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Kap2406
09-12-2008, 10:45 PM
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/12/america/NA-US-Lawmaker-Russia-Georgia.php


WASHINGTON (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/12/america/NA-US-Lawmaker-Russia-Georgia.php#): A conservative Republican congressman is siding with Russia in its invasion of and brief war with Georgia, putting himself at odds with the Bush administration and lawmakers of both parties.
"The Russians were right; we're wrong," Rep. Dana Rohrabacher said this week at a hearing of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee.
"The Georgians started it; the Russians ended it," he said.
Rohrabacher claimed that unidentified intelligence sources had assured him that Georgia started the fighting that began Aug. 7 when Georgia's military tried to re-establish control over its breakaway, pro-Russian province of South Ossetia.
Russia joined the battle, brutally repelled the Georgian offensive and then pushed deep into Georgia proper, where many of its forces remain nearly a month after the battle ended.



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Russia has been condemned by the Bush administration and other countries. Vice President **** Cheney visited Georgia and Ukraine, another former Soviet republic, early this month and called Russia's actions "an affront to civilized standards" and "completely unacceptable." Both U.S. presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, also have issued tough denunciations of Russia.
Not Rohrabacher. "The Georgians broke the truce, not the Russians, and no amount of talk of provocation and all this other stuff can alter that fact," he said.
Rohrabacher is known for taking contrarian stands on foreign affairs and other issues and has clashed with the Bush administration in the past. His comments got little attention in the United States but have been played prominently on state-run Russian television newscasts and other media.
Rohrabacher's Democratic opponent in November's elections, Debbie Cook, condemned his comments.
"Congressman Rohrabacher's statements about the situation in Georgia are unnecessary and continue his pattern of reckless comments," her campaign manager, Kevin Thurman, said Friday.
Rohrabacher, who is in his 10th two-year term, is not the only voice in Congress questioning administration policy on the conflict.
At the same Foreign Affairs hearing in which Rohrabacher spoke, Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman said although plenty of reasons can be cited to be skeptical of Moscow, "Our policy can best be regarded as unthinkingly and reflexively anti-Russian, particularly at a time when we need Russia's support on a number of issues including the containment of Iran."

LaoSexMachine
09-12-2008, 10:53 PM
He doesn't have to side with the Bush Admin. on policy just because he's an American Congressman.

Angelino
09-12-2008, 10:57 PM
He's welcome to say whatever he wishes. In America, we have this thing called the First Amendment.

Winger
09-12-2008, 11:50 PM
While I do not view it as Russia's fault, they certainly didn't help in preventing said conflict.

To blame it on Georgia completely shows ignorance on his part.

To blame it on Russia completely shows McCain's expedience on this issue. He knows better but he's actually being a politician on this one.

Power_serj
09-12-2008, 11:51 PM
He doesn't have to side with the Bush Admin. on policy just because he's an American Congressman.
No, but he's expected to not be such a f*cktard.

TR1
09-13-2008, 02:12 PM
No, but he's expected to not be such a f*cktard.
yeah what a ****tard, for once looking at an issue from the other side, not joining the brainless masses in declaring Sakkashvilli's peacefull intents. LOL

Mousepad
09-13-2008, 05:14 PM
Russia Strong Congressman!!! Russia is with U comrade, you'll have a seat on directors board in Gazprom + Bentley. Patrio'O'Muerte!!!

tyovan
09-13-2008, 06:25 PM
^ He must be a fan of Schroeder lol :D

Laworkerbee
09-13-2008, 06:28 PM
^ He must be a fan of Schroeder lol :D

He is a man with an opinion, not a dirty whore like Schroeder.

Rudolph
09-13-2008, 07:00 PM
Factually there isn't much wrong with what was said, but Russia should have known better, simply put. The problem really is that is seems Russia's actions have had far-reaching effects - which they intended. They really just don't understand that the West will welcome them any day of the week if they just tone down their propoganda machine and stop threatening everyone. I apologize for stating the obvious...

Xaito
09-13-2008, 08:17 PM
the West will welcome them any day of the week if they just tone down their propoganda machine and stop threatening everyone.

I translate:
the West will welcome them any day of the week if they start sucking up to the West and stop having own interests. p-)

Karl_Kroenen
09-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Russia joined the battle, brutally repelled the Georgian offensive

Wow, how objective.

nagant_m44
09-14-2008, 12:01 AM
Wow, how objective.

what, in your opinion, is the truth in this matter?

pachador
09-14-2008, 02:36 AM
Definitely, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is no pinko-commie. He overflew Chinese military sea forts in the Spratly islands in 1999 on board a Philippine Air Force C-130 conducting a recon mission.. Infact the U.S. state Dept tried to discourage him and I quote:
State Department Failed To Prevent Spratlys Trip,
Rohrabacher Flew Over Disputed Region Despite Warnings
Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/)
January 5, 1999, Pg. 5
From "Early Bird" summary of Military Times
The State Department "discouraged" Rep. Dana Rohrabacher from flying over the disputed Spratly Islands last month, but the determined congressman went anyway. He subsequently warned that China's ongoing construction of military facilities on Mischief Island represents a power grab by Beijing. State Department spokesman James Rubin said Washington was unaware that China was building anything on the Spratlys"

Washington was unaware?? maybe the state dept is trying to be funny or trying to be moronic. We all know now what the chinese have in the spratlys and what they are up to so why the pussyfooting around and playing politics with china but not with russia?

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a practical conservative is just thinking long-term because if the West forces Russia into a corner, it will not be surprising if Russia will seek an alliance with china or even Iran.

Russia, geographically speaking, would rather seek an alliance with the west because of her territorial dispute with china over the huge areas in the Russo-Chinese border and because of islamic separatism issue in Chechnya.

However, the West specially the U.S. seems to like picking fights with everybody from Russia to Iran to China(coming soon).

Wouldn't it make more sense, if you pick your fights selectively and choose the lesser evil if you want to put it that way? Imagine the cost savings in money and lives which can be used to build up the US economy. If the US economy declines then the US will not be able to maintain its formidable military. no money no honey err no guns.

If the U.S. and the west gets bogged down in the middle east and Iran and afghanistan/pakistan, it will slowly bleed white, and if that is not enough, it is now being bellicose with Russia over a small republic that is not exactly 100% innocent being the initiator of the recent war with Russia.

If this situation continues for the next 20 or 30 years and china continues expanding militairily and economically, is there something the west can do if china plays its hand suddenly in the pacific theatre? Yes, the west can, but only if Russia was on the West's side, but if russia or even Iran was on chinese side....hmmmm I can only think of one word 'armageddon'

Better think long-term ! in fact from the same news IHT.com article comes this quote "At the same Foreign Affairs hearing in which Rohrabacher spoke, Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman said although plenty of reasons can be cited to be skeptical of Moscow, "Our policy can best be regarded as unthinkingly and reflexively anti-Russian, particularly at a time when we need Russia's support on a number of issues including the containment of Iran."

Mr.K
09-14-2008, 03:32 AM
He's lucky McCarthyism is over,

Afro-European
09-14-2008, 04:23 AM
An US congressman with a neutral p.o.v.?
Now he can join the south stream or north stream pipeline project :).