Iran's asking for trouble

[SeanAshi]

"Preliminary Registration for Martyrdom Operations" application from the Islamic Republic of Iran for position of "martyr".
In the Name of God

Preliminary Registration for Martyrdom Operations

I _____________, child of _____________, born 13_______ (Islamic calendar), the City of: _________________

proclaim my preparedness for carrying out martyrdom operations:

___ against the occupiers of the holy sites (referring to Najaf, Karbala, and other places in Iraq.)

___ against the occupiers of (Jerusalem)

___ for carrying out the death sentence of the infidel Salman Rushdie

Also, I would like to become an active member of the Army of Martyrs of the International Islamic Movement. yes ____, No _____

Contact telephone:

Applicant's address:

Applicant's signature:

Iran has registered at least 10,000 young volunteers for "martyrdom operations," against US forces in Iraq and Israel, according to the recruitment group, the Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1086663086528

[Maverick77]

no suprise

[One?]

As if it can't be faked.

[OB Kenobi]

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Just another case of Israeli propaganda.

Ever wonder who came up with some of that Iraq WMD "evidence"?

You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.

[ShotOver]

Tell that to the kurds, ****head.

[OB Kenobi]

Tell that to the kurds, ****head.

I'm not denying the Kurds were also involved. But why ****head? Is it because I said something about "God's chosen people" again?


One of Britain's leading experts, Dr Richard Aldrich, says as much as 70 per cent of MI6's intelligence comes from the US. Some of this comes from Israel's Mossad, which has close links with the CIA. "I think few people realise how much of our intelligence comes from the US," he added.

http://www.rense.com/general38/wwmd.htm


Instead of going through the traditional channels to collect intelligence, the OSPers relied on shady Iraqi dissidents and an "ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office" that specifically bypassed "Mossad and provide[d] the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorize," according to Julian Borger of the Guardian. Apparently, Mossad's "professionalism" was a stumbling block for Shulsky and the neocons.

http://progressivetrail.org/articles/040126Nimmo.shtml


Israel was a "full partner" in the intelligence failures that led to the conclusion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction before the US-led invasion, according to a report by an Israeli think-tank.

The findings will re-ignite the speculation over whether Israel was the "third country" that supplied intelligence used in Tony Blair's Iraq dossier, claiming Iraq had tried to get "significant quantities of uranium from Africa".

http://middleeastinfo.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=931

Bu$h, Sharon and Bliar are all busted! Everyone who helped convince America to allow this failed petroleum crusade are all going to pay for their crimes.

[ShotOver]

Instructions to be a better person, take note OB Kenobi

#1 Take your swollen head out of your arse
#2 Open your eyes
#3 Realise Saddam had WMD and they are STILL in Iraq
#4 If he didnt have WMD, what killed the kurds? Flour?

Stop blaiming the Israeli people for things, the Mossad do a great job, they are good at what they do, becuase they have been doing it for a long, long time.

Let me guess, your... European right?

[AirZone]

Well but of course we did it... but of course we planned the terrorist act in saudi arbia :roll:

some times it really frights me how stupid people can be..

[usa320]

**** Iran.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

rofl
OMG that's lame. As if somebody's going to be stupid enough to compile a nice clean list of names, phone numbers and addresses. You have to be kidding me. All it's missing is a check box for "would you like your virgins in paradise to be demure or sexy and unclean succubi?"

I'm sure all 10,000 forms are filed in an enormous red file cabinet with a label "TERRORIST LIST, UN DO NOT LOOK IN HERE".

But Kenobi - posting links to sites with blatant political agendas isn't really good enough. You can have your opinion (wrong as it is), but at least prop it up with something besides this nutball junk. It's every bit as goofy as this fake terrorist signup sheet.

[Moledet]

Israel as early as 1996 said that Iraq has no WMDs. So please, STFU about Israel reporting US false intel.

[OB Kenobi]

Instructions to be a better person, take note OB Kenobi


Ok professor.



#1 Take your swollen head out of your arse
#2 Open your eyes


My, my what anger. Are you an Israeli by any chance? I'm guessing more likely a rabid Bu$h supporter.



#3 Realise Saddam had WMD and they are STILL in Iraq


I'll believe it when I see it. If the US-supplied WMD are still there, they've sure managed to do a good job of hiding them! Surely one of Saddam's enemies, or sodomized prisoners at Abu Ghraib would have talked by now?

Maybe the weapons were destroyed. Maybe after 10 years most of them became inert, as many of them tend to do. Maybe Saddam really was following UN instructions but Bu$h, Sharon, Bliar, and Berlusconi made sure no one would know?

Why did Bu$h pull the inspectors out prematurely? He said there was an imminent threat. Where is the imminent threat?

That claim about the imminent threat was made based in part on MOSSAD "intel".



#4 If he didnt have WMD, what killed the kurds? Flour?


Donald Rumsfeld and Bu$h-Raygun when they gave Saddam his WMD equipment:

http://static.userland.com/sh4/images/booknotes/rumsfeldsaddam.jpg



Stop blaiming the Israeli people for things, the Mossad do a great job, they are good at what they do, becuase they have been doing it for a long, long time.


Heheh, doesn't disprove anything, does it? Is it good to fake WMD evidence, to misrepresent the intentions of someone so that you can start a phony war?


Let me guess, your... European right?

No I am not European. I will not reveal what I am so that you can attempt to hold it against me, no matter what it happens to be. But let's just say I'm not any one thing specifically, so I don't feel any particular allegiance to any one race, culture, or nation.

I live in NYC, USA, if you must know. I saw the WTC go down, and it made me wonder how something like that could happen, and what a real solution might be.

The conclusion I have come to is that we must not allow any religious groups to dictate our political and military decisions. Religion must be shown to be what it really is: mythology, then the terrorists and the crooks won't have any excuse left... Israel won't have any excuse left either.

So keep on lying, pray to your false gods, commit suicide over a lie, I have only pity for you, and if you threaten me with your lies, I'll kill you myself!

[Falco]

**** storm coming up, my spider senses are tingling

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**** storm coming up, my spider senses are tingling

I agree

Not to be a **** starter here but the WMD wasnt also from Britian intel community also? (I was under the assumption they were all pretty much working together / info sharing on intel about the WMD pre-war....)

[Secret Squirrel]

**** storm coming up, my spider senses are tingling

I agree

Not to be a **** starter here but the WMD wasnt also from Britian intel community also? (I was under the assumption they were all pretty much working together / info sharing on intel about the WMD pre-war....)

the exhiled Iraqi was on Bush's payroll, not Britain...and he was one of the major sources for the WMD claim.

[SeanAshi]

Israel as early as 1996 said that Iraq has no WMDs. So please, STFU about Israel reporting US false intel.Hey come on now...Shaul Mofaz was convinced that Iraq had wmd.
Just another case of Israeli propaganda.
OB Kenobi is the fact that Hezbollah and Iran are sworn to the destruction of Israel or is that just propaganda?
You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.Better put a pot of coffe on.... :D

[OB Kenobi]

Israel as early as 1996 said that Iraq has no WMDs. So please, STFU about Israel reporting US false intel.Hey come on now...Shaul Mofaz was convinced that Iraq had wmd.
Just another case of Israeli propaganda.
OB Kenobi is the fact that Hezbollah and Iran are sworn to the destruction of Israel or is that just propaganda?
You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.Better put a pot of coffe on.... :D

Iran and Hezbollah are not an excuse for MOSSAD to provide false evidence to bolster Bu$h's case for the Iraq war. Israel is just as guilty and Bu$h, Bliar, the Kurds, Shiites and Saddam's Baathist rivals, and it's time to stop making excuses for them.

I don't believe the argument that Bu$h is a complete idiot and didn't forsee any of this. He knew as Bliar and Sharon knew that Iraq's WMD was 98% destroyed and they pushed the invasion anyway, for many reasons, none of them very good ones.

If Israel is afraid of terrorism, then it can ask for international protection, rather than continue to pretend it is the "holy land." Israel's claims to holiness is what pisses the Arabs off in the first place.

[Moledet]

Israel as early as 1996 said that Iraq has no WMDs. So please, STFU about Israel reporting US false intel.Hey come on now...Shaul Mofaz was convinced that Iraq had wmd.
Just another case of Israeli propaganda.
OB Kenobi is the fact that Hezbollah and Iran are sworn to the destruction of Israel or is that just propaganda?
You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.Better put a pot of coffe on.... :D

If Israel is afraid of terrorism, then it can ask for international protection, rather than continue to pretend it is the "holy land." Israel's claims to holiness is what pisses the Arabs off in the first place.
International help? LOL. UN only brought us disasters. They shoot light bombs on police officers and soldiers that ambush drug dealers and weapons smugglers that try to enter Israel's territory. They help the terrorists by shooting smoke bombs and light bombs on Israeli compounds, they don't report nor remove explosives that are being put by Hizbullaha near the boarder so Israeli vehicled will be hit by them when they will drive in the patrol road and they helped the Hizbullaha to kidnap three Israeli soldiers. International "aid" will just bring us more idiots like the ones that are sitting in the Golan hights.

The Arabs are pissed off on the fact that they lost every war with Israel, that's something that they can't understand how one of the smallest countries in the middle east beat them again and again.
They also suffer from a lot of antisemitic propoganda.

P.S. If you are a UN observer I guess that you are from Pakistan (and I think that i'm right)

[gilgoul]

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Just another case of Israeli propaganda.

Ever wonder who came up with some of that Iraq WMD "evidence"?

You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.

ou are so FUNNY I could laugh to death, by the way mister "i-hate-the-jews-cause-i-hear-their-voice-in-my-head-and-they-control-the-wolrd-", nobody forces you to listen to what we in Israel say or believe.
it`s so funny to see people so full of ****.

[2RHPZ]

THE IRANIAN HERESY

By AMIR TAHERI

June 1, 2004 -- RECENT actions by Tehran have led to questions about whether
Iran was trying to play the Shiite card in Iraq's post-Saddam power game.
Tehran's state-controlled media have launched a campaign to incite Shiites in
Bahrain against the kingdom's reform process. And Iran has ordered its clients,
notably the Iraqi branch of Hezbollah, to step up disruptive activities to make
the transition from occupation to Iraqi sovereignty as difficult as possible.

All this has led to suspicions against Shiites in several Arab countries. That
is unfortunate.

The present Iranian regime is based on the ideology of Khomeinism - which is as
far removed from Shiism as it is from other mainstream "ways" of Islam.

The first victims of that ideology have been Shiites. The Khomeinists have
executed over 100,000 Iranians, mostly Shiites. They also caused the deaths of
almost a million other Shiites in the eight-year long Iran-Iraq war. Over 3.5
million Iranians, most of them Shiites, have gone into exile.

That ideology has also divided Shiite communities everywhere.

When Khomeinism arrived in Lebanon for the first time in 1980, it immediately
set out to destroy Amal, the united political movement of the Shiites. Having
failed to do so, it created the Hezbollah as a rival to Amal.

By the 1990s, the Lebanese Hezbollah was showing some independence. Its
religious leader, Sayyed Muhamad-Hussein Fadhlallah, refused to recognize the
Iranian "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenei as "the leader of all Muslims" as is
claimed in the Khomeinist Constitution.

Tehran's response came in the form of support for splinter groups within
Hezbollah. In a recent speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Iran's
Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said that Tehran did not "limit its alliances in
Lebanon" to the Hezbollah.

In Iraq, Tehran's policy over the past decade has aimed at splitting the Shiite
community. Now Tehran is working hard to prevent a unified Iraqi Shiite front
backed by the seminary at Najaf. The three-way split in the Dawa party was
partly due to Iranian intrigues. And right now Iranian elements are working hard
to split the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

It's no mystery that the shenanigans of Muqtada al-Sadr have been largely
financed and encouraged by Tehran.

The Khomeinists were also responsible for splitting the Shiite community in
Afghanistan. They backed the Shoeleh-Javid (Eternal Flame) group, a Maoist
outfit whose members were of Shiite birth, against the Hazara Shiite
establishment. During the communist rule in Kabul, the Khomeinists prevented the
Hazara from fighting the Soviet occupation.

And when the Taliban started massacring the Hazara Shiites, Tehran did nothing
but issue empty threats.

Nowhere has the divergence between Shiism and Khomeinism been more clearly
manifested than in Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan is a majority Shiite country that won its independence after the
disintegration of the Soviet Empire a decade ago. Yet for the past 10 years
Tehran has backed Christian Armenia against Shiite Azerbaijan in the conflict
over the enclave of Karabach.

Iran provided logistical support for the Armenian force that invaded and
conquered Karabach and has been holding it since 1992. The trucks that drove
Karabach's 80,000 Shiite Azeris out of their homes, in a little reported
instance of ethnic-cleansing, were provided by Iran.

Everywhere, the Khomeinist aim is that Shiites should not be able to unite and
act in their interests without receiving orders from Tehran. They should always
remain divided and dependent on Tehran.

Although Khomeinism uses part of the Shiite mythology, religious vocabulary and
iconography, it must be treated as a distinct doctrine with specific
characteristics.

The key slogans of Khomeinism make this clear.

Everywhere in Iran one sees giant slogans reading: God, Quran, Khomeini!

Or: Allah Akbar, Khomeini Rahbar (God is the Greatest, Khomeini is the Leader!)

Inspired by North Korean and Maoist models, images of Khomeini have been carved
in mountains or grown as mini-forests, visible even from the skies - a cult of
personality bordering on idolatry.

Under the new Iranian school curriculum, the study of Khomeini's life and
thoughts receives as much time (two hours per week) as the study of the Koran.
The official Iranian calendar includes 26 days that are associated with Khomeini
while the Prophet Muhammad gets only two days. Khomeini's tomb has been turned
into a shrine.

In Iranian Shiism, the title of Imam is exclusive to Ali Ibn Abi-Talib, the
Prophet's cousin and son-in-law, and 11 of his male descendants. In Khomeinism,
however, the late ayatollah bears the title of Imam.

The Islamic Republic Constitution gives the "Supreme Guide" the power to suspend
even the basic rules of Islam if he so wishes. And that, of course, is as
abhorrent to Shiites as to other Muslims.

There are more Shiite clerics and students of theology in prison in Iran than at
any other time in history. Khomeinism has also driven thousands of Iranian
Shiite theologians into exile.

In short, Khomeinism is a cocktail in which Shiism is an accidental ingredient.
Similar ideologies have developed in non-Muslim cultures in the developing
countries. Its basic ingredient is a hatred of the West, especially the United
States. It is also influenced by Marxism, especially with such ideas as thought
control, single-party rule and the command of the economy by the state.

Some Shiites have adopted Khomeinism as their ideology. Hundreds have moved to
Iran and taken up Iranian nationality. But there is no evidence that Khomeinism
is supported by the broader Shiite communities in the Arab countries or
elsewhere in the Muslim world.

Here is what Sabah Zangeneh, Iran's former Ambassador to the Organization of
Islamic Conference had to say in Kuwait last week: "As far as matters of
religion are concerned, the ulema of Najaf, especially Grand Ayatollah Ali-Muhammad
Sistani, may have more influence in Iran today than Iranian mara'je [religious
leaders] may have in Iraq."

The Arab governments would be wrong to equate Khomeinism with Shiism.

Amir Taheri is reachable via www.benadorassociates.com.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/o...nists/24992.htm

[Zoomie]

Run OB........they're out to get you............they're coming!

[SOG]

"would you like your virgins in paradise to be demure or sexy and unclean succubi?"

unclean succubi! they finally took my advice! i better be seeing some action from your half asian/rob zombie chic ass, mocking loudly!

[wiking]

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Just another case of Israeli propaganda.

Ever wonder who came up with some of that Iraq WMD "evidence"?

You Israelis are going to have alot of 'splaining to do eventually.

ou are so FUNNY I could laugh to death, by the way mister "i-hate-the-jews-cause-i-hear-their-voice-in-my-head-and-they-control-the-wolrd-", nobody forces you to listen to what we in Israel say or believe.
it`s so funny to see people so full of ****.

Wow you are bloody paranoid aren't you. the yanks really created the "everybody hates us paranoia" but it seems you've taken it a bit further mate. I just can't see how you can get that he hates jews from that.
He is commenting on the thread but it seems that since he disagrees he shouldn't be allowed to post a bloody reply according to you.
If only people who were agreeing on everything posted here this place REALLY wouldn't be any fun to post at.
Talk about seeing rasists at every bloody corner, it's actually a bit sad really. (i wonder what you're gonna call me now)

[chauncy republicans]

You anti-semite dog!!! :P

[Laworkerbee]

I think it's a great idea for Iran to put this list together

Then the NSA can steal it, and wallah instant additions to the terror database, anyone who filled out that form can disappear into a black hole in Cuba for all I care.

good riddance!

[SeanAshi]

Iran and Hezbollah are not an excuse for MOSSAD to provide false evidence to bolster Bu$h's case for the Iraq war.
OB Kenobi you didn't answer my question. What is one thing that Iran and Hezbollah have in common?

f*** Iran.

:cantbeli: stupid asshole :roll:

[OB Kenobi]

Iran and Hezbollah are not an excuse for MOSSAD to provide false evidence to bolster Bu$h's case for the Iraq war.
OB Kenobi you didn't answer my question. What is one thing that Iran and Hezbollah have in common?

What, that they want to destroy Israel? I think that is within their right to want something like this, after the way you've been treating them? I mean, WW2 is over, the Arabs are all screwed up, you seize your chance to invade, riding on that wave of sympathy after the Holocaust. Why should you be "given" the territory if it was already occuppied? Did God say so?

**** your God!

When Israel was about to be resurrected from the depths of hell, the choice was between the historical territory of Israel in the middle-east, or barely occuppied land in Africa. The Zionists insisted on the middle-east, FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. Jews could have had no problems right now living in Africa if they wanted their own nation and nothing more, but what they are after IS something more, they, like the Muslims are fighting a religious war.

[S'13]

What, that they want to destroy Israel? I think that is within their right to want something like this, after the way you've been treating them? I mean, WW2 is over, the Arabs are all screwed up, you seize your chance to invade, riding on that wave of sympathy after the Holocaust. Why should you be "given" the territory if it was already occuppied? Did God say so?


rofl rofl rofl

Jews had always lived in Israel, in fact in 1929 Jews who lived in the city of Hebron and had routes in the city which went back over 2000 years were massacred by their Arab neighbors.

If it wasn't for the Jews who settled Israel I don't think the Arabs would have thought of building a homeland of there own in the first place, certainly not in Israel which was mostly desert and swamps untill the Jews came and settled the land and in contrast to the Arabs actually did something with the land.


What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

In the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, a litany of Christian travelers - Siebald Rieter and Johann Tucker, Arnold Van Harff and Father Michael Nuad, Martin Kabatnik and Felix Fabri, Count Constantine Francois Volney and Alphonse de Lamartine, Mark Twain and Sir George Gawler, Sir George Adam Smith and Edward Robinson - found Palestine virtually empty, except for Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Safed, Shechem, Hebron, Gaza, Ramleh, Acre, Sidon, Tyre, Haifa, Irsuf, Caesarea, and El Arish, and throughout Galilee towns - Kfar Alma, Ein Zeitim, Biria, Pekiin, Kfar Hanania, Kfar Kana and Kfar Yassif. To stay, these Jews had submitted to innumerable conquerors, taxes, pogroms and degradation. But they stayed. In 1799, Palestine was still so much in need of people that Napoleon Bonaparte championed a full-scale return of Jews.

In the early 19th century, Palestine was a backward, neglected province of the Ottoman Empire. Travelers to Palestine from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins.

In Jerusalem, all reports and journals of travelers, pilgrims and government representatives during these years, repeatedly record the poverty, filth and neglect and the desolate nature of the countryside. Early photographs show lepers in rags and dilapidated buildings. Jerusalem was surrounded by marauding bands of Bedouin Arabs and had to close her gates at nightfall and reopen them at first light, a practice that was similar in Biblical times.

Some quotes from the writings of these visitors before modern times:

Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds. [English pilgrim in 1590]


The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population. [British consul in 1857]

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. ... For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee ... Nazareth is forlorn ... Jericho lies a moldering ruin ... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds ... a silent, mournful expanse ... a desolation ... We never saw a human being on the whole route ... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country ... Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery Palestine must be the prince. The hills barren and dull, the valleys unsightly deserts [inhabited by] swarms of beggars with ghastly sores and malformations. Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes ... desolate and unlovely ... [Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867]

Remarkably, there are photographs dating to the 19th century and early 20th century that document the development of Palestine from the desolate, pre-Zionist landscape reported by travelers to the green and productive land that Jewish immigrants created there. This web site has 460 photographs and lithographs of the period, some never before available to the public. They show how the industrious Zionists made the lightly-populated land productive and able to support the great increases in Jewish and Arab numbers that came to Palestine in the following decades.

Winston Churchill was British Colonial Secretary when he visited the Middle East in the winter of 1920-1921. Anti-Semitic elements in the British government tried to assert that the Jews were not needed to develop Palestine. Churchill replied:

Left to themselves, the Arabs of Palestine would not in a thousand years have taken effective steps towards the irrigation and electrification of Palestine. They would have been quite content to dwell—a handful of philosophic people—in wasted sun-drenched plains, letting the waters of the Jordan flow unbridled and unharnessed into the Dead Sea."

In 1924, a few months after becoming Commissioner of the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Elwood Mead (namesake of Lake Mead behind Hoover Dam) published a highly favorable review of Jewish settlements in Palestine based on his visits there in 1923. His article, "New Palestine," praised the Zionists accomplishments and plans, a publicity coup. Mead blamed Islam, Ottoman governance, and Arab culture for the demise of Roman irrigation systems that, according to Mead, once supported "lands flowing with milk and honey." Mead was a consultant to Chiam Weizman offering his expertise to maximize the return on investment of the extensive investments in irrigation, land reclamation, and water supplies in the Zionist areas based on Mead's extensive experience in the American West.

After the Arab riots in 1929, Mead wrote to the British High Commissioner that Jewish colonists had produced "a marvelous transformation" in the Palestinian landscape. Mead noted that in his visits to Palestine he had seen nothing "to indicate that the Arab was injured." Moreover, the Jewish example of "what modern finance and equipment can do, coupled with the sympathetic interest of the government is bringing him out of the hopeless inertia that misgovernment and oppression of centuries past have created .... " Jewish settlers in Palestine were not only reclaiming the land, they were elevating living standards for the Arab population and assisting the British government.

In his report to the League of Nations on the Administration of Palestine and Transjordan for the year 1925, the British High Commissioner wrote:

Fuel-power stations for the generation of electrical light and energy have been established at Haifa and Tiberias by the [Jewish] Palestine Electric Corporation, Limited. This increase in commercial activity, in building enterprise and new industrial developments is due almost entirely to Jewish capital and the entry during the year of an immigrant class with money to invest.

During this period a significant shift of population took place as Arabs and others from all over the Middle East moved to the areas of Zionist cultivation and development. The organizational and technical skills of the Jewish settlers, their access to outside capital, and their sheer hard work created an economic boom that created opportunity for Arab workers, particularly in contrast to the stagnant conditions elsewhere in the region. This has been documented by many, following the much-criticized but basically sound work of Joan Peters in her book From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict Over Palestine. The central findings are that:

1)As far back as 1893, the Jews not only were already far from being a small minority in the areas where they had settled, but were the largest single group there (if one divides the non-Jewish population into Muslim and Christian), and


2)Substantial immigration of Arabs to Palestine took place during the first half of the twentieth century; from 1893 to 1947 while the Palestinian Arab population slightly more than doubled in areas where no Jews were settled, it quintupled in the main areas of Jewish settlement.

These findings are supported with an array of demographic statistics and contemporary accounts, the bulk of which have not been questioned by any reviewer.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_zionists_impact.php

[OB Kenobi]

The Arabs are pissed off on the fact that they lost every war with Israel, that's something that they can't understand how one of the smallest countries in the middle east beat them again and again.

They also suffer from a lot of antisemitic propoganda.

P.S. If you are a UN observer I guess that you are from Pakistan (and I think that i'm right)

How does Israel beat the Arabs? With alot of help from America, Britain, and to some extent Russia and other nations. Yearly financial aid, technological aid, political aid, and occassionally military aid... like the Iraq war. Can you imagine what would happen if the Arabs blew up one of your hidden nuke bases, the way Israel did to Saddam? If they crossed Israelis borders and raided territory within Israel, or bombed Israel? America and Britain would be over there carpet bombing everything in sight within days.

If it wasn't for all the other countries constantly protecting your ass, and donating welfare, you'd be dead years ago.

But you can't understand something like that, because you're a bunch of hypocrites and religious bigots. I hope you and the Arabs kill each other off in a nuclear apocalypse so we can be free of you for another two thousand years, and maybe finally free of your religious lies once and for all.

[Moledet]

The Arabs are pissed off on the fact that they lost every war with Israel, that's something that they can't understand how one of the smallest countries in the middle east beat them again and again.

They also suffer from a lot of antisemitic propoganda.

P.S. If you are a UN observer I guess that you are from Pakistan (and I think that i'm right)

How does Israel beat the Arabs? With alot of help from America, Britain, and to some extent Russia and other nations. Yearly financial aid, technological aid, political aid, and occassionally military aid... like the Iraq war. Can you imagine what would happen if the Arabs blew up one of your hidden nuke bases, the way Israel did to Saddam? If they crossed Israelis borders and raided territory within Israel, or bombed Israel? America and Britain would be over there carpet bombing everything in sight within days.

If it wasn't for all the other countries constantly protecting your ass, and donating welfare, you'd be dead years ago.

LOL, help from Britain and Russia, heh you made me laugh.
Britain was against the building of this country the only reason that obstained in the UN in 1947 was because US was for the founding of a Jewish country and Britain felt bad to vote against the people that saved their ass in WW2 (i.e. USA).
Russia voted for Israel just because they thought that we will be communist because the Kibutzim were preety communistic. Russia only helped the arabian countries and it even threathend Israel a couple of times that it will send all the Soviet army to help the Arabs. We never had good relations with Russia, not now and not in the past.

Until 1973 we didn't get much help from USA. We beat the Arabian armies with WW2 tanks and Mirage and Kfir jet fighters and Israeli made guns and a lot of bravery.
The financial aid is also given to Egypt and Jordan because of the peace agreements, we didn't get any finiancial aid until 1973. What technological aid did we get?

They can't blow up Dimona, it's one of the most heavily protected areas in the world and it's near the biggest IAF base in Israel.
They are frighthend to bomb Israel or to start a war, they lost too many times and they know that we won't be so nice to them (stopping 30km from Damascus) after all their statements and terror orgniazations help along the years.
US never joined Israel in a war, we never fought together. Israel has once helped Britain and France in Sinai but it wasn't Israel's war and Israel gave back everything that it took from Egypt (i.e. Sinai desert). All our wars were purely Israeli, US or Britain never helped us by sending troops to fight in Israel's wars.



But you can't understand something like that, because you're a bunch of hypocrites and religious bigots. I hope you and the Arabs kill each other off in a nuclear apocalypse so we can be free of you for another two thousand years, and maybe finally free of your religious lies once and for all.
Wow, that was the most antisemitic statements I've ever read here.

So you are Pakistanian, right?

[Laworkerbee]

OB Kenobi

If your really a Paki, and I'm assuming your a Muslim...well to say F**K YOUR GOD!....is pretty stupid since you pray to the same god as the Jews do.

Remember there is only one god?, or is your hatred so blind that you have become a total jackass?

you should'nt be wearing a blue helmet...period

[IDFM203]

OB Kenobi

Your assertion that we fight for religious reasons is absurd, being that most Israelis are secular and Israel is a secular state that is governed by secular laws and not by religious laws from the bible, so again we don’t defend ourselves at all in a religious pretext or context!!

(Though I cant say that for our enemies)



LOL, help from Britain and Russia, heh you made me laugh.
Britain was against the building of this country the only reason that obstained in the UN in 1947 was because US was for the founding of a Jewish country and Britain felt bad to vote against the people that saved their ass in WW2 (i.e. USA).
Russia voted for Israel just because they thought that we will be communist because the Kibutzim were preety communistic. Russia only helped the arabian countries and it even threathend Israel a couple of times that it will send all the Soviet army to help the Arabs. We never had good relations with Russia, not now and not in the past.

Until 1973 we didn't get much help from USA. We beat the Arabian armies with WW2 tanks and Mirage and Kfir jet fighters and Israeli made guns and a lot of bravery.
The financial aid is also given to Egypt and Jordan because of the peace agreements, we didn't get any finiancial aid until 1973. What technological aid did we get?

Good post, for indeed, despite the fact that the Arabs got almost all they wanted from the soviets, the French, the British and others throughout the years, in the way of arms, training and intelligence, in 1948, indeed we got almost nothing from anyone and in 1956 and 1967 wars, indeed we paid for arms from the Brits and the French, though still that was pittance to what the Arabs got from the soviets.

And as for the U.S, yes after 1967 we started to get a lot more (though there are many reasons for this, something which I wont get into now) as a counterbalance to the soviets arming of the Arabs, though in 1979, Egypt and other Arab nations stated to get from the U.S. as well.

So this whole if not for, is BS when it comes to Israel’s existence and in fact certainly not now, whereas even if aid from the U.S. will be stopped to Israel, while it would hurt us, it wont paralyze us, being that we are now a 120 billion a year economy (3b in aid out of 120b is hardly a argument for full dependence) and are now also the worlds forth or fifth largest arms producer in the world with a very high tech and respected arms industry of our own.

Lastly on international help, well I could go on in details on how absurd that is to us for our protection, but I figured for now I will simply quote a date in time as to why we feel that’s absurd to rely on for our national protection against any threats that we face.


For a further understanding of what I am talking about, I suggest people do research on what happened on the days of may18 and 19 in the year 1967 (before the six day war)and the actions of the United Nations Emergency Force

I guess if people cant figure it out, on my next post I will explain in more detail on what happened in those days.

Shalom :D

[Midav]

OB Kenobi

If your really a Paki, and I'm assuming your a Muslim...well to say F**K YOUR GOD!....is pretty stupid since you pray to the same god as the Jews do.

Remember there is only one god?, or is your hatred so blind that you have become a total jackass?

you should'nt be wearing a blue helmet...period

He's a Paki?

Explains a lot.

[UoUo]

Wait...so now we are blamed for the US/K invading Iraq? rofl


BTW : i admmit...i am big paranoind....

Ever you people wonder why?