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emiljoe
08-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Where Are the Marchers for Peace? :roll:



http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3455

I wonder is there the slimmest of chance to see millions of exalted young people passionately marching for peace in Georgia… It shouldn't be too much of an effort. All they have to do is brush the dust off from the "not in our name", "no blood for oil", "war is not the answer", etc placards, paste Vladimir Putin’s and Dmitri Medvedev’s faces over Bush’s or Blair’s on the "worst ever", "mass murderer" and "real terrorist" placards and voila! ready to march for peace. Preferably in millions, preferably in Moscow, to ram the message through to Putin and Medvedev.
I am also wondering, will we hear of passionate peace activists, who are determined to go and chain themselves to Georgian government buildings and other such sites to offer human shield against malicious and deliberate bombing by Russian planes on civilian targets. Anyone? Also, it would be refreshing to see similar sense of outrage and hysteria on the part of western media that we witness when American planes hit a "wedding party", armed to their teeth, when reporting bombings of apartment buildings and markets by Russian air forces in Georgia. I cannot help but notice a certain lack of urgency in underlining such reports. Plus, has anyone warned already that the Russian military invasion of its tiny neighbor is bound to stir up anti-Russian sentiment and create a groundswell for Georgians to recruit young people to their cause? When will the Russians catch their first English citizen who has grown a beard, converted to Georgian Christianity and adopted the name Johnadze Smithinashvili?
Ah, who am I kidding? It is one thing to march against the country that liberated half of Europe and kept it that way for the following 50 years. It is quite another to march against a nation that enslaved half of Europe and kept it under a bloody slavery for 50 years. I can see the morally bankrupt relativist lefty loonies massing to the streets to protest the overthrow of a regional warmonger who managed to kill at least half a million of his own citizens in a few decades. It takes no courage to stand up against that, only vast amounts of ignorance and selfadoration. To stand up against real threats and serious challenges, however – well, most people pass the chance.
Everyone knew how hollow and hypocritical were the mass demonstrations for Saddam and peace, against Bush and war. But I would like to rub it under their nose anyway, given the chance.

Kilgor
08-13-2008, 11:32 PM
Its not who you are, its about who does it to you.

Lambert58
08-13-2008, 11:39 PM
You forget that all the hippie liberal anti war protesters here in the US are pro-communist, pro-chavez, pro-clooney, pro-obama, pro-che, pro-worker, pro-dumbass.

They would never dare oppose the Great Soviet.

WarDancer
08-14-2008, 12:01 AM
The revival of the Soviet Union is the greatest thing the libs could hope for. It is, in their minds, a counter weight to American Hegemony.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
08-14-2008, 12:06 AM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.

Hilbert
08-14-2008, 12:25 AM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.

Quoted for truth.

seraosha
08-14-2008, 12:25 AM
And the liveleak vids?

Sorry, but if it's happening, we'd have seen it here.

Mu-Meson
08-14-2008, 01:14 AM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.

2% is a pretty damn tiny minority, Min.


Over the weekend, the Levada Center conducted a poll of 2,100 people in Russia and reported that 71 percent of the respondents sided with South Ossetia and sympathized with its separatist goals. Only 2 percent expressed sympathy for Georgia's stance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202881.html?nav=rss_world

Abaddon
08-14-2008, 01:57 AM
You mean there's actually a nation out there that's not filled with hippies and has the necessary will to prosecute, and win, a war? How dare they. :slap:

Henry's Fork
08-14-2008, 05:45 AM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.


Well if that were the case, wouldnt there be at least a couple of Russians here on the forum, or any forum for the matter that spoke out against it?

I have yet to see any. But will gladly rejoice to see some, even if they will be a very very very very tiny miniscule minority.

And i get a chuckle when i hear that we Americans are blind nationalists.

Thats the great thing about the intarweb, there is no more here and there, its all available for the world to see.

budgie
08-14-2008, 06:57 PM
You forget that all the hippie liberal anti war protesters here in the US are pro-communist, pro-chavez, pro-clooney, pro-obama, pro-che, pro-worker, pro-dumbass.

They would never dare oppose the Great Soviet.


There's not a lot of point in demonstrating against an undemocratic government's actions because they don't listen. Demonstration is used in western democracies precisely because it might encourage leaders to do something about a problem, or the leaders of allies to consider them. Putin doesn't listen to Americans does he?

jupiter
08-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Where is Hugo Chavez and his ant-imperialism diatribas now?

DaveDash
08-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Where is Hugo Chavez and his ant-imperialism diatribas now?

Can you imagine if the U.S. invaded Venizualia under the guise of peace keeping, next time Chavez tries to clean house?

There would be international outrage. Every time the Russians on this forum start complaining about propaganda I can't help but chuckle. They have NO idea.

Most people here in Australia I know arn't even aware, or give a cr*p about this conflict, despite the fact it may be a turning point in history. It just goes to show that most people don't really care what goes on in the world, provided there is no chance to bash the U.S., or to rally behind some poor people the U.S. is oppressing (that they never cared about before).

It actually makes me sick.


There's not a lot of point in demonstrating against an undemocratic government's actions because they don't listen. Demonstration is used in western democracies precisely because it might encourage leaders to do something about a problem, or the leaders of allies to consider them. Putin doesn't listen to Americans does he?

LOL. This is the single most time when people around the world SHOULD be demonstrating. By not, you're just showing that you ACCEPT tyranny and aggression from any other country except the U.S. What kind of message do you think this sends to Russia? THINK.

Paya
08-14-2008, 08:52 PM
What kind of message do you think this sends to Russia? THINK.
That as long as they don't do anything on the scale of Iraq they're home free?

During the Cold war, both the US and the SU were loathed around the world for their participation in the wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan, respectively. Those wars lasted about a decade each. Israel, on the other hand, whose wars lasted a few days, was the world's darling until the '90s.

Short conflicts, such as the one in Georgia, rarely invoke world condemnation, or even interest, regardless of their significance. Long ones like Iraq, however, are a PR nightmare.

Klatuu
08-15-2008, 12:40 PM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.

That's odd, I have this device in my living room called a "television" that displays moving images broadcast from places very far away. At least as far as Mars. I thought everyone knew about this device?

Using this "television", I am able to view events from all over the world, including protests for and against the USA.

:)


There's not a lot of point in demonstrating against an undemocratic government's actions because they don't listen.

+1

Also, sometimes they put you in jail or kill you.

Thor
08-15-2008, 02:06 PM
Ahm hello. It's a Russian operation not an American operation. Don't worry there would be Russians just as opposed to the war in Georgia as there was against Bush and Iraq.

We just don't see it because we are here and they are there.
Soviet Union was behind/sponsored much of the "peace movement" in Europe in the 1970's and 1980's.

NATO = bad
Warsaw Pact = good