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longlivechina
08-03-2008, 11:39 PM
Statement on H. RES. 1370 Calling on the Government of the People's Republic of China to immediately end abuses of the human rights of its citizens

July 30, 2008
Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to this resolution, which is yet another meaningless but provocative condemnation of China . It is this kind of jingoism that has led to such a low opinion of the United States abroad. Certainly I do not condone human rights abuses, wherever they may occur, but as Members of the US House of Representatives we have no authority over the Chinese government. It is our Constitutional responsibility to deal with abuses in our own country or those created abroad by our own foreign policies. Yet we are not debating a bill to close Guantanamo , where abuses have been documented. We are not debating a bill to withdraw from Iraq , where scores of innocents have been killed, injured, and abused due to our unprovoked attack on that country. We are not debating a bill to reverse the odious FISA bill passed recently which will result in extreme abuses of Americans by gutting the Fourth Amendment.

Instead of addressing these and scores of other pressing issues over which we do have authority, we prefer to spend our time criticizing a foreign government over which we have no authority and foreign domestic problems about which we have very little accurate information.

I do find it ironic that this resolution alls on the Government of the People's Republic of China to begin earnest negotiations, without preconditions, directly with His Holiness the Dalai Lama or his representatives.?For years US policy has been that no meeting or negotiation could take place with Iran until certain preconditions are met by Iran . Among these is a demand that Iran cease uranium enrichment, which Iran has the right to do under the terms of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. It is little wonder why some claim that resolutions like this are hypocritical.

Instead of lecturing China, where I have no doubt there are problems as there are everywhere, I would suggest that we turn our attention to the very real threats in a United States where our civil liberties and human rights are being eroded on a steady basis. The Bible cautions against pointing out the speck in a neighbor eye while ignoring the log in one own. I suggest we contemplate this sound advice before bringing up such ill-conceived resolutions in the future.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr0730a08h.htm

jetsetter
08-03-2008, 11:57 PM
The difference between China and the United States, and this difference is substantial, is that China is committing abuses against its own people. Because of that fact I say we continue condemning China.

Ordie
08-03-2008, 11:59 PM
Ron Paul was the only Nay vote.
Resolution passed

Ayes:419(96%)
Nays:1(0%)
Present:1(0%)
No Vote:14(3%)
Required: 2/3 of 421 votes (281)
Source:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-539

longlivechina
08-04-2008, 12:14 AM
Ron Paul was the only Nay vote.
Resolution passed

Ayes:419(96%)
Nays:1(0%)
Present:1(0%)
No Vote:14(3%)
Required: 2/3 of 421 votes (281)
Source:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-539

The truth is always in the minorities. :)

Mr.Flint
08-04-2008, 12:15 AM
And Ron Paul is wrong on this part as well
...which Iran has the right to do under the terms of the Non-Proliferation Treaty...

jetsetter
08-04-2008, 12:15 AM
The truth is always in the minorities. :)

Most intelligent people don't take Paul seriously.

Will938
08-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Most intelligent people don't take Paul seriously.

If there were more people like Ron Paul in Congress we would be much better off. You don't see how retarded or counterproductive it is to waste time on crap like this when we have dozens of other issues we could be addressing?

longlivechina
08-04-2008, 12:29 AM
Most intelligent people don't take Paul seriously.

maybe?
RIP to the 70,000 American soldiers

BloodyTalon
08-04-2008, 12:42 AM
The truth is always in the minorities. :)
Funny that the government you support doesn't follow that ideal.

Also, your numbers of US casualties in Iraq are bull.

Kak
08-04-2008, 12:42 AM
And Ron Paul is wrong on this part as well
Please elaborate.

Mr.Flint
08-04-2008, 12:49 AM
Please elaborate.
It violated the NPT safeguards obligations, by pursuing enrichment in secrecy.
So they lost that right when they decided to do it in secrecy, rather than doing it openly under the eyes of IAEA, as required and allowed by the NPT
RP is still wrong.

Ordie
08-04-2008, 12:35 PM
The truth is always in the minorities. :)

Are you saying that the Falun Gong, Uighurs, and Dalai Lama are always right?

Adux
08-04-2008, 12:50 PM
Are you saying that the Falun Gong, Uighurs, and Dalai Lama are always right?

Excellent,

Can I say OWNED.

Ordie,

I have posted an article "Our Growing Isolation" in the General Section, Would be great if you can put through your views,

chauncy republicans
08-04-2008, 12:54 PM
Most intelligent people don't take Paul seriously.
Most intelligent people try to right the wrongs in their own country before they try to legislate morality in another.

SBL
08-04-2008, 12:55 PM
Most intelligent people try to right the wrongs in their own country before they try to legislate morality in another.
See: Carrie Nation

chauncy republicans
08-04-2008, 01:05 PM
See: Carrie Nation
I can see a couple of ways Carrie Nation can relate to this argument, can you be more specific on how you see she would fit?

longlivechina
08-04-2008, 02:24 PM
Are you saying that the Falun Gong, Uighurs, and Dalai Lama are always right?

The happiness is look for the truth, but don't lie in to discover the truth.
-Row · Tolstoy

What do you think ?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=358&pictureid=5185

Ordie
08-04-2008, 02:42 PM
The happiness is look for the truth, but don't lie in to discover the truth.
-Row · Tolstoy

What do you think ?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=358&pictureid=5185

I think it's fantastic!!!!

I'm always for people demonstrating their freedom of speech. (Even those who I disagree with)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
-US Bill of Rights

"Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration."
-Constitution of the People's Republic of China