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Kampfbaer
09-03-2008, 05:28 PM
REVIVING SPANISH GHOSTS
Judge Inquires into the Fate of Franco's Victims
By Rachel Nolan

Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon has begun looking for information on Franco's victims preparatory to a possible court case. Victims groups are thrilled, but not everyone is happy about stirring up the country's fascist past.

It is a monument visited by hundreds of thousands of people each year. On Sundays, some travel from nearby Madrid to lay wreaths at the site. But just what the memorial, known as the Valley of the Fallen, stands for is not entirely clear.

Officially, it commemorates everyone who died in the Spanish Civil War, fought from 1936 to 1939. But the Valley of the Fallen monument, a vast complex dominated by an enormous granite cross, also contains the mausoleum where the body of General Francisco Franco, Spain's fascist dictator, is buried. It was built using the slave labor of political prisoners.

Indeed, the Valley of the Fallen has recently come to symbolize a Spain still scarred by its Civil War and almost four decades of Franco's iron-fisted regime. Some, though, have begun picking at that scab. And this week, a Spanish judge began collecting information with an eye toward creating an accurate list of those killed during Franco's dictatorship. In doing so he turned up the heat on a long-simmering national debate.

"This is great news for the families of victims," Emilio Silva told SPIEGEL ONLINE Silva is head of the non-profit Association for the Recovery of Historical Memory (AMHA), which has excavated 120 mass graves containing the remains of around 1,200 people since 2000.

Names and Dates

Judge Baltasar Garzon, who sits on Spain's National Court, sent official requests this week for information on Franco victims to various government archives, city halls and the Catholic Church -- and to the keepers of Franco's tomb. He wants details including victims' names and the dates and circumstances of their deaths.

Depending on the replies to his inquiries, Garzon's court may be able to assume jurisdiction over the cases and go after the perpetrators -- provided he finds evidence of systemic violence. Garzón made his requests after receiving about 1,200 petitions from families and associations asking for information about those who disappeared during Franco's reign, from 1936 to 1975.

The number of those killed during the Spanish Civil War is contested, with historians estimating about 500,000 on both sides combined. Under the Franco dictatorship, however, dissidents were often shot out of hand. Even as the dictator's regime honored its own dead, it left as many as 55,000 political opponents buried at unmarked grave sites across the country.

"People are still afraid to talk about it, it is a politically dangerous topic," said Silva. "We are just now taking the first steps to create a new generation -- the grandchildren who know about it."

Garzon -- who gained prominence with his attempt to extradite former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet for crimes committed during Chile's "dirty war" -- has made his move just under a year after Spain passed the Historical Memory Law, aimed at recognizing the victims of Franco's regime and to remove fascist symbols from public places, including statues and monuments honouring Franco.

Since then, both Silva's group and Amnesty International have objected to the fact that victim's justice has largely fallen to volunteer initiatives. The Spanish press hailed Garzon's move as the first official application of the Historical Memory Law.

Still, the approval is far from universal. A general amnesty was passed in 1977 and since then, many Spanish have been reticent about their historical ghosts. A non-scientific opinion poll by conservative Barcelona-based paper La Vanguardia showed 56 percent in favor of Garzon's initiative, but 43 percent opposed.

Mariano Rajoy, leader of the conservative People's Party, is likewise against Garzon. "I'm not in favor of opening the wounds of the past," he said at a Tuesday press conference. "They won't lead us anywhere."

Beyond the Arm of the Law?

Some of Garzon's judicial colleagues are likewise unconvinced a legal case is the best way to deal with the Franco era. All three Spanish professional judicial groups, which operate in lieu of unions for judges in Spain, have spoken out against Garzon's initiative. Members from the conservative Professional Association of Magistrates to the progressive Judges for Democracy think that legal proceedings would be a mistake.


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"A legal investigation would collide with a pillar of democracy," Judges for Democracy spokesperson Miguel Ángel Jimeno told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Besides, most of the people who committed crimes are now dead."

Trying to bring Spain's history within the scope of the judiciary "perverts the debate," said Jimeno. He agrees with Garzon, however, that a reckoning with the fascist past is necessary in Spain.

"It remains to be seen whether the overloaded Spanish judiciary can take on the enormous job Garzon has placed on their shoulders," said an editorial in left-leaning El Pais. "But, in any case, the measure will help open archives that were closed, which may fall outside the scope of the law but will be useful to history."

Even if Garzon's inquiries do not end in a traditional court case, Silva hopes they might lead to a governmental truth commission that would assist in exhuming mass graves and provide a forum for victim's families to give testimony. He calls Garzon's move "a good first step."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,576051,00.html

Macaca sylvanus
09-03-2008, 06:01 PM
La Vanguardia showed 56 percent in favor of Garzon's initiative, but 43 percent opposed.This shows how divided the Spanish nation is about the historic memory law.

The deep political division in modern Spain has always been marked by the Civil War and the dictatorship years. I personally think it will help homogenize Spanish historical thinking since in my experience depending on who you talk to and where they come from people have such disparate concepts of their own history.

Good read BTW

boreal
09-03-2008, 07:24 PM
baltasar garzón, our local attention whore, look at meeeee, look at meeeeeeeeeee......

Knutsen
09-03-2008, 08:38 PM
This shows how divided the Spanish nation is about the historic memory law.

The deep political division in modern Spain has always been marked by the Civil War and the dictatorship years. I personally think it will help homogenize Spanish historical thinking since in my experience depending on who you talk to and where they come from people have such disparate concepts of their own history.

Good read BTW

And the cause of this is that nobodyt paid for their crimes when the '78 Constitution was signed becasue the fear of another Civil War was quite high. It was a patch for the day, but completelly obsolete today.

boreal
09-04-2008, 04:36 AM
The socialists needs some distraction about the economic crisis, and they are using our favourite attention whore, and their favourite theme, uuhhh the last civil war...uuuhhhh

http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/ne/ep0/20070813/12/2363849593-baltasar-garzon.jpg


Look at me maaaaaa, look at meeeeeeeeeee

zad
09-04-2008, 05:42 AM
Boreal, let me enlight you about one of the the basis of democracy, it is called separation of powers, in Spain we have three branches of power, those are:

ejecutive power ---->the council of ministers
legislative power ---->the congress and senate
judicial power -----> spanish judiciary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Judiciary

These means that judge Baltasar Garzon, as member of the judiciary and member of the National audience of Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiencia_Nacional) is totally independent of the ejecutive power.

the more you know....

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poder_Judicial_de_Espa%C3%B1a

spanish constitution of 1978, page 32 the judicial power:
http://www.boe.es/datos_iberlex/normativa/TL/ConstitucionCASTELLANO.pdf
(http://www.boe.es/datos_iberlex/normativa/TL/ConstitucionCASTELLANO.pdf)

boreal
09-04-2008, 03:42 PM
Hahahahaha independent Garzón....hahahahahahahahahaha

good one, very good

In 1993 was a socialist candidate for the elections, so....is the most independent all around the world, with his castrato voice, and his fur jacket....look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, look at meeeeeeeeeeeeee maaaaaaaaaa

Connaught Ranger
09-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Yes, look at you, look at you, look at you,

not much better and looking for attention as well.

Another point with regards democracy is that all sides get to post their views.

In regards to what this post is about, its time for an inquiry to be made, and then

Spain might be able to lay its collective guilt or innocence to rest.

Connaught Ranger.