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Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Orissa: Hindu extremists burn one nun alive, rape another
A Catholic nun was burnt alive by a group of Hindu fundamentalists who stormed the orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh (Orissa), this according to Police Superintendent Ashok Biswall.
A priest who was at the orphanage was also badly hurt and is now being treated in hospital for multiple burns.
Another nun from Bubaneshwar’s Social Centre was gang raped by groups of Hindu extremists before the building housing the facility was set on fire.
Sources also told AsiaNews that elsewhere one priest was wounded and two other were abducted.
The list of violent anti-Christian acts is thus getting longer.
For the past two days the state of Orissa (north-east India) has been racked by violence following the assassination of radical Hindu leader Swami Laxanananda Saraswati.
Churches, community and pastoral centres, convents and orphanages have been attacked yesterday and today by mobs shouting “Kill the Christians; destroy their institutions.”
Tensions in the state are in fact still running high. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has planned demonstrations for today and tomorrow. Gangs of Hindu fanatics from the VHP as well as Sangh Parivar are roaming roads and villages, setting up road blocks, sending their own members on raids of plunder and violence.
According to firsthand accounts the archdiocese’s social centre was attacked and torched. Before that the attackers raped Sister Meena, a nun working at the centre.
The local pastoral centre, which has escaped destruction in last December’s violence, is now a total wreck. Father Thomas, who ran the facility, is in hospital with serious head injuries.
Speaking to AsiaNews Fr Ajay Singh also said that a nun was burnt alive in an orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh.
Elsewhere Sisters of Mother Teresa have been attacked by stone-throwing Hindu militants with one seriously injured.
All Christian institutions are now in danger because mobs of Hindu radicals are roaming the streets, breaking down doors and smashing windows, including in some cases Christian homes. Many priests and nuns have had to escape.
In Bubaneshwar Hindu militants stoned the Archbishop’s residence, but did not dare invade the place because of police presence.
In Phulbani the parish church and the home of local clergy were attacked and set on fire. All local priests fled and found refuge in the homes of some of members of the local congregation.
The youth hostel that houses students who study in Phulbani has also been torched.
Some missionaries of Charity who were attending a health course in Brahamanigoan were blocked for hours in the village.
Elsewhere nuns left their convent finding shelter in some school buildings.
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Clerical Whispers: Orissa: Hindu extremists burn one nun alive, rape another (http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2008/08/orissa-hindu-extremists-burn-one-nun.html)
Excalibur
08-31-2008, 07:14 AM
unbelievable :-( .... beasts.
RIP to nun.
unbelievable :-( .... beasts.
RIP to nun.
:( its not the first incident of its kinds.
The poor Christians mostly who have converted from low cast Hindus into Christians are hunted by fantic Hindus every now and then.
The clashes are still continued.
http://www.dalitnetwork.org/go?/dfn/news/tragic_widespread_anti_christian_violence_in_eastern_india"]Tragic
Government authorities unable to stop Hindu nationalists from wreaking havoc
HYDERABAD – August 26, 2008 – In the aftermath of the murder of a Hindu swami by unknown assailants, mobs attacked the Christian community across the eastern state of Orissa. On Monday, a 12 hour strike called by hardliner Hindu nationalist organizations resulted in spreading violence. Media reports and eye witness accounts indicate several Christians were killed and hundreds of Christian properties burnt.
“Local leaders of the All India Christian Councill have lost count of the churches damaged, Christian homes vandalized, and pastors or priests beaten. On August 26, 1910, Mother Teresa was born. Today, exactly 98 years later, we are deeply saddened that her legacy of peace and compassion are being ignored by society in the state of Orissa,” said Dr. Joseph D’souza, President of the All India Christian Council (AICC).
Large numbers of police and Rapid Action Force troops were deployed over the weekend, yet twelve of thirty districts were reportedly affected by the violence. According to reports collected by the aicc, at least five people have died, one nun was raped, and hundreds of churches, Christian homes, Christian non-profit organizations’ offices, and Christian schools were heavily damaged or destroyed.
Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP or World Hindu Council) leader Lakshmanananda Saraswati was killed during an attack at an ashram in the hills of Kandhamal District, Orissa, on August 23, 2008, Saturday night. The elderly swami spent several decades in the district. He routinely criticized missionaries for conversion activities and sought to “re-convert” tribals and Dalits. Aicc leaders as well as major networks of churches in India, including the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India and the Evangelical Fellowship of India, condemned the killing of the swami and called for his attackers to be arrested and punished.
D’souza said, “The Orissa state government must restore order and prevent VHP activists from carrying out attacks and violating the rule of law. Then they must file cases against the perpetrators and push for rapid convictions. Lastly, we need fair and just compensation to victims, and we appeal to the Prime Minister to visit the victims as soon as possible.” Today hardliner Hindu nationalists say they cannot control their followers who are simply unleashing their frustration with unethical missionaries. Police say they cannot put officers in every village to protect Christians. Behind all the excuses, the reality is that there is a complete collapse of governance in Orissa,” said John Dayall, aicc Secretary General and Member of the National Integration Council. “It is the duty of the President and Prime Minister of India – as well as state governments – to protect the life, liberty, and property of every citizen. We hope and pray they will act before more innocent people are killed.”
Yesterday, on Aug. 25, 2008, the aicc appealed in writing to various authorities including the Prime Minister, President, Minister of Home Affairs, and various Orissa state government officials such as the Chief Minister and Home Secretary. A delegation of both Protestant and Catholic Christians met the Minister of Home Affairs, Shivraj V. Patil, yesterday, Monday, evening. He offered federal resources but said he was awaiting the required request from the state government.
Orissa is ruled by a coalition government which includes the Bharatiya Janata Party, widely known as a party which embraces the creation of a Hindu homeland. Unlike many other states, Orissa has not set up a state commission for minorities which would investigate discrimination and violence against non-Hindu religious adherents.
From Dec. 24, 2007-Jan. 2, 2008, attacks in Kandhamal district killed at least four Christians and destroyed over 100 churches and 730 Christian homes. Several dozen women were ******ly harassed and assaulted, and more than 40 shops belonging to Christians were looted and destroyed. Most of the victims were Dalits, formerly known as untouchables.
India’s National Commission for Minorities issued a report after visiting Orissa on January 6-8, 2008 and again on April 21-24, 2008. They noted that caste-based discrimination played a role as well as an anti-conversion campaign conducted by Hindu extremists which “has aimed to prevent the conversion of tribals and Dalits to Christianity.” They faulted state government officials for not preventing the violence. Aicc leaders issued two reports.
The All India Christian Council birthed in 1998, exists to protect and serve the Christian community, minorities, and the oppressed castes. The aicc is a coalition of thousands of Indian denominations, organizations, and lay leaders.
For more information, contact Dr. Sam Paul, aicc Secretary Public Affairs
Dextermination
08-31-2008, 07:26 AM
Those hindus again....
Doublethinker
08-31-2008, 07:28 AM
Pakistani and Indian guys scream in front of the West something along the lines of: 'he's barbarian!', 'no,no he's barbarian!', 'no, he's the barbarianist barbarian here!'
Pakistani and Indian guys scream in front of the West something along the lines of: 'he's barbarian!', 'no,no he's barbarian!', 'no, he's the barbarianist barbarian here!'
barbarians are in every society so there is no question of crying to the west.
This issue is a very complex one and needs attention. Its not something linked with one individual.
Billions of people are at risk.
Are u supporting these killings ????
Are you supporting cast system in India ??
If not then why dont you comment objectve instead of terming it Indai, Pakistan match
Doublethinker
08-31-2008, 07:57 AM
barbarians are in every society so there is no question of crying to the west.
This issue is a very complex one and needs attention. Its not something linked with one individual.
Billions of people are at risk.
Are u supporting these killings ????
Are you supporting cast system in India ??
If not then why dont you comment objectve instead of terming it Indai, Pakistan match
Because the only reason you post it is because you don't like India in general and I don't possess enough infromation to make any kind of informed statement on the matter.
I studied Hindu philosophy as part of my courses but I don't understand what triggers such enmity towards christianity, since Hindus are usually amiable and there's nothing in brahmanism against other religious systems. The answer I usually found most plausible is that lower caste members converted to Christianity to escape from the rules of their system.
And while I believe that's sick and incorrect to force the religion unto anyone, esspecially if he's doomed to a lower fate in this religion, I think that's the main reason for agression towards Christianity is because of the attempts to control members rather than proselityze.
Because the only reason you post it is because you don't like India in general and I don't possess enough infromation to make any kind of informed statement on the matter.
I studied Hindu philosophy as part of my courses but I don't understand what triggers such enmity towards christianity, since Hindus are usually amiable and there's nothing in brahmanism against other religious systems. The answer I usually found most plausible is that lower caste members converted to Christianity to escape from the rules of their system..
OH My GOD guess i did not preparated the killing of Christians did i ??
And BTW would you be courageouse enough to say the same for Indians here that they are posting everything againstg Islam and Pakistan here because they hate them.
Secondly i dont whether you are defending Indians due to your hate against Islam or your love towards Hindus
But you surely are avoiding to see the reason behind these killings of Christians.
The killing of Christians is not a small thing as it is not only the religious factor but it is issue of billions of poor low cast hindus.
And while I believe that's sick and incorrect to force the religion unto anyone, esspecially if he's doomed to a lower fate in this religion, I think that's the main reason for agression towards Christianity is because of the attempts to control members rather than proselityze.
Control members??? :) My dear a country which calls herself secular and democratic why there should be any thing that stops people from choosing the faith they want to follow ???
and Why fanatics should kill convert Christians in the first place ??
In secular society dont you think everyone has the right to practice whatever he/she believes in ?
Because the only reason you post it is because you don't like India in general and I don't possess enough infromation to make any kind of informed statement on the matter.
Here is informed statment on the matter
Vatican condemns Orissa orphanage attack
Associated Press
Vatican City, August 26, 2008
First Published: 19:41 IST(26/8/2008)
Last Updated: 19:47 IST(26/8/2008)
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The Vatican on Tuesday criticised an attack in Orissa by suspected VHP activists who set fire to a Christian orphanage, killing a woman and seriously injuring a priest.
In a statement, the Vatican said the "Holy See expresses reprehension for these actions which harm the dignity and the freedom of people and compromise peaceful civilian coexistence."
It appealed for an end to violence and for "a climate of dialogue and reciprocal respect."
The denunciation of a top Vatican official in an interview with Italian daily Corriere della Sera published on Tuesday was harsher.
In the interview, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran called the attack "a sin against God and humanity." Tauran said there was "no possible justification" for yesterday's attack in Khuntapali, a village in Orissa.
"Certainly religion cannot be invoked for crimes of this type," Tauran, who heads the Vatican's council for inter-religious dialogue, was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
Tauran was quoted by Corriere as saying that the incident would prompt him to intensify his contacts with Hindu leaders. He urged them to address the problem of violence against Christians, which he claimed is being largely ignored.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=dba7da2f-9320-4264-bf22-112f650a8c94&ParentID=1843eeab-5d9d-49d3-bd83-fad0aaa721f5&&Headline=Vatican+condemns+Orissa+orphanage+attack+
Doublethinker
08-31-2008, 08:19 AM
OH My GOD guess i did not preparated the killing of Christians did i ??
I wasn't blaming you of anything, as a person. We are just having a discussion. Relax.
And BTW would you be courageouse enough to say the same for Indians here that they are posting everything againstg Islam and Pakistan here because they hate them.
I already did in one of the threads even before I posted here. Didn't take that much courage.
Secondly i dont whether you are defending Indians due to your hate against Islam or your love towards Hindus
But you surely are avoiding to see the reason behind these killings of Christians.
The killing of Christians is not a small thing as it is not only the religious factor but it is issue of billions of poor low cast hindus.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just saying that you muslims like to jump on the bandwagon and claim that you are of the same religious traditions and thus of the same Judeo-Christiantic civilization as we. Hindus do not. So you need to do more explanation here or simply say honestly "yeah, we have nothing to do with christian concepts of morality so judge us as aliens as you do with regards to hindus".
As I said befreo, I didn't have the info to make an informed statement what was the big reason for these killings and whether that was a manifestation of some inherent problems of Hindu religion and /or society, or just mob justice of idiots.
Control members??? :) My dear a country which calls herself secular and democratic why there should be any thing that stops people from choosing the faith they want to follow ???
and Why fanatics should kill convert Christians in the first place ??
In secular society dont you think everyone has the right to practice whatever he/she believes in ?
Thank you for the sweet form of address, darling :)
I agree with you on this one, that India should try to eliminatre such behaviour but I JUST DON'T KNOW if they are or aren't doing it already. Ghandi tried. Don't know what the next guys are doing. Maybe they are already doing it but it takes a long and hard process to break a tradition that has existed for centuries.
Maybe they are not, and then it really is a problem.
I wasn't blaming you of anything, as a person. We are just having a discussion. Relax.
I already did in one of the threads even before I posted here. Didn't take that much courage.
:) No problem
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just saying that you muslims like to jump on the bandwagon and claim that you are of the same religious traditions and thus of the same Judeo-Christiantic civilization as we. Hindus do not. So you need to do more explanation here or simply say honestly "yeah, we have nothing to do with christian concepts of morality so judge us as aliens as you do with regards to hindus".
Its not jumping on the banwagon dear we do believe and respect Jesus and Musa and consider them prophet of God.
There is no second opinion about it.
As far civilizations logicaly all needed reformation. we differe with few things that were never part of Christianity :)
As I said befreo, I didn't have the info to make an informed statement what was the big reason for these killings and whether that was a manifestation of some inherent problems of Hindu religion and /or society, or just mob justice of idiots.
Its not question of mob justice it has deep roots in the concept of Hindutva ideology which still is being carried out by orgainsations like RSS and VHP.
SO dear you need to read from all sources about this incident so that you should not be doubtful of the authenticity of the news.
The clash is still going on.
Thank you for the sweet form of address, darling :)
:) you are always welcome dear. Turst me im not a barbarian type of girl ;)
I agree with you on this one, that India should try to eliminatre such behaviour but I JUST DON'T KNOW if they are or aren't doing it already. Ghandi tried. Don't know what the next guys are doing. Maybe they are already doing it but it takes a long and hard process to break a tradition that has existed for centuries.
Maybe they are not, and then it really is a problem.
Gandhi is respected by us also so i will not be discussing if he tried or not unless i have the supporting material to defend my views here.
AS far this cast system in India well irrespecive of India-Pakistan rivalry during my visit to India in May few months back, i had realized that this cast system is the main curse plauging India.
Unless the top brass that is from high cast is willing to let low cast people walk these power corridors.
Centuries have passed but the problem does exist indeed it will take time but more important is the will and changing mentality.
Im sorry but the mentality is there very much which is hard to go.
(overlook my horrible spells dear :P)
Doublethinker
08-31-2008, 09:10 AM
:) you are always welcome dear. Turst me im not a barbarian type of girl ;)
Hey, some female barbarity wouldn't hurt under the right circumstances, if you know what I mean, babe ;)
well, integrism sucks.. and not only the muslim one.
mirza2003
08-31-2008, 10:27 AM
India is independent and free religion country but what you do when some Christan give a bible to ur Children and ask them to follow Christianity what you do.
people from churches do the same they offer money and all other thing to follow churches and result is you see no other religion do that except Christan.
this is my personal expression.
All money pump by Christan's country now told me is not this worng people fad up with all this result is here. i dont endores killing it is as bad as killing by taliban.
But we has to kill snake but why we beating footprint.
Stop this nonsense approaches you find solution.
Oh those Hindus!!!! Raping and Pillaging through eternity!,
PS: Can we have a neutral source please other than 'clearical whispers blogspot'
I hope all the nuts on both sides get struck by lightening, oxygen theives
PS: Just to give a heads up, lets not forget the Hindus killed also.
Rajkalsa has already said what is there to be said. But then again!
Oh those Hindus!!!! Raping and Pillaging through eternity!,
PS: Can we have a neutral source please other than 'clearical whispers blogspot'
I hope all the nuts on both sides get struck by lightening, oxygen theives
Its not the point that Hindus killed Christians its just that In Secular India, the Fanatic Hinud groups have a field day.
My god Adux the killing of Christians did take place at the hands of extermists of VHP the world media had reported that and you are asking for the neutral source ??
But anyway here is from your own Indian media not from Christian or other sources.
This is the fresh addition of the killing espisod
VHP activists ransack churches in Gwalior
29 Aug 2008, 2115 hrs IST,PTI
GWALIOR: Protesting against the murder of VHP leader including four others in Orissa, saffron workers here ransacked two churces and three schools run by the missionaries, police said.
The unidentified saffron workers damaged Aegical Church, St Paul Church, Carmel Convent School, St Teresa Convent and St, Paul School, police said.
They also damaged a few vehicles parked in the Aegical Church. Police has not yet registered the case in this regard, but deployed force at these places.
The missionary schools and organisations in Madhya Pradesh and Chhatisgarh remain closed on Friday.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/VHP_activists_ransack_churches_in_Gwalior/articleshow/3423219.cms
PS: Just to give a heads up, lets not forget the Hindus killed also.
Rajkalsa has already said what is there to be said. But then again!
Who started it in the first place???
Who attacked Christians ???
And this is not the only incidents they were attacks few months back also.
Why the extremists groups not handed strict punishment for earlier murders ??
Actually the Christians started it first by killing a Hindu Holyman in a school in front of children
It doesnt matter as far as I am concerned, All of them are scum.
This is one small area in a state in India, NOT the whole state or India. I live in 25% Christian state, Really do get more education, unlike def.pk and PDF this is quite a knowledgeable board, where the members from other countries easily found out your fellow compatriots game of sensationalist and biased article posting.
I dont believe anything from VHP or any christain armed gangs! None of them are worth my time.
Karaahmetoglu
08-31-2008, 11:19 AM
Rest IN peace, the only reason why Indians and Pakistanis hate each other is through religion, there are Turkish Jews and Christians and Turkish Muslims don't care, India and Pakistan should take suit.
Actually the Christians started it first by killing a Hindu Holyman.
It doesnt matter as far as I am concerned, All of them are scum.
:lol: :lol:
Adux please get your record straight.
Your claim has already been proven false and a lie.
Chirstians did not start it nor they had killed that Hindu Holyman.
Soon after the killing your own Indian police said that it was the handiwork of Moists.
The VHP fanatics making it an excuse attacked the Christians.
:lol: :lol:
Adux please get your record straight.
Your claim has already been proven false and a lie.
Chirstians did not start it nor they had killed that Hindu Holyman.
Soon after the killing your own Indian police said that it was the handiwork of Moists.
The VHP fanatics making it an excuse attacked the Christians.
As I said it doesnt matter to me, to let you know who funds Maoist in the North Eastern as well as other terror groups, new-age christian missionaries.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/baptist_church_backs_terrorism.htm
Rest IN peace, the only reason why Indians and Pakistanis hate each other is through religion, there are Turkish Jews and Christians and Turkish Muslims don't care, India and Pakistan should take suit.
My dear its not the clash between India and Pakistan.
Its the factual happening in the Secular India.
For me the only reason for any
grievances against India is the Kashmir issue and not Hinduism.
The killing of a Hindu leader from the Vishwa Hindu Parishad group and four others by suspected Maoist rebels August 23 sparked the violence in the tribal-dominated Kandhamal.
The Christians were targeted alleging their involvement in the murder.
The central government deployed para-military forces in the violence-hit districts to control the attacks, including burning of houses and churches.
Nearly 6,000 persons fled from the violence-hit areas to take shelter in government camps after hiding in the forest for days, it is estimated.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described the violence as a 'national disgrace
http://www.edunews.net/India/India's_Christian_educational_institutions_closed_down_in_protest_against_violence_822/
The Government is doing all it can to hunt down these nuts, from both sides. This is not a disgrace to India, but to Humanity! No wonder I cant stand organized religion.
My dear its not the clash between India and Pakistan.
Its the factual happening in the Secular India.
Let me guess, Government of India is doing all this.
For me the only reason for any
grievances against India is the Kashmir issue and not Hinduism.
Do you want me to qoute your post from def.pk and pdf about Hinduism and dark people...Jana tread carefully!
Anyways you are not worth talking(There is a lack of intellect and unexplicable bias) or getting a infraction for.
Goodbye!
As I said it doesnt matter to me, to let you know who funds Maoist in the North Eastern as well as other terror groups, new-age christian missionaries.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/baptist_church_backs_terrorism.htm
:) the insurgencies in India's north have been going on since 70s my dear Adux while the conversion to Christianity by low cast hindus is a recent phenomenon.
and those who convert to Christianity are soooo poor that they do not have much even to support own living how can they fund moists ??
and BTW come up with some authentic source instead of Indian propaganda blog that is aimed at distorting the image of Christians.
Anyways you are not worth talking or getting a infraction for.
Goodbye!
:) i am replying to you in a very civilized way if you cant i can not help it.
Anyways you are not worth talking(There is a lack of intellect and unexplicable bias) or getting a infraction for.
Goodbye!
Those who live in galss houses should not throw stons at others.
Criticising others while avoding when it comes to being criticised dont serve any purpose nor it helps us realise flaws in our own countries.
As I said it doesnt matter to me, to let you know who funds Maoist in the North Eastern as well as other terror groups, new-age christian missionaries.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/baptist_church_backs_terrorism.htm
After failing to curb the insurgency by Moists the Indian government came with this new idea of linking Moists and Churches.
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