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IraGlacialis
09-18-2008, 02:38 AM
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Another nightmare on Wall Street: Dow down 450
By ELLEN SIMON, AP Business Writer

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NEW YORK - The stock market took another nosedive Wednesday as the American banking system appeared even shakier and investors worried that the financial crisis is spinning so far out of control that even government rescues can't stop it.
The Dow Jones industrial average, which only two days earlier had suffered its steepest drop since the days after the Sept. 11 attacks, lost another 450 points. About $700 billion in investments vanished.
One day after the Federal Reserve stepped in with an emergency loan to keep American International Group Inc., one of the world's largest insurers, from going under, Wall Street wondered which companies might be the next to falter.
A major investor in ailing Washington Mutual Inc. removed a potential obstacle to a sale of the bank, and stock in two investment banks, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, was pummeled.
It was the fourth consecutive day of extraordinary turmoil for the American financial system, beginning with news on Sunday that another venerable investment house, Lehman Brothers, would be forced to file for bankruptcy.
The 4 percent drop Wednesday in the Dow reflected the stock market's first chance to digest the Fed's decision to rescue AIG with an $85 billion taxpayer loan that effectively gives it a majority stake in the company. AIG is important because it has essentially become a primary source of insurance for the entire financial industry.
As the stock market staggered, the price of gold, which rises in times of panic, spiked as much as $90.40 an ounce. Bonds, a traditional safe haven for investors, also climbed.
"The economy is not short of money. It is short of confidence," said Sung Won Sohn, an economics professor at California State University.
The financial stocks in the Standard & Poor's 500 dropped even more, falling 10 percent, and insurance that backs corporate debt soared for the last two surviving independent U.S. investment banks, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs.
"It seems as though banks are hoarding cash, no matter what rate they could be lending it at," said David Rosenberg, North American economist at Merrill Lynch.
Markets around the world also tumbled, with stocks dropping from Hong Kong to London. Brazil's benchmark index saw the largest drop, losing nearly 7 percent in a day.
Worse, the short-term credit markets remained frozen, with overnight interest rates soaring for loans between banks and for overnight loans to businesses. Long-term loans, however, didn't rise as much.
"The worry on short-term loans is you're not sure who the ultimate borrower is," said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. economist at Global Insight Inc.
And in case anyone needed additional symbolism, a glass panel near the top of a Bank of America skyscraper in Midtown Manhattan fell more than 50 stories onto the street below and shattered. No injuries were reported.
In the United States, the faltering economy and banking system have begun to dominate conversations at dinner tables, bars and online, not to mention seizing the campaign trail.
One blogger, Michele Catalano of Long Island, posted this on Wednesday: "Dreamed about AIG and the stock market, woke up with the urge to stock up on canned goods and shotguns."
Mortgage rates, which had fallen after the government's takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, rose again, removing a glimmer of hope that the housing crisis, the kindling for the broader financial meltdown, was hitting bottom.
And new statistics showed that construction of new homes and apartments fell a surprising 6.2 percent in August to the weakest pace in 17 years.
The Treasury Department, for the first time in its history, said it would begin selling bonds for the Federal Reserve in an effort to help the central bank deal with its unprecedented borrowing needs.
Treasury officials said the action did not mean that the Fed was running short of cash, but simply was a way for the government to better manage its financing needs.
Separately, the Securities and Exchange Commission tightened rules on short selling, the practice of betting that a stock will fall.
A $62 billion money market fund — Primary Fund from Reserve — on Tuesday saw its holdings fall below its total deposits, a condition known as "breaking the buck" that hasn't happened to a money market fund since 1994, Rosenberg said. Money market funds are supposed to be conservatively invested and almost as safe as cash.
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama appeared Wednesday in a two-minute commercial to outline his economic plans and caution it won't be easy to fix the nation's worsening financial problems.
"The truth is that while you've been living up to your responsibilities, Washington has not," he said.
Republican John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, said of the AIG move: "It's understandable but very, very disappointing that taxpayers are called upon for another one."
The Dow fell 449.36 to 10,609.66, finishing near its lowest point of the trading day. The index is down more than 7 percent just this week and more than 25 percent since its record close less than a year ago, on Oct. 9, 2007.
Stock in Washington Mutual fell 13 percent, dropping 31 cents to $2.01 amid reports that the government was trying to find a buyer for the bank, which has been battered by bad home loans. It lost $3.3 billion in the second quarter.
Many economists worried about the unintended consequences of the Fed's actions.
"Every time that umbrella widens, it gets heavier and heavier for those holding it up — which is the taxpayer," said Bernard Baumohl, chief economist at the Economic Outlook Group in Princeton, N.J.
"With most Americans now preoccupied about their own future job security, the one thing they do not want to hear is how they will end up paying the bill for poorly managed companies," he said.

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BlackFlag
09-18-2008, 04:41 AM
I'm afraid to see what tomorrow brings for wall st.

Stainless Steel Rat
09-18-2008, 09:40 AM
I'm afraid to see what tomorrow brings for wall st.

My guess (and that is all that it is, no expertise here) is that it will recover some (especially on the news that banks worldwide are dumping $120B into the system) as people buy up stocks that took big hits in the last couple of days, figuring they will recover.

But if anybody thinks that they know what's going to happen in the next few weeks, get your crysal ball polished and go into business for yourself.

All I know is that my Mutual Funds were down $10K this year before this latest meltdown....:|

Press on.

bd popeye
09-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Aaahh I'm watching FOX right now and they just reported the DOW is Up 423 points....

Macs.
09-18-2008, 06:12 PM
Aaahh I'm watching FOX right now and they just reported the DOW is Up 423 points....

Yeah, speculation going on.

Some pretty rumors are going around... :roll:

Templar@Large
09-18-2008, 10:25 PM
Wild Toilet paper is up by 50 points :cantbeli:!!!!!!!

INAT
09-18-2008, 10:34 PM
The poor complain; they always do
But that’s just idle chatter
Our system brings reward to all
At least all those who matter.





We had a good run.A movie will be made about American and it will be a great film.

If history has taught us anything it is this--Empires do not last forever.

Kilgor
09-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Yes, the markets have rebounded, but this isnt over by a long long way.

10 steps back, one forward.

Bia
09-18-2008, 11:29 PM
I hope the bottom drops out and we see people jumping out of windows over it...

See... I'm already poor.

LOL

INAT
09-18-2008, 11:33 PM
I hope the bottom drops out and we see people jumping out of windows over it...

See... I'm already poor.

LOL



If you are poor you will be third world poor. I like watching people commit suicide? Is that what you just said? tsk tsk.

Bia
09-18-2008, 11:40 PM
If you are poor you will be third world poor. I like watching people commit suicide? Is that what you just said? tsk tsk.lol 87654321

INAT
09-18-2008, 11:43 PM
lol 787654321


Sorry. I don't know what that means.

Me no speaky Generation Y or X or whatever.




I am just giving you a hard time.:hug:

Lambert58
09-18-2008, 11:46 PM
If you are poor you will be third world poor. I like watching people commit suicide? Is that what you just said? tsk tsk.


I made a metric freaking mint over the last 3 weeks. Why? because I'm not a fking moron and I saw the housing crash coming about... oh... 2004. I'm rolling in cash atm. ty. sorry I need to afk so i can strip naked and play country music and drink beer while I roll in cash lmao.

Bia
09-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Sorry. I don't know what that means.

Me no speaky Generation Y or X or whatever.




I am just giving you a hard time.:hug:I was simply laughing at your reply... and had to type in 87654321 because MP.net doesnt allow post shorter than 10 characters.

Generation x y?
What the fkuc does that mean?
:P

INAT
09-18-2008, 11:56 PM
I was simply laughing at your reply... and had to type in 87654321 because MP.net doesnt allow post shorter than 10 characters.

Generation x y?
What the fkuc does that mean?
:P


I thought it was some txt or internet language.

Do not be mad.Have a twix!woot

Kilgor
09-19-2008, 12:48 AM
Now things are getting interesting.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26781646

The Securities and Exchange Commission says it will issue a temporary ban on short-selling CNBC has learned.

foxtrot023
09-19-2008, 10:54 PM
sigh*

The word you guys are looking for is bailout and it was announced today to the tune of at least half a trillion, otherwise today we would have had a complete global meltdown. So celebrate.....that is while it last because housing is still in the crappers