New British Army Kit Coming

[oscarni]

Howdy Lads,

From the looks of it the MOD have already came up with some replacements for the current issued PLCE and IP kit that we are currently being issued, from the looks of it, new body armor, new Desert DPM with 3 colours on the [an additional darker brown] combat clothing and then what looks like 4 colours on the PLCE and armor [a pale green and dark brown], hell it even looks like the MK6 is the way of the dodo, it looks oddly like the 2nd gen Crye Helmet or some sort of Mich variant. Even the SUSAT is gone, ACOGs abound.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7623188.stm

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/InfantryKitincomparableWithFiveYearsAgo.htm

What do you guys think?

PS from the looks of it, no Digital Pattern, sorry lads lol Thank God

[RAFREGT.]

hahahaha British army!!!! at least two of those guys were RAF Regt!!! the middle guy was on my basics in '91!

[oscarni]

hahahaha British army!!!! at least two of those guys were RAF Regt!!! the middle guy was on my basics in '91!

Blah, I should have said new stuff from the MOD, lets face it the RAF regiment will still have their gear nice and shiny ::grins:: while the Infantry breaks the gear in ;) I jest lol

[PUG]

They should have procured 3 others from within the ranks that don't have accents as thick as Jade 'Boo Hoo Cancer' Goody.

[kinney_bmx]

Looks pretty good. Glad the brits are getting new kit.
And ill take this chance to thank our british counterparts for their help in Iraq and Afghanistan.
God bless all of you

[MrScruff]

10 stone? Sodding hell :p

[PUG]

10 stone? Sodding hell :p

The guy is a bloody genius.



P.S. It's hotter than the sun.

[Hauser]

Anybody know how heavy the Osprey actually is?

[Britboy]

The new desert cam looks like the old 4-colour desert cam we sold to Iraq in the 80s (which was why we needed to make the current des cam, to distinguish, apparently).

Helmet looks odd too. Is it going to be like the 'Fritz' style, as everyone calls them, that most other armies have? I.e. PASGT.

No SUSAT will be pump. I like the SUSAT. I'm guessing the new red dot sight will have no magnification...

[Sabre]

hahahaha British army!!!! at least two of those guys were RAF Regt!!! the middle guy was on my basics in '91!

Aye, suppose they're the only blokes they could find who weren't either on tour, post tour or pre tour! :lol:

10 stone = 140 lbs, erm....not quite mate! Two stone maybe....

The new kit seems decent, a step forward at least. Not so sure about the intermediate cam on the plate carrier. The green wasn't that obvious, so not much use in european temperate environment. Almost not worth having it like.

[Hauser]

No SUSAT will be pump. I like the SUSAT. I'm guessing the new red dot sight will have no magnification...

The new sight looks like a Trijicon to me, which I think is 4x magnification. Not certain about the particular model though, so could be wrong.

[kinney_bmx]

The new sight looks like a Trijicon to me, which I think is 4x magnification. Not certain about the particular model though, so could be wrong.
I think Britboy was talking about the doctor optic on top of the ACOG
Im pretty sure this is what is being Basically issued
http://www.trijicon-inc.com/User/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=501&back_row=4&categoryID=3

[cbreedon]

a few more pics and discussion
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=105586.html

[Ubar]

The new kit seems decent, a step forward at least. Not so sure about the intermediate cam on the plate carrier. The green wasn't that obvious, so not much use in european temperate environment. Almost not worth having it like.

Maybe it's intended to be worn under your smock like the CBA? Or just not intended for temperate climates at all ?

[DPM_Sheep]

Aye, suppose they're the only blokes they could find who weren't either on tour, post tour or pre tour! :lol:

10 stone = 140 lbs, erm....not quite mate! Two stone maybe....

The new kit seems decent, a step forward at least. Not so sure about the intermediate cam on the plate carrier. The green wasn't that obvious, so not much use in european temperate environment. Almost not worth having it like.

According to those in the know, the Q&A was prepped before broadcast but the reporter asked what the body armor weighed instead of what all the kit weighed so our Rock Ape friend only had the wrong anwser. :)

[big_les]

Can't be too hard on the guy - it's a pain in the arrse when journos brief you with one question and then switch it out on you at the last second (because they have no clue what they're asking).

ARRSE says the armour and helmet come from PECOC - more info here;

http://www.defense-update.com/events/2008/summary/soldiertech08_pecoc.htm

It says the armour vest is Osprey with a new low-profile plate, but the vest in the pics is totally new. Arrse has more on the real thing;

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/p=2108751.html

Unless of course this vest is something they've given up on, and all they'll do IS issue a lightweight low profile SAPI for Osprey.

[Ubar]

Does anyone know which company won the L85 RAS contract?

I know B&T have produced various versions but I heard someone say Daniel Defense had put a bid in ?


edit- Had a word.. apparently the chosen one is made by Daniel Defense

[VMICadetJNA]

did anybody else notice the guy on the far left playing with himself while the reporter was talking to the middle guy?

[oscarni]

To be honest, I don't actually see the point in changing the Desert DPM Scheme, I haven't heard any thing from the lads coming home for the Stan about their pattern being useless, Possibly to distance the lads from the other countries that use similar patterns to us, but to be honest... I don't see the point, any ideas? Just thank god its not digital.

I do kind of like the idea of additional colour of the Desert PLCE stuff, but well new gear would be better than new camo, the body armour does look alright, it would be nice to get some up close images of the gear, any word on the PLCE?

Yeah from the looks of it, it is mich in style... and no camo strips on the helmet cover... I wonder what they will do to the PLCE webbing, so far as I could see from the Video, the PLCE yoke has changed a bit...

As for the SUSAT, I sodding lvoe that sight but to be honest, it does have its downfalls, the post can obsure the target at long range and the EBS are useless in the urban enivornment, but damm I will miss it, I even managed to get one a while ago, so it will live on at least in Northern Ireland lol

So far, even from arsse, they seem to be keeping the Temperate DPM pattern the same... but well we will wait and see.

- Phil

[Red-Phos]

Lerch take note!

[Red-Phos]

The New cam looks ****,whats wrong with the Desert DPM? Probs the best Desert Pattern out there.

[PUG]

The New cam looks ****,whats wrong with the Desert DPM? Probs the best Desert Pattern out there.

This isn't the base of our worries mate. Some idiot thinks hes carrying 10 stone of body armour. 10 stone. STONE. 4 stone off me. Idiot.

[andreen]

Always wondered why the did't go with rails on the box and handgard on the A2 upgrade.

[Red-Phos]

This isn't the base of our worries mate. Some idiot thinks hes carrying 10 stone of body armour. 10 stone. STONE. 4 stone off me. Idiot.
Well he is.......................

[big_les]

Always wondered why the did't go with rails on the box and handgard on the A2 upgrade.

Cost, maybe? I mean obviously they're spending the money now, but they may have wanted to keep the A2 programme separate as it was so expensive. Plus it's possible (likely?) that not all A2s will get the RAS.

That riser/adapter for the ACOG is dashed unsightly, what?

[PUG]

Well he is.......................

Are you fecking kidding me?

[Red-Phos]

Are you fecking kidding me?
I take it you no what i ment by that!

[PUG]

I take it you no what i ment by that!

Ohhh you meant an idiot? Not that he was infact wearing 10 stone worth of plates. Yeah i was hammered.

[Aldo Penniconi]

Nice camo pattern but they should probably go for somthing else. Will it also replace the Woodland DPM?.

[congofal]

here's some more pics of the uniform , there does seem to be some Green on the camo pattern on the body armor

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit6.jpg

the helmet does look similar to a "Fritz" helmet , i like the little touch of the Flag on the handguard

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit3.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit1.jpg

This 1/6th S.A.S HALO figure released a few months back by a company called Hot Toys from Hong Kong , wears a camo very similar to the new British camo
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/41sas_halo_desert_1.jpg

[Hauser]

Nice camo pattern but they should probably go for somthing else. Will it also replace the Woodland DPM?.

Wouldn't have thought so, this is just the new desert pattern, supposedly incorporating some green to be more suitable for scrubland areas aswell. If you check out the arrse link at the top of page 2 you can see the vest in standard temperate DPM.

Does anyone know anything about the new webbing system for PECOC? I remember reading that they were initially going to incorporate soft armour into the hip pad, like a blast belt. However, they were worried that the squaddie tendancy to fiddle with things would mean that the belt would either be worn over the vest, making it pointless, or too low, leaving a large gap between it and the vest, so this idea may have been abbandoned by this point.

[Red-Phos]

Ohhh you meant an idiot? Not that he was infact wearing 10 stone worth of plates. Yeah i was hammered.
No mate look at his shoulder.

[Aldo Penniconi]

The new british camo looks similar to the Para Smock this man is wearing.

http://www.hrw.org/images/drc013106.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40349000/jpg/_40349945_nkund203.jpg

[Ubar]

No it doesnt

[Switek]

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit1.jpg

The camo scheme is of the right model is much more similar to the Portuguese one. Besides is much more appropriate to the Afghani environment than classic desert DPM, IMHO.

[Sabre]

Still, for me the hybrid cam isn't 'hybrid' enough. The dominant colours are still brown and tan. It needs to be tan base, with green and brown DPM 'swathes'. More like the Rhodesian brush cammo.

Of course I realise that the option represented here is just one of a few and isnt the final pattern.

[-Church-]

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit1.jpg

The camo scheme is of the right model is much more similar to the Portuguese one. Besides is much more appropriate to the Afghani environment than classic desert DPM, IMHO.

The helmets look as dumb as us frenchies. We need helmets like the americans have.

[big_les]

Wouldn't have thought so, this is just the new desert pattern, supposedly incorporating some green to be more suitable for scrubland areas aswell. If you check out the arrse link at the top of page 2 you can see the vest in standard temperate DPM.

Does anyone know anything about the new webbing system for PECOC? I remember reading that they were initially going to incorporate soft armour into the hip pad, like a blast belt. However, they were worried that the squaddie tendancy to fiddle with things would mean that the belt would either be worn over the vest, making it pointless, or too low, leaving a large gap between it and the vest, so this idea may have been abbandoned by this point.

It has - check out the ARRSE thread;

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=105586.html

[SilentType]

Does the new plate carrier allow for Level IIIA soft armor inserts along with the new plates? What type of plates are they ceramic or are we talking about something a bit different? If the plates are thinner will they as ruggid or more ****e to cracking or breaking?

I like the rifle stock grip pad on the plate carrier though. I think the new camo pattern is a waste of money. Something seems off about the helmet and it doesn't appear to ride well on the guy's head, so I hope the suspension system is top notch. I also think that the new clothing should be fire retardent and it would be cool to start seeing things like Blackhawks ITS integrated into uniforms.

The Rail System and the Forward Grip are long overdue. Bullpups are great, but if you want positive control in CQB where the bullpup is suppose to shine that forward grip is nice to have.

Overall, looks good.

[jango]

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/Adler69_photo/kit1.jpg

The camo scheme is of the right model is much more similar to the Portuguese one. Besides is much more appropriate to the Afghani environment than classic desert DPM, IMHO.The new desert camo looks a lot like the pattern they looked at in the 1980s but then scrapped for the other pattern

[Yarrick2]

The new desert camo looks a lot like the pattern they looked at in the 1980s but then scrapped for the other pattern
you mean the 4 (or was it 3) color DDPM that was licensed to the Iraqis so when GW1 happened the MoD had to change the uniforms on the fly?:)
Always wanted to get my hands on a set of that, most badass pants ever.

[jango]

you mean the 4 (or was it 3) color DDPM that was licensed to the Iraqis so when GW1 happened the MoD had to change the uniforms on the fly?:)
Always wanted to get my hands on a set of that, most badass pants ever.
I only saw the pattern once so i can't remember if it was 3 or4. Is there anyone who has a photo of the regetted pattern that they could post?

[Sabre]

There's a bloke on arrse who has something to do with the development/trials and is disseminating this information. He stresses that the pictures he has posted are just one option of several being considered. That includes uniform cut, pattern, webbing, helmet type etc What you see here isn't necessarily the final version, or even all of the options under trials. It's just some kit put together for the media.

I wouldn't get too hett up about this pattern, or that detail as it's all liable to change in the trials phase. Or so he says.


Having said all that, there are good and bad points about this kit on show here. A truly modular belt system is a good idea, hopefully it's designed well. The hybrid cam is also a good idea, as there is no need to issue two sets of PLCE (indeed this has not been done to date), but I still think the pattern isn't green enough for use in European type environs. The new desert cam is ok, the darker colours are reminiscent of the 4 colour pattern sold to Iraq. The rubber grip pads on the armour and yoke are there to ensure the webbing and daysack sit properly I think, I'm not sure of the necessity of that though. Certainly big black patches on your shoulders aren't the best for concealment.

[OMON]

pictures of the helmet with out cover?

[PUG]

I find it funny how many geardos there are that come flocking to any threads about new camo etc. It's like flies to shyte in here. It isn't action man we're talking about; it's just kit. Kit that is only a means to an end. This isn't going to make the men and women fighting on the ground superhuman and neither will digital camouflage, contrary to what some of you may think. This new stuff may help, however, it's just f*cking kit. Whether the camo is better, the armour offers better protection/mobility or the ACOG gives squaddies raging hardons all remains to be seen. So untill that day, all of this hypothetical chat is merely that. Hypothetical.

Whether I'm still around to be issued any of this, remains to be seen, but if I am (and I hope I am) I will be grateful for new and updated kit. But that will be it. It's not going to make me a better person. Although ACU would make me gag more than Elton John.

[SilentType]

I find it funny how many geardos there are that come flocking to any threads about new camo etc. It's like flies to shyte in here. It isn't action man we're talking about; it's just kit. Kit that is only a means to an end. This isn't going to make the men and women fighting on the ground superhuman and neither will digital camouflage, contrary to what some of you may think. This new stuff may help, however, it's just f*cking kit. Whether the camo is better, the armour offers better protection/mobility or the ACOG gives squaddies raging hardons all remains to be seen. So untill that day, all of this hypothetical chat is merely that. Hypothetical.

Whether I'm still around to be issued any of this, remains to be seen, but if I am (and I hope I am) I will be grateful for new and updated kit. But that will be it. It's not going to make me a better person. Although ACU would make me gag more than Elton John.

I think you're underestimating the effects good kit can have on a soldier.

Try running barefoot and then talk to me about how important good footwear is to a person.

It's just like sports. Shoes and clothing can't make you a "better soldier," but they can allow you to be the best soldier you can be. Wicking torsos for tops can keep you cooler, more comfortable boots can help you travel further and faster with less wear, and modern clothing that is fire retardent can mean the difference between life and death.

[PUG]

I think you're underestimating the effects good kit can have on a soldier.

Try running barefoot and then talk to me about how important good footwear is to a person.

It's just like sports. Shoes and clothing can't make you a "better soldier," but they can allow you to be the best soldier you can be. Wicking torsos for tops can keep you cooler, more comfortable boots can help you travel further and faster with less wear, and modern clothing that is fire retardent can mean the difference between life and death.

I see where you are coming from and agree with you. But maybe I didn't portray my feeling as accurately as I had imagined. I'm not really talking about the difference between the boots/no boots thing but more about the nit-picking nature in threads like this. That and people being all up in my grills about digital comouflage.

[big_les]

I see where you are coming from and agree with you. But maybe I didn't portray my feeling as accurately as I had imagined. I'm not really talking about the difference between the boots/no boots thing but more about the nit-picking nature in threads like this. That and people being all up in my grills about digital comouflage.

You're on an internet forum, in a subforum entitled:

Military Photos > General > Equipment and Gear

What exactly do you expect?

;)

[PUG]

You're on an internet forum, in a subforum entitled:

Military Photos > General > Equipment and Gear

What exactly do you expect?

;)

Some levels of maturity and people not gettin up im ma grills.

[oscarni]

Some levels of maturity and people not gettin up im ma grills.

You know, ::looks at your other posts:: why not add some thing instead of bitch? If you have an insight to the topic title by all means please state it otherwise, if you don't like the comments here, if you look at the big X on your browser you can make it all go away :)

Topic:
As for the new pattern being proposed, it was mentioned on arsse that additional colour was added to combat issues which troops mentioned while in the stan, that the current pattern could easily be made out while using NVG gear and they suggested an additional colour to help with combat in urban areas and to help break up the issue with the combats through NVG's

[PUG]

You know, ::looks at your other posts:: why not add some thing instead of bitch? If you have an insight to the topic title by all means please state it otherwise, if you don't like the comments here, if you look at the big X on your browser you can make it all go away :)


No need to be a c*nt now is there?

[Troubadour]

Someone explain to me why the one guy has an EOtech where a grenade sight used to be.

[Ubar]

so he can point where the bangs will happen, superstar

[Hauser]

Someone explain to me why the one guy has an EOtech where a grenade sight used to be.

It is a replacement for the standard UGL iron sights. It has a reticle pattern derived from the 'less-lethal' shotgun version of the Eotech, which is graduated for the drop of the UGL rounds. It is not used for sighting the rifle itself, only the UGL.

[Red-Phos]

No need to a c*nt now is there?
And the Scotsman comes out rofl

[Troubadour]

It is a replacement for the standard UGL iron sights. It has a reticle pattern derived from the 'less-lethal' shotgun version of the Eotech, which is graduated for the drop of the UGL rounds. It is not used for sighting the rifle itself, only the UGL.

Thats what I figured ,but I didn't know they made an EOtech like that so I was trying to figure out how he aimed his UGL with a regular EOtech. Thank you for a mature reply by the way.

Unlike Ubar who is just too cool for words.

[PUG]

And the Scotsman comes out rofl

Hahaha don't you start mate! :)

[Ubar]

Unlike Ubar who is just too cool for words.

naturalich

[Suicaine]

what mk6 is leaving us? i wonder if the new helmet can take 4 7.62x39mm rounds?.. the new combats look good though and the grip just no..

- Alex.

[Red_Fern]

so he can point where the bangs will happen, superstar
Good call. roflroflroflroflrofl

[GG]

what mk6 is leaving us? i wonder if the new helmet can take 4 7.62x39mm rounds?.. the new combats look good though and the grip just no..

- Alex.

To stop a .30 threat you would need a helmet like this.

[Suicaine]

To stop a .30 threat you would need a helmet like this.
or this.

- Alex.

[Skutatos]

or this.

- Alex.

Helmet wasn't hit by enemy fire, it was a false news story.

[Catch22]

Just to remind you all that most of the modern helmets are rated for IIIA NIJ and about V50 at about 650m/s to 700m/s penetration with 1,1g fragment. ;-)

[Purely Defensive]

The New Camouflage Pattern for the Combats does look like a civilian pattern Girls would wear as a cut down skirt (it repeats very quickly), and the Cover for the Armour is not much better...

I'm sure this is work in progress, .... as for trying to look like an American serviceman... oh well, as we are a War B*t*h what can we do....

Interesting they didn't show a Temperate Combat Uniform and Equipment.. or it that the next War we have not yet been let in on?.

... Decent Two Dress, 68 Pattern Combats, 58 Webbing, SLR's ( Beautiful Rifle), DMS Boots and Putties.. where did the MOD go wrong...I hear old Soldiers say...L.O.L

[OMON]

any new stuff?

[freethinker]

"This boot has been modified to suit women on the front line so its more comfortable." :lol:

[DPM_Sheep]

any new stuff?

From Kitmonster over on ARRSE"


The PECOC helmet is on its forth version at the moment as the result of incremental changes. Next trial due week after next. Its all a good news story at the moment but I think that releasing a non-covered picture would be premature. Small changes may still be in the pipeline and there will be some IPR issues until its all finalised.

Rest assured that as soon as it breaks cover at a trade show or a public briefing I will post a picture.

I was doing some stuff with it abroad at the beginning of the week and someone described it as a cross between 'Ghost Recon computer game helmet and a skateboard helmet; which is a fair comment!

Without wishing to set hares running the extra 'bolt on' bits being designed as part of the head sub-system could put this helmet at the top of the international tree; you\PECOC\we should have high hopes for this helmet; we may be a bit late to the table with it but its shaping up nicely.

As for the Assault Infantry armour its still under raps pending contractual issues; designing the stuff is half the battle, the other half of the fight is managing to buy it. Again looking good and another step towards PECOC.

[OMON]

how does the helmet looks like, a bit like the american ACH ?

[DPM_Sheep]

how does the helmet looks like, a bit like the american ACH ?


Still under wraps, AFAIK. Only the guys working on the project and trials have seen the latest version. KM's comment about the Ghost Recon*/Skateboard helmet is about the best description of it you'll get, atm.

I think he means the one in GRAW2...

[OMON]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2763074385_e13ea2d43f.jpg

you mean like this one ?

[DPM_Sheep]

Sort of, but no. That's a much earlier trials helmet and doesn't really resemble the latest model. Though they do have similarities.

[OMON]

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pecoc_soldier_4.jpghttp://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pecoc_soldier_3.jpghttp://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pecoc-3.jpg

[DPM_Sheep]

Those're third version apparently. They more resemble what forth version is but are far from identical.

[Arfah]

You know, I just can't wait !

[Red_Fern]

As an American, I've followed upgrades and modifications to kit our military has made, and I think it's great to see the our military brothers and sisters of the UK further advancing their war-fighting technologies with all this new kit as well, and it's very interesting to watch and learn about it as it comes out.

So far, I'm liking the revamped Desert DPM. However, I just hope they don't consign DPM to the rubbish bin for some other pattern at a later date... I've always liked DPM. I've read many people were displeased with the Osprey and found it to be more cumbersome and restrictive than maneuverable and efficient in combat, and that being said, I have to say that I am highly impressed with the modifications they've decided to implement into the body armour system to make it more "combat troop friendly".

Anyone have any more information on that Woodland DPM MOLLE plate carrier vest? Is it supposed to be something comparable to the Osprey in a temperate pattern?

[Britboy]

Apparently the woodland body armour isn't a new incarnation of Osprey.
It is PECOC, the new all singing all dancing kit we can expect in the future. I think it is meant to have Osprey-like protection but feel more like ECBA... You can see it is a little like ECBA at least as it has the pull-straps on the sides.

As for Osprey, yes there were a lot of reports about it being heavy and cumbersome, but when I asked one of my guys about this (he having been to Iraq), he said 'its not that bad, you get used to it after awhile', so I suppose you can live with it and operate with it on. And I'm also willing to bet it depends on how you use it - if you just have it and the plates thats one thing, but if you have arm covers, collar, side plates, etc etc then of course its going to be more restrictive. Ah well, I'm sure we will all learn what its like in time! And of course even cumbersome armour beats the alternative of getting wounded or worse...

From ARRSE, there will be a stopgap helmet (SFCT?) and armour (Infantry Assault?) to bridge the time from now (Mk6A and Osprey) until full PECOC comes in. So in the next few years it sounds like there will be a few changes in terms of protection.

I know what you are saying about new kit Red Fern but new kit is rarely a panacea or silver bullet for anything. Of course I completely support getting the best protective gear out to the blokes because anything that mitigates the effects that weapons and bombs have on them is going to be a godsend (just look at how eye protection has shot up in importance of late, and the MoD is on about electronic hearing protection now too), but in terms of this or that set of cammies or boots or torch or whatever, its probably down to personal preference more than any actual advantage.

[OMON]

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pecoc_soldier_2.jpg

[Red_Fern]

Is that the new PLCE system they're talking about implementing? It's supposed to be "multi-area" coloured or something like that. The black yoke is an interesting change. But again, I know it is only a prototype.

The final implementations of this kit is what will really be interesting. Wonder how much it will vary from and/or resemble what we're seeing at present...

[SilentType]

How dark are those laser protective glasses? Can you see through them short of a bright day or are they damn near useless in terms of practical daily wear?

Recently I've been concerned about eye damage from infa-red lasers and visible lasers for that matter from reflection against whatever into my eyes or through some other party shinning it at me.

[Britboy]

I'm pretty sure they're figuring all that out.

Theres a guy over on ARRSE.co.uk, Kitmonster, who works developing this stuff. They've got a LOT of guys from multiple different capbadges testing it so it works for everyone. Sounds like they're going to get this right.

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

heres a few pics lads



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=83489&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1256159357

[DPM_Sheep]

Can hardly see it, mate. :)

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=83488&d=1256159357

[mcantu]

that plate sure is small for that carrier...

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

that plate sure is small for that carrier...

3 diffrent size plates that body armour is a 200 length which is for someone with a long body

[Catch22]

I hate to say it but it seems you guys lag behind a bit with the design. The Morgan Armor plates are good (I've seen the shooting results in our labs), but the carrier is like something that would be a novelty 15 years ago.

Even we, here in PL managed to roll our own system with releasable integrated vest, releasable plate parrier and low profile vest proposed for general issue to everyone.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2358/dsc00005h.th.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/dsc00005h.jpg/)

[Alpha-17]

I was thinking something similar. That vest really reminds me of an early model Interceptor Body Armor vest, albeit with a better designed opening system.

[East Scout]

Good more DPM kit on the surplus market over here...Even PLCE DPM Bergans have shown up over here..

[Hauser]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=83488&d=1256159357

Is this to become the standard issue body armour, if so what happened to the version that's been knocking around for a while, that had more PALS loops and the zip at the top:

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pecoc_soldier_2.jpg

Or are these two different versions for different uses?

Also, heres's a couple of grainy photos of a vest and webbing set for pecoc, with 'hypalon' non-slip pannels:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1476/pecocvest.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4650/pecocrig.jpg

[DPM_Sheep]

Err, the top shot of the body armour is more or less the same as what ABJ posted but with a different fasterner. Attachments were cut down to reduce snagging and because field trials showed there were too many anyway.

The other two shots are of the trials Modular Assault Vest and webbing and have been posted several times. :)

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

Err, the top shot of the body armour is more or less the same as what ABJ posted but with a different fasterner. Attachments were cut down to reduce snagging and because field trials showed there were too many anyway.

The other two shots are of the trials Modular Assault Vest and webbing and have been posted several times. :)

lads have a look on the the pecoc thread ive tried to copy it across but being a computer mong its not happening!

[DPM_Sheep]

You mean these? (crossposted from ARRSE)

First up, two shot of the interim Mk.7 helmet (AC/900)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7305/mk7t.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5756/mk7interior.jpg

Followed by two shots of the new PECOC Helmet... which'll probably now be called the Mk.8.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7677/pecochelmet.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5305/pecocinterior.jpg

...and one more of the PECOC Body Armour in Hybrid DPM.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9545/pecocbaa.jpg

[Sabre]

That front fastnening is pretty poor. It looks like the front and back 'wings' just slide loosely over eachother.... :|

[DPM_Sheep]

That front fastnening is pretty poor. It looks like the front and back 'wings' just slide loosely over eachother.... :|

Not sure, as I didn't take the pics. I'll ask in the ARRSE thread. ABJ might know though.

[Sabre]

Actually, the more I look at it, the more crap it looks.

Who actually 'designs' this kit?

The bloke must have come in late one morning, looked at the UOR, bought an XXL vest from primark and cut the sides open. Bob's your uncle, theres the new armour vest design. Just stick a couple velcro straps like on the CBA and your done in time for a cheeky lunch down weatherspoons.....and it's curry thursday! Life is good...

...unless you have to actually wear it in anger...

[Catch22]

Whoever does this to you guys -get rid of him, and fast. This is a step back.

[PUG]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8406/army20boys.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/i/army20boys.jpg/)

Sack of wank. The kit, not the child.

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

you mean these? (crossposted from arrse)

first up, two shot of the interim mk.7 helmet (ac/900)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7305/mk7t.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5756/mk7interior.jpg

followed by two shots of the new pecoc helmet... Which'll probably now be called the mk.8.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7677/pecochelmet.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5305/pecocinterior.jpg

...and one more of the pecoc body armour in hybrid dpm.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9545/pecocbaa.jpg


how the **** did these end ip on arse from my phone...........gen!

[Ubar]

you left bluetooth on

[CMNot]

how the **** did these end ip on arse from my phone...........gen!

More to the point, I hope you didn't have any compromising pics of your wife on it either p-)

[Skutatos]

It looks like you would have very little choice on where to put your pouches and gear unless you were to wear some sort of "assault vest". That vest design just isn't making a whole lot of sense to me.

[Bisley_Bob]

That vest looks like a pile of gash to me. It's got pretty much the same old thin velcro straps that CBA has, they always seem to pop open for me. It also seems wierd that the shoulders have no ajustability to tailor the fit. I take it the cumberband idea that was raved about on the new version of osprey has just been sacked off. This looks like typical British procurement to me, design something good then make it at least 25% cheaper by any means nessicary. The images of the earlier vest versions were looking so promising as well.

[DPM_Sheep]

The images of the earlier vest versions were looking so promising as well.

It's the same vest. Just with the bottom three strips of loops removed and the zip moved to the inside to discourage people from using it as a pocket.

The real difference is the improved plate, though I think this is also a small sized one.

Seriously, the best place to get the gen from is the PECOC thread on ARRSE, both Gear Spotter and Kit Monster have worked on this and they can answer your questions far better and ably than some random Crab on MP.net. :)

[havoc2k7]

Hey is that some kind of new gas mask in the top right of the first image? Anyone know anything about it, s10 replacment mabye?

[Scorchio]

Hey is that some kind of new gas mask in the top right of the first image? Anyone know anything about it, s10 replacment mabye?

General Service Respirator (GSR) by Scott Health & Safety Ltd.

It's meant to have been replacing the S10 for a couple of years now but IIRC there were a number of problems with its durability that needed to be resolved.

[havoc2k7]

Thanks that helps :)