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m.i.t
08-20-2008, 02:07 PM
Today l have seen at the news "Denmarks are happiest nation" in the world..They are also 26. th nation in suicide rate list of the world in the wiki.

But l found much more interesting statics about suicide rates...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

1http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Flag_of_Lithuania.svg/22px-Flag_of_Lithuania.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Lithuania.svg) Lithuania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania) 70. 114 .040 . 22004
2http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Flag_of_Belarus.svg/22px-Flag_of_Belarus.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Belarus.svg) Belarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus) 63.310.335.12003
3http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_of_Russia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Russia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) 61.610.734.32004
4http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg) Kazakhstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan) 51.08.929.22003
5http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Flag_of_Hungary.svg/22px-Flag_of_Hungary.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Hungary.svg) Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary) 44.912.027.72003
6http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_Guyana.svg/22px-Flag_of_Guyana.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Guyana.svg) Guyana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana) 42.512.127.22003
7http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Flag_of_South_Korea.svg/22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_South_Korea.svg) South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate&printable=yes#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate&printable=yes#cite_note-2)N/AN/A26.12005
8http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Flag_of_Slovenia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Slovenia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Slovenia.svg) Slovenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia) 37.913.925.62004
9http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Flag_of_Latvia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Latvia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Latvia.svg) Latvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia) 42.98.524.3200

firts 10 have 5 ex-soviet republics which are 1th 2th 3th 4th and 9th.

Really sad view.

Chimera
08-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Thats soviet nostalgia...leaves you with no hopes for a better world..

TallGuy
08-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Strange to see Belgium so high on the list. Finland is also surprisingly high on the list....

Mu-Meson
08-20-2008, 03:06 PM
China seems to have the most comparable rates between men and women, whereas all other nations have larger proportion being males. Is that some kind of cultural thing? Side effect of one-child policies favouring boys, maybe?

Baboon
08-20-2008, 03:20 PM
Thats soviet nostalgia...leaves you with no hopes for a better world..

More like a harsh welcome to the free market.

walford
08-20-2008, 04:12 PM
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan in top 5, High five!

http://crashtheconventions.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/borat.jpg

Chimera
08-20-2008, 04:18 PM
More like a harsh welcome to the free market.

I was joking guys...

Ordie
08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
Not surprised about Hungary.
They are the most depressing people I've met.

They are never satisfied or happy.

As for the Chinese, expect the numbers to go up. Single child policy leads to alot of pressure and expectations to succeed. If they are not met, (i.e. university entrance exams) depression and suicide are the tragic outcomes.

Or they spend their entire lives in cyberspace at internet cafes.

nullterm
08-20-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm a bit surprised to see South Korea in there so high.

0rphie
08-20-2008, 04:24 PM
Finland is also surprisingly high on the list....
I would also kill myself if we had 9-month winter. Sorry Finnish friends I am trying to joke :)

lightfire
08-20-2008, 04:25 PM
Yes, I am a sad panda fron Sadpanda country :(

0rphie
08-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Not surprised about Hungary.
They are the most depressing people I've met.

They are never satisfied or happy.

As for the Chinese, expect the numbers to go up. Single child policy leads to alot of pressure and expectations to succeed. If they are not met, (i.e. university entrance exams) depression and suicide are the tragic outcomes.

Or they spend their entire lives in cyberspace at internet cafes.
I have not met many Hungarian people but the ones whom I knew were not depressed but rather perfectionists, they wanted things perfect if if they were not it made them sad.

Rudolph
08-20-2008, 04:55 PM
I have not met many Hungarian people but the ones whom I knew were not depressed but rather perfectionists, they wanted things perfect if if they were not it made them sad.

They have produced some terrific scientific minds.

South Korea. Mmmh, don't know. Maybe the North-Korean threat is knawing on them, but then how would the average Israeli, or white African feel?

Mr.K
08-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Thats soviet nostalgia...leaves you with no hopes for a better world..

hahahaa good onerofl

pascalywood
08-20-2008, 06:39 PM
im not surprised to see Japan in 10th

Hutz
08-20-2008, 06:59 PM
Funny we don't see North Korea there, wonder what it's place would be.

Silent Reader
08-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Funny we don't see North Korea there, wonder what it's place would be.


In North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea), suicide is considered treason against the party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Front_for_the_Reunification_of_the_Fatherland) and is punishable by death.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Due to Kim Il Sung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Il_Sung)'s decree that the seed of class enemies should be destroyed to the third generation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation), families of persons who have committed suicide are sent to labor camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_camp) with life sentences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_sentence).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]according to wikipedia ^^

so either hardly anyone dares to commit suicide because of their families.. or they might have lots of "extended suicides" (correct English?) where one first kills the family and then himself i would guess

ColinP
08-20-2008, 07:16 PM
Strange to see Belgium so high on the list. Finland is also surprisingly high on the list....


I am sure if you did your polling on a Monday in Finland, most of the population would be depressed and hung over. :)
As for Belgium, I suspect waking up every morning and turning on the news to see if your country didn't collapse overnight would get depressing.

Evolv5
08-20-2008, 07:17 PM
What a coincidence, I was looking at this yesterday.
I'm not actually surprized to see Belgium in the top 20.
Some guys were trying to jump off a crane in town a couple of weeks ago.

The think about Brussels (I don't know about the rest) is that, well, most days of the year the sky is this awkward gray color, and the sun light that comes through makes everything erry.

Military-G
08-20-2008, 07:24 PM
How can the Russians and Hungarians be so depressed with such beautiful women everywhere ... Maybe its the guys that are depressed because they cant get the women ... or maybe they interviewed only the women ... ah well .. p-)

farmerboy
08-20-2008, 07:30 PM
wow Philippines is 84. people here are so poor, they don;t have money stuff to kill themselves with. :(

WCF.KAS
08-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Damn as a lithuanian american this depresses me...........but not enough to kill myself

thank god im only half

matthew.manhorn
08-20-2008, 07:48 PM
Reason for South Korea = PC GAMES

Mr.K
08-20-2008, 07:57 PM
Reason for western countries : Mo' money, mo' problems?

matthew.manhorn
08-20-2008, 08:00 PM
Reason for western countries : Mo' money, mo' problems?

Is eating MacDonalds considered suicide?

CreepingDeath
08-20-2008, 08:13 PM
Reason for South Korea = PC GAMES

yes, and whats surprising about it is they still play starcraft.

Bro Jangles
08-20-2008, 08:19 PM
yes, and whats surprising about it is they still play starcraft.
zerg rush no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Umbro2914
08-20-2008, 08:48 PM
Strange to see Belgium so high on the list. ..

Look at the year the data was gathered in Belgium, 1997.... may have dropped in 11 years.....

On another note why is the PR of China twice on that list? Was one slot not good enough for Chairman Mao?

PVJ
08-20-2008, 08:49 PM
Why are Lithuanians so depressed? Im suprised Canada isnt up in the top 10 with all the emo mofos i see everywhere.

Bro Jangles
08-20-2008, 08:50 PM
Look at the year the data was gathered in Belgium, 1997.... may have dropped in 11 years.....

On another note why is the PR of China twice on that list? Was one slot not good enough for Chairman Mao?
they divided china by rural and urban

el borracho
08-20-2008, 11:18 PM
It's strange to me that weather would have an effect on suicide rates, but statistics prove otherwise. I can't imagine someone thinking "I just lost my girl, just lost my job, and my dog got hit by a car. But if it's sunny out, I think I'll be ok," (goes to the window) "dammit" *click.*

BearInBunnySuit
08-20-2008, 11:49 PM
I'm a bit surprised to see South Korea in there so high.

Me too. It's not exactly paradise but it's not a bad place to live, at least not bad enough for so many people to kill themselves. :-(
But me thinks there's something wrong with the list, China is in there three times, at 12th, 26th and 65th.

Bro Jangles
08-20-2008, 11:50 PM
Me too. It's not exactly paradise but it's not a bad place to live, at least not bad enough for so many people to kill themselves. :-(
But me thinks there's something wrong with the list, China is in there twice, at 12th and 26th.
again they divided china by rural and urban

BearInBunnySuit
08-20-2008, 11:55 PM
again they divided china by rural and urban

Yeah OK. I guess it has to do with the quality of life in different regions and underscores the fact that economic development is concentrated in a few major cities.

MG 3
08-21-2008, 12:33 AM
Hey my country isnt there. Well keeping aside the Suicide bombing our rate is 2.1 per 100,000 ppl. Which puts us next to Georgia.

nullterm
08-21-2008, 12:49 AM
Me too. It's not exactly paradise but it's not a bad place to live, at least not bad enough for so many people to kill themselves. :-(
But me thinks there's something wrong with the list, China is in there three times, at 12th, 26th and 65th.

The numbers are probably as reported by the respective gov'ts. So it a country wanted to fudge it's result there's nothing to stop them. Just like birth certificates for Chinese gymnasts.

Or they don't keep as good of a paper trail.

That said, I'd probably be a bit cheerier if I was living on a beach in the Dominican.

kahn267
08-21-2008, 02:07 AM
I also believe that some Asian countries like China and Japan have high suicide rates based upon their culture of not divulging their feelings and emotions, therefore becoming implosive.

Japan for example has a rising suicide rate from what I saw on a documentary on CNN

Supplanter
08-21-2008, 02:25 AM
That said, I'd probably be a bit cheerier if I was living on a beach in the Dominican.

What, you don't like the rainy summer :)

toki
08-21-2008, 04:19 AM
Strange to see Belgium so high on the list. Finland is also surprisingly high on the list....

Seriously, i always thought Finland would be on top of that list.

Also interesting that Austria is way ahead of Germany. My uncle is a doctor in Tyrol and every summer i spend there he was called into the surrounding villages when people shot or hanged themselves or jumped of a cliff. Often times people he knew. Always made me wonder if it was just perception of if it just happened more often there. They area is quite rich due to tourism and the landscape is everything else but depressing.

The_Android
08-21-2008, 05:41 AM
Seriously, i always thought Finland would be on top of that list.


We've been higher on the list, but the suicide rate here has dropped. I was surprised Finland wasn't higher.

It's especially young men who commit suicide here. It's a cultural thing, Finnish men traditionally don't speak about their emotions and problems much, and if they have problems they take matter into their own hands. Instead of seeking help or talking to someone they commit suicide to "solve" the problem.

Unlike what many may think, the long winter (or rather short summer) and darkness here isn't really a contributing factor to suicides.

In e.g. Japan it's also a cultural thing, but has more to do with honour and the loss of face. Failing to get a place in a good school or not getting a job you want brings feelings of shame which often lead to suicides.

Atlantic Friend
08-21-2008, 05:52 AM
I would also kill myself if we had 9-month winter. Sorry Finnish friends I am trying to joke :)

No joke, actually. I met a Finnish girl who worked for the EU Regions Committee a few years ago and she said that the suicide rate went up every winter, particularly in the regions up north where winter also means semi-permanent darkness. Can you imagine that ? You wake up, it's dark outside. You go to work, it's dark outside. You go to lunch it's dark outside. Afternoon comes, it's dark outside. And this, going for days and weeks.:-(

VLAD!
08-21-2008, 05:53 AM
What's the definition of "depressed" here?
It's very strange that places like Iraq, Palestinian Territories, or Lebanon are not on the list, with all the stuff going on in the region..:-|

Edit:
Suicide rates... by bad
I'm supposed to be working right now so I posted a bit too quickly:)

Moledet
08-21-2008, 05:57 AM
What's the definition of "depressed" here?
It's very strange that places like Iraq, Palestinian Territories, or Lebanon are not on the list, with all the stuff going on in the region..:-|
They are not on the list because there is no official data. About another 105 countries or so are missing.

pekka elo
08-21-2008, 06:37 AM
No joke, actually. I met a Finnish girl who worked for the EU Regions Committee a few years ago and she said that the suicide rate went up every winter, particularly in the regions up north where winter also means semi-permanent darkness. Can you imagine that ? You wake up, it's dark outside. You go to work, it's dark outside. You go to lunch it's dark outside. Afternoon comes, it's dark outside. And this, going for days and weeks.:-(

It's called "kaamosmasennus", seasonal affective disorder. Many people get symptoms of depression just from the darkness while many aren't affected at all. Consequently it has an impact on suicide rates. I doubt that anyone would commit suicide only because of the darkness, but if problems pile up, it may trigger such things.

Imagine December in Southern Finland. There is not yet snow but it's the darkest time of the year, daytime lasts only a few hours. It's 5 degrees celsius and raining most of the time. The only light outside is the dim orange glow of streetlights, reflecting from the wet asphalt.
That's definitely the most depressing weather I can think of :D

On the other hand, the bright and crisp snowy landscapes of February are truly medicine for the soul.

Basillicus
08-21-2008, 06:44 AM
Imagine December in Southern Finland. There is not yet snow but it's the darkest time of the year, daytime lasts only a few hours. It's 5 degrees celsius and raining most of the time. The only light outside is the dim orange glow of streetlights, reflecting from the wet asphalt.
That's definitely the most depressing weather I can think of :D

Yeah, it sucks. However the darkness never causes much problems for me, I'll get used to it fast and it starts to feel somehow comforting. Then during the spring I'll get a sort of disoriented feeling when the sun is starting to shine again when you have just gotten used to the darkness, and when I go out I feel "naked" like some sort of lizzard that has been living in a dark cave and suddenly finds itself in a desert under the sun and open sky.

Military-G
08-21-2008, 07:40 AM
It's called "kaamosmasennus", seasonal affective disorder. Many people get symptoms of depression just from the darkness while many aren't affected at all. Consequently it has an impact on suicide rates. I doubt that anyone would commit suicide only because of the darkness, but if problems pile up, it may trigger such things.

Imagine December in Southern Finland. There is not yet snow but it's the darkest time of the year, daytime lasts only a few hours. It's 5 degrees celsius and raining most of the time. The only light outside is the dim orange glow of streetlights, reflecting from the wet asphalt.
That's definitely the most depressing weather I can think of :D

On the other hand, the bright and crisp snowy landscapes of February are truly medicine for the soul.

Sounds like cool weather to me ... sure beats the UK's constant grey skies full of slow drizzly rain ... it really does take it out of you to wake up to that crap every morning including summer. lol

Wall
08-21-2008, 07:42 AM
I dont know about how winter affects to suicide rates, anyway, usually I find myself being alone without anybody agree with my opinion, if I say that i hate winter. I think that high suicide rates have something to do with mindset (well, of course, but the point is, that i cant see how winter should affect to mental health). There are people who cant see bright side of life (for example watch keppana viimeinen song by syamenleijona).

Mousepad
08-21-2008, 09:20 AM
3-rd place! we gotta invest in Prozak big time.

raoul volfoni
08-21-2008, 09:31 AM
they divided china by rural and urban

http://ca.youtube.com/watch/v/PS2VZkCzWSE

Sorry, I just had to do it.

Stonewall71
08-21-2008, 09:37 AM
I also believe that some Asian countries like China and Japan have high suicide rates based upon their culture of not divulging their feelings and emotions, therefore becoming implosive.

Japan for example has a rising suicide rate from what I saw on a documentary on CNN


As far as I heard it seems to be related with the culture of Japanese People, and that fact that failurre has great impact in family and community values.

I also saw documentaries about the high level of pressure placed on Japanese students that contributes a lot for the high suicide rate

m.i.t
08-21-2008, 10:11 AM
3-rd place! we gotta invest in Prozak big time.

useless...just a look prescription... Vodka or 40 % alcohol drinks notralize it...

The Dane
08-21-2008, 10:19 AM
Just look at the buildings they live in(Eastern Europe and Russia).
I would be depressed too.

Van Gogh
08-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Today l have seen at the news "Denmarks are happiest nation" in the world..They are also 26. th nation in suicide rate list of the world in the wiki.

But l found much more interesting statics about suicide rates...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

1http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Flag_of_Lithuania.svg/22px-Flag_of_Lithuania.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Lithuania.svg) Lithuania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania) 70. 114 .040 . 22004
2http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Flag_of_Belarus.svg/22px-Flag_of_Belarus.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Belarus.svg) Belarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus) 63.310.335.12003
3http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_of_Russia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Russia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) 61.610.734.32004
4http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Kazakhstan.svg) Kazakhstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan) 51.08.929.22003
5http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Flag_of_Hungary.svg/22px-Flag_of_Hungary.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Hungary.svg) Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary) 44.912.027.72003
6http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_Guyana.svg/22px-Flag_of_Guyana.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Guyana.svg) Guyana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana) 42.512.127.22003
7http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Flag_of_South_Korea.svg/22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_South_Korea.svg) South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate&printable=yes#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate&printable=yes#cite_note-2)N/AN/A26.12005
8http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Flag_of_Slovenia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Slovenia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Slovenia.svg) Slovenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia) 37.913.925.62004
9http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Flag_of_Latvia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Latvia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Latvia.svg) Latvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia) 42.98.524.3200

firts 10 have 5 ex-soviet republics which are 1th 2th 3th 4th and 9th.

Really sad view.

I always thought it was first, second, third, instead of oneth, twooth, and thirdth.

ColinP
08-21-2008, 10:55 AM
It's called "kaamosmasennus", seasonal affective disorder. Many people get symptoms of depression just from the darkness while many aren't affected at all. Consequently it has an impact on suicide rates. I doubt that anyone would commit suicide only because of the darkness, but if problems pile up, it may trigger such things.

Imagine December in Southern Finland. There is not yet snow but it's the darkest time of the year, daytime lasts only a few hours. It's 5 degrees celsius and raining most of the time. The only light outside is the dim orange glow of streetlights, reflecting from the wet asphalt.
That's definitely the most depressing weather I can think of :D

On the other hand, the bright and crisp snowy landscapes of February are truly medicine for the soul.

In Canada we call it "Cabin fever" More of an issue in the North than the south though.

Murus
08-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Not surprised about Hungary.
They are the most depressing people I've met.

They are never satisfied or happy.


Yes Ordie, we are always depressed and sad, even the children at christmas...
It is just an other list with some stereotypes. To be honest my colleagues from Russia are very happy people. :-)

Mousepad
08-21-2008, 11:47 AM
useless...just a look prescription... Vodka or 40 % alcohol drinks notralize it...

Oh noes, we're doomed!!!

Andrew Chalmers
08-21-2008, 11:51 AM
As far as I heard it seems to be related with the culture of Japanese People, and that fact that failurre has great impact in family and community values.

I also saw documentaries about the high level of pressure placed on Japanese students that contributes a lot for the high suicide rate

Unfortunately that's pretty much the norm in East Asia. For many who are of a lower economic background, getting good marks on entrance exams is their best shot at improving their family background... there's a lot of pressure associated with that because parents give their all to support their children in education, and children are expected to achieve.

On the bright side - at least people from the lower social economic status have a shot at obtaining higher education... upward social mobility was much more fluid Japan, Taiwan, Singapore than it has been in the United states for quite some time. The "American" dream faces hurdles presented by the disparity in local education budgets.

Umbro2914
08-21-2008, 11:55 AM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch/v/PS2VZkCzWSE

Sorry, I just had to do it.


Haha that was great.

Umbro2914
08-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Also interesting that Austria is way ahead of Germany. My uncle is a doctor in Tyrol and every summer i spend there he was called into the surrounding villages when people shot or hanged themselves or jumped of a cliff. Often times people he knew. Always made me wonder if it was just perception of if it just happened more often there. They area is quite rich due to tourism and the landscape is everything else but depressing.
I'm not suprised the Austrian are depressed. I would be too if every day i turned on the tv to find out so old sicko was keeping his family locked up in the basement....

Rudolph
08-21-2008, 12:21 PM
Haha that was great.

But almost unbelievable.

MaDuce
08-21-2008, 12:51 PM
I'm not suprised the Austrian are depressed. I would be too if every day i turned on the tv to find out so old sicko was keeping his family locked up in the basement....

He is Australian
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/d6/Australian_Flag_Joseph_Fritzl.jpg