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Afro-European
09-07-2008, 05:08 AM
The leading Labour rebel, Frank Field, has teamed up with senior Tories to demand a cap on the number of immigrants settling in Britain.
In a move that will alarm Downing Street, Field will tomorrow become the first prominent Labour figure to tackle Gordon Brown openly over the explosive issue of immigration.
A former welfare minister under Tony Blair, Field will join Nicholas Soames, the Tory MP, to call for a huge reduction in the numbers of non-European Union workers who settle permanently in Britain. Soames, a former minister under John Major, is a hate figure among many Labour MPs.
Together with the pressure group Migrationwatch, Field and his allies will launch the first cross-party parliamentary immigration group. The move has tacit support from at least one government minister.
The Labour maverick led the backbench rebellion over Brown’s controversial abolition of the 10p tax rate. His latest intervention will be seen by Downing Street as likely to cause division within Labour ranks by challenging Brown on a key area of Labour policy. Until now the idea of imposing any kind of immigration quota has been taboo in Labour circles.
Field believes that unchecked immigration is placing an intolerable burden on schools, transport, the health service and the environment. He will cite figures showing that the rise in immigration means that Britain will need to build seven new cities the size of Birmingham by 2031.
A forecast by the European commission predicts that Britain’s population will rise from 60.9m today to 77m within 50 years, making it Europe’s most populous country.
In 2006, the latest year for which figures are available, an estimated 591,000 people arrived in the UK. About 400,000 left the country, leaving net immigration at 191,000.
Field will call on Brown to balance the number of those coming to settle in Britain with those emigrating.
He will propose that all but a tiny minority of the skilled foreigners from outside the EU coming to work here on new four-year work permits should leave as soon as their permits expire. Under the present system, most stay on and are allowed to settle permanently.
“The group believe that this should be the central aim of immigration policy. Only a small number would be allowed to settle and that number would be capped,” said a source close to Field.
Yesterday one government minister said he privately supported the move. “We absolutely have to have a cap, otherwise how can you control it? Any sensible person will say that predictions that the population will grow to nearly 80m is unsustainable,” he said.
“If you don’t have a cap on those who stay after their work permits expire, you can’t control the long-term trend.”
Field has spoken about the need to control immigration from eastern Europe. But this is the first time that any Labour figure has called for a quota on migrants coming to settle.
Ministers have consistently dismissed Tory calls for a quota, saying it would make little difference as most migrants come from the EU and have a legal right to stay. But that view is challenged by Migrationwatch, which has found that immigration from the EU will soon balance out. The pressure of immigration in future will come from non-EU countries, including those in Africa and Asia.
Unofficial estimates suggest that as many as 100,000 foreigners a year who come to Britain under work permit schemes decide to flout immigration rules and stay on when their permits expire.
The Home Office has recently introduced an Australian points-based system designed to restrict the number of non-EU migrants entering under the work permit scheme to those who have proper qualifications and experience. But the Tories — and Field — believe that the scheme is still an open door because it does not set an annual limit on numbers.
David Cameron, the Conservative party leader, said last year that he wanted to reduce “substantially” the number of non-EU immigrants. He has promised to announce a specific limit in the party’s next election manifesto.
Field will emphasise that he does not want a limit on the numbers of new migrants per se. Instead he plans to target the more important issue of placing a cap on those who settle here permanently.
Field’s friends say his move is designed to reflect genuine concern among working-class people in his Birkenhead constituency. Last December the MP revealed new figures which showed that most new jobs were going to migrants. The figures made a mockery of Brown’s declaration that he wanted “British jobs for British workers”.
The Statistics Commission said that 1.4m workers born abroad had taken jobs in Britain since 1997 — up to 81% of the 1.7m new jobs.
The new group believes it has backing from business leaders such as the Institute of Directors and the CBI. Field expects to receive substantial public support. Previous opinion polls show about half of existing migrants felt there should be curbs on future immigrants coming to Britain.
A Home Office spokesperson last night said: "Migration is good for employment and good for the economy - new migrants contributed £6 billion to the UK economy in 2006 alone.
"The tough Australian-style points system means only those Britain needs and no more can come here and it's flexible - allowing us to raise or lower the bar according to the needs of business and the country as a whole. When setting the pass mark, we will listen to the advice of the Migration Advisory Committee, an independent panel of economists.
"All migrants must speak English and obey the law if they want to gain citizenship.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4692865.ece

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Frank Field aka "the rebel".

I read somewhere that Poles are massively heading back to their home country since their economy is "flourishing".

gayarabianman
09-07-2008, 07:15 AM
Good i hope they send them all home :)
Leave there women here mind you :)

Calanen
09-07-2008, 07:26 AM
Immigration needs to be like a job interview. The UK has 10,000 (for example) positions for new citizens. Take CVs, take interviews. Only the best people get the job as a citizen of the UK. Or anywhere else in the West. A UK passport is not some right to be given to people who hate the Crown and the West. Its a privilege that has to be earned, not given away like free sample candy.

Oh, you cant speak English, want to declare jihad on the UK and like buying pool chemicals..then gtfo.

IDF_TANKER
09-07-2008, 07:29 AM
Immigration needs to be like a job interview. The UK has 10,000 (for example) positions for new citizens. Take CVs, take interviews. Only the best people get the job as a citizen of the UK. Or anywhere else in the West. A UK passport is not some right to be given to people who hate the Crown and the West. Its a privilege that has to be earned, not given away like free sample candy.

Oh, you cant speak English, want to declare jihad on the UK and like buying pool chemicals..then gtfo.

Well, doesn't it work like this in Canada to a certain extent - you have to be healthy, have a higher education or required profession etc?

Alfacentori
09-07-2008, 07:34 AM
Immigration needs to be like a job interview. The UK has 10,000 (for example) positions for new citizens. Take CVs, take interviews. Only the best people get the job as a citizen of the UK. Or anywhere else in the West. A UK passport is not some right to be given to people who hate the Crown and the West. Its a privilege that has to be earned, not given away like free sample candy.

Oh, you cant speak English, want to declare jihad on the UK and like buying pool chemicals..then gtfo.

That would be politically incorrect, racist, anti free something, shirking our responsability to have multicultural societies and not allowing people to transfer their problems to the west.

What are you doing thinking sensible stuff like that Calanen?

Alfa

Calanen
09-07-2008, 07:37 AM
Well, doesn't it work like this in Canada to a certain extent - you have to be healthy, have a higher education or required profession etc?

Er.......no.

Dr_ColoSSus
09-07-2008, 07:43 AM
I read somewhere that Poles are massively heading back to their home country since their economy is "flourishing".

I read it was because their currency rose against the pound.

Still, If the poms won't let the poles stay, lets invite them over here. Provided they bring all their women of course.

Afro-European
09-07-2008, 08:40 AM
Abolish the welfare system or don't make it accessible to those that overstay they visum or come in uninvited.You 'll see that people will self-select.The ones that can support themselves will stay,those that can't will leave.

oldsoak
09-07-2008, 03:55 PM
I read it was because their currency rose against the pound.

Still, If the poms won't let the poles stay, lets invite them over here. Provided they bring all their women of course.

Its not the Poles that are the problem - in anycase as EU citizens we cant stop them coming in. We have a lot of African and Asian immigrants who are more , erm, problematic. However, if we tightened the rules on non Eu immigrants, its will be those from western English speaking countries that will get the chop. No guesses for who that will be.

Gawel1410
09-07-2008, 10:07 PM
I read somewhere that Poles are massively heading back to their home country since their economy is "flourishing".[/QUOTE]

Well I was in Poland a while ago, and no offense I really doubt that they have a "flourishing", since everything there is really expensive, even for me an American, yep they get paid about less than 5 times that the average american gets, pretty bad in my opinion.