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Jaguar
09-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Why Kosovo Wasn’t Worth It
Russia warned that Kosovo's independence would create a dangerous precedent. Georgia shows how it did.
Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/156317/page/1)

In February, with U.S. backing, Kosovo declared its independence—nine years after NATO went to war to end Serbia's thuggish behavior in the province. Shortly after Kosovo hoisted its new national flag, Russia, Serbia's patron, warned (in the words of its foreign minister) that the theory of secession used to strip away Kosovo had "created a precedent" applicable elsewhere. Now, in the aftermath of Russia's invasion of Georgia—supposedly for the protection of separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia—it's a good time to pause and ask, was Kosovo worth it?

A recent visit to the tiny country underscores how difficult life can be for a microstate. The good news is that Kosovo has a young pro-Western population that speaks English, has strong tech skills and is excited at the thought of creating a new government.

But there is plenty of bad news. The unemployment rate for young people is 60 percent. The landlocked, mountainous country has a long growing season and could serve as a garden for Europe, but it lacks any transport beyond two-lane roads, a rusting rail line and expensive air links. The current prime minister, Hashim Thaci—a former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)—promises to build a real highway to next-door Albania in five years, but that's hardly the best path to the outside world. Meanwhile, the electricity frequently shuts off for hours at a time, even in the capital, Pristina, and the construction of a World Bank-financed power plant has been slowed by quarrels over who will supply the coal.

Pristina bustles with restaurants supported by a large population of international personnel whose spending habits outprice the locals. The roads leading to Kosovo's borders are lined with half-completed brick houses. But these are funded by remittances from young people who've left to work in Germany, Switzerland and Italy. Inside the country, the economy is so bad that many fear that unemployed young men will start turning to old-fashioned, illicit forms of cross-border commerce: trafficking in narcotics, weapons or human beings.

As for the government of this nascent state, there's still a great deal of confusion about who's in charge. Blocked by Russia, the U.N. Security Council has not been able to lift its supervisory political framework put in place after the NATO intervention. The international proconsul, Lamberto Zannier—the U.N. secretary-general's special representative—remains in Kosovo, though his duties have become increasingly unclear. But he's still needed, since Belgrade refuses to talk directly to the Kosovo government. The U.N. Mission is also the only local authority accepted by the many Serbs who still live in northern Kosovo, including in the contested city of Mitrovica.

The European Union and the United States have recently mounted an independent effort to help the fledgling state write laws and solve administrative problems. But the wiring of this operation would fox any electrician. The EU was to deploy 1,700 police, judges, prosecutors, jail guards and Customs officials to help, but their assignments have been delayed because of the confusion over who's in charge. More than 15,000 NATO troops remain on duty in the tiny state. But NATO forces failed to control ethnic riots the last time they broke out, in March 2004, with disastrous consequences, including eight reported deaths, 900 injured, the destruction of hundreds of Serb homes and the burning of churches and priceless artifacts. NATO countries have since loosened the rules of engagement that hamstrung the troops, but they remain soldiers, not police, and it's not clear whether they have the tools for nonlethal riot control.

The recent return of former KLA leader Ramush Haradinaj to political life may further roil the new state. Haradinaj was acquitted in April by The Hague tribunal on charges of complicity in the murder of Serb civilians during the war. This decision, following the intimidation and deaths of witnesses, further unnerved the local Serb community, and Haradinaj's return may also threaten Thaci's leadership.

Internationally, the outlook isn't much brighter. Only 45 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. It will never be admitted to the United Nations while veto-wielding Russia opposes it, though it can join the World Bank, where no vetoes can be cast. Among its European neighbors, Bosnia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Slovakia—and, notably, Georgia—have all refused to grant recognition. Kosovo's newly issued passports may go unrecognized at international airports, leaving Kosovar travelers stranded.

Although the United States pushed for Kosovo's independence earlier this year, at least one former U.S. secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger, warned against it, saying that the creation of new microstates would needlessly provoke Russia and other multiethnic countries. The irony is that Kosovo could have achieved almost as much through an international guarantee of autonomy within Serbia. Yet Washington never permitted that alternative to be discussed. Now, given Russia's misuse of the Kosovo precedent in Georgia, it's worth reviewing this option should similar cases arise in the future.

Moldova and Ukraine are also worried (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,575238,00.html).

Clayton Gold
09-02-2008, 12:19 PM
Good article.

Although I think the title should be: "Why Kosovo isn't worth it."

The Balkan
09-02-2008, 01:15 PM
Well I doubt if the person who wrote this article was living in Kosovo pre-independance would feel "it wasn't worth it". To those who died and fought for for it, it probly was.

I've said it before, why should someone give up their chance at freedom, becuase someone else elsewhere in the world might be inspired to do the same or cause trouble to Russia or whoever. Sure I'll ditch my freedom to help keep Ukraine and Russian stability Lol.

Mate
09-02-2008, 01:25 PM
Well...it was worth it for me,I have a nice life,nice job....a new house!!!
10000 times better than it was in 90`s....during Serb rule.

BW2
09-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Well I doubt if the person who wrote this article was living in Kosovo pre-independance would feel "it wasn't worth it". To those who died and fought for for it, it probly was. But don't you see, the author doesn't question the Albanian point of view rather his on country. Who now have to foot the bill for their support of Albanians and subsequent raping of international law, its created an imbalance.

Kralj Tvrtko
09-02-2008, 03:57 PM
Well...it was worth it for me,I have a nice life,nice job....a new house!!!
10000 times better than it was in 90`s....during Serb rule.

Yup, so I've heard, everyone in Kosovo is better off now, much better. Get serious for Gods sake... and article is great... 60% of unemployed, but young prowestern population that speaks English... where do they get money for English lessons?

Mate
09-02-2008, 04:05 PM
Yup, so I've heard, everyone in Kosovo is better off now, much better. Get serious for Gods sake... and article is great... 60% of unemployed, but young prowestern population that speaks English... where do they get money for English lessons?
Of course we are better,during 90`s there was 99% unemployment....I think 39% is a great improvement the last 9 yrs.....we don`t pay for lessons we have cable tv p-).

The Balkan
09-02-2008, 04:35 PM
I think what he's trying to say is it's not better for his kind.

Kralj Tvrtko
09-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I think what he's trying to say is it's not better for his kind.

My kind? Humankind?
It does not take long for you to spill racist remarks, doesnt it?

The Balkan
09-02-2008, 08:49 PM
My kind? Humankind?
It does not take long for you to spill racist remarks, doesnt it?

Umm, wow @ interperting that as racist.

wtf...:|

Talk about sensetive.

GazB
09-03-2008, 12:05 AM
I think what he's trying to say is it's not better for his kind.

And I think what kralj is saying is that if the price for Kosovos independance is a new cold war and an arms race, and of course loss of Russian support with Iran the potential for a nuclear armed Iran then perhaps it was not worth it. Kosovo could easily have remained an autonomous state till both Serbia and Kosovo were ready to join the EU. The west could go to Australia and pump a few billion into the economy of Tasmania and their lives would improve too. If the cost is a new cold war then it will not be worth it either.

The Balkan
09-03-2008, 12:33 AM
And I think what kralj is saying is that if the price for Kosovos independance is a new cold war and an arms race, and of course loss of Russian support with Iran the potential for a nuclear armed Iran then perhaps it was not worth it. Kosovo could easily have remained an autonomous state till both Serbia and Kosovo were ready to join the EU. The west could go to Australia and pump a few billion into the economy of Tasmania and their lives would improve too. If the cost is a new cold war then it will not be worth it either.

And in all honesty I think you give him too much credit.

But blaming Kosovo for the decisions Russians make with iran and to spite the West is dumb. That's Russia. Nobody's forcing them to play daddy daycare for a completly different place on the planet. USA is also playing that bu the USA won't lead anyone into WW3 or Cold War II.

INAT
09-03-2008, 01:34 AM
And in all honesty I think you give him too much credit.

But blaming Kosovo for the decisions Russians make with iran and to spite the West is dumb. That's Russia. Nobody's forcing them to play daddy daycare for a completly different place on the planet. USA is also playing that bu the USA won't lead anyone into WW3 or Cold War II.


That is funny.rofl

The Balkan
09-03-2008, 02:50 AM
That is funny.rofl

Well go ahed and laugh, it's no secret who you prefer and who i prefer. And that's fine. I laugh at yours too if that means anything to you :)

In my mind the USA is more of a safer and logical choice then Russia, not just for us for obvious reasons, but for everyone.

The USA running things = ok
Russia runnings things = *barf*

Sousuke
09-03-2008, 03:31 AM
I say Moo!

This topick's gone to hell :hug:

Stefan850
09-03-2008, 05:59 AM
I think what he's trying to say is it's not better for his kind.


not he's kind but the world in general

Stefan850
09-03-2008, 06:03 AM
In my mind the USA is more of a safer and logical choice then Russia, not just for us for obvious reasons, but for everyone.

The USA running things = ok
Russia runnings things = *barf*

It all depends on the situation, position you are in etc not really on ideology and stuff like that.

I still see US as a danger to me and my people and in not so distant past US killed a few people I loved so it's obvious who I pick and the same reasons are why someone picks US.

The best way would be not to have one country running things, I think

Stonewall71
09-03-2008, 06:10 AM
nothing that we didn't knew already

Kralj Tvrtko
09-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Umm, wow @ interperting that as racist.

wtf...:|

Talk about sensetive.

Saw it too many times. Suddenly someone who disagrees becomes "another kind", which is very close to another race which then goes to another specie... lots of theories about subhumans are hiden like this.

oldsoak
09-03-2008, 03:56 PM
And I think what kralj is saying is that if the price for Kosovos independance is a new cold war and an arms race, and of course loss of Russian support with Iran the potential for a nuclear armed Iran then perhaps it was not worth it. Kosovo could easily have remained an autonomous state till both Serbia and Kosovo were ready to join the EU. The west could go to Australia and pump a few billion into the economy of Tasmania and their lives would improve too. If the cost is a new cold war then it will not be worth it either.

I dont often agree with Gazb, but I do here. Quite bluntly, Kosovo isnt going to be much help against Iran or even Afghanistan. Russian goodwill, intel etc would be worth a f**K sight more. We have to be pragmatic in our choices here. Instead, not content with fighting wolves, the West has antagonised a Bear to save a ferret.

Mate
09-03-2008, 04:04 PM
Saw it too many times. Suddenly someone who disagrees becomes "another kind", which is very close to another race which then goes to another specie... lots of theories about subhumans are hiden like this.
Come on!!!
HTFU....I never saw some subhuman write a comment in english though english is not theyr`e frist language.
This kind of topic is not worth disscusing anymore.....

The Balkan
09-03-2008, 04:04 PM
I dont often agree with Gazb, but I do here. Quite bluntly, Kosovo isnt going to be much help against Iran or even Afghanistan. Russian goodwill, intel etc would be worth a f**K sight more. We have to be pragmatic in our choices here. Instead, not content with fighting wolves, the West has antagonised a Bear to save a ferret.


ROTF made me think of the marmot in the Big Lebowski

But little wolverines have been known to pwn bears! It's possible! Chechens did it in the first war.

Russians be soft mayn!

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/01/11/scarface.jpg

Kralj Tvrtko
09-03-2008, 04:08 PM
Come on!!!
HTFU....I never saw some subhuman write a comment in english though english is not theyr`e frist language.
This kind of topic is not worth disscusing anymore.....

Seems like this is some hilarious humor from Djakovica...

Mate
09-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Seems like this is some hilarious humor from Djakovica...
Oh you`re familiar with our humor p-).
We are better than that...all of us.......I hope