Some personal weapon pics - not for 56k'ers

[Graeme]

Seeing as it was the 60th anniversary of D-Day yesterday, and watching the TV last night put me in the mood to have a little play with my WW2 goodies. Photos are of my personal WW2 marked Bren Gun Mk2, and an Enfield No.4 Mk1. If you have any questions or querys, feel free to ask.
Enjoy.

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[ShotOver]

You are one lucky man mate.
Enfield No.4 Mk1 is my dream rifle, don't know why but you just can't beat the craftsmanship and the look of it, would love to get my hands on one, one day :)

[AFG]

http://graeme.ascuk.net/mp/9.jpg

that is a beautiful rifle there...

[Graeme]

thanks :)

[Hawaii_Light]

nice dude, i always wondered how they aimed with a bren gun :) , thanks for clearing that up.

[Bombtrack]

Yeah you really are lucky! Great weapons and nice pictures of them

[Fargin]

nice dude, i always wondered how they aimed with a bren gun :) , thanks for clearing that up.

x2

great pics, but dude you need new trainers ;)

[Graeme]

4 years old and still comfy :) I don't really, i just use them for bumming around in, if im working, i wear boots.

[memphiz]

Great pics thanks for sharing

[Chrome Beretta]

Dude, that MkII is sooo sweet.

[ZeroPositive]

sweet weapons, I have only used the LMG version of the Bren that takes different NATO rounds and it was fun :) never jamed and had a good laugh running about with it.

:)

[SR15]

nice pics, thx for posting.
btw, I didnt know Enfield had rem. mags?? 10 rounds?

[Graeme]

They are removeable yeah, but the rifle is really fed with 2 5 round stripper clips, as shown. So yeah, 10 rounds, and one in the chamber.

[caleb]

nice guns... I especially love the Bren Gun

btw: you have some really fücked up shoes there, mate :P

[Graeme]

You'd be ****ed up if you spent the best part of 4 years on my feet. Stop looking at my shoes damnit :P

[SiFiOn]

Nice pictures Graeme.

We use the Enfield for PT on the obstacle course, quite a shame isn't it?

[Graeme]

Better than seeing no use at all.

[SiFiOn]

Better than seeing no use at all.

I agree!

[chauncy republicans]

Those weapons are ****in beutifull!!

[oldsoak]

As a cadet we had Brens in the school armoury - the fulll on jobbies, the tragedies of Hungerford and Dunblaine were years into the future then. It never ceased to amaze me how well they were made - machined and forged in a wartime economy. A lot of modern stuff just doesnt have that same feel of craftmanship.

[Philbert]

We used to have SLR's in our armoury, well that was untill the newer gunlaws were past in Australia after the tasmanian shooting.
but then they all had to be destroyed

[Mark Sman]

Very nice. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

"All hail the Enfield."

No seriously, down on your knees and hail.

Thats better.

I have a No.1 MkIII* BSA 1916 that doesn't get as much range time as it deserves. I'lle get pics up if I can.

The supply of HXP ammo is just about used up here, and I've started translating to Sellier &Bellot. I will not shoot the crappy corrosive POF. No mater what. I had the SMLE rebarelled by a master and it is now DOBA (Dead On Balls Accurate, its a technical term).

What ammo are you throwing downrange now? I'm going US $10 a box of 20 for the S&B ammo in the store, and about $9 online.

[Durandal]

Picked up my N0. 4 Mk I for 85.00 USD....best steal in the world.

My wood furniture is not nearly in such nice condition as yours though. VERY nice.

To Mark: I shoot Remington/UMC through mine. About 14.95 a box of twenty. I just picked up dies for my press though, so shooting it is baout to become a whole lot cheaper...and more entertaining.[/img][/list]

[Locked N Loaded]

Gracme: Nice weapons man! Take care of them as they are more than just guns, they are part of history! Great pic's also.

L n L

[MolliG]

Deacts right, Graeme?

Nice pictures. :D

[Graeme]

Indeed, you really think a 16 year old person in the UK would be packing a section 5 license to have a bren? heh nah. Section 1 soon.....*rubs hands*

[Graeme]

As a cadet we had Brens in the school armoury - the fulll on jobbies, the tragedies of Hungerford and Dunblaine were years into the future then. It never ceased to amaze me how well they were made - machined and forged in a wartime economy. A lot of modern stuff just doesnt have that same feel of craftmanship.

Other than the obvious damage done by deactivation, only the pistol grip has really suffered damage, its chipped on the right side(as you can see.). The butt has a name scrolled into it, presumably the gunner's name. Metal is in good condition, some wear but excellent quality for being 60ish years old. The bolt is still shiny :)

[Dutchman2]

Im a member of a shooting club named: "The British Lee" :D ! Every member owns a Lee Enfield, and we have all types in stock, even a rare .22 trainging version with 10 round mag ;) . I own a Canadian Long Brange No 4 Mk3 in mint condition, 1950 manufactured. I like the Canadians, because of the dark American Walnut stocks (matches nice with my M1 Carbine, M1 Garand and M14 :D :D :D ). I like the looks of the Enfield, but unfortunatly, the Enfield arn't accurate :( .
I shot one time 20 rounds with the Bren in the Army. Lot's of fun, and I was suprised of the less recoil the Bren produces. It was very easy to knock down targets at 100 meters. And it can fire semi auto also. Each month, we as civilian shooters are allowed to shoot on the biggest rifle range in the Netherlands, and there are allway's two old man with Bren's. The last two in civil hands. The bought it before there was a ban on Full Auto weapons. I hate the idea the when thoose two guy's dies, the Bren's will be destroyed :( !

Nice pic's and nice weapons!

Greets,

Roger

[Graeme]

Bren is pretty heavy(circa 25lbs?) its gonna soak up a fair bit of the recoil. Only fired one live round from a .303 enfield(mine is a deactivated one.) and that was a rather hot, handloaded round. Only being 8 at the time, I didn't like it :) Guess the steel butt plate didn't help :P

Having played around with the Bren's trigger, i reckon it'd be easy to lock down to semi auto. Lovely semi auto it'd be, bit big though :)

[Mark Sman]

I like the looks of the Enfield, but unfortunatly, the Enfield arn't accurate

The Enfield is extraordinarily accurate. After the war, and into the 50s they were used by UK and Canadian rifle teams to win many championships.

Mine shoots 1 MOA with surplus ammo. I expect improvement with the S&B. With handloads they can be tack drivers. Check out te T models used by snipers some time. Pretty much regarded as the best in WWII. The triggers are simple to tune.

[Dutchman2]

I like the looks of the Enfield, but unfortunatly, the Enfield arn't accurate

The Enfield is extraordinarily accurate. After the war, and into the 50s they were used by UK and Canadian rifle teams to win many championships.

Mine shoots 1 MOA with surplus ammo. I expect improvement with the S&B. With handloads they can be tack drivers. Check out te T models used by snipers some time. Pretty much regarded as the best in WWII. The triggers are simple to tune.

Hmmm, well, proberly you have one of the few enfields that are accurate :roll: ... Comparing the accuracy with his class mates; the US Rifle '03 A3 or the Swedish Mauser in 6,5X55, the Enfield IS un-accurate. And compairing the accuracy between my bold action Enfield (trust me; it's a factory new rifle, and glassbedded with a trigger job and using of his best diet of hand loaded ammo with 174 grains Sierra Match King bullets) and my semi-automatic M1 Garand with 50 years old factory ammo, the Enfield will loose unfortunatly... Here in Holland, nobody ever won a match with a Enfield. It's a nice rifle, relaible and beautiful rifle with a proud history (that's why I love it so much), but I will never use it when i've to take it up against a '03 A3 or the Swedish Mauser.
The everage score shot with a Enfield and a good shooter on a match will be approx 240 from the 300 points on 100 meters. That's the same score a M1 Carbine will reach woth the same shooter :lol: , trust me, I'm not joking.
But what the heck, the Enfield is a darn nice rifle! I'll never sale it! :D :D :D !!!

Greets,

Roger

[Mark Sman]

I've shot alot of competition, and I've never seen an M-1 carbine that could score like an Enfield. Never. Anywhere. In 30 years.

Thats pretty much ridiculous. I own both and shoot both. If you cant shoot 300/300 offhand with the Enfield at 100m (ie bayonet range) the problem is either poor rifle maintenance or bad shooting. Check the headspace on the Enfield. Does the NOGO guage clack?

If the Enfield is so innacurate, then why did Canadian and UK rifle teams use them during the 40s and 50s? How did they win so many competitions?

Hell, they used to shoot Palma with Enfields. Of course this has gone out the window with today's "super rifles." And I have to agree that my match AR blows the doors off my Enfield. But to say the Enfield isn't accurate is folly.

Its actually kind of funny to hear people say this considering the number of years it enjoyed its well deserved reputation of accuracy on the field of combat and at the rifle range.

edit: posted this picture because I thought it showed a nice (T) model.
This is not my No.1 MkIII*.
http://members.optushome.com.au/lee-enfield/images/MkIT.jpg

[Dutchman2]

I've shot alot of competition, and I've never seen an M-1 carbine that could score like an Enfield. Never. Anywhere. In 30 years.

I know it sounds totaly weird, but we have shooters here in Holland that can shoot with their Carbine very high scores. I post it before on battlerifles.com, and they refuse to believe that :D . But it's the truth.


Thats pretty much ridiculous. I own both and shoot both. If you cant shoot 300/300 offhand with the Enfield at 100m (ie bayonet range) the problem is either poor rifle maintenance or bad shooting. Check the headspace on the Enfield. Does the NOGO guage clack?

My rifle is in mint condition and headspace is fine. I'm in the top-10 of matches with military rifles (veteran classes, that means all army rifles that arn't in 5,56X45 NATO caliber) and in the top there isn't a Enfield around. That are all M14's, Sprinfield 03A3's, Swedish mausers and some newer 7,62X51mm like the AR-10 etc. I must say that the Enfield is VERY around, because we used get them for free if you bought a cheap crate of Dutch 1950's vintage .303 ammo :D ! ofcourse, a more nicer, or even a mint condition rifle, are more expensive. But it was the cheapest rifle avaible here.


If the Enfield is so innacurate, then why did Canadian and UK rifle teams use them during the 40s and 50s? How did they win so many competitions?
Hell, they used to shoot Palma with Enfields.

What I heard and read in magazines, is that the Brits with their high tuned Enfields couldn't compair with the Americans :roll: ...


Its actually kind of funny to hear people say this considering the number of years it enjoyed its well deserved reputation of accuracy on the field of combat and at the rifle range.


Yeah, pretty funny isn't it. Well come to a match here in Holland and I wish you luck with your Enfield. BTW, this is not a flame, but I try to say a Enfield simply cant beat the other rifles I mentioned. That doesn't mean I don't like the rifle. I LIKE IT VERY MUCH!!!!! Otherwise I didn't spend one of the of the maximum 5 firearms the law allows me to own on a Enfield, or become a member of a club FULL with Enfields and even named "The British Lee" ;) :D . Ofcourse, compair the Lee enfield with a K98, or the Frensh Lebel, and the Enfield will win easy. I think the basic problem of the "lousy" accurasy is because of the .303 ammo. I think a Enfield in 7,62 will be much more accurate. And it proberly is, because the SAS used that sniper version up to the '90's.

ENFIELD FOR LIFE!!!!!

Greets,

Roger

[Graeme]

I've read accounts of the (T) model not being grouping tightly over short ranges, but at longer ranges it really can do some good stuff, for what it is. Oddly enough i have the No.32 Mk2 sniping scope used on The No.4 Mk1(T), ww2 dated and all.

[Durandal]

IOddly enough i have the No.32 Mk2 sniping scope used on The No.4 Mk1(T), ww2 dated and all.

Want to sell it? :)

[Mark Sman]

Whatever, come to the US and bring a carbine. Or borrow mine. We'll hit the range. Might want to start practicing past 100m though. The 600 line will be a hoot.

Also, here is something I posted previously that you may be interested in.

http://www.tristarsportingarms.com/images/NO4MK4-T.jpg
http://www.tristarsportingarms.com/m10rifles.htm

Brand new Enfields in 7.62x51 made in Australia. Have not arrived here (US) yet. About a month or so now. I called and asked and they said around US $750 for one. No doubt I could build up a modern type rifle cheaper, but thats not really the point is it. When they get here, I probably pick one up. They better hurry because I want a new (older) Garand that a local guy has for sale.

[Graeme]

Armalon in the UK make similar weapons out of old .303s.
Pistol calibre weapons, .223's., .308s, etc for practical shooting.

[Mark Sman]

Supposedly these AIM weapons imported by Tristar are going to be "entirely new." Supposedly not one surplus part.

Also, the rail in that pic is 1913. Which is cool and will make scope mount much easier. By By charger bridge though. Meh. I wish they had made it in .300 WSM instead of 7.62x51 and x39.

[Dutchman2]

Whatever, come to the US and bring a carbine. Or borrow mine. We'll hit the range. Might want to start practicing past 100m though. The 600 line will be a hoot.


Yes, we could have some quality range time :D ! Ofcourse, the M1 Carbine is only on 100 meters the best. After 100 meters will the score be wack.
BTW, I can bring my genuine USGI TRW M14, and my mint condition 100% Springfield Armory 1942 vintage Garand :backhand: ! I just bought a crate with the fine Portuguese 7,62 Nato ammo, and a crate with 1961 vintage Dutch manufactured .30 ball on clips. Also amazing accurate! I can have range fun for at least 6 months woot !!!!!
BTW, Australian Enfields are very around here in Holland. All brand new and from 1955. They are very accurate. I never saw them in 7,62 (yet..)

Greets,

Roger

[Dutchman2]

Whatever, come to the US and bring a carbine. Or borrow mine. We'll hit the range. Might want to start practicing past 100m though. The 600 line will be a hoot.


Yes, we could have some quality range time :D ! Ofcourse, the M1 Carbine is only on 100 meters the best. After 100 meters will the score be wack.
BTW, I can bring my genuine USGI TRW M14, and my mint condition 100% Springfield Armory 1942 vintage Garand :backhand: ! I just bought a crate with the fine Portuguese 7,62 Nato ammo, and a crate with 1961 vintage Dutch manufactured .30 ball on clips. Also amazing accurate! I can have range fun for at least 6 months woot !!!!!
BTW, Australian Enfields are very around here in Holland. All brand new and from 1955. They are very accurate. I never saw them in 7,62 (yet..)

Greets,

Roger

[Dutchman2]

BTW, I can bring my genuine USGI TRW M14, and my mint condition 100% Springfield Armory 1942 vintage Garand :backhand: !

The :backhand: should had been a woot ! Sorry! Hehehe.

BTW, I never fired a target beyond the 300 meters line. That 600 yards (540 meters) will be very interesting!

Greets -again-

Roger