German Social Democrats (SPD) in riot

[tluassa]

The chief of the SPD Kurt Beck has retreated from leading the party, German Foreign Minister Steinmeier will run against Merkel in the upcoming election.

What you think ? And who will lead the SPD ? Interesting things happen today :)

I have to say, (as a liberal ;) ) it was better to choose Steinmeier over Beck, better to have the old owl compared to the hedgehock

[Mackie]

Beck. Those fat moron flooding the room with sweat in every speech. He's the SPDs grave digger.

[klatschnik]

spd?

sandbox party for dilettantes

who need this socialist and postcommi as***les anymore?

[Weasel]

Great first post. :roll:

And the S does not stand for "socialist".

Anyway, Beck is out.

[tluassa]

Great first post. :roll:

And the S does not stand for "socialist".

Anyway, Beck is out.

Mütze will retake leadership of the SPD. Well, at least somebody that they will listen too. Im not happy about the rise of the hardcore leftists, better to have a strong Social Democratic fraction than Post-Communists.

[toki]

I have to say, (as a liberal ;) ) it was better to choose Steinmeier over Beck, better to have the old owl compared to the hedgehock
Be careful with the word liberal, i assume you are "FDP-liberal". It is pretty much the opposite of what the average mp.net user understands as "liberal".

(For the foreigners Roughly said, FDP is more of a free-trade, anti labor union party. Low taxes etc. That is liberal here.)

[Wall]

And the S does not stand for "socialist".

That doesnt mean that they arent socialists.

[Weasel]

That doesnt mean that they arent socialists.

No, but who would be stupid enough to say their are?

[tluassa]

Be careful with the word liberal, i assume you are "FDP-liberal". It is pretty much the opposite of what the average mp.net user understands as "liberal".

(For the foreigners Roughly said, FDP is more of a free-trade, anti labor union party. Low taxes etc. That is liberal here.)

Well, the FDP has brought some controversial newer laws of the "grand coalition" to trial and successfully forced the government to rework them. (for example smoking laws, and the new surveillance laws that CDU Minister Schäuble wanted to put into action. )

[muck]

No, but who would be stupid enough to say their are?
Their left wing is socialist. Just look at what Hesse's would-be minister president Mrs. Ypsilanti just now has suggested again: Nationalization of the power supply system. That's socialism with all due respect.

As far as I'm concerned I couldn't care less about the SPD. Mr. Beck will go down into history books as the worst leader to ever have presided over this party. They probably think that they just had to oust him as otherwise the SPD would have run in the worst federal election results of all times next year. I guess they're wrong though. The conservative SPD wing has lost much of its approval both internally and among their voters. Mr. Müntefehring and Mr. Steinmeier represent exactly that wing and first and foremost they're the editors of the Agenda 2010 reform programme which is widely criticized at the moment.

I pray that we'll see both the SPD and the leftists in the opposition next year and not in the government.

[little icebear]

Well, the FDP has brought some controversial newer laws of the "grand coalition" to trial and successfully forced the government to rework them. (for example smoking laws, and the new surveillance laws that CDU Minister Schäuble wanted to put into action. )

Well, that´s what true liberalism should be about, isn´t it? Who needs a nanny state, telling club owners whether his customers may or may not smoke within his own property?
And who needs useless Stasi 2.0 surveillance and Vorratsdatenspeicherung?
If someone wants more safety against a percieved threat, be it criminal or terrorist, hire more cops and attorneys to persecute the bad guys.
But god forbid - that would cost our money... better make some stupid feel-good laws, creating the illusion of safety while reducing our rights concering privacy...
That being said, I´m deeply disappointed by Schäuble anyway... I used to hold him in higher regard but I was wrong. I´m not pleased at all, with pretty much everything he says and does...

[tluassa]

"Well, that´s what true liberalism should be about, isn´t it? Who needs a nanny state, telling club owners whether his customers may or may not smoke within his own property?
And who needs useless Stasi 2.0 surveillance and Vorratsdatenspeicherung?"

Amen.

Back to SPD topic, any bets on chances in the upcoming elections ? Pretty hard to have a Chancellor and Foreign Minister / Vice Chancellor fighting each other for a year.

[muck]

Back to SPD topic, any bets on chances in the upcoming elections ? Pretty hard to have a Chancellor and Foreign Minister / Vice Chancellor fighting each other for a year.
Yeah, it's the worst thing that could have happened to us. Especially now during a world-wide crisis where we needed a Chancellor and a Foreign Minister who need to work together.

[Weasel]

Their left wing is socialist. Just look at what Hesse's would-be minister president Mrs. Ypsilanti just now has suggested again: Nationalization of the power supply system. That's socialism with all due respect.

That´s not socialism, that´s populism. ;-)


I pray that we'll see both the SPD and the leftists in the opposition next year and not in the government.

I don´t care who will be in the opposition next year. Everyone will block everyone.

[Weasel]

Yeah, it's the worst thing that could have happened to us. Especially now during a world-wide crisis where we needed a Chancellor and a Foreign Minister who need to work together.

What world-wide-crisis?

[muck]

Mother Russia's power play maybe? :|

[Macs.]

Mother Russia's power play maybe? :|

... and don't forget the economy that is in the ****ter, with only the good old "everything-is-okay-calculating" holding up the last umbrella to hide how ****ty this is getting.

[klatschnik]

Great first post. :roll:


thanks. :petting:




And the S does not stand for "socialist".



really? ok, ok, now i know, it stands for sh*thead? right?

[Kampfbaer]

Reading the title, I just had to look out of the window, expecting to see some Sozis running through Berlin, wasting the neighbourhood.

Anyway, Mr. Beck was acting unlucky all the time and it will take some time for Mr. Müntefehring to sort things out.

[Weasel]

Reading the title, I just had to look out of the window, expecting to see some Sozis running through Berlin, wasting the neighbourhood.

A new October revolution? :grin:

[Kampfbaer]

A new October revolution? :grin:

A bit early on the 7th of September, but hey who knows.