Green Mountain Rangers

[MARINO]

Doesn't work so look there:
http://www.gmrangers.org/downloads.html

[n4292936]

those are the most hardcore red X's I've ever seen :)

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These guys firmly belong in the airsoft section

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

These guys firmly belong in the airsoft section

Word.

[Claymore]

Do you have what it takes to become a Ranger?

You must live in the New England states, have commitment to playing and training (2 days a month), maturity, transportation, funding, and be willing to work in a team that uses US military equipment exclusivly.



:cantbeli:

[MARINO]

:cantbeli: :oops:

[Fintin]

i love the smell of plastic in the morning....it smells like wannabes

[Gringo]

i love the smell of plastic in the morning....it smells like wannabes

careful what you say!

Not all of Airsofters where SF, SEAL, SAS insignia at the same time.

Besides plastics are being used more in real weapons nowadays.

[ZeroPositive]

cool hope to one day see these guys in person they look like a bunch of Geardo's!

[ctcboy]

Im curious. Do you not think that it is a sign of respect that these guys choose to emulate a real military unit?

[StukaJr]

Yeah - be careful :| I had pleassure of running into those guys and not only some of the members are ex US military, all of them take it very seriously and look at it as training more than play. There are few groups like that, for example "Hatchet Force" on the West Coast - they maybe carrying plastic bb firing replicas but that's about where the difference between that and real training ends. Carrying full combat load and humping it in the wilderness for days without having being told - that deserves some respect...

[Saranof]

Yeah, not all airsofters are 15 year olds with a Rangerbadge. Loads over here are ex military, military or police.
I myself are niether yet, but I still take it prwetty seriously when I play. I don't try to be sasdeltaspetznatz, but it's just plain fun to "play war" ;)

[shrek]

Serious Question for the Airsofters:

Has anyone in your group, that you know of for sure, ever been in actual combat. Let me clarify, not in a "combat zone" but in the actual pulling-the-trigger type stuff. Serious question, no flame, jsut curious how they handle it!

[Gringo]

Serious Question for the Airsofters:

Has anyone in your group, that you know of for sure, ever been in actual combat. Let me clarify, not in a "combat zone" but in the actual pulling-the-trigger type stuff. Serious question, no flame, jsut curious how they handle it!

not that I am aware of. But a few of the older members at the local site are ex-military. we also have support from the local regiment, who do play some games with us.
and there is an organisation called Stirling Services which run by ex-SF, who specialize in forms of training, and organize airsoft events aswell. One of whom was in the Iranian Embassy Siege.
I read that he had a negative view of airsoft when he first heard about it, now he's involved in it.

www.stirlingservices.com

[SiFiOn]

http://www.gmrangers.org/images/wallpaper/GMR%20wallpaper%201.jpg

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Worked well over here ;)

[deutschersoldat]

lol "further faster stronger" ^^

[thsf121821]

The pictures above are of the Green Mountain Rangers. They base themselves out of the New England area and have become one of the more well known and popular Airsoft teams in the country. You guys should knock em. They have done alot for the sport. They take it very seriously and are always very proffesional. I have played against them on a few occasions at a location in Western Mass (where the pics were taken) and they are a very squared away team. There team along with many others, as well as mine, belongs to the New England Airsoft Group (www.neasg.org). It is a non profit organization that promotes the safe, organized and proffesional continuence of Airsoft. I can see why Airsoft gets a bad wrap. Many times you do get the big "weekend warrior" outcome, or the young kids "schools out" outcome. Just the same as paintball. There is also a large contingent of current and retired military, law enforcment etc. The NEASG currently has two memebers in Iraq working as close security officers. Those of us who take it seriously would call it a lifestyle. You can challenge yourself as much as you want. GMR, as well as the NEASG continues to raise the bar for MilSim airsoft and constantly challenges its followers in many different ways. Unlike Airsoft in other parts of the country, events within the NEASG are planned to last a full day within the field. Many Ops are created to have the players fully immersed for a few days at a time. All im says guys is that the Green Mountain Rnagers are a great group of highly motivated guys that have done alot for the sport and you shoundlty knock it until you have experienced it. Thanks for your time.

[shrek]

****, do you guys pay for all that stuff yourselves?

That stuff's expensive!

WE each spent over $1000.00 each before we left for A-stan. Mainly because we lacked some essential stuff.


Hey, as long as you guys are honoring our military and training in realistic ways, I think it's great. De Opresso Liber. Hell, someday you might have an effect on some young person to join the elite and do it for real.

[pipaz]

i wonder where yall get your money

rob a bank ...(just kiddin)

[StukaJr]

Actually, 4 guys opted and signed up for military service from being members of NEASG and just playing airsoft on the weekends - maybe more since I moved from the New England Area. Proper approach to airsoft instills respect for military service and best to illustrate the allure one may have towards joining in.

As for actual "trigger pullers" - there are certainly ex-combatants and I've dealt with combat Veterans, even Vietnam vets who played airsoft or did military re-enactments. But times are a lot rougher now than they were when I was into airsoft - a lot of people I used to play with, have re-joined the service and now doing it for real.

And yeah - most airsofters spend their rent money on gear... At least - I used to :bash:

[shrek]

Cool


It canonly help with their future if they have some realistic training before joining. Give them a taste of what to come. Let me know if I can help


Shrek out

[California Joe]

Damn, and I've got 89 acres in Vermont to run around on....Hmmmmm.

Can't say that those guys aren't seriously in to it. More power to them.

The insignia explanation cracks me up though. Couldn't just say, "we thought the dagger looked badass and vampire skulls RULE" Not a shot at them, I've done a lot of logos for real military units and programs and they always come up with dopey explanations after the fact too. ;)

[StukaJr]

Your pics and insight are great help, Shrek - keep them coming!

And no airsofter would ever mean disrespect by emulation - only respect and kudos woot

[Whisper]

shrek, as to your question about guys with real trigger time. I am one of them, I know Hatchet Force pretty well, and worked with them at Operation Lion Claws III this past month on memorial day weekend. I was Colonel. Danny McKnight's XO and LT of 3rd Plt during the game. As for my military expierence, i was deployed to Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia, and then finally to the giant gravel pit itself A-stan (1st/75th, Alpha Co.).

RLTW!!!

[Mad Dog]

Col. Danny McKnight (former Ranger commander) has his own airsoft team, or at least had his own team.

[MARINO]

Col. Danny McKnight (former Ranger commander) has his own airsoft team, or at least had his own team.
Amazing guy. :D

[shrek]

WHISPER: PM!!

[Whisper]

From the conversation I have had with the Colonel, he doesn't have his own team and never did. He leads a company at Lion Claws and Operation irene but thats it. I raised the idea to him once, but he say "to be honest, i'm busier than a 3 peckered billy goat." he said he's almost more busy now that he's retired than he was while he was still serving. All the man does if fly all over the country making speeches and giving talks. Hardly has time to rest. But he is an amazing guy, if any of you ever have the chance to go to one of the games, i can arrange that your a part of his CP detail for a scenario. He puts me in charge of that at all the games. I try to get my friends and other people who really want to meet him on the detail so they can have one-on-one time with him. It's a lot of fun. Best part is you can kill everyone you like, and at the end of the day you all come back to life and get to have a couple beers and BS.

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

I love airsofters. They add to the market, and thus drive down the price of equipment for everyone. As far as I'm concerned, If you want to spend $1000 on a full set of webbing for your girlfriend just so you can have kinky costume ***, go nuts! as long as I share in the savings all the more power to ya.

No offence to costume *** freaks, it looks like fun to me.

[TacoDelRio]

Some of you guys need to have a bit more respect for those who play airsoft. I've had my own team since 1998, and I know, I know, I MUST be a wannabe. ;)

I joined the Army and made it through Basic and AIT (Infantry OSUT) as an 11B, in the hopes of getting into the 75th RR (which makes me a wannabe right?), but before Airborne school, I was medically discharged because I just happen to have a coronary artery disease. Great woot . I'm currently slowly working my way around my "extended 2 year leave" to get a commision, and a waiver. (All this from a wannabe?)

I currently play airsoft, and I am considered "hardcore". I wear only what I made or earned. I don't pretend I'm some high-speed low-drag SF guy, because I'm not (yet). If someone tells me I'm a wannabe, they can suck my nuts. I betcha alot of people here who badmouth airsofters don't even intend to serve their country in a front-line combat unit. For Christ's sake, just because they like to do that stuff doesn't make them wannabe's or asshats or Billy Badasses or whatever. Have some damned respect.

Alot of people seem to say "Oh, look. How cute! They're dressing up and playing army! Isn't that sweet?". Yeah, it is sweet, seeing that some of us go out and train in the mud dirt and rain for a week at a time unsupported so that we can do a better job in our careers protecting this great nation. It's training. My team doesn't just go out to the desert so we can shoot little plastic balls at each other and pretend we're Randy Shughart or some high-speed dude or whatever.

All in all, some of you need to stop acting all high and mighty by "dissing" us "airsoft players". You know who you are. Show some maturity by just ignoring us if you're so amazing yourself.

If anyone has any problems with airsofters as a whole, or has problems with what I've said, PM me.

DB p-)

[Bombtrack]

I dont get why you Hardcore airsofter types dont join the military... I really dont. (Not A Flame) Someone care to enlighten me?

[TacoDelRio]

Mattiogta,

Whether or not you meant myself by your post, you can see that I did join the US Army, and I'm a "hardcore airsoft player". Sometimes health says otherwise, but in the end, it's just there to show how determined you really are to do what you want to do, and serve your country above all.

There are some airsofters out there who only do stuff for looks, and I really truly hate that. Just make sure you don't generalize. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Not everyone is a pussy in soldier's clothing.

DB

[b00n]

I dont get why you Hardcore airsofter types dont join the military... I really dont. (Not A Flame) Someone care to enlighten me?

Because you cant join if you already got a fulltime job but also enjoy the "military simulation" on the weekends?

[Bombtrack]

What about the reserves b00n?

and MrSkorotsnoy,

"Just make sure you don't generalize. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Not everyone is a pussy in soldier's clothing."

Thats actually opposite of what I meant - the "hardcore airsofters" look like keen and gung-ho individuals, that's why I don't get why the majority dont serve in their forces.

[Jacko]

Too old, family, already served, medical issues, hell, even nationality issues (One of my teammates is Slovakian sans green card)... Quite a few reasons, really.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Agreed theres many reasons for people that play airsoft who are not in the military. Mostly medical / age reasons.

I've played with a few airsofters who are in the military, even a few who have been deployed in various places. I dont care to ask or know about there experiences, because thats up to them if they want to tell me. Generally everyone isnt the "paintballer school kid" type, you mainly find that with people who rent guns.

[mattnwnc03]

not bad, everybody needs a hobby

[bolter9]

I'm into mil-sim paintball (proably has some similarities to airsoft)- I didn't join the military because I chose a different career- did college and now at 31 am pretty happy where I'm at...career, wife, house, cat....:lol:

I just do it for a hobby to break up the day-to-day, and the military aspect makes it more of a thinking man's game then speedball.

We've got guys on our team who play for different reasons- ex military and ex LE guys who are trying to get a bit of what they had (or didn't), but in the end we're all just out to have some fun.

Anyway, not looking for anyone's approval on this- I'm pretty comfortable with it myself...just posting for an FYI that in most cases this is really just like any other sport hobby- something akin to skiing, mountain biking, etc- they all have different levels or participation.

[b00n]

What about the reserves b00n?

and MrSkorotsnoy,

"Just make sure you don't generalize. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Not everyone is a pussy in soldier's clothing."

Thats actually opposite of what I meant - the "hardcore airsofters" look like keen and gung-ho individuals, that's why I don't get why the majority dont serve in their forces.


Well you have to enlist and serve before you can join the reserves at least here in germany.

Anyway i personally plan to enlist after got my job graduation. Maybe even stay there depending on how the "real life experience" is ;)

[Knight]

Well I got wind of this thread from someone on our airsoft board.

I would like to explain to you all who have given the (GMR) Green Mountain Rangers either a positive or a negative boost. I am on GMR and have been for many years so I think I can convey what is truth over what is fiction for us and for airsoft.

The GMR are 1 of a number of teams in association with the NEASG (www.neasg.org). We are a bunch of everyday people who enjoy the military aspects of Airsoft and currently have 2 members working in Iraq and not as number crunchers. Myself as well as another member of GMR HAVE been in the service. I had a Navy Seal contract back in 1993 which I was intent on using. During my time in the service I injured my knees and was let go. The other member of GMR who was in the service was in the army and did a lot of time in central and south america.

We have students, blue collar and LE personel on the team. There are many reasons why some of our members never did enter the service. As was stated here, we have a few that have been hurt and ineligible to enter or they are not into the whole strict life that is included.

Some of us do spend a ton of money on weapons and gear but it is no different from other hobbies or sports. You buy the best to play your game so why should we be any less. We play very hard and do not take this serious, nor do we consider ourselves "operators". There is nothing wrong with what we do just as there is nothing wrong with high school teams acting their MLB dream or enjoying the game and the dress-up. We have trainings usually once or twice a month and play hardcore mil-sim games almost the entire year. Our game days last anywhere from 9am to 4pm or later straight. We do not take breaks or have multiple games. There is a specific set of missions that have to be done and it takes all day to complete.

The photos that are listed on our website are from our magazine article in FPS. In the US airsoft world we are pretty well known at least on our side of the country if not on the west coast as well as being nice guys and good players. Please don't assume that we are a bunch of wanna-bes that are all show and no glow.

[ch703]

embodies their loyalty to fellow team members and good health. The black border denotes the team’s ability to deliver swift and overwhelming force against any opponent. The vampire skull symbolizes their immortality as a team, their fierceness in battle, and their love of the night. The Ranger band holds them together as Green Mountain Rangers. The dagger is a symbol of the strength, honor, and heritage by
which every Green Mountain Ranger lives.


oh yeah they're only airsofters! rofl

[Praetorian 05]

Only Airsofters!? I've been in the Military for a long time. I just retired and now I'm back in the sand. I have tried the various types of games involving military tactics ie. paintball, laser tag and Airsoft. The only thing that I've noticed is what makes the difference between a good game and a bad one is; the good games all had dedicated individuals, while the bad ones had a bunch of slackers.
In the military that is what sets good teams apart from bad ones; the slackers! The real deal has its share of slackers. As is with any organization; we all know some dudes that slipped through the cracks.
There are plenty of dudes who run around calling themselves Shooters, but haven't been in the Zone. Or if they were in the Zone, their combat experience was limited to running to a scud bunker while Hadji dropped a few rounds. Being in the Zone and being in the Sh!t are 2 different things.
Anyone that has done it for real knows how important training is. I view Airsoft as an excellent training opportunity. Everything is the same, the weapons and tactics; except when you mess up in Airsoft you don't get dropped into a bodybag. You get to AAR and try it again. Being that I am now retired; I don't get access to the Shoot House, and my ammo is no longer supplied by Uncle Sugar. I personally don't have 3K to 5K to give a shooter school everytime I want to practice. But I need to train as much as I always did. The replicas allow me to practice all the same drills as before, but the cost are affordable. The only thing missing is recoil and muzzle blast. This still requires time with real steel, but at a much more realistic investment. So when I'm not on a contract, I still can workout. Then I am ready for the 2 week trainups most companies do before you get the gig.
So to all you socalled Real Shooters who talk crap about something you haven't tried or a TOO COOL to try; you are telling story about yourself!
You are basically saying that you aren't willing to use every available opportunity to make yourself better. A real professional will use anything available to give him an edge. The money is only good, if you live to spend it.

[rangerone]

Serious Question for the Airsofters:

Has anyone in your group, that you know of for sure, ever been in actual combat. Let me clarify, not in a "combat zone" but in the actual pulling-the-trigger type stuff. Serious question, no flame, jsut curious how they handle it!

Yes. There are quite a few people on my team that are in the military and have been deployed. One teammate is a former Marine Scout/Sniper who was deployed during the Gulf War and to Bosnia, another is an Army Engineer who is currently in Iraq, another is a Marine who is in Iraq, and yet another teammate is about to do some contracting jobs over in Iraq.

[Pyle]

lol "further faster stronger" ^^

Deeper?

[Tranceaddict]

also part of the NEASG is Team G.A.I (ground assault infantry)

with a moto of "Death from Behind" :lol:

Those guys are the funnest people to play with.
http://www.team-gai.tk/

[bolter9]

Only Airsofters!? I've been in the Military for a long time. I just retired and now I'm back in the sand. I have tried the various types of games involving military tactics ie. paintball, laser tag and Airsoft. The only thing that I've noticed is what makes the difference between a good game and a bad one is; the good games all had dedicated individuals, while the bad ones had a bunch of slackers.
In the military that is what sets good teams apart from bad ones; the slackers! The real deal has its share of slackers. As is with any organization; we all know some dudes that slipped through the cracks.
There are plenty of dudes who run around calling themselves Shooters, but haven't been in the Zone. Or if they were in the Zone, their combat experience was limited to running to a scud bunker while Hadji dropped a few rounds. Being in the Zone and being in the Sh!t are 2 different things.
Anyone that has done it for real knows how important training is. I view Airsoft as an excellent training opportunity. Everything is the same, the weapons and tactics; except when you mess up in Airsoft you don't get dropped into a bodybag. You get to AAR and try it again. Being that I am now retired; I don't get access to the Shoot House, and my ammo is no longer supplied by Uncle Sugar. I personally don't have 3K to 5K to give a shooter school everytime I want to practice. But I need to train as much as I always did. The replicas allow me to practice all the same drills as before, but the cost are affordable. The only thing missing is recoil and muzzle blast. This still requires time with real steel, but at a much more realistic investment. So when I'm not on a contract, I still can workout. Then I am ready for the 2 week trainups most companies do before you get the gig.
So to all you socalled Real Shooters who talk crap about something you haven't tried or a TOO COOL to try; you are telling story about yourself!
You are basically saying that you aren't willing to use every available opportunity to make yourself better. A real professional will use anything available to give him an edge. The money is only good, if you live to spend it.

...Finally someone talking some sense about this topic!

[hahaha]

Ahahahaha....

Buy an airsoft toy.
Buy some authentic gear and webbing.
Play airsoft for 2 years.
Go to Iraq and become a PMC.
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End up getting kidnapped and then beheaded; mainly because you are too busy worrying about how 'hardcore' you look.

[Praetorian 05]

Haha,

The PMCs require more experience than airsoft provides. I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested that either. Obviously you have never had experience with various training techniques. In the past the Special Units in the military have used everything from BB guns, paintball, to MILES, the latest being Simunitions. Inorder to cut down on the costs and still provide realistic training. Anything that allows training to be conducted with added effect of being hit when you make a mistake. The benefit that AS replicas provide is the authenticity to the make and model of real steel. It is excellent in that you can train to the level of muscle memory.
More than 70% percent of the guys I work with train with AS replicas. When we return the other 30% are buying theirs. The biggest reason is cost savings. It doesn't cost much to feed and AS replica, and training can be conducted almost anywhere. You can setup a CQB site with 2x4s and canvas.
So try it before you knock it. Unless of course you're a millionaire and have your own shoothouse. If that is the case; would you be interested in sponsoring a team of shooters and let us use your facilities, at little if any cost? Say $10 per thousand rounds!

[Saranof]

Simple reason you play, it's fun to play war for a while! Dress up as what you'd like to be/ or what you are. Our team is currently regrouping to become CPT. Mainly cos they look good.

[Dalleer]

Well , I do play airsoft and despite it have to do my military service in Finland. I'll continue "airsofting" after it as well , hopefully with some new ideas and experiences under my proverbial "belt" gained in the FDF.

I have to say, that the dudes who I have played with and have down their service are really the best people to airsoft with. They create the realism in the games I've been in , and without them it just wouldn't be the same.

[rangerone]

Ahahahaha....

Buy an airsoft toy.
Buy some authentic gear and webbing.
Play airsoft for 2 years.
Go to Iraq and become a PMC.
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End up getting kidnapped and then beheaded; mainly because you are too busy worrying about how 'hardcore' you look.

Did I just hear the voice of stupidity? :bash:

You must be some kind of retard to think that someone who aspires to be a PMC would only use airsoft to train for such a profession. My friend who is a PMC AND an airsofter has gone through much training to assure that something like getting kidnapped wont happen if and when he goes over to Iraq.

I must say though, the team that he is going with is using airsoft to do some force on force training :P