NEWS ONLY........... Georgia/Russian Conflict.. NO Comment/debate

[Art-spb]

Today's pictures from http://www.lenta.ru/photo/2008/08/08/ossetia/

[Wachmistrz]

in polish newspapper "Rzeczpospolita":

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika2/173485,181107,9.jpg

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/WACICI%7E1/USTAWI%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.jpg

[boreal]

http://estaticos03.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2008/08/08/1218197812_g_0.jpg

[Winger]

be a friend and post these here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139150&page=58

[Evolv5]

Is that guy wearing a MARPAT look-a-like?

Too bad they had to "start a war" during the beginning of the Olympics ... I thought it was unwritten courtesy not to.

[Norsu]

I think a separate picture thread is in order. This way we could discuss photos here without any political rants etc.

Georgian T-72 (not sure which variant) with ERA

http://i34.tinypic.com/16arxwy.jpg

Georgian troops

http://i33.tinypic.com/e6si9y.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/es8g3k.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/4izmrs.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2zg8779.jpg

[1911-a1]

firefight vid

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b26_1218094003

[Evolv5]

Ah yeah that's right, now I remember, Georgie bought some MARPAT, I was mixing up the nations in my head, trying to multi-task while looking at the opening ceremony. Thanks for the pics!

[Norsu]

firefight vid

Georgians firing at South Ossetians?

[Wachmistrz]

http://m.onet.pl/_m/db18a9cf56d8fb2328a47732a9d1c927,29,1.jpg

Greeeting of Georgian troops entering Osetia from: http://tygodnik.onet.pl/31,0,13326,rosyjskie_czolgi_atakuja_stolice_osetii,artykul.html
the polish text is about information that russian tanks are attacking georgian position near Chinwali

[mannelig]

http://estaticos03.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2008/08/08/1218197812_g_0.jpg

Whose tanks are these?

[Norsu]

Whose tanks are these?According to various news sources they are Georgian tanks. Note the ERA bricks shown in Georgian T-72 above.



Apparently these are Russian tanks sent in as reinforcements for Russian peacekeepers

http://i37.tinypic.com/vd3hmu.jpg

Georgian 152mm Danas

http://i36.tinypic.com/zjj5ef.jpg

Georgian Hinds

http://i34.tinypic.com/a3f52r.jpg

South Ossetians

http://i34.tinypic.com/9gh4jk.jpg

[socom6]

I dont like whats going on down there. I hope there is a negotiated settlement.

[NYCDweller]

http://i36.tinypic.com/es8g3k.jpg

Do I spot an IBA in ACU colors?

[Art-spb]

Pictures from http://www.lenta.ru/photo/2008/08/08/ossetia2/

[Aryan_Singh]

Hey man what are the Georgian thinking, How long can they stand infront of Russia

[mannelig]

Hardly to understand which are Georgians`, Ossetians` or Russians` tanks...They are all T-72s witg ERA.

[Fireglow]

Hey man what are the Georgian thinking, How long can they stand infront of Russia

Then what are anyone else thinking? There isn't many countrys that can stand in front of Russia. This is propably political move from georgia, it is trying to get support from western countries.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

powerful photo

http://www.*******.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080808&t=2&i=5496078&w=&r=2008-08-08T135026Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE1
Georgian soldiers sit in their vehicles near the city of Tskhinvali, 62 miles from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008.

[guest]

Then what are anyone else thinking? There isn't many countrys that can stand in front of Russia. This is propably political move from georgia, it is trying to get support from western countries.


That won't happen,

The U.S., Britain, NATO ect, will not do anything, beyond words like " We are concerned with this unfortunate situation..., we urge all parties to come to a peacefull solution."

Then maybe, just maybe.. if Russia allows it, the UN might set up a peacekeeping mission.

In any case, The West, is not going to threaten Russia... over Georgia.

So, Russia will pretty much get to do what it wants. Georgia, in the end.. has everything to lose, little to gain.

[orko_8]

powerful photo

http://www.*******.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080808&t=2&i=5496078&w=&r=2008-08-08T135026Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE1
Georgian soldiers sit in their vehicles near the city of Tskhinvali, 62 miles from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008.


The stress is very apparent from their faces.

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

^ exactly. I hate the fact that soldiers and civilians pay the highest price for the politicans...

[Atlantic Friend]

In any case, The West, is not going to threaten Russia... over Georgia.



Over Georgia, they might. Over South Ossetia, certainly not.

[guest]

Over Georgia, they might. Over South Ossetia, certainly not.


Nope, very few countries are worth WW3.. Georgia's not one of them.

Americans, Brits, French, Italian, German.. they don't want to die over Georgia.

We spent 50+ years trying NOT to get in a fight with Russia, and you think we'd throw it all away over such a place?!?..

[tluassa]

Maybe People will get now why Germany voted against a direct invitation of the Ukraine into Nato ...

[Junkelf]

Then what are anyone else thinking? There isn't many countrys that can stand in front of Russia. This is propably political move from georgia, it is trying to get support from western countries.


Not going to happend

No oil to speak off, so George Bush dont give a F***

So what if Russian brutalize its nextdoor neigbour:|

[Fireglow]

That won't happen,

The U.S., Britain, NATO ect, will not do anything, beyond words like " We are concerned with this unfortunate situation..., we urge all parties to come to a peacefull solution."



In any case, The West, is not going to threaten Russia... over Georgia.


I know, but the georgians propably haven't realized they are not going to get that support.

[guest]

Not going to happend

No oil to speak off, so George Bush dont give a F***

So what if Russian brutalize its nextdoor neigbour:|

Oil has nothing to do with it, if you're going to stand up to a nation with the power to bring Nuclear Holocaust.. then you'd better have a damm good reason.

Georgia is no reason.

Given the choice of WW3, or Georgia?
Sorry, majority rules, Georgia burns.

[Junkelf]

Oil has nothing to do with it, if you're going to stand up to a nation with the power to bring Nuclear Holocaust.. then you'd better have a damm good reason.

Georgia is no reason.

Given the choice of WW3, or Georgia?
Sorry, majority rules, Georgia burns.

My point....no oil, no reason to stand up

[Sanat-e-naft]

Come on georgia!

[Atlantic Friend]

Nope, very few countries are worth WW3.. Georgia's not one of them.

Americans, Brits, French, Italian, German.. they don't want to die over Georgia.

We spent 50+ years trying NOT to get in a fight with Russia, and you think we'd throw it all away over such a place?!?..

No, but in 1914 few Frenchmen and Englishmen wanted to die for Serbia. or for Danzig in 1939. And yet...

Georgia is acting insane now - that's good for the Russians, as long as they make sure the crisis is limited. They are going to defeat the Georgian army and send it back 10 years in time, and South Ossetia is going to be more than a breakaway republic now, I suppose. Georgia will be "Finlandized", coerced into being coy, and no Western nation will do more than ask both sides to find a negotiated settlement.

Should the Kremlin decide it's time to obliterate Tbilisi or Georgia as an independent nation, and it's a whole new ball game. Georgia is a would-be member of both NATO and the EU, with a strategic position for moving oil around. At some point, even if they really, really don't want to, Western nations might feel they have to oppose that Georgia-obliterating Russia now in some way or another - because it they don't, next time it might be even more necessary and even more difficult.

Anyway, the pics are great. I feel for these guys, going to war in pick-ups against a fully mechanized division.

[Hispeed1]

Go Georgia! Thanks for posting all the nice pictures. I hope this attack ends soon. So no more people die.

[Groove]

German language:

www.spiegel.de/video/video-34013.html

www.spiegel.de/video/video-34037.html

www.spiegel.de/video/video-34047.html

[He219]

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A Russian fighter flies over a Georgian position near the city of Tskhinvali, 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008. Georgia's interior ministry said Russian planes had attacked positions just south of breakaway South Ossetia where fighting raged on Friday.
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Russian military vehicles travel through North Ossetia, close to the city of Vladikavkaz, towards South Ossetia in the early morning August 8, 2008 in this video grab from ******* TV.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6113/610xxr0.jpg

In this image, made from television , what Russian Channel 1 claims, a convoy of Russian tanks moving towards Tskhinvali in the South Ossetian enclave in Georgia on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded.

[Capt. Miller]

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/STAGING/global_assets/images/locations/caspian/map_pipeline_caspian_594x370.gif

Something that west could be worried about... Caspian oil/gas pipeline

[AndrejDem]

I think Russian don.t involve in close range fight
They will make air strikes . the fight on the ground will be done by ..volunteers..

[SBL]

Subscribing.
Has fighting encroached on Georgia proper, or is it pretty much restricted to S.O.?

[Adux]

Georgians attacked the Russian Peacekeepers, Russians reserve the right to respond, not mention Shakshivlli was trying to do this for a long time, and its absolutely unforgivable that that he tried to time it along with Olympics. Sinsiter.

[drGreen]

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/STAGING/global_assets/images/locations/caspian/map_pipeline_caspian_594x370.gif

Something that west could be worried about... Caspian oil/gas pipeline

The west won't do shiat, we (western europe) buy tons of russian gas. Russians are friends.

[Alfacentori]

Subscribing.
Has fighting encroached on Georgia proper, or is it pretty much restricted to S.O.?

Been a running commentary in this thread

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3449473&posted=1#post3449473

for the last few hours, so far in S.O with Russian tanks apparently having just reached the S.O capital.

Alfa

[Sanat-e-naft]

Anytime someone refers to Russians as "peacekeepers" the entire phrase should be in quotes.

[He219]

Has fighting encroached on Georgia proper, or is it pretty much restricted to S.O.?
South Ossetia is Georgia proper, North Ossetia is Russia.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7971/340xbs6.jpg

[Ironsight06]

Would be nice if the propaganda war was fought in the topic in the "General" section and keep this topic clean with pics.

[Winger]

South Ossetia is Georgia proper, North Ossetia is Russia.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7971/340xbs6.jpg

That is the lay of the land so-to-speak.

[holyfetzer]

Georgian tanks:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00627/pif_georgien6_BM_Po_627785g.jpg

Georgian soldiers with manpads:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00627/pif_georgien7_BM_Po_627787g.jpg

South Ossetians fleeing from heavy fighting:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00627/KS_ossetien_flucht__627822g.jpg

[Ironsight06]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9861/82216640mz6.jpg

Georgian policemen evacuate a Georgian soldier wounded in battle with South Ossetian separatists, in the town of Gori on August 8, 2008. Russia's defence ministry said that more than 10 of its troops deployed as peacekeepers in South Ossetia have been killed amid a Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, Russian news agencies reported. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

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A Russian fighter jet fires on a Georgian position near Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgia has lost control of parts of the South Ossetian rebel capital of Tskhinvali amid Russian bombardment, a spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry said, after earlier claiming control of the city. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

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An injured Georgian soldier lies in the back of a pick-up truck during the conflict with separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008 Russia's defence ministry said that more than 10 of its troops deployed as peacekeepers in South Ossetia have been killed amid a Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, Russian news agencies reported. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/260/82216439td1.jpg

Georgian troops ride in a tank during the conflict with seperatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008 Russia's defence ministry said that more than 10 of its troops deployed as peacekeepers in South Ossetia have been killed amid a Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, Russian news agencies reported. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

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Georgian policemen evacuate a Georgian soldier, wounded in battle with South Ossetian separatists, in the town of Gori on August 8, 2008. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said the world will be 'in trouble' if Russia gets away with its attacks in his country. 'It's like the attack into Afghanistan, in 1979. It's like Czechoslovakia when Soviet and Russian tanks moved in,' he told CNN television. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

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Georgian soldiers sit in the back of a truck during the armed conflict with South Ossetian separatists, in the town of Gori on August 8, 2008. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said the world will be 'in trouble' if Russia gets away with its attacks in his country. 'It's like the attack into Afghanistan, in 1979. It's like Czechoslovakia when Soviet and Russian tanks moved in,' he told CNN television. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6026/82212540gb4.jpg

A Georgian fighter jet fires on separatist South Ossetian troops over an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said that most of the breakaway province of South Ossetia had been 'liberated' in an overnight offensive and demanded that Russia stop air attacks on Georgian cities. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

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A Georgian policeman evacuates a Georgian soldier, wounded in battle with South Ossetian separatists, in the town of Gori on August 8, 2008. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said the world will be 'in trouble' if Russia gets away with its attacks in his country. 'It's like the attack into Afghanistan, in 1979. It's like Czechoslovakia when Soviet and Russian tanks moved in,' he told CNN television. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/517/82214227pd1.jpg

Georgian girls cry as they examine a list of the wounded in the armed conflict between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists, in the town Gori on August 8, 2008. Georgia's National Security Council warned that Moscow and Tbilisi will be in 'a state of war' if reports of Russian tanks, military trucks and troops entering South Ossetia prove true. AFP PHOTO / VANO SHLAMOV (Photo credit should read VANO SHLAMOV/AFP/***** Images)

[AndrejDem]

I think Russian stop on the pre - war borders.

[arsenalfootball]

nice pics. thanks everyone for postin' them.. please keep them coming!

[He219]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5129/610xzu8.jpg

52 mins ago: A Russian Peacekeeping fighter attacks evil Georgian position near the city of Tskhinvali, 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008. Georgia's interior ministry said three Russian jets entered Georgian airspace and "dropped bombs" at two locations just south of breakaway South Ossetia, where fighting raged on Friday.
;)

[Snoshi]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5129/610xzu8.jpg

;)

I lolled at the caption :)

[TheOpposition]

ok help me out here, other than the weapon how else can we distinguish georgian troops, and the other troops? Im doing my best to find the small diffrences but its all starting to blend together.

[ramthor]

http://i36.tinypic.com/vnch7n.jpg


2 hours ago: In this image, made from television , what Russian First Channel claims - burning Georgian armored vehicles are seen in Tskhinvali in the South Ossetian Georgian enclave on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. AP Photohttp://i38.tinypic.com/2hxlobs.jpg


In this image, made from television, what Russian Channel 1 claims, a convoy of Georgian troops moving towards Tskhinvali in the South Ossetian enclave in Georgia on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Georgian troops launched a major military offensive Friday to regain control over the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting a furious response from Russia, which vowed retaliation and sent tanks into the region. os3 AP Photo http://i33.tinypic.com/13z9xtd.jpg


17 mins ago: In this image, made from a television screen, women and children run to take shelter in Tskhinvali , on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Georgian troops launched a major military offensive Friday to regain control over the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting a furious response from Russia , which vowed retaliation and sent tanks into the region. Dozens were reported dead. The fighting is the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de-facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992 and has drawn in Russia, which maintains close ties to the South Ossetians and has peacekeepers in the region. os1 AP Photo

[holyfetzer]

A wounded Georgian soldier is being treated:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1264960,00.jpg

South Ossetian fighters await the enemy:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1264488,00.jpg

Georgian soldiers on their way to the front:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1264773,00.jpg

[He219]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8477/610xnx6.jpg

A Russian NTV channel television grab shows Georgian helicopters engaging separatist South Ossetian troops over an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgia is taking measures to prevent Russian "mercenaries" from infiltrating the country, Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said as Georgian forces attacked the Russian-backed separatists in the Georgian province of South Ossetia.
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Georgian soldiers cross the Russian checkpoint near the city of Tskhinvali, 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008. Georgian troops, backed by warplanes, pounded separatist forces on the outskirts of the South Ossetian capital on Friday hours after launching an assault on the breakaway region following a short-lived truce.
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Georgian troops ride in a tank during the conflict with separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgia is taking measures to prevent Russian "mercenaries" from infiltrating the country, Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said
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U.S. President George W. Bush (C) speaks with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (L) as they walk to a banquet at the Great Hall of People in Beijing August 8, 2008. The White House on Friday called for a halt to the bloodshed and for all sides to engage in direct negotiations to resolve the crisis over Georgia's South Ossetia region
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(L-R) Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin speaks with US President George W. Bush before the start of the Opening Ceremony for the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics at the National Stadium on August 8, 2008 in Beijing, China.

[ramthor]

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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev speaks during a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Moscow, Friday Aug. 8, 2008. Medvedev l chaired the session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, vowing that Moscow will protect Russian citizens. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. AP Photo


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Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, right, gestures as he speaks with U.S. President George W. Bush, left, during their meeting in Beijing, China, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. The leaders are in Beijing for the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games. Putin warned Friday that Georgian attacks on South Ossetia will draw retaliation, and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect Russian citizens in the breakaway Georgian province. AP Photo

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A Russian NTV channel television grab shows president of Abkhazia (another breakaway region of Georgia) Sergei Bagapsh commenting on the armed conflict between Georgian troops and separatist South Ossetian troops, outside of Sukhumi on August 8, 2008. Georgia is taking measures to prevent Russian "mercenaries" from infiltrating the country, Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said as Georgian forces attacked the Russian-backed breakaway province of South Ossetia.
os 7 G**** Images

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A Russian NTV channel television grab shows a house destroyed by shelling, the result of the armed conflict between Georgian troops and separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgia is taking measures to prevent Russian "mercenaries" from infiltrating the country, Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said as Georgian forces attacked the Russian-backed breakaway province of South Ossetia. os8 G**** Image

[C.A.S.M.]

Let's be serious, Russian saw this coming a long way back and made the necessary preparations, they've got elite vdv doing the peacekeeping job well organized and equipped on the defence, they've got that shining new material from the victory parade ready for a try-out and they've got the aerial capacity to make Georgia go back to the stone age...

Georgia was hauling and biting, itching for a fight, they flexed their muscles in a surprise attack hoping to get control of the region before Russian reinforcements arrived, if they got full control they could say that the Russian were invading a united and sovereign country and that their peacekeeping job was over, since the tanks are rolling they now have to hurry and try to get some sort of stronghold before being wiped out.

Georgia will suffer and in the end those independent regions fill fly a Russian flag. Georgia initial plans are probably in the recycle bin and Russia is showing the world that when she needs too she can kick some serious ass.

[Grach]

I dont like whats going on down there. I hope there is a negotiated settlement.
Impossible. Misha in his current state of clinical psychosis has other plans. Just to think, instead of addressing his people and looking for a bunker he's giving live interviews to foreign news agencies...rubbing his nose, stuttering, raising voice and all he either wasn't too honest or he was begging for permission to stop.

[signatory]

Let's be serious

Well then, perhaps you wanna keep your armchair opinions out of the STRICTLY Photos & Video section then?

Thanks to those who post pics.

[VPR]

Russia is dragged into another war, I feel sorry for the lads

[He219]

Infractions for all political rants and flaming.
You've been warned.

[Rockthekazbah12]

still seems pretty low key

[Jeancarl]

things are getting ugly there

[ramthor]

http://i34.tinypic.com/1ywd1s.jpg


A Russian NTV channel television grab shows smoke, the result of shelling during the armed conflict between Georgian troops and separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Georgia is taking measures to prevent Russian "mercenaries" from infiltrating the country, Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said as Georgian forces attacked the Russian-backed breakaway province of South Ossetia. G**** Image

http://i33.tinypic.com/fdbq03.jpg


A Russian military vehicle travels through North Ossetia, close to the city of Vladikavkaz, towards South Ossetia early morning, in this video grab August 8, 2008. *******

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mx1pvr.jpg


In this image, made from television , what Russian Channel 1 claims, a convoy of Russian tanks moving towards Tskhinvali in the South Ossetian enclave in Georgia on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. AP Photo

http://i38.tinypic.com/oh03sy.jpg


Russian military vehicles travel through North Ossetia, close to the city of Vladikavkaz, towards South Ossetia in the early morning August 8, 2008 in this video grab from ******* TV. *******

[Mormaeglin]

Maybe People will get now why Germany voted against a direct invitation of the Ukraine into Nato ...
primo, friend, Ukraine is not Georgia those two countries cannot be compared, secundo Georgia lies in local hot spot, Ukraine not, tertio You sounded like you was feeling superior in some way.

[He219]

People, quit reposting the same images.

[sup_tech]

Go Georgia!

Flamebait reported.

[REMOV]

People, quit reposting the same images.This is the war, you know ;)

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

****. war is hell. RIP to all, civilians, georgians, russians and osetians.
My deepes condolences to their famillies and friends...

[Norsu]

ok help me out here, other than the weapon how else can we distinguish georgian troops, and the other troops? Im doing my best to find the small diffrences but its all starting to blend together.

Georgians troops are using MARPAT and 'fritz' helmets. South Ossetians are using Russian camos I think and those big helmets that Russian special forces usually use. This is what I've gathered from photos.

As for tanks, notice that Georgian T-72s don't have shield on commander's NSV while Russian T-72s do. Sometimes neither have them though. Also ERA layout is a bit different on turret. Georgians have ERA bricks that form a wedge around the turret front while Russians have simply covered the turret with ERA.

However look at the third tank in this photo:


http://i35.tinypic.com/2mx1pvr.jpgIt looks like some of the very latest T-72 variants or maybe even T-90.

[Ironsight06]

^ Looks like a T-80 to me...

[Junkelf]

^ Looks like a T-80 to me...

Its a T 72 with ERA

[Tareece]

Quote:
52 mins ago: A Russian Peacekeeping fighter attacks evil Georgian position near the city of Tskhinvali, 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008. Georgia's interior ministry said three Russian jets entered Georgian airspace and "dropped bombs" at two locations just south of breakaway South Ossetia, where fighting raged on Friday.
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I lolled at the caption :)


Laugh all u want...pretty sad seeing how a Russian press release 1400 have died in this "clash"

[Ironsight06]

Its a T 72 with ERA
A picture of a T80 for comparison:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2008/t80004vy2.jpg

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[Churchill_MD]

****. war is hell. RIP to all, civilians, georgians, russians and osetians.
My deepes condolences to their famillies and friends...

the best of few good comments.

it doesn't matter whom do we support - people are dying, and again in a few weeks time, politicians will be shaking hands and embracing each other after having negotiated the peace... but many children won't see their parents ever again... THAT is the sad truth.

[Grach]

Latest from 1tv (in Russian)

The vid is unembeddable
http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_videopage.main?sender=news&p_topic_id=125888&p_video_num=1&counter1_href=287212&counter2_href=id=268366;t=56

Be patient if the content wouldn't load right off.

[skurken]

That won't happen,

The U.S., Britain, NATO ect, will not do anything, beyond words like " We are concerned with this unfortunate situation..., we urge all parties to come to a peacefull solution."

Then maybe, just maybe.. if Russia allows it, the UN might set up a peacekeeping mission.

In any case, The West, is not going to threaten Russia... over Georgia.

So, Russia will pretty much get to do what it wants. Georgia, in the end.. has everything to lose, little to gain.


Spot on ! unless Georgia as at sh*t load of olie to put in the pot.

[Mousepad]

Georgian soldiers with manpads:

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00627/pif_georgien7_BM_Po_627787g.jpg



Correction - S.Osetians with manpads, note camo. Georgians use only US-made: woodland, MarP, some gear in Acu.

It's a Osetian mobile howitzer positon near Tshinvali, as was said in the news.

[Jim Warford]

A picture of a T80 for comparison:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2008/t80004vy2.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mx1pvr.jpg


Just to clarify...your top photo is actually a T-72S (export variant of the T-72B). The tank in question (3rd back in the bottom photo - the TV grab), is almost certainly a T-72BM fitted with K-5 reactive armor. It has many of the same characteristics of the cast-turreted T-90S.

[SrB-23Q]

wow...cant belive war has started

[Pfc. Walnut]

Any videos? Maybe on Youtube?

[socom6]

Keep the pics coming.

Still I hope things dont get out of hand like massacres and widespread bombing of civilian areas.:(

I really want some kind of peace deal to work out. :(

[Pfc. Walnut]

Any videos? - sorry, double post!

[Ironsight06]

Just to clarify...your top photo is actually a T-72S (export variant of the T-72B). The tank in question (3rd back in the bottom photo - the TV grab), is almost certainly a T-72BM fitted with K-5 reactive armor. It has many of the same characteristics of the cast-turreted T-90S.
Case of mislabeling then.

[SrB-23Q]

Any videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7phRb-zbE



uzivajp-)

[DID]

RIP to all the fallens today,
this story is complicated so I wont start saying things under my emotion.
I just have two questions :
-Isn'it Ossetia a part of Georgia so what Russian army doing there?
-And why it happened the day Olympics game started?
I hope that peoples will understand my point. Especially Mr Medvedev and Sakashili, sit together and stop this unessecary war... for the civilians and the peace in the world.
War is ugly, sad and dont deserve anything but interest of some peoples.

[He219]

Correction - S.Osetians with manpads, note camo. Georgians use only US-made: woodland, MarP, some gear in Acu.
Yep, the AP has it correct ..


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In this image, made from a television screen, militants in South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian enclave, armed with shoulder-launched missiles, are seen ready for action against Georgian planes, in South Ossetia,on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008
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In this image, made from television screen, tanks of of South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian enclave, readied for possible action against Georgian troops, in South Ossetia,on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Georgian troops launched a major military offensive Friday to regain control over the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting a furious response from Russia , which vowed retaliation and sent tanks into the Georgian region. Dozens were reported dead.
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In this image, made from television Russian, self-propelled guns moving towards the breakaway South Ossetia republic's capital, Tskhinvali, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008.
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In this image, made from television, invading Russian tanks in the South Ossetian republic's capital, Tskhinvali, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded.

[tanks_alot]

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5156/610xdo9.jpg

Is the Georgian air force defeated already? why are they so concetrated when fighting against a regular army?

[mannelig]

Let the president answer a higher anarchy
Strap him with an Ak-47, let him go, fight his own war
Let him impress daddy that way

(c) Eminem - Mosh

Old song, but the same situation...

[Adux]

That looks like the Arena on those T-80's

[Mr.K]

Anyone knows what is the pruprose of the sand truck in the column?

[CptGonzo]

Filling Sandbags?

Anyhow, rest in piece to everyone who has fallen there.

[Winger]

Anyone knows what is the pruprose of the sand truck in the column?

Filler for sandbags, neutralize mud, or to be used for vehicles that get stuck in mud.

[Norsu]

That looks like the Arena on those T-80's

No T-80s here, just different T-72 variants. And also no Arena, it's just commanders NSV shield.


Anyone knows what is the pruprose of the sand truck in the column?

Russians will likely build some fortifications and sand truck will come in handy then.

[ramthor]

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An armoured vehicle on fire in the separatist capital of South Ossetia Tskhinvali is seen in this image from television footage by RTR Russian Television Channel, August 8, 2008. A South Ossetia minister said more than a thousand people had died in overnight shelling by Georgian forces of their capital Tskhinvali, Russia's RIA news agency reported. *******http://i38.tinypic.com/e84ld1.jpg


An armoured vehicle on fire in the separatist capital of South Ossetia Tskhinvali is seen in this image from television footage by RTR Russian Television Channel, August 8, 2008. A South Ossetia minister said more than a thousand people had died in overnight shelling by Georgian forces of their capital Tskhinvali, Russia's RIA news agency reported. *******http://i33.tinypic.com/289zsc7.jpg


Activists of the Kremlin-backed youth movements and other groups, rally against Georgia's military offensive on the breakaway province of South Ossetia, in front of the Georgian Embassy in Moscow, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting Moscow to send tanks into the region in a furious response that threatens to engulf Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, and Russia in all-out war. AP Photo .

[Jameten]

will this be the new chechnya?

[ramthor]

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Georgian villagers leave their houses near the city of Tskhinvali, about 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 8, 2008. Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili said Georgian forces have taken complete control of Tshkinvali and nearby South Ossetian villages. *******http://i33.tinypic.com/2ronibd.jpg
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[Johan M]

is it true that Georgia is pulling back immediately their troops from Iraq, to help in the fighting?

[Norsu]

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A Russian NTV channel television grab shows President of Georgian breakaway South Ossetia region Eduard Kokoity (R) standing near South Ossetian troops in an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali in the Georgian breakaway South Ossetia region on August 7, 2008.

[Winger]

will this be the new chechnya?

If things keep spiraling out of control it will be much worse.

[Hellfish]

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That looks excessively dangerous to me. If those are military vehicles, as I suspect, they're legitimate targets for any Russian fighter-bombers.

[sup_tech]

is it true that Georgia is pulling back immediately their troops from Iraq, to help in the fighting?

I've seen it on the news but it is not confirmed.

[Zeev]

Some people here were claiming that it was "normal" when the "kosovo" became indepandant, but about the south ossetia, they cry for georgia... what's wrong with you guys? the people of south Ossetia wants to join the Russian Federation, this is their absolute right.. and because of that, Georgians bombs their main town and killed nearly 1000 people!

Russians are far to be angels but they are fvckin right to feel provocated...

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A wounded Georgian soldier was brought to the hospital in Gori. Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Timeshttp://i38.tinypic.com/2qixxmr.jpg

A Georgian soldier walked away from an explosion site in the village of Mereti. Villagers said an unidentified airplane dropped bombs on the outskirts of Mereti, destroying two cars. They said some residents were wounded. Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Timeshttp://i38.tinypic.com/jgiro6.jpg


Georgian troops riding in armored personnel carriers during the conflict with South Ossetian troops near the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali. Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia declared that "war has started" and President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia accused Russia of a "well-planned invasion," saying he had mobilized Georgia's military reserves. Photo: Vano Shlamov/Agence France-Presse -- ***** Imageshttp://i36.tinypic.com/15fsqe1.jpg


Georgian troops fire rockets at separatist South Ossetian troops from an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali. Georgia is a strong American ally whose shift toward the West and pursuit of NATO membership has deeply angered Russia.
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A Russian checkpoint on the way to Tskhinvali was not functioning as usual. The Russian Defense Ministry said it was sending reinforcements to protect its peacekeepers already on the ground there.
Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Times
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A truck with Georgian soldiers passed through a Georgian village near the front line. Georgian forces said Friday that they had won control of the capital of the rebel enclave, South Ossetia, but Russian peacekeepers in the city said they had not seen Georgian troops in the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.
Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Times
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A wounded Georgian soldier is brought to an army hospital in Gori. Separatist leaders in Tskhinvali said casualties were in the hundreds, though the claim was impossible to verify.
Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Times
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A woman related to a soldier cried after he was taken to the army hospital in Gori. South Ossetia gained de facto independence from Georgia in the late 1990s, after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Times
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A Georgian soldier whose battalion just returned from the front line is greeted by a family member. Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week to reclaim the territory.
Photo: Justyna Mielnikiewicz for The New York Times

[Antimatty]

That looks excessively dangerous to me. If those are military vehicles, as I suspect, they're legitimate targets for any Russian fighter-bombers.maybe thats the idea. maybe they are trying to "encourage" civilian casualties so that they get the world on their side .
or maybe that was the only available form of organized evacuation.
who knows.

[Johan M]

I've seen it on the news but it is not confirmed.

hmm, I just read that president Shaakasvili has announced the immediate pull out from Iraq. Bad news.

[ramthor]

Georgian refugees 08Aug08

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A wounded man receives medical attention at a hospital in the separatist capital of South Ossetia Tskhinvali in this image from television footage by ******* Television August 8, 2008. A South Ossetia minister said more than a thousand people had died in overnight shelling by Georgian forces of their capital Tskhinvali, Russia's RIA news agency reported. *******

[ramthor]

That looks excessively dangerous to me. If those are military vehicles, as I suspect, they're legitimate targets for any Russian fighter-bombers.

good point ...

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[calimero2]

That looks excessively dangerous to me. If those are military vehicles, as I suspect, they're legitimate targets for any Russian fighter-bombers.

Look at the licence plates and compare with the ones on the DANA's: those are civilian vehicles. The thing is that often former military trucks are used by civilians, in all former SU states by the way.

[Norsu]

Those are probably old surplus military vehicles that have been given to volunteers helping in evacuation. But I doubt they get bombed if they just drive in large columns together with many civilian vehicles.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

is it true that Georgia is pulling back immediately their troops from Iraq, to help in the fighting?

It's what they said but transporting those men might take a while.

[Ironsight06]

Look at the licence plates and compare with the ones on the DANA's: those are civilian vehicles. The thing is that often former military trucks are used by civilians, in all former SU states by the way.
License plates can't be spotted from the air...

[Hellfish]

Look at the licence plates and compare with the ones on the DANA's: those are civilian vehicles. The thing is that often former military trucks are used by civilians, in all former SU states by the way.

From an SU-24 at 5000m, can you read license plates?


Megaraptor;3450270']It's what they said but transporting those men might take a while.

I'd be interested to know how they'd get them into the country. I've seen the Russians moving in S-300s and with near total air superiority, can Georgia just fly them in?

[kosse]

Filler for sandbags, neutralize mud, or to be used for vehicles that get stuck in mud.

Can also be used in hard terrain when there is need to blow holes for mortar base plates to fill the holes so that the mortar doesn't jump so much and possibly break at the same time while firing. But you wouldn't need so much sand for it.


That looks excessively dangerous to me. If those are military vehicles, as I suspect, they're legitimate targets for any Russian fighter-bombers.

Those old people propably don't have cars and they have to evacuate them somehow. This is my guess..

[CMNot]

Looks like a blue force nightmare for the troops.

And a whole lot worse for the civvies.

[calimero2]

From an SU-24 at 5000m, can you read license plates?

Of course not, that was not the question. Some where saying that military vehicles are used to evacuate civilians and I'm saying that those are civilian vehicles. That's all.

[Hellfish]

Of course not, that was not the question. Some where saying that military vehicles are used to evacuate civilians and I'm saying that those are civilian vehicles. That's all.

Gotcha. Still... I worry about those people.

[kosmos]

Some videos from the BBC web site:

Russian tanks enter S Ossetia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7549594.stm

Georgian jets bomb separatists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548664.stm

[murahochris]

This whole situation seems to be very bizarre to me! Surely Georgia would have known what the Russian response an attack would be. But surely they are not that desperate to to go to war with Russia!!

On the other hand the country is a close ally of the west, and Condolesa Rice visited there recently. Surely the west would have been informed this attack was going to happen? If that is the case then there must be some back up plan.

What is the west's response going to be and who will end up the winners (other than the Russians)? The recent events in Kosovo when the west stood up to Russia and gave Kosovo independance probably encouraged Georgia's belief that the west would stand up to the Russians, but there is very little that the US, Britain or anyone else can do or would want to do at present.

The whole situation seems a little crazy, which is why I'm sure either the Georgian army is the baddest bunch of fighters since the spartans and think they can beat the Russians or else they underestimated the russian response or there is something else going on here that we are yet to be made aware of.

Just my penny's worth!

[DavidDCM]

That looks like the Arena on those T-80's

Arena? T-80? Which pictures are you lookin at? All those pics show rock old T-72 with passive IR and stone-age ERA aka Kontakt-1. The tanks involved are technically 30 years back, on both sides. None of the newest Russian bling-bling is used in Georgia so far.

[ramthor]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wmjh2q.jpg
AP Phote by George Abdaladze


9 mins ago: A Georgian soldier is seen atop an armored vehicle near the city of Tskhinvali, in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. A sudden military offensive by Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, reportedly killed hundreds of people Friday in the separatist region of South Ossetia and threatened to off a wider war with Russia. The fighting started when Georgia launched an attack to retake a breakaway province, followed by Russia sending in tanks and reportedly attacking two air bases in Georgia.
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[Van Gogh]

Nope, very few countries are worth WW3.. Georgia's not one of them.

Americans, Brits, French, Italian, German.. they don't want to die over Georgia.

We spent 50+ years trying NOT to get in a fight with Russia, and you think we'd throw it all away over such a place?!?..

I don't know man. President Bush wants to increase his approval ratings and he's a warhawk at the same time. We might just get involved in this war. My hope is that we don't but its Bush. He's stupid as *uck.

[Norsu]

Arena? T-80? Which pictures are you lookin at? All those pics show rock old T-72 with passive IR and stone-age ERA aka Kontakt-1. The tanks involved are technically 30 years back, on both sides. None of the newest Russian bling-bling is used in Georgia so far.

In this photo there's a Russian T-72 (third in column) with newer ERA, probably Kontakt-5. This version is newer variant of T-72B and is sometimes called T-72BM:


http://i35.tinypic.com/2mx1pvr.jpgOther Russians tank look like older T-72B variants while Georgian T-72s look like T-72AV (note different style in ERA layout when compared to Russian tanks). If someone knows better please correct :).

[Van Gogh]

Georgian troops attacked russian peacekeepers in south ossetia. this is the reason behind this war. I've read alot of crap on this forum as to why the shooting is going on but i just told you. Russian peacekeepers were fired upon in south ossetia by georgians.

don't believe me?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7549971.stm

[DavidDCM]

No, that IS Kontakt-1 armor.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

I don't know man. President Bush wants to increase his approval ratings and he's a warhawk at the same time. We might just get involved in this war. My hope is that we don't but its Bush. He's stupid as *uck.

Oh good grief! A real genius caliber comment.

How is getting involved in a conflict taking place somewhere most in the US have never heard of supposed to help his ratings?

[Norsu]

No, that IS Kontakt-1 armor.

Kontakt-1 can be seen on all other tanks except on the third tank in the column photo I posted. Look carefully and you'll see that it's not Kontakt-1.

[CMNot]

don't believe me?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7549971.stm

No.

That article clearly states, "Russia accuses Georgia of attack". Merely one side of a three sided story...

[DavidDCM]

Ah, now you got me. :-D

Yes that indeed seems to be Kontakt-5.

[aed1980]

Usually i like russian military hardware, but russian tanks look horrible compaired to the west tanks.

Changing subject, i hope this thing ends quickly and peace be restored.
RIP to all the fallen.

[Winger]

This whole situation seems to be very bizarre to me! Surely Georgia would have known what the Russian response an attack would be. But surely they are not that desperate to to go to war with Russia!!

On the other hand the country is a close ally of the west, and Condolesa Rice visited there recently. Surely the west would have been informed this attack was going to happen? If that is the case then there must be some back up plan.

What is the west's response going to be and who will end up the winners (other than the Russians)? The recent events in Kosovo when the west stood up to Russia and gave Kosovo independance probably encouraged Georgia's belief that the west would stand up to the Russians, but there is very little that the US, Britain or anyone else can do or would want to do at present.

The whole situation seems a little crazy, which is why I'm sure either the Georgian army is the baddest bunch of fighters since the spartans and think they can beat the Russians or else they underestimated the russian response or there is something else going on here that we are yet to be made aware of.

Just my penny's worth!

Rice and McCain have spoke up.

[Norsu]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2834/610xyk6.jpgAny better photos of South Ossetia armor? So far we've seen these T-72s with ERA (not sure which variant) and a glimpse of 152mm 2S3.


Also here's a better photo of the Russian tank with Kontakt-5 ERA (second in column)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44904000/jpg/_44904292_9ae5052a-0a18-4851-8863-798c8fa762c2.jpg

[calimero2]

All those pics show rock old T-72 with passive IR and stone-age ERA aka Kontakt-1. The tanks involved are technically 30 years back, on both sides. None of the newest Russian bling-bling is used in Georgia so far.


Other Russians tank look like older T-72B variants while Georgian T-72s look like T-72AV (note different style in ERA layout when compared to Russian tanks). If someone knows better please correct :).

The T-72B is from 1984, I wouldn't call that rock-old. The ones with Kontakt-5 are even from the early 90's. Also note that Georgian T-72AV's appear to have been upgraded with new night vision devices: the big IR search light has been removed. And no, I don't think that could be "battle damage" on all tanks after only one day.

[ramthor]

Any better photos of South Ossetia armor?http://i38.tinypic.com/2jca99j.jpg


A Russian Channel One television grab shows a Georgian tank burning in Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Russia's defence ministry said that more than 10 of its troops deployed as peacekeepers in South Ossetia have been killed amid a Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, Russian news agencies reported. .

[Sauragnmon]

The majority of the tanks the Russians are deploying (since it is only one regiment far as I know, the one associated with the 19th MRD, the 141st Seperate Tank Battallion) would be T-80's, as a breakthrough/deep operations tank. The majority of the forces sent in are Infantry, and all the forces are out of the North Caucasus MD, as if they haven't seen plenty of fighting in recent history, notably Chechnya, which was another case of Georgian mingling in Russian affairs, as they were backing the Chechens. The Georgians, like the Poles, have for a long time delighted in being a thorn in the Russian side, and they're about to pay the price for it, though the Russian mandate is, as far as I know, simply asserting the independance of South Ossetia, where most of the population are already Russian citizens.

And an aside note, A-Tack, he wasn't saying that the war would improve Bush's approval ratings, he was stating that he is both wanting to improve his approval ratings, but is also at the same time a warhawk. The two are not linked statements, he simply didn't punctuate properly. He likely wants to stick his nose into the fight, but at the same time wants to make his ratings go up, which is where we find a dilemma. Go to war, much to the people's annoyance, or stay out and look good to the people.

South Ossetia has wanted to seperate from Georgia for some time now, and the majority of the world has been ignorant of that, so it'd be rather stupid if the world decided to enforce a tyrannical position and try and crush the South Ossetian desire for seperation by supporting the Georgian stance on the matter. Just my two pennies.

[DavidDCM]

The T-72B is from 1984, I wouldn't call that rock-old. The ones with Kontakt-5 are even from the early 90's. Also note that Georgian T-72AV's appear to have been upgraded with new night vision devices: the big IR search light has been removed. And no, I don't think that could be "battle damage" on all tanks after only one day.

The Georgian T-72 still have the old TPN-3 passive IR-sight (see first post on page 9), which means they only have very, very limited night fighting capabilities without the search lights. That might have tactical reasons (IFF, or they do not want to use their search lights to avoid giving away their positions to the Russian tanks). If you look at the tanks you see that the attachment points for the IR-lights are still there. It's only the light itself that is missing.

And the "rock-old" was of course only in comparison to newer Russian technology.

[Pandemonium]

But I must say that the Georgian timing of their attack was perfect, Vladimir Poetin was still in China then, for the opening ceremony

[rafaelcb]

My 2 cents on this:

After Kosovo (serbian province with mostly albanian population) gained independence, Georgia had no option but to invade South Osetia or see it gone forever. Now, it all depends on Russian determination.

[Norsu]

The majority of the tanks the Russians are deploying (since it is only one regiment far as I know, the one associated with the 19th MRD, the 141st Seperate Tank Battallion) would be T-80's, as a breakthrough/deep operations tank.

Still there has been only different T-72 variants in all photos so far.

[wolfrider]

A Russian Channel One television grab shows a Georgian tank...
Russian Channel One also claims this is a Georgian tank
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9307/nockedoutzo3.jpg
Compare with
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[ramthor]

GRAPHIC IMAGE:

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A Russian Channel One television grab shows dead Georgian soldiers lying on the street in Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. Russia's defence ministry said that more than 10 of its troops deployed as peacekeepers in South Ossetia have been killed amid a Georgian offensive in the breakaway region, Russian news agencies reported. G**** Image


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Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008 g**** image

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A Russian NTV channel television grab shows Georgian troops in a tank during the conflict with separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. G**** Image

[calimero2]

The Georgian T-72 still have the old TPN-3 passive IR-sight (see first post on page 9), which means they only have very, very limited night fighting capabilities without the search lights. That might have tactical reasons (IFF, or they do not want to use their search lights to avoid giving away their positions to the Russian tanks). If you look at the tanks you see that the attachment points for the IR-lights are still there. It's only the light itself that is missing.

Here's some information about the upgraded T-72 SIM-1:


Command and control system is installed in the modernized tanks. The system is equipped with a computerized technology that enables the commander and the crew to control and survey the battlefield.

A special navigation system GPS is installed on the vehicle in order to provide additional information to the subordinated crews in the fastest way with the help of Short Message Service (SMS). The navigation system works in any meteorological conditions which makes it different from other GPS systems. Georgia is the first country in the Post-Soviet space which has the T -72 SIM-1 tank that gives an unconditional advantage to our country in the region.

For the gunner a special thermal device has been also installed that can fix and identify any object at a long distance and gives possibility to open fire and destroy the target. (With the old modifications this could be achieved only in good weather conditions).

T -72 SIM-1 tank has the program “Mine-Others’”, in case the target marker is directed towards the owner’s unit the tank warns the crew about the potential mistake with the voice alarm. It can open unexpected fire at approximately 1400 m without measuring the distance that can spare the precious minutes that are decisive at the battlefield.

Thermal device enables the driver to control the road during day and night in adverse weather conditions at several times longer distances compared to the previous modifications.

As to the communication system, the old R173 has been changed by digital tactical radio system FALCON produced by HARRIS Corporation. It has the jumping frequency that decreases the frequency decoding possibility and possesses the encrypted communication system.

The radio station has possibility to communicate within a radius of 20 km and works on UHV frequencies. SMS communication is also available.

"Mine-Others" (from Russian "Svoj-Inoj") means Friend-or-Foe of course.

Source: http://www.georgiatoday.ge/article_details.php?id=4520

[ramthor]

http://i33.tinypic.com/3169q0w.jpg


A Russian NTV channel television grab shows Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili addressing the nation in Tbilisi on August 8, 2008. Saakashvili said the world will be "in trouble" if Russia gets away with its attacks in his country on August 8, 2008."It's like the attack into Afghanistan, in 1979. It's like Czechoslovakia when Soviet and Russian tanks moved in," he told CNN television. ***** image


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A Russian NTV channel television grab shows South Ossetian separatists walking near a burning Georgian tank in Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. South Ossetian separatist leader Eduard Kokoity said hundreds of civilians have been killed in fighting in the breakaway Georgian region, Interfax news agency reported. ***** image

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G**** Image

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South Ossetian separatist troops carry one of their injured in Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. South Ossetian separatist leader Eduard Kokoity said hundreds of civilians have been killed in fighting in the breakaway Georgian region, Interfax news agency reported. osg ***** image
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[Grach]

Russian Channel One also claims this is a Georgian tank
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9307/nockedoutzo3.jpg
Compare with


This image is from period BEFORE Russian tanks got to the area. So....So....So......Did you notice by any chance images of georgian tanks couple pages back wearing ERA bricks?

[siderius]

So far I havent seen any assessment of what is going on on the ground. Lets see, judging by the pics the Georgians have been severely hit inside the capital of SO, possibly ambushed. We can assume they have been kicked out of town and are reportedly "regrouping" outside the capital. Which in the light of the Russian expeditionary force probably means retreating to Georgia proper. The Russians according to the Georgian president sent in 150 vehicles (cant be more than a tank squadron, a battery of SPGs, mech infantry and supporting vehicles). This force will of course not enter Georgia proper but deploy in SO and along its borders. Apart from some sable rattling along the borders of SO and Georgia and some flypasts by the Russian airforce over Tblisi thats probably all there is to this war. Status quo of de facto secession by SO remains for the long term.

Just my two Eurocents.

[Mormaeglin]

I wonder what next dawn will bring..

[Jocker_89]

Sorry for any repost

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[Jocker_89]

More random photos

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[NYCDweller]

Hmmm...

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[drgonzo777]

I'm not an expert in the areia - but as far as I know Osethia is "naturaly closed" teritory from russa. The only rout in is a small mountain vealy - is it true?

If it is - the suply gona be a real horror in a longer term.

Is anybody know - the american army involved or not. I learned as more as a 100 US military adviser based close to Tibilis. Any news from they'r involvment?

[drakegoodman]

Shaping up to be a particularly brutal and protracted conflict, yet it doesn't get a mention on commercial Australian TV (except SBS).

[Hrvoje]

Hmmm...

Hmmm inded
with gun
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5541/16631253lz3.jpg

and no gun
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6858/57053012xb8.jpg

[Brad01]

Shaping up to be a particularly brutal and protracted conflict, yet it doesn't get a mention on commercial Australian TV (except SBS).


Yeah its because of the ****kn crap Olympics:roll:

[airborneinfantry86]

I haven't seen anything about this on the news. Apparently John Edwards having an affair is more important.

The only reason I heard about it is because a friend of mine that just got back from training the ROG army called to tell me about it. He exaggerate on it a little and made it sound like there was an all out Russian blitz to Tbilisi.

In the Georgia National Guard there are a lot of people going over to the Rep. of Georgia, and I always see ROG troops walking around the State HQ. I'm sure some one higher up thought it would be vary funny to have the two Georgias train together.

[CMNot]

Yeah its because of the ****kn crap Olympics:roll:

BBC ran it second behind a firework show. Channel 4 news over here ran it as the headline; people dying and warfare in a resource rich environment within spitting distance of Europe should be headlining.

But no, fireworks...:roll:

[Big Lebowski]

Georgian Aircraft downed. + South Osetia artillery.

http://www.liveleak.com/e/b89_1218230892

[chuckster]

Hey guys, what is your response to this idea: Yes, the Russian army is much, much bigger but the Russian military has a knack for underperforming. Perhaps a determined Georgian army can make a valiant stand and if not win at least make Russia look bad. Look at what happened in Chechnya (sp)?. They managed to trash Grozny really bad but the Chechnians are still there. Georgia might be able to achieve a kind of political win. At lease that may be their best chance.

[kefalo]

Hey guys, what is your response to this idea: Yes, the Russian army is much, much bigger but the Russian military has a knack for underperforming. Perhaps a determined Georgian army can make a valiant stand and if not win at least make Russia look bad. Look at what happened in Chechnya (sp)?. They managed to trash Grozny really bad but the Chechnians are still there. Georgia might be able to achieve a kind of political win. At lease that may be their best chance.
Well of course Chechnians are still there they cant simply exterminate them all. This is a VERY STUPID move on the Georgian government as NOBODY will start WW3 for them, especially US as our economy is not worth **** and we cant afford another all-out war(its just not economically possible). At least not a war against Russia, and with no US digging in nobody else will step-up and help them, so they got what they deserve.

[drgonzo777]

Hey guys, what is your response to this idea: Yes, the Russian army is much, much bigger but the Russian military has a knack for underperforming. Perhaps a determined Georgian army can make a valiant stand and if not win at least make Russia look bad. Look at what happened in Chechnya (sp)?. They managed to trash Grozny really bad but the Chechnians are still there. Georgia might be able to achieve a kind of political win. At lease that may be their best chance.

Nothing similar with Chechna - we talking about a full scale operation not a gerillawar.

The last thin what russa want is a pain in the but war befor the winter.
I'm still convinced - we talkin' about a fast stabilization of power. Armor up the SO forces then Moscov gona invest money about "nonregular" protection.

I heard some of the bordercrossed armored division do not have russian signeing on - those panzers stay there though as "peacekeepin" staff.

[wildcat]

Hmmm inded
with gun


and no gun

I think they have more than one tank.LOL

[CMNot]

Nothing similar with Chechna - we talking about a full scale operation not a gerillawar.

Do some research, then tell me either Chechen war did not involve full scale operations. Or is combined arms at brigade and divisional level not full scale enough?

[drgonzo777]

Hmmm inded
with gun
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5541/16631253lz3.jpg

and no gun
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6858/57053012xb8.jpg


coud be peacekeepng forces from russia, whos abandoned the tank.
I'm still not belive the 1400 death as SO+russian loss. It is too much under 2 day.
Civilians death is still not confirmed... shame on both side. Civil hospital records shoud be reveald!

[Norsu]

Russian Channel One also claims this is a Georgian tank
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9307/nockedoutzo3.jpg

What I've gathered from various sources Georgia has at least following T-72 variants:

T-72AV
T-72B1 with ERA I think (called T-72B1V, it's similar looking to Russian T-72B tanks)
T-72 SIM-1
T-72M

So this can be either Russian or Georgian tank. Here's a good list of T-72 variants with drawings http://www.t-72.de/html/varianten_des_t-72.html and also http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/armored_vehicles/t-72s.htm
(http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/armored_vehicles/t-72s.htm)

[drgonzo777]

Do some research, then tell me either Chechen war did not involve full scale operations. Or is combined arms at brigade and divisional level not full scale enough?

Since whene Chechen army owned 128 Tank as Georgia? Since when the Chechen army had 100an odd artilery??? How long the Chechen airforce last???? 2 hr???

Do some research - Chechna nver have the same capacity then Georgia have! Chechna never have the same political support behind the goverment.

It is only common signs but nothing to compare - see the photos here - then go - and the photos about the chechen rebels arond 2006-2007... Georgia have tanks - they have a Koran and an Ak-47...
not the same man!

[Ought Six]

According to a CNN supposed expert, there is only one road leading over the mountains from Russia to South Ossetia. That would make resupply for Russian armored formations a very difficult proposition. If the Georgians can successfully harrass and compromise their supply lines, the Russian advance could grind to a halt pretty quickly.

[Codazo]

I think they have more than one tank.LOL
x2 lol :):):)

[CMNot]

Since whene Chechen army owned 128 Tank as Georgia? Since when the Chechen army had 100an odd artilery??? How long the Chechen airforce last???? 2 hr???

You've changed the parameters of your argument without addressing the initial issue. How surprising...

[Kangars]

According to a CNN supposed expert, there is only one road leading over the mountains from Russia to South Ossetia. That would make resupply for Russian armored formations a very difficult proposition. If the Georgians can successfully harrass and compromise their supply lines, the Russian advance could grind to a halt pretty quickly.
Your armchair has a crack, be careful!;-)

[Norsu]

There are two possible supply routes. One that goes by the mountains and one that goes through a tunnel named Roki. Not sure if Russians are using just one or both routes as I've read different reports of this.

[The Balkan]

Since whene Chechen army owned 128 Tank as Georgia? Since when the Chechen army had 100an odd artilery??? How long the Chechen airforce last???? 2 hr???

Do some research - Chechna nver have the same capacity then Georgia have! Chechna never have the same political support behind the goverment.

It is only common signs but nothing to compare - see the photos here - then go - and the photos about the chechen rebels arond 2006-2007... Georgia have tanks - they have a Koran and an Ak-47...
not the same man!

No doubt about Chechens having the better moral (back then anyway) though. Exactly cuz they're so outmatched.

[drgonzo777]

You've changed the parameters of your argument without addressing the initial issue. How surprising...

Why you think that? I just try to suggest - Georgia IS a long lasting independent country. Clearly under US influence.

As far I remember the Chechen rebels no got the same international backing then Georgia have. Chechna no got the army what Georgia have. Chechna have issues, but not this kind of teritorial issues...

I might change the parameters of my argument, but for me! it seems like a full scale army operation what we dealing not a gerilla war from the georgian side - and there's a full scale russian army support a nother regular force...
I do not see the simularity jet! You might be right in a longer therm, if this conflict escalate and Georgia occupy the South Ossethian theritory! You might gona be right if gerillas start terror actions inside Georgia.
But jet - it's two regular army fighting.
Supporting my point - the last two days there's a loads of political wow's and statements changed. It is not like the chechen conflict was where was no political disussion in the same level.

I'm absolutely open for your oppinion, cause the caucasia usuly have the same looking hot conflict's. But Jet! I saw two regular army fighting, later it might escalete and go to a gerilla war. If it's happen's - you gona have your point well right!

[kordelas]

Georgia have tanks - they have a Koran and an Ak-47...
not the same man!
Georgians are christians so you schould rather say ,they have Bible and ak-47

[drgonzo777]

No doubt about Chechens having the better moral (back then anyway) though. Exactly cuz they're so outmatched.

The Chechens have the moral background as they been attacked in they'r homeland though.
South Ossethia is mainly lived by russian cityzens if I'm righ. If not - please reply.

[drgonzo777]

Georgians are christians so you schould rather say ,they have Bible and ak-47

my bad english - the original sentence regard "Georgians have tanks - Chechens have the Koran and AK's"

[wildcat]

South Ossethia is mainly lived by russian cityzens if I'm righ. If not - please reply.
I believe the citizens were created by Russia to gain motive, I believe they were handing out passport left right and center.

[drgonzo777]

I believe the citizens were created by Russia to gain motive, I believe they were handing out passport left right and center.


I accept that. Being a civil in a conflict zone is much about survive and less about politic.

[Qandil]

Would russia use this....in the fighting?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Mi%2024/28.jpg

[cinoeye]

Is Nato ready to bomb Georgia? ;)

[He219]

^ Nice irrelavent picture.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4566/610xaf9.jpg

A Russian NTV channel television grab Georgian helicopters moving against separatist South Ossetian troops at an unnamed location not far from Tskhinvali on August 8, 2008. A Russian military convoy entered the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia on Friday, Russia's three main news agencies reported, citing witnesses.
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A column of Russian armored vehicles, headed towards the breakaway Georgian republic of South Ossetia's capital Tskhinvali, is seen in North Ossetia, Russia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008
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Local residents look at a Russian armored vehicle heading towards the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, in North Ossetia, Russia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia sent columns of tanks and reportedly bombed Georgian air bases Friday after Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, threatening to ignite a broader conflict. Hundreds of civilians were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won defacto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated.
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Russian soldiers are seen atop an armored vehicle at an unknown location in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. A sudden military offensive by Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, reportedly killed hundreds of people Friday in the separatist region of South Ossetia and threatened to off a wider war with Russia. The fighting started when Georgia launched an attack to retake a breakaway province, followed by Russia sending in tanks and reportedly attacking two air bases in Georgia.


Hmmm inded
with gun
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5541/16631253lz3.jpg

Isn't that a Kord HMG (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg24-e.htm)?
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4076/610xtd5.jpg

A Russian soldier looks on while sitting atop a tank at an unknown location in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008
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Part of a projectile is seen at the site of a Georgian strike, at an unknown location in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia sent columns of tanks and reportedly bombed Georgian air bases Friday after Georgia launched a military offensive to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, threatening to ignite a broader conflict. Hundreds of civilians were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated.
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South Ossetian separatist militants are seen at an unknown location in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia, Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. A surprise military offensive by Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia reportedly killed hundreds of people Friday, triggering a ferocious counterattack from Russia that threatened to plunge the region into full-scale war.


Is Nato ready to bomb Georgia? ;)
No, perhaps Russia for invading Georgia.
:p

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

I'm still not belive the 1400 death as SO+russian loss. It is too much under 2 day.
Civilians death is still not confirmed... shame on both side. Civil hospital records shoud be reveald!


Betcha they have some catching up to do on the records

[Sousuke]

This totaly sucks...reminds me somewhat of Kosovo, but the situation is different now. Russia has all rights to be pissed off, Georgia was asking for it...Its sad that in every conflict civilians get to pull the shortest straw...Why the hell bombard the center of a town!? Especialy on the day of the opening of the Olimpics!?! Asses...

[fox_111]

Would russia use this....in the fighting?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Mi%2024/28.jpg

Ohh, that look nasty. It's the first time I see a 3 multi-barrel gun pod.

[MZKT]

Isn't that a Kord HMG (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg24-e.htm)?
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4076/610xtd5.jpg

:p

No, it's an NSVT HMG. Kords are installed only on russian T-90. T-72s of all three sides have NSVT.

However it's almost sure the burning tank in Tshinvali is a georgian one. At the point the photo was taken the russian column was still north of the city heading to the front line. The small South Ossetian tank force was evading an engagement and moved north to unite with 58th army columns.
On the other side it's known that South Ossetian Infantry extensively used RPGs in the first hours of battle, the phtoto seems to be the result. Apparently Georgian tanks had as few luck with entering prepared separatist city as russians in Grozny 1995. According to some reports the first georgian armor columns to have entered the city are already completely destroyed by South Ossetians (without any russian involvement).

[LEB101]

russia is a hypocrite they fight chechnya becuase its a sepratist country and they want it back but they wont aloow georgia to get what belongs to it back

[He219]

Roger that MZKT.

They look very similar .. just learned the - difference?
;)

[wolfrider]

This image is from period BEFORE Russian tanks got to the area. So....So....So......Did you notice by any chance images of georgian tanks couple pages back wearing ERA bricks?
What area? Do you recognize from this picture where it is? It could be anywjere. And first Russian convoy left North Osetia at the night.


What I've gathered from various sources Georgia has at least following T-72 variants:
T-72AV
T-72B1 with ERA I think (called T-72B1V, it's similar looking to Russian T-72B tanks)
T-72 SIM-1
T-72M
So this can be either Russian or Georgian tank.
You are right, it could be. But when I see at photos dozens Georgians tanks and none of them is T-72B and two Russians convoys including almost only T-72B it hard to believe it is a Georgian tank.

[akd]

Georgian Aircraft downed. + South Osetia artillery.

http://www.liveleak.com/e/b89_1218230892

90% sure that is Russian artillery...

[drgonzo777]

What area? Do you recognize from this picture where it is? It could be anywjere. And first Russian convoy left North Osetia at the night.


You are right, it could be. But when I see at photos dozens Georgians tanks and none of them is T-72B and two Russians convoys including almost only T-72B it hard to believe it is a Georgian tank.


I belive it is a Russian tank ano'l. My expreiences tells me - there's an amount of abandoned equipment when you pull back for order. It is happend in the balkan as well - we pulled back - hours later the abandoned equipment been brodcasted by the "media" as destroyed stuff... yeah it was destroyed indeed. One tank burbed out and 3 more arrived to replace.

War is about moneylandering. Don't forget!

[Ought Six]

K:
"Your armchair has a crack, be careful!"I am overwhelmed by the avalanche of factual material in your response. You obviously have a far better grasp of the situation from your own more sturdily-built armchair.

[MZKT]

russia is a hypocrite they fight chechnya becuase its a sepratist country and they want it back but they wont aloow georgia to get what belongs to it back

You forget that Russia granted Chechnya independence, while Geirgia did not to Ossetia and Abchasie. Chechnya lost it's independence only after they raided neighbouring russian republics Dagestan and Ingushetia.

BTW When talking about hypocrisy, don't forget who opened pandora's box with separatism support. For the Georgia-supporting NATO Kosovo separatism was good, now how they will explain Ossetia that their separatism is of a bad sort?

[drgonzo777]

You forget that Russia granted Chechnya independence, while Geirgia did not to Ossetia and Abchasie. Chechnya lost it's independence only after they raided neighbouring russian republics Dagestan and Ingushetia.

BTW When talking about hypocrisy, don't forget who opened pandora's box with separatism support. For the Georgia-supporting NATO Kosovo separatism was good, now how they will explain Ossetia that their separatism is of a bad sort?

they don't! Shakashvili do not explain - he crys a river in the media... help me!! help me!!
- shoudn't start military offensive at the same time whith the Olipmic games... Bush mobile is turned of regarding to the high Chines inteligents.
There's nobody out there to help pal :(

[ramthor]

.
VOA News, 09 Aug 08:


Georgia's Ambassador Irakli Alasania told the (UN Security) council that he had just received word that Russian bombers were attacking more targets in Georgia and another breakaway republic, Abkhazia.



"Right now, as we speak, Russian bombers are bombing the Poti port, which is the western port of Georgia. As well as Senaki airfield, which was bombed numerous times today. And of course -- it was quite anticipated from my side -- that we should have some kind of provocation in Abkhazia as well. We are seeing the bombing of Kodori region of Upper Abkhazi," he said.


He said Georgian government buildings in Tblisi were being evacuated because they anticipate more attacks.

.

[Arian]

Why are people talking so much about Kosovo here? Once more, you're getting it wrong :)

[Son of Damian]

http://m.onet.pl/_m/dc89508f56b2e240e0034057e9d91f26,21,1.jpg


He is wearing MARPAT and Russian peacekeeper badges (MC), is this guy Russian or Georgian?

Judging by the pics so far I bet there is going to be a lot of blue on blue in this conflict.

[SrB-23Q]

russia is a hypocrite they fight chechnya becuase its a sepratist country and they want it back but they wont aloow georgia to get what belongs to it back

America isn't any better nothing new here...move along p-)

[wildcat]

He is wearing MARPAT and Russian peacekeeper badges (MC), is this guy Russian or Georgian?

Judging by the pics so far I bet there is going to be a lot of blue on blue in this conflict.
Man he needs to do some PT.

[Origin]

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6480/340xzx6.jpg
What type is the Rifle he's carring ? I mean on his back , not the RPK.

[He219]

http://m.onet.pl/_m/dc89508f56b2e240e0034057e9d91f26,21,1.jpg
He is wearing MARPAT and Russian peacekeeper badges (MC), is this guy Russian or Georgian?
Georgian
;)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2469/fatmanph6.jpg

[marlowe]

What type is the Rifle he's carring ? I mean on his back , not the RPK.

It looks like SAKO TRG.

[Andarius-Militarius]

I'm wondering if there are any more photos of Russian soldiers. The Georgian troops look very modern by former-soviet standards (kevlar helmets and digital camo, probably donated). Is the 58th Russian army in any way different?

[Origin]

It looks like SAKO TRG.

Thanks man !

[Qandil]

russia is a hypocrite they fight chechnya becuase its a sepratist country and they want it back but they wont aloow georgia to get what belongs to it back
The whole world has double standards mate, the Americans supporting Kosovo but they wont do the same for the Kurds or the ossetians, it is a sick world we living in....

[Hrvoje]

I think they have more than one tank.LOL

Well non of Georgian tanks have NSVT gun
pic from page 9
http://i33.tinypic.com/wmjh2q.jpg
pic from page 1
http://i34.tinypic.com/16arxwy.jpg

[He219]

The whole world has double standards mate, the Americans supporting Kosovo but they wont do the same for the Kurds or the ossetians, it is a sick world we living in....
Stiuations are unique, like StukaJr wrote of 90's breakaway Chechnya.
Here Russia is allied with separatists in Georgia.
The US also favors Tibetian autonomy, so quit your ranting.

This is a photos & video thread afterall ..

[StukaJr]

Well non of Georgian tanks have NSVT gun
pic from page 9
http://i33.tinypic.com/wmjh2q.jpg


Is it not possible that MG's are taken down for transport? Or that the MG can't be seen from the angle in the way it's positioned? Just because it's not "hard like a rock and pointing straight up" - doesn't mean it's not there

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6752/tempux1.jpg

That's the "whatever thingie" of the MG Mount. Image grab is from the video that can be found here:

http://www.life.ru/video/4932 - select third video. About 3/4 through, it's the tank that has "SIMI" on the mudflap.

The MG could also be pointed towards the rear (the photographer's vantage point is from the ground up) so you can't see the MG from the angle.

Here are some random shots of T-72's with their MG's in the position which wouldn't be seen from the angle of the Georgian tanks are photographed in (and with commander's hatch open):

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6955/temp02pu1.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tempzj3.png

Does this solve the mystery and can I have a cookie?

[Player]

I don't know if this has been posted before but in this video at 0:50 you can see Georgian forces shooting at people (S.Ossetian separatists I guess).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoiT-UDvGI

You can watch higher quality video here on CNN website (http://edition.cnn.com/video/) just choose "Georgian warplane destroyed" video.

[machinegun_gogo]

Interesting reading on the subject:
a). Did the U.S. Prep Georgia for War with Russia? (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html)
b). Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358)

[wildcat]

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[Ronguild]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6752/tempux1.jpg

That's the "whatever thingie" of the MG Mount. Image grab is from the video that can be found here:


K10-T reflex visor.

[StukaJr]

K10-T reflex visor.


Thanks for the correct designation.

[Jocker_89]

Would russia use this....in the fighting?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Mi%2024/28.jpg

These are Chech's Mi-24

[Afro-European]

http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/22/115802281.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_2.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/23/115802335.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_3.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/24/115802461.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_9.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/27/115802715.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_10.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/25/115802572.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_11.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/26/115802604.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892-others.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/26/115802693.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_4.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/23/115802370.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_6.html)
http://img.rian.ru/images/11580/25/115802519.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080807/115804892_7.html)

[calimero2]

- select third video. About 3/4 through, it's the tank that has "SIMI" on the mudflap.

It's SIM1 and it means that it's an upgraded T-72 SIM-1.

[wild_wild_wes]

I saw one pic earlier today of Georgian troops (reservists?) in trucks going to the front, and armed with bolt-action rifles. Anyone else see it?

[gayarabianman]

Not being funny here but ffs, the media covering this war are going on as if it is fun with all the coverage their making.
It's war you idiots not a playground game, people die, It's as if there glamorising war to be good or something.
Jesus.

[Art-spb]

Today's picture from http://lenta.ru/photo/2008/08/09/ossetia/ (sorry for low resolution)

[pacifist]

****ing insane. What's the point of this stupid war? Is there oil in South Osetia?

[Afro-European]

http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/60/115886024.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714_2.html)


Georgian forces have been shelling and firing on the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali and local villages, with civilians killed and wounded. Women and children are being evacuated from the conflict zone to nearby Russian regions


http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/59/115885967.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714_3.html)


A total of 1,264 people, including 852 children, have arrived in North Ossetia from the conflict zone of South Ossetia. Another 400 children will be accepted by the Don Cossack Host in Russia’s Rostov Region and the North Caucasus Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, each taking 200.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/59/115885957.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714_4.html)


The shooting in the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict zone has led to many South Ossetian residents killed


http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/60/115886019.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714_5.html)


The evacuation from the Georgian-Ossetian conflict zone started overnight on August 2, after Georgian forces began intensive shelling and sniping of Tskhinvali’s residential districts, which led to the seriously aggravated situation in the breakaway region of South Ossetia.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/60/115886012.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714-others.html)


Georgian-South Ossetian conflict zone. Evacuation

[gayarabianman]

****ing insane. What's the point of this stupid war? Is there oil in South Osetia?
Exacley :(
Absolutly shocking to say the least, all these poor people trying to live normal lives displaced because of some "idiotic" politicians who are on one :(
And trhe troops for that matter, the world is officially in destructive times.

[PILMAN]

I'm hearing conflicting reports but wikipedia claims that Israel has ceased shipments of arms to Georgia as of August 5th which included orders of 450 UAV's, Merkava-2 tanks (didn't think they exported these), helicopters (again didn't think they exported), 70 million rounds of ammunition, and TAR-21 (Tavor) assault rifles.

Another article claims Georgia denys the freezing of shipments, anyone know?

[gayarabianman]

TBILISI, Aug 9 (*******) - Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili will declare martial law in a few hours time, the secretary of Georgia's Security Council said early on Saturday.

"The president is going to declare a state of martial law within a few hours," Kakha Lomaia told *******. "Russia has bombed the (Black Sea) port of Poti and the military base at Senaki. We think Russia has started to bomb civil and economic infrastructure."
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L8218534.htm

[Qandil]

These are Chech's Mi-24
Yes I know, but it is a russian weapon pod too, if they gonna use it in this war, may god help the Georgians...p-)

[DID]

http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/02012008/1583425/GAR13_wa.jpg

http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/02012008/1583385/MOSB139_wa.jpg

http://mad.walla.co.il/archive/461369-5.gif

here some pictures...

[gayarabianman]

A totally un needed war.

[Johnny bazooka]

by the time the Georgian troops from Iraq have arrived, Georgia is dead meat!

[kosse]

A photo from Gori, Georgia that was hit by Russian air force:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/412/1135238466760kf1.jpg

[Amethystfretchen]

interesting. (repost from page 1)
http://i33.tinypic.com/2zg8779.jpghttp://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55076&d=1218196885

[mannelig]

Russia won`t attack Georgia. These troops are just reinforcement for peacekeepers to bring peace back to the region.

[mannelig]

A photo from Gori, Georgia that was hit by Russian air force:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/412/1135238466760kf1.jpg

Where were those photographers, when Georgian troops bombed S. Ossetia?
Oh, I forgot...those evil ruskies..

[Eggy]

Russia won`t attack Georgia. These troops are just reinforcement for peacekeepers to bring peace back to the region.
Are you serious? :roll:

[Martel]

All those Russia/Georgia/Osetia/Borduria/Syldavia threads should be merged ...

[Afro-European]

http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/worldnews/pp_20080808_georgia_russia/photo02.jpg

Georgian troops fire rockets at a South Ossetian separatist territory near a settlement in Ergneti.


http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/worldnews/pp_20080808_georgia_russia/photo03.jpg

A Russian fighter attacks a Georgian position near the city of Tskhinvali.


http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/worldnews/pp_20080808_georgia_russia/photo10.jpg

Georgian girls cry as they examine a list of the wounded in the armed conflict between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists.

[AWACS]

Same as usual - someone is pushing flags across the table and normal people are loosing homes and lives. I expect that sometime in the future one of the sides start realising statements like "to liberate that village, we unfortunatelly had to level it with arti shelling". Makes me sick...:-(

[Hilbert]

http://img.rian.ru/images/11588/60/115886024.jpg (http://www.en.rian.ru/photolents/20080808/115888714_2.html)


Powerful photo right there. My thoughts and prayers go to the refugees, civilians unlucky enough to get caught in the mess, and to the families of the soldiers (on both sides).

[holyfetzer]

Burning house in Gori:

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BE5D2F1E1-748F-4B5E-B08E-CB518D2D2C59%7DPicture.jpg

Dead civilians in Gori:

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BB61549AF-F725-41AB-9E1F-F8337C785194%7DPicture.jpg
http://www.faz.net/m/%7B4E820F4C-3D65-4EC4-8FDF-B64062D48197%7DPicture.jpg

New Georgian forces prepare for battle:

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BA1049BAB-20D1-4647-BE5C-13BCA8C46095%7DPicture.jpg

[polish_combat]

Russia won`t attack Georgia. These troops are just reinforcement for peacekeepers to bring peace back to the region.
Nice joke- Russian peacekeepers! It is only a chance for Russia to stop Georgia moving to UE and NATO now and Russia do it by sending more troops to Osetia. How will Russia feel if some state would recognize Chechenia?

[mannelig]

Nice joke- Russian peacekeepers! It is only a chance for Russia to stop Georgia moving to UE and NATO now and Russia do it by sending more troops to Osetia. How will Russia feel if some state would recognize Chechenia?

As i remember - 12 Russian PKs were killed by direct fire of Georgian artillery at friday morning. What else Russia can do in this situation?:bash:

[Art-spb]

Pictures from http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3452492#post3452492 and http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2690854.html

http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtp4a5.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtq82h.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtrysr.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtszg7.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtty8h.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtwapd.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtxz3b.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gtzawr.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gw048g.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gw1p8x.jpg

[zxc]

hmm , ok I dont know where the other thread went so I'll ask it here? Wats going on right now? Last thing i heard was yesterday night when Georgians were shelling S.Ossetian capital.

[skurken]

Nice joke- Russian peacekeepers! It is only a chance for Russia to stop Georgia moving to UE and NATO now and Russia do it by sending more troops to Osetia. How will Russia feel if some state would recognize Chechenia?

Serios there are Russian peacekeepers in S.Osetia thees are the ones whit an MC bagde on there Uniforms garding they border to Georgia. It was repported yestoday that som Russian MC forces was bomde by Georgia Airforce in that begining of the war, and whats was, was kick started Russian trop movment and Russian offensiv.

[Art-spb]

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[Military-G]

^ Not really necessary at all is it :roll:

[zxc]

http://www.*******.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?articleId=USL768040420080809&channelName=newsOne#a=17

Looks like the Backfire is in action. :D Or maybe its the Su-24?

[Kojo]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8229/picturemn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So what is this supposed to suggest, other than you being a fool?

[Analogue Marine]

So what is this supposed to suggest, other than you being a fool?

I beleive this image was uploaded to the website of ministry of foreign affairs of georgia by russian hackers who defaced it.

[Kojo]

I beleive this image was uploaded to the website of ministry of foreign affairs of georgia by russian hackers who defaced it.


Nevermind I solved it, it's like "find the differences" and I found it ...one got a mustache and the other doesn't! :)

[Art-spb]

So what is this supposed to suggest, other than you being a fool?
Mr. Saakashvili attacked the South Osetia on all canons of blitzkrieg. You see the similarities, except mustache? ;)

[Stonewall71]

Maybe now the american puppet shakashvili will get what he deserves:roll:

[Afro-European]

Mr. Saakashvili attacked the South Osetia on all canons of blitzkrieg. You see the similarities, except mustache? ;)
You may get an infraction from the mod(s) if you don't remove them as some people may see it as a flamebait.

[Norsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSHgpGaxH-Y&feature=user

Footage from Akbhazian border. Man with a white shirt is the president of Akbhazia.

[Kojo]

Mr. Saakashvili attacked the South Osetia on all canons of blitzkrieg. You see the similarities?

Not sure what you mean with "on all canons of blitzkrieg" , assuming you are talking about the blitzkrieg tactic used by Georgians (not really agreeing there) abd by Hitler aswell (but on a totally different level) Yeh sure there is simularities i guess, but that's like saying we are all like Hitler, because Hitler used the toilet just like us . (anyway this **** is offtopic)