Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate

[Ordie]

August 24, 2008

Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate

By ADAM NAGOURNEY (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/n/adam_nagourney/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and JEFF ZELENY (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/z/jeff_zeleny/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) has chosen Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/joseph_r_jr_biden/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Delaware to be his running mate, turning to a leading authority on foreign policy and a longtime Washington hand to fill out the Democratic ticket, people told of the decision said.
Mr. Obama’s selection ended a two-month search that was conducted almost entirely in secret. It reflected a critical strategic choice by Mr. Obama: To go with a running mate who could reassure voters about gaps in his resume, rather than to pick someone who could deliver a state or reinforce Mr. Obama’s message of change.
Mr. Biden is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and is familiar with foreign leaders and diplomats around the world. Although he initially voted to authorize the war in Iraq — Mr. Obama opposed it from the start — Mr. Biden became a persistent critic of President George W. Bush (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/george_w_bush/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s policies in Iraq.
The selection was disclosed as Mr. Obama moves into a critical part of his campaign, preparing for the party’s four-day convention in Denver starting on Monday. Mr. Obama’s aides viewed the introduction of his vice presidential choice — including an afternoon rally Saturday at the old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., the same place where Mr. Obama announced his candidacy on a freezing winter morning almost two years ago — and a tour of swing states as the beginning of a week-long stretch in which Mr. Obama hopes to dominate the stage and position himself for the fall campaign.
Word of Mr. Obama’s decision leaked out hours before his campaign was scheduled to inform supporters via text and e-mail messages, and hours after informing two other top contenders for the vice presidential nomination — Senator Evan Bayh (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/evan_bayh/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Indiana and Gov. Tim Kaine (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/tim_kaine/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Virginia — that they had not been chosen.
As the selection process moved to an end, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of New York, who Mr. Obama had defeated in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, had slipped out of contention — to the degree that Mr. Obama had never seriously considered her.
Mr. Biden is Roman Catholic, giving him appeal to that important voting bloc, though he favors abortion rights. He was born in a working-class family in Scranton, Pa., a swing state where he remains well-known. Mr. Biden is up for re-election to the Senate this year and he would presumably run simultaneously for both seats.
Mr. Biden is known for being both talkative and ****e to making the kind of statements that get him in trouble. In 2007, when he was competing for Mr. Obama for the presidential nomination, he declared that Mr. Obama was “not yet ready” for the presidency.
The McCain campaign jumped on that early Saturday, as it responded to the selection, offering a glimpse into the line of criticism that awaits the Democratic ticket.
“There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama’s lack of experience than Joe Biden. Biden has denounced Barack Obama’s poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing — that Barack Obama is not ready to be President,” said Ben Porritt, a spokesman for Mr. McCain.
Although Mr. Biden is not exactly a household name, he is probably the best known of all the Democrats who were in contention for the spot, given his political and personal history (not to mention his regular appearances on the Sunday morning television news shows.) He first ran for the Senate from Delaware when he was just 29.
Mr. Biden has run twice for the presidency himself, once in 1988 and again in 2008, dropping out early in both cases. He was also the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee during two of the most contentious Supreme Court (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/supreme_court/index.html?inline=nyt-org) nomination battles of the past 50 years: the confirmation proceedings for Robert H. Bork (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/robert_h_bork/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who was defeated, and Clarence Thomas (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/clarence_thomas/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who was confirmed after an explosive hearing in which Anita Hill (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anita_hill/index.html?inline=nyt-per) accused Mr. Thomas of ****** harassment. Mr. Biden led the opposition to both nominations, though he came under criticism from some feminists for not immediately disclosing what were at first Ms. Hill’s closed-door accusations against Mr. Thomas.
Mr. Obama’s choice of Mr. Biden suggested some of the weaknesses the Obama campaign is trying to address at a time when national polls suggest that his race with Senator John McCain (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/john_mccain/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the presumptive Republican nominee, is tightening.
Chief among Mr. Biden’s strengths is his familiarity with foreign policy and national security issues, highlighted just this past weekend with the invitation he received from the embattled president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/mikhail_saakashvili/index.html?inline=nyt-per), to visit Georgia in the midst of its tense faceoff with Russia. From the moment he dropped out of the presidential race, he had been mentioned as a potential Secretary of State should either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton win the election.
He is also something of a fixture in Washington, and would bring to the campaign — and the White House — a familiarity with the way the city and Congress works that Mr. Obama cannot match after his relatively short stint in Washington.
At 65, Mr. Biden adds a few years and gray hair to a ticket that otherwise might seem a bit young (Mr. Obama is 47). He is, as Mr. Obama’s advisers were quick to argue, someone who appears by every measure prepared to take over as president, setting a standard that appears intended to at least somewhat hamstring Mr. McCain should he be tempted to go for a more adventurous choice for No. 2.
He has a long history of making statements that get him in trouble. He was forced to apologize to Mr. Obama almost the moment he entered the race for president after he was quoted as describing Mr. Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” a remark that drew criticism for being racially insensitive. While campaigning in New Hampshire, Mr. Biden said that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
Mr. Biden quit the presidential race this year after barely making a mark; he came in fifth in Iowa. He was forced to quit the 1988 presidential race in the face of accusations that he had plagiarized part of a speech from Neil Kinnock, the British Labor Party leader. Shortly afterward, he was found to have suffered two aneurysms.
He is also, at least arguably, a Washington insider, having worked there for so long, though he still commutes home to Wilmington every night by train.
The choice by Mr. Obama in some ways mirrors the choice by Mr. Bush of **** Cheney (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/****_cheney/index.html?inline=nyt-per) as his running mate in 2000; at his age, it appears unlikely that Mr. Biden would be in a position to run for president should Mr. Obama win and serve two terms. Shorn of any remaining ambition to run for president on his own, he could find himself in a less complex political relationship with Mr. Obama than most vice president have with their presidents.
Mr. Biden was born in Scranton, grew up in the suburbs of Wilmington, Del., and went to Syracuse Law School. As a young man, he was in the center of a gripping family drama: barely a month after he was elected to the Senate, his wife and their three children were in a car accident with a drunken driver resulted in the death of his wife and daughter. His two sons survived and Mr. Biden remarried five years later.

Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/us/politics/24biden.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

[Ratamacue]

Thank ****ing Christ it's over with. The media coverage of this has been absolutely disgusting, like a goddamn soap opera.

"Who is Obama's running mate?" (cue organ) "Is it...Evan Bayh? Or Joe Biden? Or Paris Hilton? Stay tuned to find out, it could be revealed any minute now!"

It's a disgrace, and I don't know who pisses me off more. Obama started the whole deal and knew exactly what he was doing. But the media took off with it and played right into his hand. As bad as the 2004 election was, this year has taken it to a whole new level of media spectacle and pop culture phenomenon.

[Doublethinker]

who the hell is this guy?

An old-timer to boost the 'experience' bull**** which McCain waves around like a flag?

And wasn't the clinton chick supposed to be selected?

[hsh2]

Ah so it's Biden afterall. Just like Time predicted...
http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/19/say-it-is-so-joe/

[INAT]

Biden is in my opinion a rambling gas bag, terminally enslaved by his own prejudice, ego and vanity.

[Doublethinker]

Chief among Mr. Biden’s strengths is his familiarity with foreign policy and national security issues, highlighted just this past weekend with the invitation he received from the embattled president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/mikhail_saakashvili/index.html?inline=nyt-per), to visit Georgia in the midst of its tense faceoff with Russia. From the moment he dropped out of the presidential race, he had been mentioned as a potential Secretary of State should either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton win the election.


Ah, I see. It is amusing, that the conflict in tiny Georgia might decide the fate of US elections :)

[dutch508]

Ah, you gotta love the dems. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again!

[WarriorMonk]

wtf, the gun grabber,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9aIb-IplqY

[Ordie]

Biden's son is a JAG officer in Iraq with the Del NG

[Umbro2914]

The McCain camp called the choice of Mr Biden an admission by Barack Obama that he was not ready to be president. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgement and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realising - that Barack Obama is not ready to be president," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a statement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7578136.stm

good running mate....wonder if they actually like each other.... or are they like JFK and LBJ.

[WCF.KAS]

The McCain camp called the choice of Mr Biden an admission by Barack Obama that he was not ready to be president. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgement and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realising - that Barack Obama is not ready to be president," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a statement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7578136.stm

good running mate....wonder if they actually like each other.... or are they like JFK and LBJ.

they've always had a good relationship in the senate

[TheSteve]

Thank ****ing Christ it's over with. The media coverage of this has been absolutely disgusting, like a goddamn soap opera.

"Who is Obama's running mate?" (cue organ) "Is it...Evan Bayh? Or Joe Biden? Or Paris Hilton? Stay tuned to find out, it could be revealed any minute now!"

It's a disgrace, and I don't know who pisses me off more. Obama started the whole deal and knew exactly what he was doing. But the media took off with it and played right into his hand. As bad as the 2004 election was, this year has taken it to a whole new level of media spectacle and pop culture phenomenon.
I completely agree. Unfortunately, it came really as no surprise. Just about 99% of the **** they talk about on the main cable news networks is just a complete waste of time.


who the hell is this guy?

An old-timer to boost the 'experience' bull**** which McCain waves around like a flag?

And wasn't the clinton chick supposed to be selected?
Oh he is just some loser who has been in the Senate for 36 years and ran for President twice . . .

[2Sheds_Jackson]

It's good to see that Obama picked somebody with "gravitas". rofl

I wonder if anybody in the press will have the balls to go off the reservation and ask Biden what Obama did over the last year to suddenly make him ready to be president.

[SoftLion]

McCain immediately released an add showing Biden stating in a debate that Obama was "not ready to be president". Another soundbite showed Biden declaring that he would be "happy to run with or against McCain" as a Vice.

Hmmmm.

[JKD]

The Obama camp had to have known those comments would come up and that they'd take a hit for them. I guess they think the pros outweigh the cons here.

[Power_serj]

Obama just lost a ton of votes to McCain. McCain can still mess that up though, and pick Liebermann. McCain should pick Crist, the Florida governor for many reasons. As far as I know, he has a clean record, he's been cutting taxes across the board in Florida, he has a high approval rating in Florida, although he has no known foreign policy experience, he can be the reversal to McCain's idiotic statement saying that he had needed to brush up on economics (can't remember the exact quote).

[Kingswat]

Yeah, out of all the stuff happening around the world, Obama naming his vp candidate was the top story on the national news here. That's all that has been on for the past few weeks.

[sidman69]

Obama could've even picked Jesus as a running mate and he'll still lose. McCain will win by a large margin.

[Ordie]

Obama could've even picked Jesus as a running mate and he'll still lose. McCain will win by a large margin.

If Bush Sr. picked Quale and Bush Jr. picked Cheney, anything is possible.

If McCain picks Liebermann, say goodbye to the conservatives.

Then again, I wonder why would anyone would vote Republican given that we're much worst off than eight years ago.

[sidman69]

If Bush Sr. picked Quale and Bush Jr. picked Cheney, anything is possible.

If McCain picks Liebermann, say goodbye to the conservatives.

Then again, I wonder why would anyone would vote Republican given that we're much worst off than eight years ago.

well i would never accuse the American people of being quick or overly smart, but i think they do catch on, but it just won't be this year's election.

[noname]

"I'm the guy who originally wrote the assault weapons ban"

[budgie]

The man sounds a tad boring so far - that more than any Republican pet issue (see above) will be harmful to their chances. That of course and the inevitable slurs: "Joe Biden shoots unarmed boy wearing a loincloth in the back". Or maybe it will be, "Joe Biden shoots unarmed boy in the back wearing a loincloth". Just wait...

[Power_serj]

If Bush Sr. picked Quale and Bush Jr. picked Cheney, anything is possible.

If McCain picks Liebermann, say goodbye to the conservatives.

Then again, I wonder why would anyone would vote Republican given that we're much worst off than eight years ago.

I wonder why anyone would vote Democrat given that we're much worse than eight years ago.

The Democrats screwed up Congress by being too partisan and refusing to work with the President. Although he is not as conservative as I'd like, McCain is the best choice for president because he is very good with bipartisanship and will work with anyone regardless of party or past experience with the individual. The President is only as powerful as his relationship with Congress is.

I don't see Republicans working with Obama for his drastic and ridiculous "change" he wants to do with the United States. Scratch that, I don't even see the Democrats in Congress doing anything that drastic. Obama's wanted policies will just lead to a big mess of party politics. McCain is not afraid to cross party lines to get the job done and that is really what we need to get this economy on the right track and in the right direction, not a drastic change in Washington (which would ultimately lead to higher taxes, a bigger government, and a government that is not working).

[Hilbert]

wtf, the gun grabber,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9aIb-IplqY

What did you expect, he's chosen by Obama. Sadly, the Republican Card isn't that much better when it comes to the 2nd Amendment; of course, McCain's still an improvemnt.

I long for the day when there's actually a choice worth voting for and not just picking the shinest of two pieces of crap; and I'm not saying that just in regards to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms but where McCain and Obama stand across the entire Spectrum.

[Umbro2914]

McCain already made a commercial out of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&feature=rec-fresh

[Rynnäkkökivääri]

I always loved how in that clip he claimed that we need to make laws to keep guns away from mentally ill and criminal citizens. Man learned alot in 30 years of the Senate didn't he? Empty suit to complement the other one I guess.

[Bringer of Greater Things]

I wonder why anyone would vote Democrat given that we're much worse than eight years ago.

The Democrats screwed up Congress by being too partisan and refusing to work with the President. Although he is not as conservative as I'd like, McCain is the best choice for president because he is very good with bipartisanship and will work with anyone regardless of party or past experience with the individual. The President is only as powerful as his relationship with Congress is.

It's funny that you'd blame the Democratic Congress for screwing up the last 8 years when they haven't had control for a full two years yet. The GOP had a majority in the house since 1994, and in the Senate since 2002. They screwed things up so badly that the Dems took control after the 2006 elections.

[Moriarti]

Then again, I wonder why would anyone would vote Republican given that we're much worst off than eight years ago.


How so? I am doing fine.

[noname]

It's funny that you'd blame the Democratic Congress for screwing up the last 8 years when they haven't had control for a full two years yet. The GOP had a majority in the house since 1994, and in the Senate since 2002. They screwed things up so badly that the Dems took control after the 2006 elections.


Barring "pet issues", what has been screwed up? Besides what those in the media column have claimed. Speaking for myself I am way better off than I was 8 years ago. And that has nothing to do with what politician screwball is or has been doing. Food for thought for you ****tards that base your success on politics.

[KET]

How so? I am doing fine.
You are not "everyone". I'm doing fine too (much better than 8 years ago), but that doesn't mean anything. Sometimes you might want to look around and get a better prespective. I know a lot of people who have lost their houses or are not doing well financially in the last 3-4 years and they're not "fine" at all. Either way Biden seems like the best choice.

[sidman69]

McCain immediately released an add showing Biden stating in a debate that Obama was "not ready to be president". Another soundbite showed Biden declaring that he would be "happy to run with or against McCain" as a Vice.

Hmmmm.

well both of them are terrible. but obama needs to go more after mccain. McCain is as much of a flip flopper as Obama and Biden are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

[Power_serj]

The GOP had a majority in the house since 1994, and in the Senate since 2002. They screwed things up so badly that the Dems took control after the 2006 elections.
..and the Democrats screwed it even worse in the little time they had.

[Ordie]

..and the Democrats screwed it even worse in the little time they had.

Congress passes bills, the president vetos.
What's so screwy about that?

[Power_serj]

Ever heard of filibustering? Look, they're on a friggin vacation when there is supposed to be a vote on an energy bill.

Their antics are ridiculous. Nancy Pelosi is no help to this government, neither is this permanent campaign our government is running. We need a president that will work with Congress, not against it. That is what John McCain can do, and has done in his time in the Senate.

[Ordie]

Ever heard of filibustering? Look, they're on a friggin vacation when there is supposed to be a vote on an energy bill.

Yeh...the game is played on both sides.

Vacation? Name a politician and staff who is willing to miss the DNC/GOP national conventions?

If you like sausages and you like laws, you don't want to know how they are made

[Power_serj]

Congress is literally on vacation. Sadly, I'm not making that up.

[Ordie]

Congress is literally on vacation. Sadly, I'm not making that up.

I know.

They're 'vacationing' at St. Paul and Denver.

[SoftLion]

I know a lot of people who have lost their houses or are not doing well financially in the last 3-4 years and they're not "fine" at all. Either way Biden seems like the best choice.

Granholm is in charge of my state, number one of all states in the ****ter, and the media and a surprising number of state citizens want to blame everyone but the person in charge and/or her party.

[Moriarti]

You are not "everyone". I'm doing fine too (much better than 8 years ago), but that doesn't mean anything. Sometimes you might want to look around and get a better prespective. I know a lot of people who have lost their houses or are not doing well financially in the last 3-4 years and they're not "fine" at all. Either way Biden seems like the best choice.

Understood - however 'everyone' I know is also doing fine:) Understanding that people are losing the houses that they paid WAY too much for and couldn't afford in the first place - how is that the fault of the Prez..Congress..or the Government in general? (with the exception of the FED with all the printing of money!) Further- why should my tax dollars go toward funding their fiscal ineptitude? How does the scamble to make quick money in real estate, the idiocy of labor unions and the stooopidity of the "big three" equate to the Prez or Congress as being bad for the US fiscally. (Unless you are talking about their want to bail every loser in the game of life out of the hole they dug themselves into) - Now if we complain about the Government spending too much money - yes I agree - but not on things like the war - NO SIR...on things like entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, fluffy bunny revitalization and whatever pork they can shovel into the collective mouths of their tax dollar hungry constituancy (read: LOBBYISTS) - are they fiscally irresponsible? YES!!! Absolutely! They are killing us with taxes while spending like a colledge freshman with daddy's credit card. Are they responsible for the failures of private investors? NO! Should the FED stop printing money? YES! Should they encourage FREE TRADE and the CAPITALISM that this great nation was built on by gettting their collective noses out of our bank accounts and buisiness deals? YES.

But I am a radical. I believe in LIMITED gov...you know...like our founding fathers did.

[wildcat]

Understood - however 'everyone' I know is also doing fine:) Understanding that people are losing the houses that they paid WAY too much for and couldn't afford in the first place - how is that the fault of the Prez..Congress..or the Government in general? (with the exception of the FED with all the printing of money!) Further- why should my tax dollars go toward funding their fiscal ineptitude? How does the scamble to make quick money in real estate, the idiocy of labor unions and the stooopidity of the "big three" equate to the Prez or Congress as being bad for the US fiscally. (Unless you are talking about their want to bail every loser in the game of life out of the hole they dug themselves into) - Now if we complain about the Government spending too much money - yes I agree - but not on things like the war - NO SIR...on things like entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, fluffy bunny revitalization and whatever pork they can shovel into the collective mouths of their tax dollar hungry constituancy (read: LOBBYISTS) - are they fiscally irresponsible? YES!!! Absolutely! They are killing us with taxes while spending like a colledge freshman with daddy's credit card. Are they responsible for the failures of private investors? NO! Should the FED stop printing money? YES! Should they encourage FREE TRADE and the CAPITALISM that this great nation was built on by gettting their collective noses out of our bank accounts and buisiness deals? YES.

But I am a radical. I believe in LIMITED gov...you know...like our founding fathers did.
x2......................I'm with you on this, I got you 6. Dam I hate the stupid Democrats, they are like republicans, accept they lie about it. BTW for all those Democrats lovers, I hate republicans too, just not as much as Democrats. All are dumb, and screw the best country in the world.

Remember all those corps that back republicans and give them money also back democrats.

[Moriarti]

I just with that the Libertarian Party had its sh*t together - or for a new party - 'Constitutionalists" or something:)

[wildcat]

I just with that the Libertarian Party had its sh*t together - or for a new party - 'Constitutionalists" or something:)
I voted Constitution Party last election. Washington, is so corrupt everybody knows, no body does anything to change, keep voting the same waste of spaces back in. I heard that 60+% of Americans think congress/senate are a waste of space, but their congressman/senator is OK, go figure, dumb people. We get what we vote.

[Ordie]

We get what we vote.

Bad people are sent to Washington by good people who don’t vote.

[wildcat]

Bad people are sent to Washington by good people who don’t vote.
So true, so true. I hate people always think it is a two party nation, if they want change, they need to start removing the lower levels, local reps and work there way up.

[Lusitania]

But I am a radical. I believe in LIMITED gov...you know...like some of our founding fathers did.

I corrected the statement to make it more historically accurate :).

[Umbro2914]

But I am a radical. I believe in LIMITED gov...you know...like our founding fathers did.
wait wait wait... someone actually knows what limited government is?? lol well shoot you mustve actually read the constittution then woot

[Umbro2914]

I voted Constitution Party last election. .
Both the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr from the Liberitarian Party were supporters of Ron Paul during the primaries.

[Moriarti]

I corrected the statement to make it more historically accurate :).

Ahhh - shoot. I was hoping no one would catch that :roll:

HOWEVER - You are CORRECT Sir!

[Mackie]

YES! Should they encourage FREE TRADE and the CAPITALISM that this great nation was built on by gettting their collective noses out of our bank accounts and buisiness deals? YES.

http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/finanzen/artikel/368/145037/180x180_kGAEBxsIsa.jpeg

[Moriarti]

wait wait wait... someone actually knows what limited government is?? lol well shoot you mustve actually read the constittution then woot

Yeah - unfortunately, no one actually working in Washington today seems to have. At least no one since 1865. :roll:
I dare say that GW, TJ and even Adams would have sh*t themselves if they saw the size of the Federal Gov and its intrusion on the everyday lives of Americans today.

[Templar@Large]

Biden is in my opinion a rambling gas bag, terminally enslaved by his own prejudice, ego and vanity.

So I see you have had Dinner with Him LoL !!!!!!!!!!!!!rofl

[LongShot]

I just with that the Libertarian Party had its sh*t together - or for a new party - 'Constitutionalists" or something:)


Here here...........I vote Con/Lib every election, all the way down to the local level (provided one is running) We need a re-incarnation of Ben franklin to run for president

[Jobu]

Biden is not only a member of Hairplugs for Men, he also wants to be vice-president.





Plagiarism, advocating we split Iraq into 3 and give Al Qaeda their own country, his remarks about Indian Americans, et al make Biden a poor choice.

McCain needs to pick Mitt and seal the deal now. We can vote for Mitt in 4 years.

[wildcat]

Both the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr from the Liberitarian Party were supporters of Ron Paul during the primaries.
The only problem with Ron Paul is Ron Paul, he has some good ideas, and direction, I think he himself has to many radical right wing ties.

[Moriarti]

Here here...........I vote Con/Lib every election, all the way down to the local level (provided one is running) We need a re-incarnation of Ben franklin to run for president

No kidding! I think that the only good "Progessive" Prez was T. Roosevelt.
Ya and he was Dutch - isn't that veird?!?

[Moriarti]

http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/finanzen/artikel/368/145037/180x180_kGAEBxsIsa.jpeg
I know - neat huh? Market Fluctuations are cool:) That is why we are buying NOW. Hate it for ya!

[Moriarti]

The only problem with Ron Paul is Ron Paul, he has some good ideas, and direction, I think he himself has to many radical right wing ties.


U mean other than he is a Troofer?

[Eknytz]

Both members on the ticket are anti-gun :(
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjsxQy0xYUs)

I know obama seems like a nice enough guy(but of naturally you have to seem that way when your running for office)

[wildcat]

Both members on the ticket are anti-gun :(


I know obama seems like a nice enough guy(but of naturally you have to seem that way when your running for office)
That the number one reason I cannot vote for them, there view of the constitution is not that of the founding fathers, and touching the amendments is a good sign of who they are. And before anybody talks about bush, I never voted for him or a democrat, and he is not running for president, so mute point.

[LongShot]

No kidding! I think that the only good "Progessive" Prez was T. Roosevelt.
Ya and he was Dutch - isn't that veird?!?


Good ol' teddy.........Im voting for the Franklin/Voltaire ticket.

[Mackie]

I know - neat huh? Market Fluctuations are cool:) That is why we are buying NOW. Hate it for ya!

Buy some history books. Then you know the consequences of "fluctations".

[Umbro2914]

U mean other than he is a Troofer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k&feature=related

do some research before believing media lies ;)

[The Balkan]

Yes! Good choice, much better then Hillary who I can't stand.

Biden's been useful to us :)

[Umbro2914]

The only problem with Ron Paul is Ron Paul, he has some good ideas, and direction, I think he himself has to many radical right wing ties.
Umm IMHO he has much more experience and knowledge then either Barr or Baldwin... and also every stance on a issue that I've read on the Liberitarian / Constitutional party websites was very much similar to that of the RP 08 campaign

[INAT]

Yes! Good choice, much better then Hillary who I can't stand.

Biden's been useful to us :)


Yes sir Biden has pretty much done your work for you.

[Moriarti]

Buy some history books. Then you know the consequences of "fluctations".

*yawn* skool me proffesor. Oh - Sorry for my typo. Didn't mean to draw your ire. :oops:

The consequences include me gettting a GOOD deal now, and in a few years when I am ready to sell - I will make $$ so I can buy a better house. I like consequences. The fact that I am profiting off of someone else's misfortune hurt your sensibilities? Sorry. Life sux.

Have a nice 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness' day.

[Moriarti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k&feature=related

do some research before believing media lies ;)

I can't get on YouTube - government servers block it. I am guessing that he is *not* the truthiest candidate? I will do that reasearch. I was honestly basing that off of a clip I saw of a RP rally where every other one of his supporters were ranting about 9/11 being an inside job. I never really bothered with the guy, as he as never stood a chance. Thanks for the head's up.

[Moriarti]

Good ol' teddy.........Im voting for the Franklin/Voltaire ticket.

That would be teh awesome!

[Umbro2914]

I can't get on YouTube - government servers block it. I am guessing that he is *not* the truthiest candidate? I will do that reasearch. I was honestly basing that off of a clip I saw of a RP rally where every other one of his supporters were ranting about 9/11 being an inside job. I never really bothered with the guy, as he as never stood a chance. Thanks for the head's up.
Sorry wasent aware of an active censor for us military.. heres a transcript from the vid: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_ambushes_Paul_with_911_truthers_0111.html

to your statement about chance... As if baldwin and barr do? rofl:roll:

[Hilbert]

to your statement about chance... As if baldwin and barr do?

It's the Protest Vote; that's what I'm doing,

[Ought Six]

H:
"Protest Vote; that's what I'm doing."I normally vote Libertarian because that party and its candidates best reflect my values and beliefs. However, the LP nominated Bob Barr this time around. Bob f'ing Barr, the neocon flip-flop king !!!
:bash:

This is the bumperstick on the back of my car this election:

[Hilbert]

H:I normally vote Libertarian because that party and its candidates best reflect my values and beliefs. However, the LP nominated Bob Barr this time around. Bob f'ing Barr, the neocon flip-flop king !!!
:bash:

This is the bumperstick on the back of my car this election:

I was planning on voting for Baldwin myself.

[Moriarti]

to your statement about chance... As if baldwin and barr do? rofl:roll:

I know ! :)

[Moriarti]

Sorry wasent aware of an active censor for us military.. heres a transcript from the vid: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_ambushes_Paul_with_911_truthers_0111.html

to your statement about chance... As if baldwin and barr do? rofl:roll:


Thanks for that link - :) I did not know that:)

[Ought Six]

H:
"I was planning on voting for Baldwin myself."He is too much a theocrat for me.

[Will938]

It's the Protest Vote; that's what I'm doing,

I think I'll write in Thomas Jefferson; no rule against electing a dead guy, and I think his inanimate corpse will net us better results than the other candidates.

[The Balkan]

Yes sir Biden has pretty much done your work for you.

And what work do you think that is?

[Parx400]

Understood - however 'everyone' I know is also doing fine:) Understanding that people are losing the houses that they paid WAY too much for and couldn't afford in the first place - how is that the fault of the Prez..Congress..or the Government in general? (with the exception of the FED with all the printing of money!) Further- why should my tax dollars go toward funding their fiscal ineptitude? How does the scamble to make quick money in real estate, the idiocy of labor unions and the stooopidity of the "big three" equate to the Prez or Congress as being bad for the US fiscally. (Unless you are talking about their want to bail every loser in the game of life out of the hole they dug themselves into) - Now if we complain about the Government spending too much money - yes I agree - but not on things like the war - NO SIR...on things like entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, fluffy bunny revitalization and whatever pork they can shovel into the collective mouths of their tax dollar hungry constituancy (read: LOBBYISTS) - are they fiscally irresponsible? YES!!! Absolutely! They are killing us with taxes while spending like a colledge freshman with daddy's credit card. Are they responsible for the failures of private investors? NO! Should the FED stop printing money? YES! Should they encourage FREE TRADE and the CAPITALISM that this great nation was built on by gettting their collective noses out of our bank accounts and buisiness deals? YES.

But I am a radical. I believe in LIMITED gov...you know...like our founding fathers did.


Only way we will get chnage in DC is going to be more Choice in our voting. We are forced to buy one of 2 products right now. We think we can vote for a 3rd party but really they have no chance of winning, so really we get nothing from that vote. Untill there is a 3rd or 4th party that can win a congressiontal seat the 2 main parties have rno reason to change. 3rd parties are not cheap either. It will take a real independent like bloomberg with the resources to make something like that work.

[Umbro2914]

H:I normally vote Libertarian because that party and its candidates best reflect my values and beliefs.

Totally understandable, and thats also the reason i supported Ron Paul, and a vote for him was also a protest vote, although it actually ment something cause we were gaining delegates..
FYI Paul ran as the liberitarian party candidate in 1988

[Firefly26]

Heh, a protest vote. I think 2_sheds said it best: "That'll learn them democrats and republicans."

[Ought Six]

U2914:
"FYI Paul ran as the liberitarian party candidate in 1988"I do not think there are many Libertarians out there that do not already know this.

[Ordie]

Find two libertarians and you will get 7 political parties.

[Umbro2914]

U2914:I do not think there are many Libertarians out there that do not already know this.
Well idk... you would think that liberitarians would have made a greater effort to register R so they could vote for him in the primaries..... more votes wouldve raised awareness to his views similar to Liberitarian platform...

[armchairpundit]

"Change" my ass. Wtf Biden is just McCain with a slightly different tax policy.

[SilentType]

Let's put all politics aside for a moment....no seriously.

Some politicians are @$$holes. I know what a shocker right and this includes both sides of the aisle.

Biden is one of those "know-it-all/know nothing" attack mudslingers. The guy never and I mean never attempts to presuade he attacks people. He once claimed that he had a masters degree, which was proven a lie and has been guilty of plagarism a few times. If you've ever seen him on cspan you'd know what I mean.

Biden holds his nose so high-up in the air that I'm shocked he can see where he is going half the time. I think he's a God send for McCain, and history will probably look back on this as Obama's worse decision.

[Ought Six]

ST:
"I think he's a God send for McCain, and history will probably look back on this as Obama's worse decision."+1

Aside from Biden's bad qualities, it was also a choice that pissed off Clinton supporters even more at time when healing the rift in the party was needed.

[Ought Six]

ST:
"I think he's a God send for McCain, and history will probably look back on this as Obama's worse decision."+1

Aside from Biden's bad qualities, it was also a choice that pissed off Clinton supporters even more at time when healing the rift in the party was needed.


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O:
"Find two libertarians and you will get 7 political parties."The LP is definitely the proverbial 'herd of cats'. You have no idea how bad the factional infighting in the Party is. The choice of Bob Barr, which most Libertarians (myself included) view as a total sell-out, is only going to create further division and animosity among the factions. But worse, it destroyed the one big thing that earned some respect from non-Libertarians. We always had quirky, nerdy candidates, but they were men of principle, and thus the LP was the party of principle. No longer. Selecting Bob Barr just to get a well-known name on the ticket was an incredibly stupid move, IMO.

[INAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO66_d8i4kw

Biden the lone cowboy was brave enough to put us in our place.Give this Serbian thug a break.

[The Balkan]

Haha, yea I cought that when I watched it live, it was classic.

[INAT]

And what work do you think that is?


What I meant was that he has sided with the Albanian and Muslim cause in Jugo.He passed a resolution to bomb Serbia even going so far as
To take the advice of the Croat Franciscan clergyman Ilija Zivkovic who advised him on why the bridges in Belgrade, Serbia, must be bombarded.Biden is heavily biased against the Serbs and militantly pro-Croat, Muslim and Albanian. He has fought for the cause even before Milosevic was in power. Don’t make a statement like that and then ask what?

[The Balkan]

What I meant was that he has sided with the Albanian and Muslim cause in Jugo.He passed a resolution to bomb Serbia even going so far as
To take the advice of the Croat Franciscan clergyman Ilija Zivkovic who advised him on why the bridges in Belgrade, Serbia, must be bombarded.Biden is heavily biased against the Serbs and militantly pro-Croat, Muslim and Albanian. He has fought for the cause even before Milosevic was in power. Don’t make a statement like that and then ask what?

Yea that's what I thought, just confirming woot

He's pro Bosnian and Albanian yup. Hope they win. But not like if McCain wins it'll be any different for Serbia. Either way the choice sucks for you guys.

[deagle]

Biden seems like a good choice. but i do hope Clinton serves some role in his cabinet.

[Ordie]

Biden seems like a good choice. but i do hope Clinton serves some role in his cabinet.

Bill Clinton as US ambassador to China.

[Power_serj]

Jimmy Carter [first] US ambassador to Iran [since 1979]. :cantbeli: