Iranian parliament limits men's polygamy rights

[sikh_warrior]

Iranian parliament limits men's polygamy rights



TEHRAN - The legal commission of the Iranian parliament has limited the rights of men to polygamy but the new bill has still to be approved by the country's legislative power, ISNA news agency reported Monday.

The spokesman of the parliamentary legal commission said that the new law would only allow men to marry a second wife after getting the approval of the first wife.
Amin-Hossein Rahimi added that exceptions would only be made if the first wife left the marriage or was sentenced to a long prison term.
Under the previous law, a man could marry a second wife without the approval of his first wife.
The new bill has to be approved by both the parliament and the Guardian Council, a body in charge of checking the compatibility of parliamentary bills with Islamic laws.
The new bill, if approved, could be considered a victory for women. Women activists believe that no wife would voluntarily agree to a husband's second marriage.
Polygamy has dramatically decreased in Iran in recent years, especially in urban areas, although according to Islamic laws, men can have four wives at the same time.
One reason for the decline is the more powerful status of women in the family and also because many men can no longer afford to keep more than one wife.
Many women's rights activists consider polygamy a form of prostitution but Muslim scholars argue that for example widows with no income would enjoy more respect in Iranian society as second wives rather than as single women.
http://khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle08.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2008/September/middleeast_September138.xml&section=middleeast

[VEVAK]

Polygamy is and should be illegal.

[PanzerMaster]

Polygamy is and should be illegal.

Yes, but then how you create the mass of single desperate male to use a cannon fodder?

From primitive tribe still around the world, to warrior culture of the past (and present: Islam is a religion built around a warrior mindset).

Too bad people still talk about women's rights and conditions in a polygamy but no one talk about the "surplus males".

[Jaeger07]

Too bad people still talk about women's rights and conditions in a polygamy but no one talk about the "surplus males".

You would'nt happen to be one og those "surplus males" now would you?

:grin:

[PanzerMaster]

You would'nt happen to be one og those "surplus males" now would you?

:grin:

I am already a "surplus male" in a non-polygamist society... I don't want even think what I wold be in a polygamistic one... p-)

[LEB101]

Polygamy is and should be illegal.
who are you to say that its legal for over 1 billion muslims

[citizen soldier]

who are you to say that its legal for over 1 billion muslims


While I am far from pro-Iranian and definitely against polygamy, it IS their country. From having been in Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar myself, I realize that this part of the world is just different. Not my choice of a way to live, but oh well.

[PanzerMaster]

While I am far from pro-Iranian and definitely against polygamy, it IS their country. From having been in Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar myself, I realize that this part of the world is just different. Not my choice of a way to live, but oh well.

But "their choice" (or best, the choice of who have power: riches and clergy) contribute to creates societes full of inequality and hatred, this last then directed against us Westerners.

BTW, also without the hate problems against us, universal human rights (that are so trample under Sharia law) are an absolute value disregarding culture, traditions and religions... just because there are 1 billions of them that do something, this thig is not automatically right*.

My 2 Cent

*It remembers me a joke:
"People, eat shxt! Billions of flies cannot be all wrong together!"

[citizen soldier]

But "their choice" (or best, the choice of who have power: riches and clergy) contribute to creates societes full of inequality and hatred, this last then directed against us Westerners.

BTW, also without the hate problems against us, universal human rights (that are so trample under Sharia law) are an absolute value disregarding culture, traditions and religions... just because there are 1 billions of them that do something, this thig is not automatically right*.

My 2 Cent

*It remembers me a joke:
"People, eat shxt! Billions of flies cannot be all wrong together!"

I agree it is not right to you and me. That said, I have only so much energy and time to invest in fixing the rest of the world. They are slowly westerniing anyway. Satelite TV is infusing their kids with western culture and all that goes with it for good or ill. Just need patience in the long term and ammo in the short.

[sikh_warrior]

[quote=Just need patience in the long term and ammo in the short.[/quote]

i feel like making it my one liner!

nice one dude.

[Olegi]

who are you to say that its legal for over 1 billion muslims

It is illegal, but practice in the west. I like muslims have natural things legal in this matter:)

[citizen soldier]

[quote=Just need patience in the long term and ammo in the short.[/quote]

i feel like making it my one liner!

nice one dude.

By all means use it!

[Gunbird]

I see nothing wrong with Polygamy if everyone is consenting, so this is a law I can get behind.

It makes consent a requirement, the way it should be.

[Laworkerbee]

While I am far from pro-Iranian and definitely against polygamy, it IS their country. From having been in Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar myself, I realize that this part of the world is just different. Not my choice of a way to live, but oh well.

I like you.

[PanzerMaster]

I agree it is not right to you and me. That said, I have only so much energy and time to invest in fixing the rest of the world. They are slowly westerniing anyway. Satelite TV is infusing their kids with western culture and all that goes with it for good or ill. Just need patience in the long term and ammo in the short.

Dude, you are my Sensei! p-)


I see nothing wrong with Polygamy if everyone is consenting, so this is a law I can get behind.

It makes consent a requirement, the way it should be.

Riches man will consent, a new fresh 12years old wife is more refreshing than ice tea in the summer striken desert, and they have a lot of desert at that latitude p-)

Women will consent, better to stay with a wealthy old dirty man than with a hot mediorental stallion with no money... oh SNAP... women don't have right or power of decision down in Sharialand, nevermind. They will be sold by their father trying to improve the family condition (that's why there is honor killing: kill the girl no more virgin because she is devalued as currency)

Poor men will consent because someone is telling them that they can blow up some western infidel and get 72 virgins as wives, and without polygamy...well... you cannot have 72 virgins, don't you?

PanzerMaster will not consent because while trying desperately (he is a surplus male, don't u remember?) to catch a girl all for him in a monogamic Nation, he will be blow up by a MBIED (Mule Borne Improved Explosive Device) driven by Mohammed "I blow your @ss" Ali in search of his celestial Harem. And the last thing PanzerMaster want is to spend eternity together with Jihad Joe while running away from 72 Demon Satyrs deep in the gut of Hell.

So, in short word. Say no to polygamy!

[Gunbird]

No, I won't say no to Polygamy.

Those things happen just as much in monogamous relationships as they do polygamous, and we aren't saying no to monogamous marriage are we? Your argument kills itself simply because it's based entirely on AMOUNTS, even though you don't realize it.

Nothing you mentioned is exclusive to polygamy, therefore they are irrelevent as criticisms of polygamy.

In that region, old dirty men marry 12 year olds in monogamous relationships as well.

[LEB101]

i have a freind in a neiboring town who has 2 wives and each one has her own story in the house and hes got a big house by the way

[VEVAK]

who are you to say that its legal for over 1 billion muslims

I said it should be illegal, not legal... If you Lebanese want to have 10 wives, go ahead, I dont care. In Iran, polygamy is very rare, but it should become illegal so no one even tries it.

[PeterRJG]

In that region, old dirty men marry 12 year olds in monogamous relationships as well.

At least there's consensus that they're dirty old men.

[Kilgor]

one wife would be bad enough...

[One?]

There are several reasons why males are allowed to marry more than 1 in Islam. One of many is to prevent adultery. The approval of the first wife is a must. The male has to be just and since most people cannot be just they cannot marry multiple wives according to the religion yet some still do.

Talking about women's rights....so are women getting their rights when they get married and their husband goes around and screws other girls ?

[PeterRJG]

There are several reasons why males are allowed to marry more than 1 in Islam. One of many is to prevent adultery. The approval of the first wife is a must. The male has to be just and since most people cannot be just they cannot marry multiple wives according to the religion yet some still do.

Talking about women's rights....so are women getting their rights when they get married and their husband goes around and screws other girls ?

Marry more than one woman to prevent adultery. Nope, doesn't compute. The only thing that'll prevent adultery with any individual is for them to exercise restraint and keep their *** organ to themselves.

No religious mumbo jumbo will prevent jack squat.

What you're describing comes across as an excuse that caters for morally and ethically weak people.

[Laworkerbee]

There are several reasons why males are allowed to marry more than 1 in Islam. One of many is to prevent adultery. The approval of the first wife is a must. The male has to be just and since most people cannot be just they cannot marry multiple wives according to the religion yet some still do.

Who passes judgment on to whom is just?

[One?]

Marry more than one woman to prevent adultery. Nope, doesn't compute. The only thing that'll prevent adultery with any individual is for them to exercise restraint and keep their *** organ to themselves.

No religious mumbo jumbo will prevent jack squat.

What you're describing comes across as an excuse that caters for morally and ethically weak people.

You can never rid the world of adultery. So instead of sleeping with a woman, and then getting rid of her now you can marry her (legally) and she will have rights on you.

Adultery is one reason for polygamy, there are a whole bunch of others that have to do with the number of women exceeding that of men. Men used to die in wars and they leave behind widows and children. Someone else must take care of them. If the wife is infertile and you want kids, instead of a divorce you can marry a second wife etc....There are reasons besides ***. But in the end the cleric who is marrying those people should get the approval of the other wife. Just because you can doesn't mean everyone does it. Most people abuse it that's for sure.

[PeterRJG]

BS.

Adultery is powered by two things. 1. Lack of trust. 2. Lust.

[VEVAK]

You can never rid the world of adultery. So instead of sleeping with a woman, and then getting rid of her now you can marry her (legally) and she will have rights on you.

Adultery is one reason for polygamy, there are a whole bunch of others that have to do with the number of women exceeding that of men. Men used to die in wars and they leave behind widows and children. Someone else must take care of them. If the wife is infertile and you want kids, instead of a divorce you can marry a second wife etc....There are reasons besides ***. But in the end the cleric who is marrying those people should get the approval of the other wife. Just because you can doesn't mean everyone does it. Most people abuse it that's for sure.

If you are not happy with your wife, you get a divorce. If she is infertile, you adopt a kid. Getting married is not a simple thing, its not like making friends, thats why you need to think about your marriage and see if you can live the rest of your life with that person; and if something goes wrong during your marriage, then you get a divorce. You dont need multiple wives to pleasure you. If you don't like one single woman, then don't get married, stay single and stay free.

[Rictor]

Geez! It's always the same old party-poopers ruining everyone's fun. I was going to take my vacation in Iran, but now it seems I'll have to go somewhere a bit less prudish...say Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

[PanzerMaster]

i have a freind in a neiboring town who has 2 wives and each one has her own story in the house and hes got a big house by the way

In the case you cannot find a wife for yourself... you have a target at least p-)

[LEB101]

There are several reasons why males are allowed to marry more than 1 in Islam. One of many is to prevent adultery. The approval of the first wife is a must. The male has to be just and since most people cannot be just they cannot marry multiple wives according to the religion yet some still do.

Talking about women's rights....so are women getting their rights when they get married and their husband goes around and screws other girls ?
at least if he screws the other one shes still his wife .not like in america when he marries one then screws her sister and ever other girl in town

[LEB101]

In the case you cannot find a wife for yourself... you have a target at least p-)
no thank you they are two nasty looking women

[brainplay]

Polygamy is and should be illegal.

Why?

PanzerMaster gave a nice view of it in the extreme sharia sense. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

I taught english to a guy in Spain who had 3 wives. Everytime I had dinner at their place it was tough to see who wore the pants in the family. They were being westernized and their kids were hands down westernized. We had some great conversations which included his wives.

I find it ironic that western society is more than comfortable with multiple girlfriends, cheating, and *** but go completely bonkers when it comes to polygamy.

[VEVAK]

Why?

PanzerMaster gave a nice view of it in the extreme sharia sense. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

I taught english to a guy in Spain who had 3 wives. Everytime I had dinner at their place it was tough to see who wore the pants in the family. They were being westernized and their kids were hands down westernized. We had some great conversations which included his wives.

I find it ironic that western society is more than comfortable with multiple girlfriends, cheating, and *** but go completely bonkers when it comes to polygamy.

Polygamy is not needed, and its medival. A man having more than one wife ? Wife is supposed to be one person who you care about and love. Do you know hard would it be for a man to take care of multiple wives ? Men already have trouble with one, now imagine multiple. And another thing is, most of the time polygamy is kept secret, so the wives (or at least one of them) don't know their husband is married to another woman, what do you think the woman will feel like if she found out her husband was also married to another woman ? I'm sure a woman would rather you cheat on her once, then being secretly married to another woman and cheating on here every second. And multiple girlfriends is not a problem, as long as you don't get married, friends are friends, but wife is a wife, having wi"ves" is not right, thats why polygamy should be illegal. In Iran, woman do have rights, sure, there are some things like hejab that you have to wear, or women count for half of men in th court of law, but otherwise, woman vote, drive, work, have business, and don't even wear the full hejab. And there is this whole "women rights" thing going on, do you think women prefer polygamy ? Obviously, the majority don't.

[brainplay]

Going to play a little devils advocate here. p-)


Polygamy is not needed, and its medival.

At this day an age marriage in general can be claimed as "not needed". You'll need to do better than that.


A man having more than one wife ? Wife is supposed to be one person who you care about and love.

So a man can't love two wives at the same time? Why not? Remember these are wives not girlfriends with who to cheat like so many men do now.


Do you know hard would it be for a man to take care of multiple wives ? Men already have trouble with one, now imagine multiple.

Afraid not, not a polygamist here nor am I interested in doing it. However, without anything to say why it would be so much trouble I can't see your point. Financial is going to be an issue...unless they also work. Yes, 2 or 3 nagging you while trying to watch a game would probably be a big headache.


And another thing is, most of the time polygamy is kept secret, so the wives (or at least one of them) don't know their husband is married to another woman, what do you think the woman will feel like if she found out her husband was also married to another woman ? I'm sure a woman would rather you cheat on her once, then being secretly married to another woman and cheating on here every second.

Polygamy is done in secret because its ILLEGAL in most countries. Change the legality and work your arguement from there. Oh and most women aren't very forgiving when you cheat on them either way. Heck you might get run over for it.


And multiple girlfriends is not a problem, as long as you don't get married, friends are friends, but wife is a wife, having wi"ves" is not right, thats why polygamy should be illegal.

Whoa there nelly! Whats the difference between multiple girlfriends and multiple wives? Do the girlfriends know about each other? Usually not. Usually when they find out they also tend to become a bit crazy, and not in a good way.


In Iran, woman do have rights, sure, there are some things like hejab that you have to wear, or women count for half of men in th court of law, but otherwise, woman vote, drive, work, have business, and don't even wear the full hejab. And there is this whole "women rights" thing going on, do you think women prefer polygamy ? Obviously, the majority don't.

Assuming that the whole "arranged marriages" thing is completely killed off or secret compounds where they brainwash the ladies then I can't understand your arguement. Women's rights would play into this because its the women who would have to consent to being in a polygamous marriage. They can't be forced into it. Just like women preferring to wear hijab or not. It would be their choice.


Anyone else want to make an arguement?

[PanzerMaster]

Why?

PanzerMaster gave a nice view of it in the extreme sharia sense. But it doesn't really work that way does it?

I taught english to a guy in Spain who had 3 wives. Everytime I had dinner at their place it was tough to see who wore the pants in the family. They were being westernized and their kids were hands down westernized. We had some great conversations which included his wives.

I find it ironic that western society is more than comfortable with multiple girlfriends, cheating, and *** but go completely bonkers when it comes to polygamy.

Again I continue to hear the same reasoning... e.g. from the point of view of the women.

Do anyone ever try to think "socially-strategically"?
Mates. Let's forget for one time the polygamist family, and focus on the rest of the society: the single, angry, hopeless males... millions of them... living in semi or full authoritarian states, following a religion constructed (in pre-medieval times when it had sense) around war (Islam, and whoever think different is an idiot in denial).