Muslims Attack Jews in Paris

[Calanen]

Muslim immigrants attack three Jewish teens in Paris http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gifBy Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and DPA

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gifTags: Anti-Semitism (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Anti-Semitism), Paris (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Paris)
Three Jewish teens were attacked by a group of Muslim African immigrants in Paris on Saturday evening, a French police spokeswoman said Sunday.

The Jewish teens, ages 17 and 18, who have been identified as Dan Nebet, Kevin Bitan and David Boaziz, are leaders of the Bnei Akiva youth group in Paris' 19th District.
Thttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gifhiery Nebet, Dan's father, told Haaretz over the phone that according to what his son had said, as they were walking down the street, "Four or five Arabs of African origin started to throw walnuts at Kevin. When he went up to them to ask them why they did it, they surrounded him and knocked him down. Kevin and David moved in and very quickly more Arabs joined in and started to beat the three with their fists and with chains."

The Jewish teens were hospitalized, one with a broken nose and jaw and all three with bruises, and filed a police report after their release. Police opened an investigation and are looking for the Muslim teenagers allegedly responsible for the attacks.

According to the chairman of the Jewish Students Union in France, Raphael Haddad, barrages of stones were thrown at the three teens during the attack. Haddad also said the incident occured on Petit Street in the 19th District, not far from where a 17-yea-ar-old Jewish youth was attacked and seriously injured by immigrants on June 21.

The attack is one of a long series of racial attacks in Europe in general and in France in particular. France has Western Europe's largest population of both Jews and Muslims.

The assault was condemned by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and was described by Jewish organizations as an act of anti-Semitism. The Jewish Agency's envoy in Paris, Rafi Zaush, told Army Radio that attacks in the 19th District are common but most incidents are less violent and therefore not reported by the media.

The French ministerial committee to fight racism and anti-Semitism showed concern over the incidents in the 19th District and turned to the mayor, requesting he beef up police presence ahead of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. The French Ministry of the Interior confirmed that the attack was motivated by anti-Semitism, saying the incident ended with relatively little damage.

According to Thiery Nebet a large number of Jews live in the 19th District and, "The atmosphere here is difficult. Now I need to protect our sons so they will not talk a great deal, because that is what we were told by the community's security people. This time it was my son; it can be anyone. The Jews want to live in peace but it's impossible with the Arabs here. We go around with a skullcap and that bothers them, but we don't care. If we have to take off our skullcaps to live better, it's better to leave now."

Benjamin Touati, head of the French desk of World Bnei Akiva, said Sunday: "The situation is very worrisome. One hundred meters from the place of the attack is a Chabad school with 1800 female students."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1018853.html

[All were wearing skull caps, identifying them as Jews]

[Rudolph]

To some's dismay I am neutral regarding the Israeli/Jewish-issue, but this crap is totally unacceptable!! Certain groups just keep on proving to the world what a problem they are...

[Zombie Squad]

Stones where thrown.. They seem to have a particular love for stones.

[Telmar]

Awful.

I feel ashamed this sh!t is still going on and we still have not found the solutions.

Although the racial aspect is clear, the core of the problem are these youth gangs looking for fights anywhere they can find them.

It's time to take a few thugs and to make an example so terrifying for the others that they'll think twice before even raising their voice to an old lady.

[Cedan]

maybe these student unions should invite some Krav Maga instructors ...

[Divine]

Muslims and stones - the unholy alliance.

[sikh_warrior]

Muslims and stones - the unholy alliance.

they want to go back to stone age and want to drag every one with them!

france, germany, holland, denmark, belgium and good old england will be trouble spots in near future cause of large muslim populations which were allowed to settle down in ghettos within these countries!

[-Church-]

Stones where thrown.. They seem to have a particular love for stones.

To them its high tech.

[Mackie]

Sad story
Religions suck!

[Ivan le Fou]

It's time to take a few thugs and to make an example so terrifying for the others that they'll think twice before even raising their voice to an old lady.

I agree, and many French too. The problem is: if you punish someone belonging to a minority you will see all the people of this minority in the streets.
That's how started the riots in France two years ago, when two young arab immigrants tried to escape a police identity control and died in an electric building *don't know the word sorry*.
They know that and take advantage of this situation.

Plus, the french "justice" is somehow inapropriate. Meaning that: if you try to defend yourself while agressed and hurt the one attacking you, you risk more than him. Selfdefense is punishable in France (even for policemen). The victim becomes the offender.

[Excalibur]

islamo-fascists are same s*****t everywhere.

[sikh_warrior]

I agree, and many French too. The problem is: if you punish someone belonging to a minority you will see all the people of this minority in the streets.
That's how started the riots in France two years ago, when two young arab immigrants tried to escape a police identity control and died in an electric building *don't know the word sorry*.
They know that and take advantage of this situation.

Plus, the french "justice" is somehow inapropriate. Meaning that: if you try to defend yourself while agressed and hurt the one attacking you, you risk more than him. Selfdefense is punishable in France (even for policemen). The victim becomes the offender.

thats how the islamists shout about they being in minority.....imagine what happens when they will be in majority? will they give in to the rights of the minorities?

[Ivan le Fou]

thats how the islamists shout about they being in minority.....imagine what happens when they will be in majority? will they give in to the rights of the minorities?

Obviously not...

[Invisigoth]

That's why I avoid the 19th, period. Not just about Muslims, Jews or Christians but simply about parts of it being a ghetto where you have a good chance of getting assaulted by 'disenfranchised' (read. anti-social) youth.

[sikh_warrior]

i was in paris in feb 2003, i simply loved it.....its so damn romantic....but yeah every city has a dark side too!

european govts too soft when it comes to immigrants......specially slims!

[Connaught Ranger]

they want to go back to stone age and want to drag every one with them!

france, germany, holland, denmark, belgium and good old england will be trouble spots in near future cause of large muslim populations which were allowed to settle down in ghettos within these countries!

The Muslims in the U.K. do not live in Ghettos, they like there Indian and Pakistani neighbors tend to live in quite open districts, you really should look up the definition of a Ghetto.

They, has much as any other religious group who can prove their connections to the old Imperial Empire have a perfect right to live in the United Kingdom.

Recently in the news there was a report on gang violence in a U.K. town, including a stabbing death, the gang's based upon "postcodes" defining their territory:bash:

Connaught Ranger.

[sikh_warrior]

i think the birhmingham riots in england were not cause of slims living in ghettos!

its the indians who dont live in ghettos and are part of the main stream society.

during my visit to england in 2006, my wife kept asking me where are the white people?

slims all over the world tend to live as close to each other as possible and hence the formation of ghetto!

nobody has a right to come and live in england cause of emperial connections!

anyway another 50-100 years it will be called Englistan!

[Bushranger]

The Muslims in the U.K. do not live in Ghettos.
Connaught Ranger.

If you ask me half of the cities in the UK are Ghettos.

[sikh_warrior]

If you ask me half of the cities in the UK are Ghettos.

corrected:

if you ask me, main cities of western europe with slim populations ARE ghettos.

[Hollis]

corrected:

if you ask me, main cities of western europe with slim populations ARE ghettos.

What is a "SLIM"?

[maw]

If you ask me half of the cities in the UK are Ghettos.

i hate people saying they are from the ghetto. do they have tarmac roads, electricity, running potable water and underground sewers? if so, then they are not ghettos. i've travelled around and seen some real ghettos, the smell of feces is still imprinted into my mind.

[toki]

corrected:

if you ask me, main cities of western europe with slim populations ARE ghettos.

Every city in western Europe has a muslim population, though only a fraction live in ghettos, speak homogeneous districts/communities. It differs widely. 18% of the population of my city has a foreign pass, probably 5-10% are muslim. But this place hardly has the ghettos you'd find in other cities. If you look at a few neighbouring cities you'll more likely find "ghettos". But you can hardly generalize. A district with higher immigrant population doesn't neccessarily mean ghetto. 80%+ and i'd call it ghetto (as in homogeneous minority communities), not 20-30%.

Is it too hard to write muslim?

[maw]

Three Jewish teens were attacked by a group of Muslim African immigrants in Paris on Saturday evening, a French police spokeswoman said Sunday.

i hope the victims recover quickly. the scum should be deported back to africa. but algeria doesn't want them back. the algerian immigrants want no part of mainstream french life and have no intention of integrating. therefore deportation is the only option, anything else is just postponing the problem for later generations.

[Connaught Ranger]

i think the birhmingham riots in england were not cause of slims living in ghettos!

its the indians who dont live in ghettos and are part of the main stream society.

during my visit to england in 2006, my wife kept asking me where are the white people?

slims all over the world tend to live as close to each other as possible and hence the formation of ghetto!

nobody has a right to come and live in england cause of emperial connections!

anyway another 50-100 years it will be called Englistan!

I find your comments to be borderline racist, and, all people including the "Indians" are going to the United Kingdom, not just England, for your information the United Kingdom consists of the areas of England, Scotland, Wales,and Northern Island, incorporating the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

I just spent two weeks in the Croydon / London area and had no problem seeing "white" people amongst the multi-cultural, multi-ethnic population, perhaps you need to get the wife a pair of glasses:roll:.

And Britain has a responsibility to the peoples of the countries which she once controlled, whether you like it or not, regardless of their colour or creed.

Connaught Ranger.

[Hollis]

.

Is it too hard to write muslim?


Good point, and thanks for answering my question.

sikh_warrior, I am sure you probably want your beliefs to be treated with respect or at least common courtesy. Do it for others too.

[Lazy Lob]

The Muslims in the U.K. do not live in Ghettos, they like there Indian and Pakistani neighbors tend to live in quite open districts, you really should look up the definition of a Ghetto.

From Wiki:
A ghetto is described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."

You should visit Ilford, Walthamstow, Leyton, Barking, Newham, Southall, Hounslow, Tooting. That’s just London.

Then you have Birmingham, Bradford, Newham, Waltham Forest, Rochdale, Oldham, Luton and the list goes on.

[Connaught Ranger]

From Wiki:

You should visit Ilford, Walthamstow, Leyton, Barking, Newham, Southall, Hounslow, Tooting. That’s just London.

Then you have Birmingham, Bradford, Newham, Waltham Forest, Rochdale, Oldham, Luton and the list goes on.

I have been in Birmingham, (was born in Nottingham actually,) with its large Irish population, however there was never an Irish Ghetto, even though they tended to live in the same districts.

Been in Barking too in my time ("The Volunteer" and "Barge Aground" beeing two of my drinking spots).

To me a ghetto is a place with walls and gates to keep people of a certain creed or colour in and others out, the old reason being given "for their, (the occupants) protection."

Just because a street has a large percentage of people of one colour, there is no reason to label it a ghetto, in fact by using your definition the "white, Anglo Saxon ish" population would be living in ghettos:p

Connaught Ranger:)

[carlzheng]

mulisms is a too isolated ethnic group,i fear them.

[Chimera]

mulisms is a too isolated ethnic group,i fear them.

I fear the Chinese, I think they live like an isolated country, without considering simple international regulations such as... copyrights.

[sikh_warrior]

Good point, and thanks for answering my question.

sikh_warrior, I am sure you probably want your beliefs to be treated with respect or at least common courtesy. Do it for others too.

i have no problem writing muslims or islamic.....but 2-3 weeks ago i was banned for being to straight forward in blaming them for some terror acts in india.

now i will come back to writing muslims/islamic.

thanx for clearing doubts about what a Ghetto is.

yeah do visit those placed mentioned by lazy lob

[Hollis]

i have no problem writing muslims or islamic.....but 2-3 weeks ago i was banned for being to straight forward in blaming them for some terror acts in india.

now i will come back to writing muslims/islamic.

thanx for clearing doubts about what a Ghetto is.

yeah do visit those placed mentioned by lazy lob


Ok, let's look at it this way. Not all Muslims are the same, Not all Muslims follow the same understanding of Islam, Not all Muslims are from the same culture, Not All Muslims live in the same area, Not All Muslims look alike, act alike.................. get my point.


Specific groups is not the same as everyone else.

BTW not all Sikh are the same either.


Look up the term, Equivocation, to equivocate (both are classified as both a formal and informal fallacy.

[sikh_warrior]

looks like you havent had an encounter with a hardcore muslim as of yet!

why you think muslims settled in england bomb the tube, preach hatred against british?

you are too naive dude....how else do you expect islam to achieve ummah?

[Hollis]

looks like you havent had an encounter with a hardcore muslim as of yet!

why you think muslims settled in england bomb the tube, preach hatred against british?

you are too naive dude....how else do you expect islam to achieve ummah?


Just look up those terms. Yeah I am too naive.

[kamaz]

but but but, they are only against Zionism, not against jews, dont you see.

[Hollis]

"Palazzi, who is secretary-general of the Italian Muslim Association, <http://shell.spqr.net/islam/> also said he approved of Sharon's decision to "destroy the centers of the Arafatian terror in Israel" and accused the Palestinian Authority chairman of inciting "more than 30 years of barbarian and indiscriminate terror."

And what religion is he and how does he fit into your all encompassing total view of all Muslims?

Also your playing into the terrorist hands, they want all Muslims to support them, that all Muslims have the same enemies, That they (terrorists) represent all Muslim's interests. So yes, tell all the Muslims that they are on the wrong side when they fight against terrorism or condemn terrorism.

[sikh_warrior]

im infidel, i cant understand what those terms mean.

[Telmar]

I agree, and many French too. The problem is: if you punish someone belonging to a minority you will see all the people of this minority in the streets.
That's how started the riots in France two years ago, when two young arab immigrants tried to escape a police identity control and died in an electric building *don't know the word sorry*.
They know that and take advantage of this situation.

Plus, the french "justice" is somehow inapropriate. Meaning that: if you try to defend yourself while agressed and hurt the one attacking you, you risk more than him. Selfdefense is punishable in France (even for policemen). The victim becomes the offender.

Yes I know. I am part of the French as well, just not paying the same taxes you do:)

The justice system is too easy going, and anyways there are no free spots in jail. Police arrest guys that are set back out. Many police officers are demoralized. A good police officer friend told me that as much he disagrees with it, his mission and those of his men stop where the laws make them stop. And if the citizens b!tch about crime, they may want to take it to the previous governments and even the present one.

New punishments should be introduced for these young thugs. Something really harsh. But it can only be if the people stop finding false excuses for murderous behaviour.

[Zeev]

Sad story
Religions suck!

particullary islam 90% of the time, you'll never see jews attacking muslim or arab teens, let's say the truth..

unfortunately, this isn't the first case in france, and I think that it won't be the last, real french people (of french roots) are not to blame, but because there are 4 million of muslims in france and especially in the Paris area, living over there is more and more difficult for Jews, some of them have daily problems with their "neighbors" which didn't understand that they are living in europe, not in the middle east, and that they should worry about their studies or finding a job instead of importing a conflict which isn't their own problem (99% of them came from north africa) and about they don't fvcking understand even a half.

[nagant_m44]

particullary islam 90% of the time, you'll never see jews attacking muslim or arab teens, let's say the truth..

unfortunately, this isn't the first case in france, and I think that it won't be the last, real french people (of french roots) are not to blame, but because there are 4 million of muslims in france and especially in the Paris area, living over there is more and more difficult for Jews, some of them have daily problems with their "neighbors" which didn't understand that they are living in europe, not in the middle east, and that they should worry about their studies or finding a job instead of importing a conflict which isn't their own problem (99% of them came from north africa) and about they don't fvcking understand even a half.

yes you will. No group of people is perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxR39TFh0I0

[gilgoul]

yes you will. No group of people is perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxR39TFh0I0

WTF???

Can you explain to me what it has to do with the subject??

[Hollis]

WTF???

Can you explain to me what it has to do with the subject??


Ask Zeev he opened it up.

I am also not interested in getting into a pissing match over who has less thugs in their "culture". I don't care whose thugs they are, I don't like thugs,,,Period.

[Bitogno]

Seeing how the story of the assault of Rudy H. started and what the enquiry concluded I wait for the French police to do his work.

[sikh_warrior]

stop behaving like jehadis, guys.....lets keep it to the subject and not get personal.

beers and cheers?

[Ulytau]

Thugs lookin like serious issue in France and you people can be sure they dont care religion or something ''About some memories of the Turks who visited Paris and some groups beein serious problem for the tourists people etc''

Also i hope injured youngs can be good as soon as possible and easy to understand fear of the families.. >.<

[helomech]

a group of Muslim African immigrants in Paris


So what happened to the Muslim punk bitches?If they're still in France they need to be deported back to Sh1tzville,preferably by airdrop from a C-130,no parachutes

[BAF]

stupid racists

[Zeev]

yes you will. No group of people is perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxR39TFh0I0


you get my point. this is very rare, please don't play with words and appear more stupid than you really are.

[donllano]

you get my point. this is very rare, please don't play with words and appear more stupid than you really are.

Erm, while I support Israel most of the time, your the one who looks stupid making those "my culture is perfect while yours is not" comments.

Like some people said is previous posts, these are just groups of thugs looking to fight with another group of thugs.

[Connaught Ranger]

looks like you havent had an encounter with a hardcore muslim as of yet!

why you think muslims settled in england bomb the tube, preach hatred against british?

you are too naive dude....how else do you expect islam to achieve ummah?

Again I will have tell you, as you appear to be hard of understanding, its not just England where the Muslims live, and like their neighbors from India and Pakistan they live all over the United Kingdom.

And again you are taring all the Muslims with the same brush, the Muslims who carried out the terror attacks against the British (funny you used the word british when previous to this you used the word england, so you do know the difference) were obviously Muslim Fundamentalists.

You are the one being naive Dude if you think you can hide your obvious anti-Muslim sentiment in the wording of your posts.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Zeev]

Erm, while I support Israel most of the time, your the one who looks stupid making those "my culture is perfect while yours is not" comments.

Like some people said is previous posts, these are just groups of thugs looking to fight with another group of thugs.

No this isn't, in france jews where many times attacked by "thugs" of muslim origins, just because they were clearly identified as jews, all the agressed jews were wearing distinct signs of judaism, like kippas etc, and they were agressed just because of that, not for other reasons than beat some jews and having fun, I never said that my culture was perfect, where the fvck did you read that ??? are you stupid or what?? but if you want to be blind and think that these facts, which are frequently repeated in France since 2001 are just simple acts of delinquance without any links with the clear appartenace of the agressed people to judaism, and If you want to believe that those kids who where just going to pray at the synagogue are also thugs that got what they deserved, so believe it , and live in your fantasy world, but don't come play the teacher while you don't even know what you're talking about! :bash:

[gilgoul]

Ask Zeev he opened it up.

I am also not interested in getting into a pissing match over who has less thugs in their "culture". I don't care whose thugs they are, I don't like thugs,,,Period.

I can only agree with you on this one.

[crayola]

Chat With Single Arabs HERE

:o

[Berk]

So what happened to the Muslim punk bitches?If they're still in France they need to be deported back to Sh1tzville,preferably by airdrop from a C-130,no parachutes

deport the 3 jews as well then, it was a fight between gangs...

[Calanen]

deport the 3 jews as well then, it was a fight between gangs...

What a stupid thing to say, they were Jewish teenagers on the way to synagogue. That's not a 'gang'.

[donllano]

No this isn't, in france jews where many times attacked by "thugs" of muslim origins, just because they were clearly identified as jews, all the agressed jews were wearing distinct signs of judaism, like kippas etc, and they were agressed just because of that, not for other reasons than beat some jews and having fun, I never said that my culture was perfect, where the fvck did you read that ??? are you stupid or what?? but if you want to be blind and think that these facts, which are frequently repeated in France since 2001 are just simple acts of delinquance without any links with the clear appartenace of the agressed people to judaism, and If you want to believe that those kids who where just going to pray at the synagogue are also thugs that got what they deserved, so believe it , and live in your fantasy world, but don't come play the teacher while you don't even know what you're talking about! :bash:

It seems I did not make myself clear, I will give you that... Nevertheless, you make it sound like that Jews have NEVER attacked someone, much less beat someone up because of their religion. Every single religion, culture, whatever, has nutcases and thugs and Israel is not exempt of it.

[kahn267]

Erm, while I support Israel most of the time, your the one who looks stupid making those "my culture is perfect while yours is not" comments.

Like some people said is previous posts, these are just groups of thugs looking to fight with another group of thugs.


This isnt just a group of thugs looking to fight another group of thugs, these aren't lone wolves looking for trouble with anyone. These guys roam the streets in Jewish neighbourhoods looking to fight with anyone Jewish. It has happened numerous times even in such a safe country like Australia.

I went to a Jewish day-school in Australia growing up, and it always pissed me off that any other school be it Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Public or Private, did not have the need for armed security when my school and other Jewish schools had armed security guards - which constantly was justified with random attacks and threats.

You can say well there white supremacists and racial attacks of all cultures, but I promise you and its not from experiencing it myself and hearing about it from being in that community, but attacks of Jews are far more prevalent then attacks of any other culture in normal society.

In the Lebanese War in 2006 alone, the amount of anti-semetic attacks in Australia rose 500% with numerous threats, bashings, arson attack, anti-semetic graffiti etc

[nagant_m44]

you get my point. this is very rare, please don't play with words and appear more stupid than you really are.

I didn't play with words, i quoted exactly what you said.

[donllano]

This isnt just a group of thugs looking to fight another group of thugs, these aren't lone wolves looking for trouble with anyone. These guys roam the streets in Jewish neighbourhoods looking to fight with anyone Jewish. It has happened numerous times even in such a safe country like Australia.

I went to a Jewish day-school in Australia growing up, and it always pissed me off that any other school be it Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Public or Private, did not have the need for armed security when my school and other Jewish schools had armed security guards - which constantly was justified with random attacks and threats.

You can say well there white supremacists and racial attacks of all cultures, but I promise you and its not from experiencing it myself and hearing about it from being in that community, but attacks of Jews are far more prevalent then attacks of any other culture in normal society.

In the Lebanese War in 2006 alone, the amount of anti-semetic attacks in Australia rose 500% with numerous threats, bashings, arson attack, anti-semetic graffiti etc

I understand where you are coming from and I sympathize (I lived in the San Sebastian in Basque Country and I‘m part Spanish/Colombian which means one hell of a childhood ;) ) but I was talking out of personal experience and while I am sure that these particular youngsters where just minding their own business, my cousin is currently engaged with a very nice Jewish guy and a few years back I went with them (when I was living in Spain) to South Florida. There I started talking to group of Jews (I didn‘t know they where orthodox) asking for direction and after a while we where just casually talking waiting for my cousin to pick me up. I guess I mentioned that my cousins boyfriend was Jewish since I didn’t see it as a big deal but as soon as she showed up they started harassing us and one guy even tried to scratch my cousins face. Once we left, we went to Sunny Isles city hall just a few blocks down and placed a complain. There the police officer told us that while such an act is not common around there, there have been other similar incidents.
That just goes to show you that people shouldn’t generalize and say that because it happens little, it doesn’t happen at all, and then go on to insinuate that because of that their culture is better than anything else. And yes, my cousin and her boyfriend are still together and he says he is even going to propose.

[Bitogno]

What a stupid thing to say, they were Jewish teenagers on the way to synagogue. That's not a 'gang'.
At the begining Rudy H. was also said to be a Jewish teenager on the way to synagogue until the enquiry showed he was a thug participating in a fight between gangs. So wait for the police enquiry to sort everything out. Until now and according to the "victims" no antisemitic insults were said during the asssault.

[Telmar]

At the begining Rudy H. was also said to be a Jewish teenager on the way to synagogue until the enquiry showed he was a thug participating in a fight between gangs. So wait for the police enquiry to sort everything out. Until now and according to the "victims" no antisemitic insults were said during the asssault.

Rudy was part of a group for sure. Maybe it was also for survival in a tough neighbourhood. You want to call him a thug, you are free to do so.

But for me, there is thug and thug. Even though such agressions are very rare, the monstruosity of the attack against Rudy H, against Ilan Halimi or this one are in no way comparable to anything that happens to a bunch of potential murderers that roam the streets of French big cities but are "victims" because the police does not call them "Sir". To be noted that these murderers prefer attacking people alone while them being at least five. It's time to open penitienciaries on the Kerguelen islands for these young POS and let them fight between themselves for scarce food.

I can't follow you on your comment about Rudy.

[Bitogno]

Rudy was part of a group for sure. Maybe it was also for survival in a tough neighbourhood. You want to call him a thug, you are free to do so.

But for me, there is thug and thug. Even though such agressions are very rare, the monstruosity of the attack against Rudy H, against Ilan Halimi or this one are in no way comparable to anything that happens to a bunch of potential murderers that roam the streets of French big cities but are "victims" because the police does not call them "Sir". To be noted that these murderers prefer attacking people alone while them being at least five. It's time to open penitienciaries on the Kerguelen islands for these young POS and let them fight between themselves for scarce food.

I can't follow you on your comment about Rudy.

Someone who is facing charges for assault with weapon, yes that is Rudy H., is a thug whatever his religion. Let me remind you that Rudy H. was arrested the 9 december 2007 for "Volontary hit and wound with weapon". Let me also remind you that according to witnesses, when Rudy H. was wounded, he wasn't alone ( actually he was with around 20 jews ) and it was them who assaulted the muslims, it was the following of the theft of a scooter. And to finish Rudy H. is said to be close to Betar and "La ligue de defense juive" which for the last one is considered in USA and even in Israel as a terrorist organisation ( but strangely it is allowed in France )
So wait for the police enquiry and whatever the result everyone will have to bear his responsabilities.

[Telmar]

Someone who is facing charges for assault with weapon, yes that is Rudy H., is a thug whatever his religion. Let me remind you that Rudy H. was arrested the 9 december 2007 for "Volontary hit and wound with weapon". Let me also remind you that according to witnesses, when Rudy H. was wounded, he wasn't alone ( actually he was with around 20 jews ) and it was them who assaulted the muslims, it was the following of the theft of a scooter. And to finish Rudy H. is said to be close to Betar and "La ligue de defense juive" which for the last one is considered in USA and even in Israel as a terrorist organisation ( but strangely it is allowed in France )
So wait for the police enquiry and whatever the result everyone will have to bear his responsabilities.

AFAIK the event in which Rudy H was savagely attacked was the third of a series of events that started by a group of coloured attacking a young adult.

In the second event, two young Jews returned because one had lost his David star necklace. They were attacked with machetes or a butcher knife (undetermined).

The conclusion of the investigation on the third event in which Rudy was wounded is that a group of Jews was attacked by a much larger group of Blacks and Arabs. The Jews fled, and Rudy got caught in some one way street.

I am not making a community claim. If a gang of any type had done the same things to a poor Black or Arab guy, I would be saying the same and recommending deportation to the Kerguelen's as well...

This is not about race: it's about savagery.

[Bitogno]

Not a bad article about what happened ( even if not up to date ) :http://www.france24.com/en/20080624-rudy-ruddy-haddad-jew-antisemitism-gang-violence-paris-france&navi=FRANCE

[kahn267]

I understand where you are coming from and I sympathize (I lived in the San Sebastian in Basque Country and I‘m part Spanish/Colombian which means one hell of a childhood ;) ) but I was talking out of personal experience and while I am sure that these particular youngsters where just minding their own business, my cousin is currently engaged with a very nice Jewish guy and a few years back I went with them (when I was living in Spain) to South Florida. There I started talking to group of Jews (I didn‘t know they where orthodox) asking for direction and after a while we where just casually talking waiting for my cousin to pick me up. I guess I mentioned that my cousins boyfriend was Jewish since I didn’t see it as a big deal but as soon as she showed up they started harassing us and one guy even tried to scratch my cousins face. Once we left, we went to Sunny Isles city hall just a few blocks down and placed a complain. There the police officer told us that while such an act is not common around there, there have been other similar incidents.
That just goes to show you that people shouldn’t generalize and say that because it happens little, it doesn’t happen at all, and then go on to insinuate that because of that their culture is better than anything else. And yes, my cousin and her boyfriend are still together and he says he is even going to propose.


Well as far as I know I dont knwo anyone liek that in my community and the only people I could relate to that group would be those fanatical ulta ulta religious settler types in Israel.

Despite this, and I'm not trying to prove one religious group from the other, this would be one of the most extreme cases. Change the story if it was fanatical Muslim and perhaps the story would be much worse. Dont take what Im saying that I bleive my culture is better then others because I have been raised from my parents to my Rabbi (im not religious) to not think anything like that way.

My parents are immigrants to Australia and they hold the country higher then most fullblooded Australians.

I find it hard to understand the reason for what happened to you because there are still plenty of South American Jews, so it would have been because she is not Jewish not because of your race.

[Eztyga]

They need a few lessons in self-defence then...p-)

(Hey, the worlds gunna end in a couple of days, we may as well be lighthearted when it does ;-)

Ezy

[sikh_warrior]

Again I will have tell you, as you appear to be hard of understanding, its not just England where the Muslims live, and like their neighbors from India and Pakistan they live all over the United Kingdom.

And again you are taring all the Muslims with the same brush, the Muslims who carried out the terror attacks against the British (funny you used the word british when previous to this you used the word england, so you do know the difference) were obviously Muslim Fundamentalists.

You are the one being naive Dude if you think you can hide your obvious anti-Muslim sentiment in the wording of your posts.

Connaught Ranger.:)


i dont have to hide my anti-muslim/islam sentiments....my avtar says it all!

[Chimera]

i dont have to hide my anti-muslim/islam sentiments....my avtar says it all!

Interesting...

[m.i.t]

i dont have to hide my anti-muslim/islam sentiments....my avtar says it all!


Have you read the rules ?

"5. Don't use racism in any form including derogatory statements about the Islamic faith or any other faith. Likewise extended religious ranting will see you booted out the door."

[Chimera]

According to Le Point, the three jews were actually attacked by other young, all this for a "bet". It appears that one of the aggressor was of the jewish faith himself... They all knew eachother and live in the same area.

http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites/les-trois-jeunes-juifs-agresses-a-paris-auraient-ete-victimes-d/920/0/274085

Remind me the title of this thread?

[Nansouty]

Remind me the title of this thread?

Muslims attack Jews in Paris?

Excellent post, mate... when it comes to this kind of news in France, some medias and politicians are so quick to jump the gun. The fact that the assaulting mob was "multiracial" puts the lie to a lot of dramatizing description of life in French suburbs (though the 19ème Arrondissement hardly qualifies as a suburb ). Everything is not perfect here, but I still ahve to see the racial war some would imagine. rofl

[Lazy Lob]

Remind me the title of this thread?

Making yoghurt without cheesecloth......

[Bitogno]

And I would add that the currently 3 other people currently interogated by police are black and nowhere it is said that they are muslims.

[khukuri]

And I would add that the currently 3 other people currently interogated by police are black and nowhere it is said that they are muslims.

Just another quality post by calanen mate...

[timetraveller]

typical street gangs from areas ... haven a square go and just because both happen to be of different religions or not .. the press seems to make point of stating it in the press ... encouraging the Anti islamic tensions even more imo .

Streets gangs are common .. place in society

, If you look on the net you will find local gangs havin there own websites pics

And yet street gangs if your from the area you can join no matter what colour or religion ... you are ...

[Telmar]

I have to confess of having been quick on the keyboard.

Bravo Bitogno for taking a step back and Chimera for the news.

In half an hour, I will follow the French news on TV5. maybe there will be some more info on this.

Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa.

(though I still think murderous thugs of whatever confession should be sent to the Kerguelen islands...)

[Bitogno]

I have to confess of having been quick on the keyboard.

Bravo Bitogno for taking a step back and Chimera for the news.

In half an hour, I will follow the French news on TV5. maybe there will be some more info on this.

Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa.

(though I still think murderous thugs of whatever confession should be sent to the Kerguelen islands...)

Well, it is the third time such a story happen so I prefer to now wait until the enquiry to be finished. The point is I am pissed at so called "elites" such as politicians, pseudo-philospher, journalist and so on that instead of cooling down the thing ( and I mean by that, wait for the enquiry and if it's true there's anti-semitism we will punish the aggressors as they need to be ) they almost put oil on the fire. Every one is loosing in that kind of story, the jews are loosing credibility, non-jews start being pissed off at always being wrongly accused of being anti-semitic, French appears as anti-semitic baby eater people and the self called elites that they are guignols ( I don't know how to translate that ( clowns maybe ) ).

[Bitogno]

Just another quality post by calanen mate...
On his defense he relied on a Haaretz article.

[Chimera]

Everybody knows here that Calanen is not looking for any sort of truth but rather to convince himself of the profound evilness of Islam. Whatever it takes, even his credibility. He lives in world where things are either black or white.