Which of these is better (proffesional,experienced,training,

[andrew45c]

Which of these is better (proffesional,experienced,training,battle honours) not based on kit.

[crazyface]

i said other because it is the 82nd airborne division not the 101st

[Scrim]

Errr riiight.
Andrew- Royal Marines are not an Army unit.

[digitalghost]

Alright first of all you really cannot compare them. I cant beleive someone put up another "whos better" topic uhhh.. Anyways...

Army Rangers are considered ELITE INFANTRY means theyre the best infantry unit there is in the Army. That would put them naturally above the 101st. So lets cut 101st out.

**EDIT*** Yes cut out 82nd Airborne also.. Rangers are above all conventional Army units i.e. 82nd/101st/10th/3rd etc.

U.S Rangers
Royal Marine Commandos
Brit Paras

Now your comparing Army Rangers to "Conventional" Foreign British Marines and Paratroopers. If they were american instead of british, you would be comparing the Rangers to the 82nd Airborne and Marines Infantry- If that was so the Rangers would naturally again be above 82nd and Marine Infantry(Marines dont goto Jump School/Ranger school do they? Theyre the amphibious dudes :) )

I dont know anything about foreign military so I woudlnt know. An american soldier whos worked with british and knows their history, training SOPs etc. would be better suitable to make that kind of assesment.

Digital Ghost

EDIT*** I see the founder of this topic lives in England. Hey can a swedish citizen join the British Army since Swedens part of the european union? What are the British Army's Paratroopers called? US Army's Paras are 82nd Airborne Division.. What about England?

[Marsuitor]

I wouldn't call either Brit RM or Para regular infantry, or infantry with a "twist". P-Coy and the Commando course, from what i've been told, is much harder than any normal infantry training regime by far. I guess they could compare to the US Ranger School/RIP (or whatever it's name is).
Also, when it comes to the Royal Marines, they seem to have somewhat the same role in the UK as the Rangers have in the States, supporting SF on their ops, and if not that , be the first in to do the jobs that requires that little extra. I believe the serving/former RM members in the forum can give a better answer..

Also, as for the "can a Swede join the UK forces", AFAIK, in order to join the Brit forces you have to have been born a British citizen. Also there's a requirement to have been living in the UK for five years prior to your application.

[digitalghost]

Wait so first you say youve gotta be born british to join but then you say you have to be 5 years in the coutnrY?? what do you mean?

I think that you've basically got to be a british citizen. Citizenship is acquired after 5 years.

In US Army you only need a green card to join infantry(101st, 82nd, etc.) but need citizenship to join SOF such as Rangers and Army SF along with Intelligence jobs etc.

[Scrim]

Marcus is right, exactly as he wrote it. Born a British citizen and five years consecutive residency upto and prior to enlistment.

[mmackem]

You don't have to be born in the UK, as Irish Citizens are allowed to serve in the British Forces :roll: and Australians,, New Zealanders, South Africans, Canadians, etc.. etc..

Copied from the British Army website.

Nationality
Applicants will be eligible if they are a bona fide resident of the United Kingdom or the Irish Republic and are one of the following:

Commonwealth citizen. This term includes a British citizen; a citizen of the British dependent territories; a British overseas citizen; a British subject under the British Nationality Act 1981; a citizen of an independent Commonwealth country; British Protected Person; Citizen of the Irish Republic.

Residence
Should applicants reside outside the United Kingdom, they will only be eligible to enlist if they are exempt from immigration control: that is to say they have been given indefinite leave to reside and work in the United Kingdom under Immigration Rules.

[Seraphim]

Ya, I agree...enough with the Whos Better Than Who threads.

[Ratamacue]

:cantbeli:

[Beowulf]

Other-
Imperial Storm Troopers

[Seraphim]

Only thing a storm strooper can do is take out a huge building sized tracked vehicle...poor jawa's. Anything smaller they couldnt hit it with a star destroyer. But they sure can run into doors though. Watch episode 4...the actual first movie, when the storm troopers are entering the room where C3PO and R2D2 is hiding, look at the guy on the right...and when he hits the door it makes a big crack too. rofl :cantbeli:

[gunner]

how many of you know jack **** about any of them? And im not talking about watching the discovery channel.

[CX20]

This whole thread is a joke and an insult to all the men of the units in the "Poll".

Andrew45c how old are you?

[digitalghost]

gunner: the question is, what doth thou knoweth of them?

[Sabre]

I say RM.

That's because they're the only ones I've had any experience of (save an exchange Ranger coming over to train with us).

The RM are the best in terms of flexibility and general level of intelligence/initiative at the lowest level of Orbat.

I remember in Afghanistan the Rangers took on a Taliban objective but had to get the RM in to finish the job.

My tuppence worth.

[gaz]

I remember in Afghanistan the Rangers took on a Taliban objective but had to get the RM in to finish the job.


Could you please cite a source for that, I'd like to read about it. I was under the impression that 45 Commando operated independently of the US whilst in Afghanistan.

[Royal]

I'm not going to get into the who's better, who's best boll***s.

The British Para's, strangely enough are called the Parachute Regiment (3 regular and one reserve battalions).

A significant percentage (was 26%, I think now lower) of Royal Marines are parachute trained.

The fact that the Royal Marines are not army, and the citizenship requirements for UK forces have been pointed out (again the brigade of Gurkhas are an exception to the rules as they have different terms and conditions of service, despite being commonwealth citizens).

[CX20]

Gaz I think he's referring to that Ranger raid which went wrong, where five SBS lads rescued a large unit of Rangers. A force of 150 Rangers raided a Taliban enclave and were surrounded by 500 Taliban. A force of only five SBS lads were called in and they used their machine guns and mortars to enable the Rangers to effect an escape. The SBS lads are supposedly up for the CMOH for it.

So in a way he is right, as the SBS lads are Royal Marines and they did officially rescue the Rangers from the Taliban. I searched for some evidence but all I could find was this, scroll down to the 16th April 2002 entry.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Terror/afghanistan.html

[Ichhabe]

These polls are like; who prefer the colour Blue instead of the colour Green?

When you guys that come up with these polls have served in everyone of these units, you may try to make up an opinion.

[theGHOST]

I love being part of the Commonwealth :)

[gaz]

Gaz I think he's referring to that Ranger raid which went wrong, where five SBS lads rescued a large unit of Rangers. A force of 150 Rangers raided a Taliban enclave and were surrounded by 500 Taliban. A force of only five SBS lads were called in and they used their machine guns and mortars to enable the Rangers to effect an escape. The SBS lads are supposedly up for the CMOH for it.

So in a way he is right, as the SBS lads are Royal Marines and they did officially rescue the Rangers from the Taliban. I searched for some evidence but all I could find was this, scroll down to the 16th April 2002 entry.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Terror/afghanistan.html

Thank you.

[ibstolidude]

I have never heard of that bunk before...
I'll ask around but I don't think the results will indicate the same.

[gaz]

As I understand it to win a CMOH you must be a member of the US Armed Forces (With the exceptions of unknown soldiers of various countries dating back to WW1), since they have that part wrong it doesn't really leave me inclined to believe the rest of it, however, I simply asked for a source and it was provided, so I'm happy as far as that goes.

[SABER 2-3]

Gaz I think he's referring to that Ranger raid which went wrong, where five SBS lads rescued a large unit of Rangers. A force of 150 Rangers raided a Taliban enclave and were surrounded by 500 Taliban. A force of only five SBS lads were called in and they used their machine guns and mortars to enable the Rangers to effect an escape. The SBS lads are supposedly up for the CMOH for it.

So in a way he is right, as the SBS lads are Royal Marines and they did officially rescue the Rangers from the Taliban. I searched for some evidence but all I could find was this, scroll down to the 16th April 2002 entry.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Terror/afghanistan.html

What operation would you be refering to and where did you hear this. I'm just wondering if I missed a formation or something; that info sounds like chest-beating and horn-blowing. Authenticate transmission.

[CX20]

that info sounds like chest-beating and horn-blowing. Authenticate transmission. rofl

I first heard about it in the national press at the time it occurred, if you'd visited the link I'd posted then you'd have been able to have read a bit more on the subject.

[ibstolidude]

LIke all good intelligence it all comes from one source.... :oops:
I have never heard of a none national being put up for the MOH for afghanistan. And don't hand me tht wannabe horse crap of the medal/award was classified because it DOES NOT happen.

[cut]

I heard about this before on this site

[Royal]

See the Pte Lynch for MoH thread, or

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/11/nsbs11.xml

Can't find it in the Times online - archive doesn't go back that far.

[gaz]

Thanks for the link Royal, but I believe the Telegraph is mistaken in it's reporting, this is a link the the Congressional Medal of Honor (That's the only time I'll use the American spelling ;) ) Society http://www.cmohs.org/medal/medal_faq.htm#5A

Perhaps it was an award other than the CMOH?

[Royal]

Pass. There have certainly been plenty of rumours here and the name I've heard mentioned is certainly a SC.

The truth will come out in the wash sooner or later.

[ibstolidude]

Not that is that important but the award is the Medal Of Honor not the congressional medal of honor and it is not awarded to those not in the US military.

The society is the Congressional Medal of Honor Society (as in the Congressional (as in of congress) - Medal Of Honor Society.