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Fage
09-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Sukhdev Sandhu
Published 04 September 2008

Smoke and Mirrors: an Experience of China
Pallavi Aiyar
HarperCollins India, 288pp, £15.99

Go to the bookshop of any major international airport and you'll see a raft of titles, usually in the business section, that herald and seek to explain the emergence of a new India, one that is urban, middle-class, a potential treasure trove for canny investors and speculators. In fevered prose awash with asterisks and bullet points - PowerPoint orientalism, as it were - advice is given on how to break into Indian markets, navigate government bureaucracy and taxation laws, make sense of the nation's cultural and religious codes.

An important subgenre of this literature is that on "Chindia", an imaginative category as much as a physical place, in which the "elephant" (India) and the "dragon" (China) are analysed because, it is claimed, not only are their increasingly deregulated economies booming, but that success could be at the expense of the west. Now, with the Beijing Olympics fresh in the memory and the next Commonwealth Games due in just two years in Delhi, more Atlantic-based consultants and forecasters than ever before will be hawking the idea of Chindia.

All the more reason to welcome the publication of Smoke and Mirrors, a deeply insightful and often very amusing mixture of travelogue, memoir and political analysis in which Pallavi Aiyar, the first Indian foreign correspondent ever to be based in China who actually speaks the language, offers a perspective on the relationship between the two countries that doesn't read as a breathless praise-song to the transforming, medicinal power of globalisation, and that benefits vastly from the time she has spent talking to villagers, small traders and economic migrants as much as to CEOs and think-tank wonks.

Aiyar, who moved to Beijing in 2002, begins by pointing to the relative novelty of this apparent intimacy between India and China. Hindi films had attracted large audiences for some years, the loud colours and uninhibited emotion of the performers serving as an antidote to the greyscale aesthetics so prevalent across the nation, but in other respects, and especially in recent years, India has been viewed as an over-populated, brazenly impoverished backwater. Indeed, it was only in March 2002 that China introduced a direct-flight service linking the world's two most populous countries.

Soon hundreds, then thousands, of Indians began arriving in Beijing and Shanghai. Some were adventurers pursuing the allure of unknown terrain, others entrepreneurs and gold-rushers who saw opportunities available to them as cooks, exotically turbaned hotel doormen and yoga-school managers, others still medical students attracted by the lower fees charged by Chinese medical schools. What they found was a challenge - indeed, a rebuke - to any residue of nationalist sentiment they may have harboured.

Aiyar, too, though she talks with some pride about the role of parliamentary democracy in India and the emphasis it lays on linguistic and cultural diversity, is far from a patriotic cheerleader. China, she realises, may lack a free press, but its levels of foreign investment, infrastructural development and mass literacy are far superior; she contrasts a 20-metre underpass in Delhi that took three years to build with a 1,000-bed hospital for Sars patients in Beijing that took seven days. The Chinese may lack a voice and a vote, but hundreds of millions of Indians suffer just as badly because of caste and religion.

Smoke and Mirrors is revelatory in its analysis of how the Chinese authorities, fearful that free-market economics leaves a moral vacuum, have sought of late to reintroduce a Confucian rhetoric of stability and harmony into public discourse. Balancing spirituality and capitalism is hard: Aiyar travels to Ningxia Province, whose 1.8 million Muslim population was seen as offering a competitive advantage to local food industries hoping to forge links with the Middle East. Increased traffic between the two regions has led to the rise of orthodox Islam in the province, more women adopting headscarves, and communal identity being geared towards global Islamic brotherhood rather than the nation state.

Aiyar is a droll writer, as adept at evoking the huge changes across contemporary China in her accounts of the booming ***-toy industry and the popularity of plastic surgery as she is at explaining the complexities of international finance. Her most amusing, though also rather chastening, chapter recounts her experiences teaching at a language school. The students are at once ambitious and plain-speaking - one of them calls himself Fat: "I chose this name because I am Fat" - but almost wholly ignorant, and happily so, of the extent of judicial corruption, land expropriation and state censorship throughout the country.

Clever, engaging, reflexive: Aiyar's book will affront "India Shining" ideologues as much as it punctures the gassy platitudes of "Chindia" boosters. As she writes, even if India does manage to rival China's export levels, "As long as half of all Indian women remain unable to write their own names, trumpeting the country's imminent 'overtaking' of China, is balderdash."

Source:http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2008/09/india-china-aiyar-mirrors

Adux
09-04-2008, 12:20 PM
China, she realises, may lack a free press, but its levels of foreign investment, infrastructural development and mass literacy are far superior; she contrasts a 20-metre underpass in Delhi that took three years to build with a 1,000-bed hospital for Sars patients in Beijing that took seven days. Ok, Now we will never catch up, I dont think we can ever built a 1000 bed hospital in 7 days. I mean WOW! Its magic...

Palavi Iyer stay in China!
Funny (Iyer is a Brahmin name, ie higher caste) talking abour religion and caste politics. Dhimmitude in front of her new found masters. I cant stand the Indian commie's.

She should be glad, that her country allows this kind of writing about itself and not lift a finger, rather protect her right to do so. Unlike the place of milk and honey where she would be thrown in a prison. I will have my freedom, and I will make my money later.

And no Indian disputes, the fact that China is ahead and India is behind. India opened up its economy in 1990's while china did that it in 1970's.

black mamba
09-04-2008, 03:01 PM
1970s? really? i thought it was much much much later cuz they were still a pariah state in the 1970s with hardly any contact with the outside world. nixon started meeting with the chinese in the 1970s. china opened itself up in late 1980s and early 1990s.

and india really does need to catch up. whether you admit it or not. the chinese and indians both have a billion ppl and yet, taking a recent example of the olympics, compare the medals. china came first and india won only 2. china actually came first in the olympics.....an event in which it used to be nowehere only two olympics ago. the chinese constructed all of their olympic sites ahead of schedule. an impressive feat on its own, which the IOC itself admits india needs to start investing in its infrastructure and human resources. when one has a billion ppl, its the only way to go......

....i think where india is making a mistake is that its quite dependent on foreign investments and its stock market. if anything starts going wrong in india, foreign investors will get jittery. china is an exporter. china's strategy is to make other countries dependent on it.

Adux
09-04-2008, 03:27 PM
If that above is not trolling, I dont know what is!
And for you Economics, talk... FAIL. You have absolutely NO CLUE on what you are talking about. It is China that is dependent on others as well as others on China. NOT India, why? Because it is not integrated into the world market. For more, get a education.
PS
Medals != Freedom
Look at your own country, its on the verge of bankruptcy!

Welcome to my ignore list, troll

deagle
09-04-2008, 04:34 PM
i guess its no frills, if higher ups want something done, they dont wait around for majority rules, but they just do it. if only our govt was a little bit like that.

SBL
09-04-2008, 04:35 PM
i guess its no frills, if higher ups want something done, they dont wait around for majority rules, but they just do it. if only our govt was a little bit like that.
Which government would that be?

Aryan_Singh
09-05-2008, 05:45 AM
bye the way black mamba, how many medals did pakistan win.
Just asking

black mamba
09-05-2008, 09:40 AM
see? that is exactly why you guys will never 'defeat' china like you want to. cuz even when indians SAY that they are now concentrating on china, they end up comparing themselves to Pakistan - a failed, broken terrorist haven incomparable to india according to you guys! what good is a trillion dollar economy if you are going to compare it to a nation 1/10 of your population size and economy?

india seems to be dreaming big while living a small minded country's life!

brandenvonbeneckendorff
09-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Sometimes I wonder if india claims itself as the 'biggest democracy' in the world, does it stop Indian officials from corruption? No, it doesn't. So i think it's not something that makes ppl as proud as claiming a nation as, like, 'biggest industrialised nation' or the 'richest, heaps of cash nation' in the world (yeah, thoughts are worthless trash comparing with material wealth).

Therefore I don't think India provides too much for China to learn from in this respect, i mean, if Indian govt is very clean, then I think it will be worthwhile to learn from their experiences. Also, there's a huge communists blocks in the indian parliament, i think many urban chinese will be staunchly against their crazy psycho ideas, so even china has any kind of election, ppl such as the REAL communists, freaking greens, psychologically unstable evangelicals should all be banned!

And, just to make sure you don't think im ignorant, China has heaps of problems as well, corruption (yeah, hope one day we can execute all of them), lack of efficiency (when can china be like the imperial germany? despite china seems to be more efficient than India.), huge income gap (china really should move itself a tiny little bit to the left for the sake of stability), etc.

Well..to the cultural diversity thing, yeah... india has no dominant ethnic group like china, therefore China doesn't need to be a multilingual country, so all public service should carry out in Chinese. Prob India should put even more focus on English rather than putting money in the education of some countryside languages that's not useful.

Adux
09-05-2008, 11:52 PM
^^^^You must be really important and intelligent!

maoddd
09-06-2008, 01:11 AM
"India strong!!!!'rofl

carlzheng
09-06-2008, 02:05 AM
democracy never equals to prosperity、industrilization and power.the african nations are democratic too.why are they not as rich as your white guys?

democracy is a good thing,but it must take time to integrate it to our culture.we as chinese must advance in our own way,not the bloody colonial way.hoho~~

Adux
09-06-2008, 02:18 AM
^^ Now that is a brilliant comparison!

Ordie
09-06-2008, 02:21 AM
democracy never equals to prosperity、industrilization and power.the african nations are democratic too.why are they not as rich as your white guys?

To answer your question I highly recommend Jared Diamond's book "Guns, Germs, and Steel".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel


By the way, African economic growth rate is at 6.2%.

Doublethinker
09-06-2008, 02:22 AM
democracy never equals to prosperity、industrilization and power.the african nations are democratic too.

african nations democratic? LOL

carlzheng
09-06-2008, 02:55 AM
african nations democratic? LOL

at least somebody recognise it.:) and i just remember that the jimin party has rule japan for over 60 years.:p

poor russia has its elective president and parliament,but still be discribed as a evil tyrant.

Lokos
09-06-2008, 03:08 AM
and india really does need to catch up. whether you admit it or not. the chinese and indians both have a billion ppl and yet, taking a recent example of the olympics, compare the medals.

You shot your whole argument in the foot in one fell swoop. Aside from its (the argument's) general irrelevance, the Chinese also garnered many medals because they made their Olympic team a national priority, and lavished it with money and resources. I'd be interested to see how much the Indian team had available, in those terms. The money invested does not reflect resources available - but their prioritization. Perhaps instead of spending $60b USD on throwing a party for the whole world and giving the country a point of national pride, the Indians invested elsewhere.

Just a thought.

L.

Adux
09-06-2008, 03:40 AM
Lokos,

Absolutely spot one, but there are factors too!

Indian Olympic Committe is a joke!

longlivetaiwan
09-06-2008, 04:24 AM
If that above is not trolling, I dont know what is!

The answer is you - with an average post count of nearly 26 posts per day. That is a troll.

It is very poor conduct to personalise your remarks toward another member on a public forum.

May you receive a similar negative rep in return.


Additional Forum Rules ]

5. Don't be a poser. Being yourself is good enough; there's no need to try to be something you're not.

MG 3
09-06-2008, 04:50 AM
democracy never equals to prosperity、industrilization and power.the african nations are democratic too.why are they not as rich as your white guys?

democracy is a good thing,but it must take time to integrate it to our culture.we as chinese must advance in our own way,not the bloody colonial way.hoho~~

Democracy is a piece of ****. Lock it up in a box and bury it in the Gobi.


If that above is not trolling, I dont know what is!
And for you Economics, talk... FAIL. You have absolutely NO CLUE on what you are talking about. It is China that is dependent on others as well as others on China. NOT India, why? Because it is not integrated into the world market. For more, get a education.
PS
Medals != Freedom
Look at your own country, its on the verge of bankruptcy!

Welcome to my ignore list, troll

Sup troll! If economics talk then China is at the moon compared to India. From production capability to infrastructure, budget surplus to Per-Capita income at purchasing power parity China is ahead where India's rank is 126 while China is 88. In terms of dependence China's weakness is resources nothing other than that is significant. If it is integration that you are talking about than China is located upstream which makes the world dependant on them. India is not intigrated because it does not have all that China can offer.
If you want me to put it simpler so you can understand then go compare Mumbai to rural town like KunMing let aside Shanghai.

Why dont you go read up and then come back.

And where is Pakistan mentioned in the article that you brought it up. Plus if you are comparing India to us then yep your going to be a superpower any day now, I bet the US is shaking in its boots.

Adux
09-06-2008, 07:59 AM
The answer is you - with an average post count of nearly 26 posts per day. That is a troll.

It is very poor conduct to personalise your remarks toward another member on a public forum.

May you receive a similar negative rep in return.


Additional Forum Rules ]

5. Don't be a poser. Being yourself is good enough; there's no need to try to be something you're not.

I am rich and retired, got a lot of time with me! Now crawl back to that hole!

Adux
09-06-2008, 08:07 AM
Democracy is a piece of ****. Lock it up in a box and bury it in the Gobi.

Life is good when the Army is ruling, especially for you. What is that badge called "Do anything and get away with it badge". Taking over the country yet again, Out of 60 years, The Army ruled your nation for a good 47 years, yet blame the politicans! why Shauket Aziz is no where around to fudge anymore books! You guys are a joke!




Sup troll!

Stop talking to yourself in front of a mirror!


If economics talk then China is at the moon compared to India. From production capability to infrastructure, budget surplus to Per-Capita income at purchasing power parity China is ahead where India's rank is 126 while China is 88. In terms of dependence China's weakness is resources nothing other than that is significant. If it is integration that you are talking about than China is located upstream which makes the world dependant on them.Yes, for all the good things of China, we are also woefully aware of what price the chinese people had to pay for it. Sorry, we are not ready to put our people through that. Unlike them, we dont have labour camps. Money may come slowly, but thats ok as long as it comes through the right way.

There is no comparison with India and China especially in the economic front, Heck India opened up a good 14 years later while china was lucky to have Nixon. Though we have bypassed the manufacturing economy into a knowledge economy! As we speak, a manufacturing revolution is being created here!



India is not intigrated because it does not have all that China can offer.
If you want me to put it simpler so you can understand then go compare Mumbai to rural town like KunMing let aside ShanghaiIndia is not integrated because it wasnt an open economy until 1991, and we were the protectors of Mixed Economy, I have no problem admitting the mistakes by my country. Unlike the land of milk and honey!


Why dont you go read up and then come back.My posts are quite welcome to the people who are interested, and there are quite a number of people whose posts I enjoy and they do mine! You were never high up on my list, so it really doesnt matter.


And where is Pakistan mentioned in the article that you brought it up. Plus if you are comparing India to us then yep your going to be a superpower any day now, I bet the US is shaking in its boots.30-40 years, Why not? Why should US shake in its boots about India, we arent helping or creating people who flies civilian aircrafts into building!

longlivetaiwan
09-06-2008, 09:41 AM
I am rich and retired, got a lot of time with me!


I very much doubt that.

The 'chattering classes' to which you aspire, are the achievers in society
who have better judgement than to trawl the forums at militaryphotos.net.

maoddd
09-06-2008, 09:42 AM
I am rich and retired, got a lot of time with me!


5. Don't be a poser. Being yourself is good enough; there's no need to try to be something you're not.

yea we got it, 'india strong!!' now take a chill pill.

Adux
09-06-2008, 11:30 AM
yea we got it, 'india strong!!' now take a chill pill.

What about sarcasm and stupid jokes on a person who welcomed me to this thread with 'troll spray' picture dont you understand!

India very very weak, trying to be strong! 50-60 years! lol

Hollis
09-06-2008, 11:56 AM
If some of you plan on being a member on this forum , then control how you post. Knock off the petty insults, use a basis of fact to counter another posts not flames.

I had a choice either lock this post, or go through it, delete flames and give out proper infractions. If I went through the thread, some of you would not be posting for a while.


If you don't lilke another member and cannot seem to contain yourself, let me suggest that you use the ignore feature.

Thanks,

H.

digrar
09-06-2008, 08:03 PM
I did swing, play nice, if/when you all come back.