Starstreak etc and would probably prefer a mix of these types to make the enemies task more difficult.

NASAMs looks interesting, but the other American systems listed are not in the same game. No offense intended but what is the point of mounting Stingers with a range of 6km and a 25mm gun on a vehicle as an airdefence vehicle?

If the Russians did that (even their early 80s solution of SA-9 and SA-13s with ZSU-23-4s is on paper much more capable as they had both passive sensors to detect incoming aircraft and radar systems to make them all weather) they would be vulnerable to terrain masking helos with Hellfire missiles.

It is pretty obvious that the US Army intends to be completely protected by the USAF. Which is fair enough... but to suggest they are somehow more capable than other systems is funny.

I would rate the Gepard pretty highly because the Germans know what they are doing, though I think a system with a smaller round and higher rate of fire might have been more useful.


Armored Air Defense vehicle of Ass Kicking.

4 Stingers in a pod plus it carries 11 others. Also has a 25mm Bushmaster autocannon to engage infantry or aircraft.

During the 80s every BMP-2 that went into service had an Igla grip stock and four missiles... plus it had a 30mm gun... hardly 21st Century stuff really.

[Lobo]

Spain has bought the NASAMS system.

There are upgrading packages for the "Shilka", including SAMs

[deutschersoldat]

the german gepard

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gepard/images/gepard7.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gepard/images/gepard2.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gepard/images/gepard1.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gepard/images/gepard6.jpg

[intrinsic]

What about BAE Rapier 2000, I believe its one if not the only system to be able to track Stealth aircraft.

[Ghostwolf]

Best medium range, low-alt. system: NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System). Using boosted AMRAAM missiles, one battery can engage 54 individual targets with 54 missiles in 13 seconds. The system also has excellent mobility, redundancy and survivability.

The dutch might be getting NASAMS soon, but so far the only user is the RNoAF.

http://www.bfo.no/Offisersbladet/2004/Nr_3/nasams3.jpg

Speaking of NASAM, here's the U.S. version of ground launched AMRAAM(and much more mobile), the SLAMRAAM (Surface Launched AMRAAM) or AKA HUMRAAM.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/amraam-780815-n-2343f-002.jpg

http://147.71.210.21/summer98/Humramf.jpg

HUMRAAM live fire video from Grouchy Media:
http://www.grouchymedia.com/other_videos/slamraam_boom/index.cfm

[cut]

http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/rapier_2000/rapir1.jpg

British Rapier 2000

[tenda]

ghepard, rapier e stinger ....!!!!!! :lol:

[perdurabo]

Polish
LoaraA:
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/gp/loara.jpg
http://www.pancerni.to2.pl/zestplot/loara.jpg
http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/img/artykul/1105.jpg
for other polish stuff there was a thread about polish air defence stuff network structure etc....

[tenda]

...ghepard updated...??' na...??? ;)

[perdurabo]

...ghepard updated...??' na...??? ;)
nope same guns as gepard orleikon KDA 35mm only other things diffrent
Loara has optical chanell wich i didn't noticed on gepard upper radar (search) is Polish construction MMSR lower is swedish or french turret and haul is polish construction.

[tenda]

.......germany didn't give ghepard sistem surplus to poland..?
and leopard 2 as well...??? :roll:

[perdurabo]

.......germany didn't give ghepard sistem surplus to poland..?
and leopard 2 as well...??? :roll:
no
only 126 Leo2A4(with other stuff as well few buffels M113 and trucks because polish 10th panzer brigade works in german division structures in times of war) and ~24 MIG29

[tenda]

.......germany didn't give ghepard sistem surplus to poland..?
and leopard 2 as well...??? :roll:
no
only 126 Leo2A4(with other stuff as well few buffels M113 and trucks because polish 10th panzer brigade works in german division structures in times of war) and ~24 MIG29
..ok ...perfect,.... ;)
se ja.....

[mmackem]

Starstreak HVM, entered service with the British Army in 2000. And has also been ordered by South Africa.

Range: 8km
Speed: >Mach 4

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/455_1086384172_45114954.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/starstreak/images/star4.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/starstreak/images/star5.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/starstreak/images/star7.jpg

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

.......germany didn't give ghepard sistem surplus to poland..?

Nope. but Romania got some... ca. 40-50

[TacoDelRio]

Uh, anyone forget the 2S6M Tunguska?

Friggin' 4x 30 mike mike's, 8x SA19 Grison SAM's, damn man!

http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/tunguska2.jpg
http://pvo.webz.cz/images/2s6/2s6m1.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/tunguskam11.jpg

I'd rather go up against the older 4x 23mm's of the Shilka/Zeus, than the 4x 30's of the Tunguska, not to mention the friggin' SA19's at longer ranges. Crap dude.

[Chrome Beretta]

HOWITZER! :D .

[Seiyuuki]

Since this is about "Best Anti-Aicraft" with no restriction on the platform...I'll go with the Aegis and VLS pairing.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ddg64_2.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ddg-80-22.jpg

[SeanAshi]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Gremlins/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/boxes/gremlins2.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

Howdy Seeiyuuki, long time no post!

The AEGIS is great, but the friggin' anti-air capabilities on Russian Kirov-class nuclear cruisers is amazing!

Sorry if I'm on a Russian-weaponry binge!

DB

[Adri]

a nuke will do

[MARINO]

Since this is about "Best Anti-Aicraft" with no restriction on the platform...I'll go with the Aegis and VLS pairing.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ddg64_2.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ddg-80-22.jpg


woot woot woot woot woot
Me too.
http://pobladores.lycos.es/data/pobladores.com/jo/se/joselito70/channels/marina_de_guerra/images/2225073f100.jpg
http://www.revistanaval.com/imaxes/f101_sm2_800.jpg

[Flanker]

"54 individual targets with 54 missiles in 13 seconds" :P
Are you shure it`s not a spelling mistake ??? :roll:
Nope, that's no spelling mistake... NASAMS features an automatic IFF system that interrogates all contacts as they are detected. In the event of a massive attack, the system can be placed in autofire-mode... It can then launch 54 missiles against 54 individual targets in 13 seconds, provided there are 54 targets ID as hostile available, and provide inflight guidance for all 54 missiles until they go active.

A NASAMS battery is made up of 3 FDC's (Fire Distribuiton Centre), each of wich has one LASR (Low Altitude Surveilance Radar) that is a Hughes TPQ-36A 3-dimensional phased array radar and one NTAS (Norwegian Tracking Adjunct System) IRST device. Three NASAMS launchers are connected via secure radio to each FDC, a system that enables the launchers to be placed several KM away from the FDC/radar. The three FDCs are linked together via datalink, and share radar data between themselves. This enables the NASAMS system to deny enemy flights in a much larger area than the range of the AMRAAM missile would suggest.

NASAMS has had a 100% kill-rate in all tests so far, against all types of aerial targets including cruise missiles.

The new US SLAMRAAM system is based on the ideas behind NASAMS, but adapted to US needs.

[Flanker]

[quote=droopy]"54 individual targets with 54 missiles in 13 seconds" :P
Are you shure it`s not a spelling mistake ??? :roll:
Nope, that's no spelling mistake... NASAMS features an automatic IFF system that interrogates all contacts as they are detected. In the event of a massive attack, the system can be placed in autofire-mode... It can then launch 54 missiles against 54 individual targets in 13 seconds, provided there are 54 targets ID as hostile available, and provide inflight guidance for all 54 missiles until they go active.

A NASAMS battery is made up of 3 FDC's (Fire Distribuiton Centre), each of wich has one LASR (Low Altitude Surveilance Radar) that is a Hughes TPQ-36A 3-dimensional phased array radar and one NTAS (Norwegian Tracking Adjunct System) IRST device. Three NASAMS launchers are connected via secure radio to each FDC, a system that enables the launchers to be placed several KM away from the FDC/radar. The three FDCs are linked together via datalink, and share radar data between themselves. This enables the NASAMS system to deny enemy flights in a much larger area than the range of the AMRAAM missile would suggest.

NASAMS has had a 100% kill-rate in all tests so far, against all types of aerial targets including cruise missiles.

The new US SLAMRAAM system is based on the ideas behind NASAMS, but adapted to US needs. One big difference is that NASAMS is designed as a mobile area defence system for high-priority targets, airfields, cities etc. while SLAMRAAM is designed as force-protection system that follows the troops. Different needs, different solutions... But the boosted AMRAAM missile is indeed excellent.

[Nikolas]

Tunguska

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/sa19/gm5975b1.jpg

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/sa19/tunguska_mp.jpg

Favorit

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/sa10/20-005_S-400.JPG

BUK

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/sa11/rvt/buk_m1_2_9m317_.jpg

[FLaKKeY]

call me old fashion but i always thought the good old 88mm Was the best anti aircraft and anti tank weapon :) :) shot down more planes then missiles.. probably because no other country other then america, russia, france, germany, china and taiwan have huge airforces.

[perdurabo]

on the begining of may Poland conducted litle excercizes and tests of new AA systems
first firing of GROM rockets from POPRAD system
two rockets destroyed their targets (ICP-89 target imitator)
POPRAD have fully optical target aquisition and IFF IKZ-02 it can destroy targets flying 500-5500m away and 10-3500m high it can work fully automatics mode
http://www.radwar.com.pl/pol/images/image049.jpg
second tests where fired ZUR-23-2KG steered from WD-95 vehicle from Blenda system in shooting to towed target 1000m away it shooted its towing line!
http://www.radwar.com.pl/pol/images/image055.jpg
WD-95 vechicle normally used with S-60 guns
All systems worked in full automatics mode in national air defence network targets first where recognized by MMSR small radar
http://www.radwar.com.pl/pol/images/image035.jpg

[Freibier]

Not the best anti-aircraft system but neat looking and just a little larger than a car :P

LeFlaSys for airborne troops:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2788/Ozelot_RADAR_001.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5410/ozelot.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7949/bw_watr_wiesel_2_ozelot-010.jpg

[perdurabo]

Not the best anti-aircraft system but neat looking and just a little larger than a car :P

LeFlaSys for airborne troops:

:) the same class as our POPRAD but we use our rockets not american p-) :lol:

[Freibier]

Not the best anti-aircraft system but neat looking and just a little larger than a car :P

LeFlaSys for airborne troops:

:) the same class as our POPRAD but we use our rockets not american p-) :lol:
Maybe Bundeswehr should get polish rockets then, I mean why shipping them thousands of miles when you can get them 100km across the border woot :P

[perdurabo]

Not the best anti-aircraft system but neat looking and just a little larger than a car :P

LeFlaSys for airborne troops:

:) the same class as our POPRAD but we use our rockets not american p-) :lol:
Maybe Bundeswehr should get polish rockets then, I mean why shipping them thousands of miles when you can get them 100km across the border woot :P
also our GROM are cheaper and we have special applications for them to work with IFFsystems and in national anti-aircraft network also traning pipes that make electronic-shoot..... p-) p-)

[Valuk]

I'll stick to short ranged systems. Nobody has mentioned Pantsyr-S1, but you mention Gepard etc.. ?? Ok, not proven technology, but the facts are there.

Pantsyr-S1 is a close-in air defence system designed to defend ground installations against a variety of weapons including both fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, ballistic and cruise missiles, precision-guided munitions and unmanned air vehicles. It can also engage light armoured ground targets.

The United Arab Emirates has ordered 50 Pantsyr-S1 systems to be delivered by 2005!!!

ARMAMENT

Pantsyr-S1 carries twelve 57E6 surface-to-air missiles on launchers. The missile has a bicalibre body in tandem configuration, separable booster and sustainer with separation mechanism. The sustainer contains the warhead and contact and proximity fuzes. The fragmentation rod warhead weighs 16kg. The missile weighs 65kg at launch and has a maximum speed of 1,100m/s. Range is from 1 to 12km.

Two 2A72 30 mm guns are fitted with 750 rounds of a variety of ammunition - HE (High Explosive) fragmentation, fragmentation tracer, armour-piercing with tracer. Ammunition type can be selected by the crew depending on the nature of the target. Maximum rate of fire is 700 rounds per minute. Range is up to 4km.

FIRE CONTROL

The Pantsyr-S1 fire control system includes a target acquisition radar and dual waveband tracking radar, which operates in the millimetre and centimetre waveband. Detection range is 30km and tracking range is 24km for a 2 - 3cm² target. This radar tracks both targets and the surface-to-air missile while in flight.

As well as radar, the fire control system also has an electro-optic channel with long-wave thermal imager and infrared direction finder, including digital signal processing and automatic target tracking. A simplified, lower-cost version of Pantsyr-S1 is also being developed for export, with only the electro-optic fire control system fitted.

The two independent guidance channels - radar and electro-optic - allow two targets to be engaged simultaneously. Maximum engagement rate is 12 targets per minute. :D

VEHICLE

Pantsyr-S1 is mounted on a 10t Ural-5323 truck chassis with a turret that houses the armament, laying drives, sensors, control equipment and crew.

The Ural-5323 truck is four-axle, 8 x 8 all-wheel drive with single tyre wheels. The first and second axle wheels are steerable. The engine is an air-cooled diesel Ural-745.10 providing 290hp. The dual-plate mechanical clutch has a pneumatic booster and three-range five-speed gearbox. A two-stage transfer case has lockable symmetrical interaxle differential. Suspension is by rigid-axle bogie on longitudinal semi-elliptical leaf springs. Front suspension is fitted with hydraulic shock absorbers.

The Ural-5323 can ford up to 1.75m of water.

A shelter-based version of the Pantsyr-S1 is also being developed.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pantsyr/images/pantsyr1.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pantsyr/images/pantsyr15.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pantsyr/images/pantsyr2.jpg


The price tag is probably out of option for most budgets and there is the thing with spare parts, trainings and updating option in the future, since there are too few of these systems in the service worldwide :( .

[perdurabo]

Putting togheter rockets and guns isnt too good idea guns need stable platform so it need quite a lot of weight and rockets need fast moving turret so you have to put quite heavy turret with fast systems to move around also combat usage of rocket system and gun is litle bit diffrent thats why moust of western systems are separated...
Also what about working in network?

[talib_killa34]

Avenger/LAV=SWEET.

Points for the M6 Linebacker toooooo!!! woot

[tomcat1974]

Putting togheter rockets and guns isnt too good idea guns need stable platform so it need quite a lot of weight and rockets need fast moving turret so you have to put quite heavy turret with fast systems to move around also combat usage of rocket system and gun is litle bit diffrent thats why moust of western systems are separated...
Also what about working in network?

Bull****.. You are not placing 4m long missiles..You place usualy IR or laser beam rider missile.. and that is the feature of missile you can stear it after the launch.
Missile are used for longer range engagements and guns for close range.

Didn't you the Polish people learned from your neighbours? Germany has Stinger mounted on the Gepard turret. Russians ..well they have Tunguska and Pantsir

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Didn't you the Polish people learned from your neighbours? Germany has Stinger mounted on the Gepard turret. Russians ..well they have Tunguska and Pantsir

We, in Poland, are original ;) :lol:

[tomcat1974]

Didn't you the Polish people learned from your neighbours? Germany has Stinger mounted on the Gepard turret. Russians ..well they have Tunguska and Pantsir

We, in Poland, are original ;) :lol:

Yea' right :)

[GazB]

Putting togheter rockets and guns isnt too good idea move around also combat usage of rocket system and gun is litle bit diffrent thats why moust of western systems are separated...


Most new western systems are gun missile hybrids.

Putting guns and missiles together is a great idea as they are complimentary systems. The guns are cheap to use and effective enough at close range. Missiles are more accurate and have a much longer range but are expensive and a waste for some targets and often have rather long minimum ranges.

Having both systems combined removes a potential blind spot at close range, give the vehicle serious close range firepower to protect itself if needed and most importantly means that radars and sensors as well as stabilisation systems go on one vehicle instead of two. It reduces redundancy and duplication of expensive search and tracking radars and EO sights.


guns need stable platform so it need quite a lot of weight and rockets need fast moving turret so you have to put quite heavy turret with fast systems to

The turrets on missile launchers have to be fast and stable too. The weight of the turret is irrelevant as long as it turns quickly enough to track targets.


Also what about working in network?

The main purpose of a network is to share resources and information. Having seperate vehicles for gun and missile vehicles is needless duplication with regard to sensors and automotive parts.

Gun platforms also have the advantage of being able to fire on the move... not many missile launchers have that ability, so adding guns at least gives it some AA capability while it is on the move.

[mattin]

Didn't you the Polish people learned from your neighbours? Germany has Stinger mounted on the Gepard turret. Russians ..well they have Tunguska and Pantsir
But we have biala it is modernisation of zsu-23 with grom mounted on it. And Loara will have much more bigger rockets no MANPADs but something like swedish bamse these rockets are to big to mount it on one vehicle together with two cannons.

[S'13]

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_propelled%20antiaircraft/eagle_eye/eagle.jpg


Eagle-Eye Mk 1 is an air defense electro-optical Fire Control System. It has TV and FLIR channels, laser range finder and auto-tracking for engaging attacking aircraft and helicopters. It can interface with a search radar for target approach alerts and it can control up to six A/A guns of all types, e.g. 37mm, 40mm, 57mm guns, and missile turrets with Stinger, SA-18 or Mistral. For mobility, Eagle-Eye may be installed on vehicles and other platforms (see Machbet). The Mk 2 turret is an improved version, which adds four missiles to the same six-guns control capability, plus its own four missiles.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_propelled%20antiaircraft/eagle_eye/Eagle_eye.html

[SiFiOn]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/content/data/%5B(1342)-25-02-2002%5Dgoalkeeper.jpg

[Sayeret]

^thats a great weapon but only if your at low altitude.

[Sayeret]

I'm pretty sure I heard that one of the most common ways aircraft get shot down is not by SAMs or AA guns but by small arms fire, does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[easyand]

In italy.....

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/equipaggiamenti/img_equip/img_schede_armi/Scheda83.JPG
25mm

http://www.otomelara.it/products/images/gallery/twin_40l70_2.jpg
40mm naval 600rds

http://www.otomelara.it/products/images/gallery/76c_2.jpg
76mm naval 120rds super rapid

[Burncycle]

The Aegis system

[GazB]

A tank is a great anti tank weapon because it can go everywhere another tank can go and can keep up with tanks.

For the same reason the best anti aircraft weapon is probably another fighter aircraft, but ground based systems are useful too.

[SiFiOn]

I'm pretty sure I heard that one of the most common ways aircraft get shot down is not by SAMs or AA guns but by small arms fire, does anyone have any thoughts on this?

About a year ago, I saw a farmer in a far-away-country on television who claimed that he had shot an AH-64 from the sky with his hunting-rifle ;)

[Sayeret]

About a year ago, I saw a farmer in a far-away-country on television who claimed that he had shot an AH-64 from the sky with his hunting-rifle

The person was actually refering to the Vietnam war and I think they meant that a lot of helicopters like the UH-1 were shot down by small arms.

[easyand]

at my opinion this is the best AA gun:

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/882002/88_bpictures/HV-88=OERLIKON=01.jpg
Oerlikon 35[/img]

[Vestnik PVO]

I think these are best
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/other/finn/helsinki2004/IMG_6153.JPG
Buk
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/perm2004/P1020059.JPG
S-200
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/perm2004/P1020064.JPG
S-300P

WBR

Said
Vestnik PVO http://pvo.guns.ru