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sikh_warrior
09-08-2008, 08:59 AM
Saudi Arabia debates birthday parties


AP
Published: September 05, 2008, 23:12
Riyadh: When Hala Al Masa'ad invited her girlfriends over to celebrate her 18th birthday with cake and juice, little did the high school student know that she was stepping into an unusual public debate. Is celebrating birthdays un-Islamic?

Saudi Arabia's most senior Muslim cleric recently denounced birthday parties as an unwanted foreign influence, but another prominent cleric declared they were OK.

That has left Al Masa'ad with mixed feelings about her low-key celebration last month. She says she loves birthday parties because they make her feel that she has "moved from one stage in life to another."

"But I sometimes feel I'm doing something 'haram' [banned]," she said sheepishly.


The Saudi ban on birthdays is in line with the strict interpretation of Islam followed by the conservative Wahhabi sect adhered to in the Kingdom. All Christian and even most Muslim feasts are also prohibited because they are considered alien customs that the Saudi clerics do not approve.

Elaborate

Only the Muslim feasts of Eid Al Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan, and Eid Al Adha, which concludes the annual pilgrimage to Makkah, are permitted.

Elsewhere in the Muslim world, though, including Egypt, the UAE, Lebanon and Iran, people routinely celebrate birthdays - especially for children. Among middle class and affluent families, parties can be elaborate, with cakes, toys, clowns, ponies and many presents. Interestingly, even in Saudi Arabia, it is not hard to find Saudis who celebrate birthdays or stores that cater to putting on parties, despite the ban.

The latest controversy started when a prominent Saudi Arabian cleric, Salman Al Audah, said on a popular satellite TV programme last month that it was OK to mark birthdays and wedding anniversaries with parties as long as the Arabic word "eid", meaning feast, is not used to describe the events.

That prompted a quick denunciation by Saudi Arabia's grand mufti and top religious authority, Shaikh Abdul Aziz Al Shaikh, who said such celebrations have no place in Islam and produced a list of foreign customs that he suggested were unacceptable.

One for 'every occasion'

"Christians have Mother's Day, an eid for trees and an eid for every occasion," said Al Shaikh, who also heads the Presidency for Scientific Research and Religious Edicts, told the Al Madina newspaper. "And on every birthday, candles are lit and food is given out."

There is no question that the television remarks by Al Audah, who is not employed by the country's religious establishment, contradicted several fatwas, or religious edicts, issued by senior Saudi clerics.

One such ruling, by the previous mufti, Shaikh Abdul Aziz Bin Baz, said Muslims should not emulate the West by celebrating birthdays. Still, some Saudis welcomed a loosening of the prohibition.

"Allowing such celebrations can be an element that can strengthen ties among people and contribute to an increase in the happy occasions in our society," wrote Ebrahim Bu Dawood in Al Eqtisadiah newspaper.

http://www.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi_arabia/10242845.html

Mu-Meson
09-08-2008, 10:20 AM
I read a similar article somewhere, and it quoted some hardline Imam saying (and I paraphrase) "these parties are an innovation, and Islam doesn't need any innovations". I thought that was particularly illustrative of Saudi Arabia.

el borracho
09-08-2008, 11:46 AM
When I was at DLI my teachers (a handful of Egyptians and Palestinians) told us that birthday celebrations weren't part of Arab culture. There was nothing haram about it, it just wasn't something they did. I can see how extreme religious adherents would twist this as another invasion of western culture but hopefully common sense prevails and they can understand that these celebrations are no threat to Islam. I know that's asking a lot :roll:.

PVJ
09-08-2008, 11:53 AM
Damn westerners, always celebrating and having parties like a bunch of sissy's.

sikh_warrior
09-08-2008, 12:11 PM
does it apply to all sunni/shia slims or limited to Arabs heritage/origin?

PanzerMaster
09-09-2008, 03:02 AM
Damn westerners, always celebrating and having parties like a bunch of sissy's.

Yeah, better to make noise until 23:00 for Ramadam celebration! (man... my friends' house is directly above the courtyard of a mosque... yesterday night was a continuos endless moanings in arabic)

Northern Italy, 1429 AH

PeterRJG
09-09-2008, 03:17 AM
This is a Salafist/Wahhabist interpretation, and not even a universal one at that.

From that article.


"Christians have Mother's Day, an eid for trees and an eid for every occasion," said Al Shaikh, who also heads the Presidency for Scientific Research and Religious Edicts, told the Al Madina newspaper. "And on every birthday, candles are lit and food is given out."

Oh no, whatever will we do! Candles being lit and food given out! By the beard of the Prophet, this infidel dog influence needs to end!

SOG
09-09-2008, 05:30 PM
I don't debate parties, I debate birthdays. We need less of them and less people. Stop ****ing women, start ****ing boys. Problem solved. Oh wait, they already do that...

One?
09-09-2008, 09:59 PM
so celebrating the birth Prophet Mohamad's is now forbidden?

a bunch of backward retards. they are probably banning because of the amount of money that gets wasted on these parties. rich princes and families spend thousands of dollars hosting these parties.

PeterRJG
09-09-2008, 10:02 PM
so celebrating the birth Prophet Mohamad's is now forbidden?

a bunch of backward retards. they are probably banning because of the amount of money that gets wasted on these parties. rich princes and families spend thousands of dollars hosting these parties.

I thought celebrating Muhammad's birthday was forbidden in Saudi Arabia. Don't they (the Wahhabis) see that as shirk?

VEVAK
09-09-2008, 10:30 PM
does it apply to all sunni/shia slims or limited to Arabs heritage/origin?

It seems to be only some Arabs especially Wahabis.

In Iran, they have public holidays and celebrations for birth of Imam Ali, Imam Mahdi, Imam Jafar, and Mohammad and birthday parties are regular, especially for the young.

One?
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
I thought celebrating Muhammad's birthday was forbidden in Saudi Arabia. Don't they (the Wahhabis) see that as shirk?


A quick search on the internet confirms what your comment....Muslims in every country around the world celebrate mothers day, birthdays etc...

ColinP
09-09-2008, 11:41 PM
Saudi Arabia, the land that fun forgot. One day I wish every non Saudi would sneak out of the country without notice and let them run it for themselves.

IraGlacialis
09-09-2008, 11:44 PM
The Jehovah Witnesses here are just as bad in this particular sense.
Schools in my town can no longer have birthday parties so as not to offend them.

D4ark
09-13-2008, 07:43 AM
A quick search on the internet confirms what your comment....Muslims in every country around the world celebrate mothers day, birthdays etc...
So True.
I have relatives in Saud Arabia and they also celebrate birthdays.But for me after i got 7 years old it all went down to just chocolate cake coz my mother said "u r too old now"p-)