Coalition SF free one Polish and three Italian hostages

[lekomin]

Gen Bieniek, CO of the Polish Div in Iraq confirmed the news that Coalition Special forces (including Polish SF, presumably GROM) freed 4 hostages in Iraq (1 Polish and 3 Italian)

(update) plus some of the Iraqi security detail (Kurds) that were kidnaped with the Polish hostage were freed as well.

Way to go guys.

Take care
lekomin inc

[fdt]

woot Any link to Bieniek's statement...? woot

woot Details! Details! woot

[Herrmannek]

woot woot woot

[shrek]

DE OPRESSO LIBER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!



GO GROM

[MARINO]

woot woot woot woot woot woot
Well done

[lekomin]

woot Any link to Bieniek's statement...? woot

woot Details! Details! woot
tune to TVN24 mate.. they are showing Gen. Bieniek's statement

woot

[fdt]

Will Al-Jazeera show the "exclusive" coverage of the actual events...? :lol:

http://it.news1.yimg.com/f/1/1/1d/eur.yimg.com/xp/ansa/20040608/12/2381146769.jpg

Governo conferma:liberi gli ostaggi ANSA ( Mar 08 Giu, 14:39)
(ANSA) - ROMA, 8 giu - Il sottosegretario Letta e il ministro Frattini, a nome del governo, comunicano gli ostaggi italiani sono stati liberati.

Another confirmation, this time from Italian Govt.

(ASCA) - Roma, 8 giu - ''Il ministro Frattini ci ha informato della liberazione degli ostaggi mezz'ora prima della comunicazione alla stampa''. Lo ha detto telefonicamente al Tg1 Giuseppe Stefio, cugino di Salvatore Stefio aggiungendo che ''stanno tutti bene''.

[SOG]

the man said

DE OPRESSO LIBER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!



GO GROM


damnit, take that php!

[Frost]

woot woot woot woot woot woot woot

Very good news for those blokes and their families.
Good job!!

[Frens]

woot woot woot

[fdt]

Let's not forget about one thing... Those who gatehered the intelligence made this possible... whoever they are they deserve a big KUDOS too! :hug:

[scm77]

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[cold0]

Whoah!!!! I'm really happy!!!! woot woot woot woot

Great job boys!!!! woot woot


DE OPPRESSO LIBER!!!! ALWAYS!!!! woot woot


Will Al-Jazeera show the "exclusive" coverage of the actual events...?

Naahh! The SOBs don't like such news... :fork:

[shrek]

Hey SOG, why won't my Font size thingy work?

[mack pl]

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[SOG]

the single space in front of -> Go Grom- disrupts the beginings and ends of the code.

im surprised it didnt just bold tthe whole text but it runs into the unknown

or wait..... i dont know, i think it just ****ed up. i just tried it and it worked fine.

im convinced its evil. night. you may have had a odd charactert mistyped in there and it may have killed the ubb code and translated the odd character as a space when posted..... yeah.... lol

[cold0]

For Sky News the hostages were reushed by American SFs. So, a D-boys' op? :D :D :D

Good jo anyway!! woot

link:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1138737,00.html

[cold0]

... and this is confirmed on CNN by Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Boguslaw Majewski


Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Boguslaw Majewski said American forces freed the hostages, but he gave no further details, according to The Associated Press.

link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.hostages/index.html

[mack pl]

Well, its not important who rescued them, most important is that they are safe now :D

....but, Regards for this brave soldiers who rescued them :hug:

[ariweiner]

MILAN, Italy - Special forces from the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq on Tuesday freed three Italian hostages held for almost two months and a Pole abducted a week ago, authorities and the military said.

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The three Italian hostages are in good physical condition, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said.

“They were freed about one and a half hours ago by coalition forces near Baghdad. There was no bloodshed. The boys are on their way to the airport now,” Frattini said on state television.

"We have made the right choice, and chose the right strategy,” Italian Prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, on his way to the G-8 summit in the United States, said in a telephone interview broadcast on Italian TV. “ We didn't accept any negotiation and waited until we could proceed with an action by the coalition forces that required no bloodshed.”

Frattini also said no deal had been cut for the hostages’ release.

The commander of Polish troops in Iraq said coalition special forces freed the four, including Jerzy Kos, manager of Polish company Jedynka, who was seized on June 1.

“Thanks to coalition special forces, the Polish citizen... was freed along with three other captives of Italian nationality,” Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek told private Polish station TVN 24. He did not provide any details on Kos’ condition, but there was no indication that he had been harmed during the operation.

Four Italians working for a U.S. security firm were abducted April 12 near Baghdad.

One of them was shot to death after Italy refused to bow to demands to withdraw its 2,700 troops from Iraq. Footage of the other three was shown on Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera last week. One of them said they were being treated well.

Al Jazeera also aired a statement from the kidnappers, calling themselves the Green Battalion, urging Italian people to demonstrate against the policies of the United States and Berlusconi.

Masked gunmen seized two Polish and five Iraqi staff from Polish company Jedynka’s offices near Baghdad a week ago. One Pole escaped but Kos had remained captive.

The fate of the Iraqi staff members remained unclear.
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[SOG]

did they bag the bad guys also or is that a secret? says no bloodshed so all kidnappers captured? very cool.

[cold0]

They bag the bad guys. This is confirmed by the italian premier Silvio Belusconi, who has said to be informed of the operation and to have given the italian approval yesterday night

link: (sorry is spaghetti...)

http://www.corriere.it/altre_notizie7/

[garoco]

wtg rescuers! :)

[MARINO]

And for kindnappers or terrorist (what hell they are) i hope they are dead.

[Rilence]

woot woot

[MEGR]

Great Job to Coalition SF.. And have a safe trip home to the former hostages..

[duck]

Hope they had helmet cameras with them. Will make a great educational video for the Saudi security forces. "101 of solving a hostage situation", subtitles in Arabic.

[tony6]

They say about "coalition special forces" "including polish".
It could be 1st PSK as well.
On the other hand: freeing hostages is typical GROM operations.
Wroclawska Jedynka (the company kidnapped Polish guy worked in) spokesman said it was US&Polish forces that freed them.

[fdt]

They say about "coalition special forces" "including polish".
It could be 1st PSK as well.Whatever... brave people have saved other people's lives...

Note one thing, not a single shot was fired during the whole action... those cowards are capable to shoot only the unarmed... Some of those scu*mbags were captured...

[tony6]

Anyway: some good news at last!

[farmgirl]

That's fantastic news!!!! woot woot woot

[shrek]

CNN is now saying that Polish SF were involved!! BoooYAhhh

[shrek]

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[shrek]

Snikeys!!! The damn thing doesn't work!!

[mack pl]

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[Herrmannek]

Snikeys!!! The damn thing doesn't work!!

Shrek you probably turned off bb code in your profile...
Just some thoughts p-)

[Midav]

I agree. Who gives a rats ass as to who freed them?

Glad they are ok now woot

[BlackRain]

U.S. Forces Free Hostages in Baghdad Raid

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. special forces Tuesday freed four hostages - three Italians and a Pole - south of Baghdad, the top U.S. general said, in the first successful commando raid to rescue foreigners caught up in Iraq's wave of kidnappings.

But hours after the sweep, another group of militants revealed that they had snatched seven Turkish citizens and demanded that private companies working with the U.S.-led occupation leave Iraq. Turkish media later reported that two Turks were freed - though it was not clear if they were from the same group.

About 20 foreigners are still being held hostage in Iraq, but winning their release is difficult because some may have been sold by their captors to Islamic militants, said Canon Andrew White, an Anglican cleric who has been trying to win hostages' release.

"I'm worried that eventually these people will end up in the hands of groups such as al-Qaida," White said.

The wave of kidnappings broke out in April along with unprecedented violence across the country. Dozens of people from several nations were abducted, though most were later freed, usually after intercession from Iraqi Sunni clerics.

Among those still being held is Pfc. Keith M. Maupin of Batavia, Ohio. Two other Americans are missing since the April 9 attack in which Maupin was kidnapped.

Two hostages are known to have been killed by their captors: Fabrizio Quattrocchi, a colleague of the three Italians freed Tuesday, and American Nicholas Berg, who was beheaded by kidnappers believed to include al-Qaida-linked militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Tuesday's rescue raid came after days of observing the kidnappers' hideout, discovered earlier by coalition troops, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said. The operation was launched when it was believed it could be done "without risking the lives of our fellow citizens," Deputy Premier Gianfranco Fini told reporters.

In Baghdad, the top U.S. general in Iraq - Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez - said suspects "involved in the kidnapping" were detained in the operation.

Sanchez gave few details on the raid but said the three Italians and the Pole - who were kidnapped in different locations more than a month apart - were all found in the same location.

They "are in good health," he said, adding that there were no reports of any exchange of fire during the operation.

The commander of the Polish-led multinational force, Gen. Miecyzslaw Bienek, said U.S. special forces carried out the raid. The construction company that employed the Polish hostage, Jerzy Kos, said special forces - including Polish troops - had located the hide-out earlier.

It was the first time any of the hostages has been freed by military action. Thomas Hamill, a truck driver from Mississippi abducted April 9, was left alone by his captors and ran out from the shack where he was being kept to a passing U.S. patrol on May 2.

U.S. soldier Jessica Lynch, taken prisoner by Iraqis during the March 2003 invasion, was rescued after 20 days by American troops from a hospital in southern Iraq where she was recovering from wounds.

Kos, 64, who works for the Jedynka construction company, was abducted last week after seven men stormed the company's Baghdad office. Another Polish employee abducted at the same time managed to escape. Five Iraqi employees were initially reported kidnapped alongside the Poles. The company and Sanchez made no mention of their fate.

"I am happy that our colleague will be coming home and will be with his family tonight," Thomasz Gielzecki, Poland's chief diplomat in Baghdad, said.

The Italian hostages - Roberto Cupertino, Salvatore Stefio and Maurizio Agliani - were in Iraq as private security guards. The slaying of the fourth Italian snatched with them, Quattrocchi, was videotaped by his kidnappers, who made the footage public. His body was later returned to Italy.

But the snatching of the seven Turks suggested kidnappings were not about to end.

White, the Anglican cleric, has been in Iraq the past two months working with tribal leaders and sheiks to try to penetrate the complex network of hostage holders and to open negotiations with them.

"Things are looking very bad for the hostages," White said. "The groups that kidnap them are selling them off to militant groups who sell them off again. It is very hard to track them down."

It also can be difficult to find reliable intermediaries, especially when the captives are from America or key allies in the U.S.-led coalition, he said.

Kidnappers can be anyone from former Saddam Hussein agents, to Islamic militants, to highway bandits.

The captors of the seven Turkish hostages accused the men of working "to serve the interests of the occupation forces in Iraq." They did not say when or where the men were abducted.

"If (the companies) don't cancel their contracts with the Americans and pull out their personnel, they will be targeted by the Iraqi resistance," the group, which called itself the United Armed Iraqi Resistance, said in a statement.

A videotape obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press showed three of the hostages, crouching on the floor in front of an Iraqi flag and holding their passports, opened to the photo page. The men were surrounded by men whose faces were covered in scarves, two of whom carried assault rifles while another held a rocket-propelled grenade.

Four other hostages were shown to reporters separately.

"We urge the Muslim Turkish people ... to stand by the side of their Iraqi, Muslim brothers in their crisis by refusing to work with the occupation forces," said one of the masked men.

Turkey's semiofficial Anatolia news agency said two Turkish hostages - Adnan Azizoglu and Tarkan Arikoglu - and their Turkoman driver were released Tuesday. The three, working for a Turkish construction company called Serka, were kidnapped on Sunday while en route from Fallujah to the northern city of Mosul.

It wasn't clear if those released were among the seven Turkish hostages shown to reporters on Tuesday.

At least one other Turkish citizen, Bulent Yanik, is known to have been kidnapped. Yanik was kidnapped alongside an Egyptian truck driver, Victor Tawfiq Jerges, and the two were shown in an videotape released June 2.

Maupin, the U.S. soldier last seen in an April 16 videotape being held by gunmen, was snatched seven days earlier in an attack on a fuel convoy he was escorting west of Baghdad.

Two other Americans - William Bradley, of Chesterfield, N.H., and Timothy Bell of Mobile, Ala., both truck drivers employed by the Halliburton subsidiary KBR - are missing since that attack.

Four KBR employees were killed in the attack, and another U.S. soldier in the convoy was found dead later.

[MAGNUM]

Great work of SISMI (italian inteligence service)

woot woot woot woot woot

[seruriermarshal]

Great news ! thank allies !

[Tane Angle]

:D

[DPGLAW]

Hope they had helmet cameras with them. Will make a great educational video for the Saudi security forces. "101 of solving a hostage situation", subtitles in Arabic.

Before the Saudi's learn how to rescue hostages, they need to learn two other basics. First, they need to learn how not to collaborate with the terrorists, oops, wait- they are terrorists themselves and Secondly, they need to learn how not to be a part of the group of hostage takers and NOT let them just drive off and escape when they want to.

In my opinion there is no difference between the Terrorists and Saudi security forces. Actually there is no difference between any Saudi and a terrorist. They are one and the same.

[Argo AdAm]

The commander of the Polish-led multinational force, Gen. Miecyzslaw Bienek, said U.S. special forces carried out the raid. The construction company that employed the Polish hostage, Jerzy Kos, said special forces - including Polish troops - had located the hide-out earlier.
The same Gen. Bieniek in Polish media said that action was performed by coalition special operation forces. Asked if any Polish troops were involved in this operation he said that he can't say about details and he can only claim that Polish SF are part of coalition SF. Spokesman from Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs said silimiary words about that.
I think even if some Poles were involved in this action, our government may don't want to make big noise because that.

Hmm... Polish media say that Polish special forces was involved and Italian media say the same about their SF and inteligence. Maybe both ;) and of course Americans.

One thing is important - the hostages are free!

[talib_killa34]

Yeah, that reminds me of a couple of years back when Taliban "HRT" tried to take out some airliner with hostages and "captured" the terrorists.

In league with the devil.. :roll:


Good job to all those involved in Iraq!!! Woottttttttt! woot

[Aussie E]

Heard on the radio on the way home that the Coalition Forces had found the location awhile back and were watching the "insurgents" so that the rescue would be at a time least likely to endanger the hostages. Just like the Peruvian (I think) rescue at the Japanese embassy where they blew the floor under a bunch of terrorist playing soccer (killer game literally).
GOOD JOB BOYS!!!

[ogukuo72]

Let's not forget about one thing... Those who gatehered the intelligence made this possible... whoever they are they deserve a big KUDOS too! :hug:

Finally! Someone remembered to thank the back room guys, and not just the glory boys!

Good work all round by everybody! woot

[Marmot1]

I heard that US army insisted that polish and itailan SF units should perform this operation (in case of any ****-happens) and that poles (GROM) rescued polish citizen without single shot fired and italians rescued 3 buddies in nearby compound also without firing a single shot but there was some hand to hand combat with armed iraqis (my source did not precised if those ppl were regular kidnapers or jus nearby iraqis who did not liked coailtion... Kidnapers were observed for several days and their cell phones were under invigilation (this part was probably performed by US forces) Polish citizen is in embasy in overal good condition with some minor scratches and bites (probably rats or dog).

[DE_Six]

Awesome! woot

Good job!

[ibstolidude]

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[ZeroPositive]

nice one guys :)

[cold0]

I heard that US army insisted that polish and itailan SF units should perform this operation (in case of any ****-happens) and that poles (GROM) rescued polish citizen without single shot fired and italians rescued 3 buddies in nearby compound also without firing a single shot but there was some hand to hand combat with armed iraqis (my source did not precised if those ppl were regular kidnapers or jus nearby iraqis who did not liked coailtion... Kidnapers were observed for several days and their cell phones were under invigilation (this part was probably performed by US forces) Polish citizen is in embasy in overal good condition with some minor scratches and bites (probably rats or dog).

Sorry, Marmot1, but your sources aren't so good.


I POLACCHI - L’ultima fase dell’operazione ha visto schierati soltanto i militari americani. Sono stati loro a entrare nella prigione e a portare via gli ostaggi. La presenza del Grom polacco, il «Gruppo operativo di risposta mobile», accreditato da più fonti, viene categoricamente smentito dal generale Mieczyslaw Bieniek, comandante della divisione multinazionale alla quale è affidato il controllo della regione centro-meridionale dell’Iraq. «I Grom - ha detto - non hanno preso parte alla immediata liberazione dei rapiti. All’azione hanno preso parte le forze della coalizione, ma senza i Grom o qualche altra formazione polacca, anche perché non esiste un altro reparto dell’esercito polacco addestrato per una tale operazione». I servizi segreti di Varsavia hanno partecipato alla fase preparatoria e sono stati protagonisti di uno scambio informativo con gli 007 del Sismi e con quelli della Coalizione. Ma sembra che fino alla fine non ci fosse alcuna certezza sul fatto che i tre contractors e l’imprenditore di Breslavia fossero segregati nello stesso luogo. Erano davvero insieme, come si sostiene ufficialmente, o invece la liberazione è avvenuta in due fasi?

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2004/06_Giugno/10/fugacarceriere.shtml
Pratically gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek has denied that GROM, or any other polach unit, had partecipated to the final part of the operation.


"Siamo stati liberati ieri. Si è trattato di una cosa velocissima, il blitz è stato fulmineo. Abbiamo sentito sparare soltanto pochi colpi" hanno detto ai pm romani rispondendo a domande precise sulle modalità e i tempi della loro liberazione.

A brief description of the operation from the italian hostages. "The action was been very fast, the blitz was instataneous. We have heard only some shots." :D


I magistrati potrebbero chiedere l'estradizione dei carcerieri arrestati ieri nel corso del blitz della Delta Force statunitense. Al momento non esiste un'informativa in cui si parla della cattura di alcuni rapitori, ma non appena la questione sarà chiarita, gli inquirenti valuteranno la possibilità di chiedere il trasferimento in Italia delle persone arrestate per procedere nei loro confronti.

A reference to the role of Delta Force :D

http://www.repubblica.it/2004/f/sezioni/politica/ostliberi/ostparole/ostparole.html

Anyway, a fantastic op!! woot woot

[cold0]

Jerzy Kos has confirmed that reusce team was american:

Here, the Kos conference (sorry again.. it's written in italian :P ):


Il racconto dell'ostaggio polacco: liberi in 3 minuti
«Eravamo accucciati in una nuvola di polvere quando abbiamo sentito: "Non preoccupatevi, siamo americani"»

VARSAVIA - In soli tre minuti gli ostaggi , anche i tre italiani, sono stati liberati. Lo racconta Jerzy Kos, l'imprenditore polacco che era tenuto dai sequestratori iracheni insieme a Maurizio Agliana, Umberto Cupertino e Salvatore Stefio in una casa di Ramadi, a ovest di Bagdad. «Tutta l'operazione è durata tre minuti. Abbiamo udito il frastuono degli elicotteri che si sono posati all'esterno, poi l'esplosione che ha fatto saltare la porta metallica», ha detto Kos, 64 anni, pallido ed emozionato in una conferenza stampa all'aeroporto di Varsavia. «Io e gli italiani eravamo accucciati, senza più far caso ai nostri guardiani, in una nuvola di polvere che aveva invaso il rifugio, quando abbiamo sentito i soldati gridare "Non vi preoccupate, siano americani". Poi ci hanno preso per mano, ci hanno fatti correre fino all'elicottero che è immediatamente decollato».


http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Esteri/2004/06_Giugno/10/ostaggio_polacco.shtml

"All the operation is lasted 3 minutes. We have heard the sound of the helicopters that landed out the house, then a blash when the metallic door is explosed." Kos has said "I and the italians were crounced in a cloud of dust that has penetrated the prison, ignoring what was happened to our guards, when we have heard the soldiers shouting "Don't worry, we are americanc". Then they have taken us and we have ran to the helicopter that it was taken off immediatly"

[BlackRain]

Based on Marmot1's lie about the details of the rescue; it would appear that he/she has some type of agenda.

It is really sad that these haters feel the must detract from the bravery of these folks in saving these hostages by serving up such obvious lies.


A Polish hostage who was rescued from his Iraqi captors by Coalition forces has been talking about the dramatic operation.

Jerzy Kos, who was being held with three Italian hostages, said: "To the end of my days I shall never forget the two or three minutes that our liberation lasted."

Mr Kos, a building contractor in his 50s, described hearing the whirr of helicopters followed by an explosion that blasted the metal door of the building they were being held in.

"With the Italians, we each crouched in our corner, without paying any attention to our armed guards, the room was filled with dust while the whole thing went on," he said.

"When I opened an eye, I saw soldiers in American uniforms and I heard them say 'don't worry we're Americans.'"

[mack pl]

Hey, Who the **** cares who freed them? The most important thing is that, THEY ARE FREE AND SAFE NOW ! Its not important who rescued them-GROM, DELTA, GIS, MEGA Force.
OMG, its not GROM :( .......So what?...who ****in cares?


Respect for US soldiers :hug:



Ciao bambino

[American Patriot]

Bad marmot :bash:

[mack pl]

Bad marmot :bash:

Yeah, Marmot and his polish propaganda p-)

[mack pl]

Sorry only in polish ;) :lol:



"Gazeta wyborcza"
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Czy GROM odbił Jerzego Kosa?

Polscy komandosi brali udział w odbiciu zakładników w Iraku - potwierdzają źródła "Gazety" w Waszyngtonie

W środę dowódca międzynarodowej dywizji gen. Mieczysław Bieniek powiedział, że GROM nie brał udziału w odbiciu trzech Włochów i Polaka. Zdezawuował tym samym informacje "Gazety". Ale w czwartek nasze źródło w Pentagonie podtrzymało informację o udziale GROM-u w akcji. A korespondent CNN w Bagdadzie nadal twierdził, że odbicia dokonali wspólnie polscy i amerykańscy komandosi. Podobnie relacjonowali wczoraj korespondenci AFP i australijskiego dziennika "The Australian"

Tuż po pierwszych informacjach o uwolnieniu zakładników

cytowany przez PAP gen. Bieniek mówił, że akcji dokonały "oddziały koalicyjne, w których skład wchodzą również polskie siły specjalne". Włoska telewizja, powołując się na źródła rządowe, twierdziła iż operację przeprowadziły "siły specjalne USA i Polski przy współudziale sił włoskich".

Naszych rozmówców w rządzie USA nie dziwią zaprzeczenia dowództwa polskiego. - GROM od początku był wzorowany na amerykańskiej jednostce Delta, która oficjalnie w ogóle nie istnieje - mówi wysoki rangą urzędnik Pentagonu. - W pierwszej chwili po akcji wszyscy chcieli się pochwalić, potem przyszło otrzeźwienie i decyzja o ukryciu udziału polskiej jednostki.

Nie chcąc narażać swych obywateli na odwet terrorystów, wiele krajów biorących udział w koalicji nie przyznaje się do udziału w jakichkolwiek działaniach ofensywnych. - Ale niech nikt w Warszawie nie wierzy, że GROM-owcy pełnią w Iraku rolę ochroniarzy czy strażników - usłyszeliśmy wczoraj.

- Tak zachowują się nie tylko Polacy - dodaje David Pugliese, kanadyjski dziennikarz i ekspert od sił specjalnych. - Kanadyjski rząd nigdy nie ujawnił, że jej snajperzy mieli największą liczbę trafień wśród wszystkich żołnierzy walczących w Afganistanie. Według Pugliese'a w Iraku działają komandosi z kilkunastu krajów, także tych, które nie popierają inwazji na ten kraj: - Świat sił specjalnych przypomina świat szpiegów, gdzie wszyscy zawsze wszystkiemu zaprzeczają.
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Regards all :)

[Marmot1]

Based on Marmot1's lie about the details of the rescue; it would appear that he/she has some type of agenda.

It is really sad that these haters feel the must detract from the bravery of these folks in saving these hostages by serving up such obvious lies.


A Polish hostage who was rescued from his Iraqi captors by Coalition forces has been talking about the dramatic operation.

Jerzy Kos, who was being held with three Italian hostages, said: "To the end of my days I shall never forget the two or three minutes that our liberation lasted."

Mr Kos, a building contractor in his 50s, described hearing the whirr of helicopters followed by an explosion that blasted the metal door of the building they were being held in.

"With the Italians, we each crouched in our corner, without paying any attention to our armed guards, the room was filled with dust while the whole thing went on," he said.

"When I opened an eye, I saw soldiers in American uniforms and I heard them say 'don't worry we're Americans.'"

We will wait we will see... ;-) Of course Bieniek denied GROM participation but... GROM is not uder Bieniek command he is commander of multinational division and grom is not part of that division so basicaly he is not informed about everything... and grom do not like publicity... i.e. in Bosnia they were operating in US uniforms so nobody knew that they were there (they had special permission for that) and we know about their actions only becouse of leakage to press 2 years after it... So far neither US neither polish army officialy claimed responsibility for that action so... p-)

[mack pl]

/\ read article from "GW" -it must be a GROM ;) :lol: :lol:

Well, its like after operation "Little flower" in Eastern Slavonia, UNTAES mission, when GROM captured Slavko Dokmanovic, "Vukovar butcher".After this ation everyone think it was british SAS or US Delta, even russian mercs, but few months after action it was clear-GROM captured this asshole ;)

regards

[perdurabo]

ok big respect for those who made that action whoever it was woot it could be even super duper secret unit from republic of western ubi-dumbi :lol: :lol: what is important that the bad guys are eating dust and our guys are free :)

[mack pl]

ok big respect for those who made that action whoever it was woot it could be even super duper secret unit from republic of western ubi-dumbi :lol: :lol: what is important that the bad guys are eating dust and our guys are free :)

well, I have information about SF Unit from Kwabongo Republic ;) But dont tell anyone about it,ok p-) rofl

[cold0]

its not GROM .......So what?...who f*** cares?


Yes, it wasn't GROM, so what's the problem? :D

Another view of the reusce:


Cupertino said they had been locked in their room as usual Tuesday when they heard the sound of helicopters, which threw up a cloud of dust.

"Then I heard the sound of the door being broken down. The soldiers who burst in shouted, 'USA, go, go go."'

"The soldiers looked us in the eyes, one of them cut the bonds that were tight around my wrists, he said in English, 'You're mine,' took me by the arm and made me get into a helicopter," Cupertino said.

Agliana added: "It was very emotional when they cut our bonds. We stood up and we started to walk. I thought 'OK, I've made it."'



http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/10/italy.freed.hostages.reut/index.html



Ciao bambino

Bad "spaghetti" rofl

[mack pl]

its not GROM .......So what?...who f*** cares?

Yes, it wasn't GROM, so what's the problem? :D
Well ,for me its not any problem, I didnt start BS about who rescued them ;) Check mine previous posts ;)




Ciao bambino

Bad "spaghetti" rofl
Ohh really :roll: Hahaha, so how is your polish? :lol:

Ciao Italiano



PS.Its not USA, its Kwabongo SF rofl

[cold0]

Well ,for me its not any problem, I didnt start BS about who rescued them Check mine previous posts

Yeah, you are right.. and the same for me.


Ohh really Hahaha, so how is your polish?

Fantastic, I don't speak a single word in polish rofl

Anyway, Ciao Bambino is correct grammatical, but we don't use it during conversation :D


PS.Its not USA, its Kwabongo SF

Really? I thought its Banana Republic SF woot

Regards,

[Argo AdAm]

From CNN - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.hostages/index.html

"The operation, led by Polish and U.S. special forces, took place after an intensive intelligence investigation, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said."

"Flanked by an Italian and a Polish diplomat, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, head of U.S. military forces in Iraq, told a news conference in Baghdad the military operation took place south of Baghdad and was conducted by a "combined" team of "coalition forces.""
Sanchez didn't say that were only Americans. Even Italian Foreign Minister mentioned Poles, though earlier he had said that there were also Italian commandos.

There are the differences between statements from day of action and day after:
1) on day of action
- Gen. Bieniek was asked if GROM was involved in this operation and he didn't deny that. He only said operation was performed by coalition special forces and some Polish SF troops are part of it. He didn't say anything else.

2) on day after action
- Gen. Bieniek denied that there was GROM, but why he didn't say this day before when he was asked about that? Why did he change his mind? It's seems to that he was ordered to say that.
- Polish Minister of Defence in TV saying that GROM wasn't involved in freeing the hostages said sentence which tells more - "let's keep this version"...!

Everything seems to be a dezinformation, because Polish authorities are afraid to speak loudly that some Poles are doing in Iraq offensive actions. Terrorists and islamic world is hearing... and that's why this version of truth is safe for Poles, especially these in Iraq.

[mack pl]

Well ,for me its not any problem, I didnt start BS about who rescued them Check mine previous posts

Yeah, you are right.. and the same for me.


Ohh really Hahaha, so how is your polish?

Fantastic, I don't speak a single word in polish rofl

Anyway, Ciao Bambino is correct grammatical, but we don't use it during conversation :D


PS.Its not USA, its Kwabongo SF

Really? I thought its Banana Republic SF woot

Regards,

;) :lol:

ciao

@ArgoAdam- it may be like I wrote in my post abou tOperation "Little flower".

[mack pl]

:oops:double post, I love it :roll:

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares2.jpg

[Marmot1]

Yep all polish autorities strongly deny any polish involvement in it, they deny it so strongly that it is suspicious... even Mr. Kos (Hostage) denied polish involvement on special conference and presented as a proof armpatch (US flag) that was suposedly presented to him by SF soldier who rescued him... but this flag was blue-red-white and AFAIK US soldiers during action wear two coloured (monochromatic) version (i.e. tan-brown on desert uniform). SO unles thy carry speciail gift pack for hostages on every mision it seems strange to me ;-) But as argoadam mentioned... our oficials behavior is unusual and they never so strongly denied any action...

P.S all GROM soldiers speak fluent english (and usualy 2 more languages)so using english instead of polish when talking to hostages is nothing unusulal...

But let's do not prejuduce... let's wait and in year or so, we will know who did this...

[Fulix]

Since we have some italians watching this thread... do you have any pics of Italian Special Forces in Iraq?

:oops:

Cheers.

[tony6]

Yeah-the whole "GROM was/wasn not involved" looks like typical media mislead action and cover-up.
Polish public opinion is against Iraq operation so our politics don't like our media to talk about another polish forces action.
That's how it looks like.

[-Max2-]

Good job, Delta. :D

...and GROM. ;)

[cold0]

Here, the only photo published of the assault's final moments:

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Esteri/2004/06_Giugno/13/pop_ostaggi.shtml

or go here and click foto che ritrae gli ex ostaggi italiani e l’ingegnere polacco nel momento della liberazione.

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Esteri/2004/06_Giugno/14/foto.shtml

Enjoy :D

Regards,

[Deckard777]

Great Job Soldiers!!! woot Nice M4 on the photo :D

But I want more photos :(

I`m just curious is that GROM or Delta..No matter.Most important is that the hostages are alive and tangos arrested..
Greetz!!!

[mack pl]

Great Job Soldiers!!! woot Nice M4 on the photo :D

But I want more photos :(

I`m just curious is that GROM or Delta..No matter.Most important is that the hostages are alive and tangos arrested..
Greetz!!!
Nah, it was Kwabongo SF p-)

Well, seriously, Im guess it was really US SF, not GROM. But we know only that what they say( gen.Bieniek, MON etc.), only they know "truth".


BTW witam na forum kolego :)

[Deckard777]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

[Herrmannek]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

Please try to use only english :slap: :hug: :D ...Next guy with no life what so ever...

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

Widzę, że my Polacy mnożymy się jak króliki ;) :D

Welcome!

[mack pl]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

Widzę, że my Polacy mnożymy się jak króliki ;) :D

And now translate it in to English, or Hermannek will cry all fukin night p-)

[Herrmannek]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

Widzę, że my Polacy mnożymy się jak króliki ;) :D

Welcome!

Spending time here doesnt help procreation :)

[mack pl]

:lol: Witam :lol:
Mam nadzieje,ze zagoszcze tu na dluzej p-)

Widzę, że my Polacy mnożymy się jak króliki ;) :D

Welcome!

Spending time here doesnt help procreation :)

all ppl should follow dr.Hermannek advices ;) -" If you want to have childrens, dont post here, go and F***" :lol:

p-)

[Deckard777]

:roll: So,I see that we have big team here..Polish team woot
Ok. Forgive me Herrmannek for my mistake..from today only in english :oops:

[mack pl]

:roll: So,I see that we have big team here..Polish team woot
Ok. Forgive me Herrmannek for my mistake..from today only in english :oops:

yeah, polish mafia p-) :lol:

[Herrmannek]

Ok. Forgive me Herrmannek for my mistake..from today only in english :oops:
I'm not bad at you, but our russian and israeli friends feel uncomfortable when we write polish. They think we are offending them when we speak polish, maybe because they(esspecialy our most beloved russian friends) like to do this way :)

[tony6]

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,53600,2148192.html
(unfortunately-only Polish memberes can read that:)
Latest news:
2 well-informed sources in Washington say that Polish military intelligence knew the names of kidnapers after few days after kidnapping (due to their Iraq informers). They also typed part of Baghdad in which the hostages were held. Then-when they already knew who and where to look-they passed the inorfmation to US intelligence. Cell phones tapping and the whole electronic stuff finished the job.
As for the action itself-article says that (despite official communiques) GROM soldiers together with US did the job.
Also it notes that Washington consideres that action as "very rare example of intlligence information shareing" (which is rare even between allies:)
Regards.

[b.scheller]

thats right baby...

(to the melody of "Fighting soldiers from the sky" :roll: )

Polish soldiers from the sky...fearless men who drink and die...men who mean just what they say...the brave men of the grey beret

:lol:

[mack pl]

Im waiting for ours Italians friends replay ;)
yada! yada! "It wasn't GROM, and polish intel." yada! yada! p-)

:lol:

[tony6]

b.scheller:
I've just gave the link-that's it.

As for Polish intelligence-my friend-You will get know many very interesting things in the future-as soon as our British alllies open their archives (which still are closed in subject of Polish intelligence info during WWII).
Did You know that during WWII about 44% of British Intelligence information from the European continent were delivered by AK (Home Army) intelligence? All that V1 and V2 stuff and so on. Polish Intel delivered COMPLETE V1 rocket to Britain for example.
5000 (5 thousands) pages of reports from thousands of agents from France, Germany etc. every week-yes EVERY WEEK, dude.
Polish forces were 4th army of anti-nazi coalicion during WWII.
Next time You want to laugh at our forces-do some homework first.

[b.scheller]

b.scheller:
I've just gave the link-that's it.

As for Polish intelligence-my friend-You will get know many very interesting things in the future-as soon as our British alllies open their archives (which still are closed in subject of Polish intelligence info during WWII).
Did You know that during WWII about 44% of British Intelligence information from the European continent were delivered by AK (Home Army) intelligence? All that V1 and V2 stuff and so on. Polish Intel delivered COMPLETE V1 rocket to Britain for example.
5000 (5 thousands) pages of reports from thousands of agents from France, Germany etc. every week-yes EVERY WEEK, dude.
Polish forces were 4th army of anti-nazi coalicion during WWII.
Next time You want to laugh at our forces-do some homework first.

i remember my mom told me a story about the v1. the spec op man, dragged the rocket from one end of penemunde to the other and then somehow managed to drag it into the water and swim with it, to the British submarine...

tony? what link are you talking about...??

[mack pl]

tony? what link are you talking about...??
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,53600,2148192.html


btw Tony- AK kupiło info o V1 od innej organizacji, ale i tak polskiej, więc mamy powód do dumy ;) :D

sorry for polish :)