From Russia with hate (Documentary Video, viewer descreation is advised)

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://current.com/items/84906361_from_russia_with_hate


Don't know how to imbed video,


Rest In Peace to the victims,


Allah Rahmet Eyelsin,

[matthew.manhorn]

16:07 was that a Russian passport or a Caucasus one?

omg why did the guy bring his passport with him? Do Russian Nazis beat up tourists as well?

[Alexandr]

They are not Nazis,they are racist.They ideology is globalistic "White Power" Wester European movement,that have nothing with Natsionalism,or with WW2 era Natzism.

[Mr.Flint]

They are not Nazis,they are racist.They ideology is globalistic "White Power" Wester European movement,that have nothing with Natsionalism,or with WW2 era Natzism.
Sigh, this the most stupid statement ive ever heard in regards to these groups...

Followers of Hitlers ideology are not Nazis?

People who cry Russia for Russians, are not Nationalists?

Hell they even call themselves Nazis!

this is like saying that Aryan Nations arent Nazi's they are just members of the "globalistic "White Power" Wester European movement"...

[Alexandr]

Sigh, this the most stupid statement ive ever heard in regards to these groups...

Followers of Hitlers ideology are not Nazis?

People who cry Russia for Russians, are not Nationalists?

Hell they even call themselves Nazis!

this is like saying that Aryan Nations arent Nazi's they are just members of the "globalistic "White Power" Wester European movement"...


White Power comes from England,and have nothing with Hitler ideology
Hitler counted Russians as "untermenshens".
For normal Russian - anyone who consider himself Russian - is Russian.
For that scumbags - only white is "pure"
They can call themselfs as they wish,it does not make them Nazis.

and btw,jews are proper nation for them.not single orginaized "action" against jews in Russia,not counting some several separated nutshels cases

[Mr.Flint]

White Power comes from England,and have nothing with Hitler ideology
Lol what? are you confusing White Power movements with Skinhead movements?
Because its the Skinhead movement comes from England, but it had nothing to do with White Power....


Hitler counted Russians as "untermenshens".
Apparently that matters little to those fellas who love to read Mein Kampf , write their own Der Sturmer, and celebrate Hitlers birthday.



For normal Russian - anyone who consider himself Russian - is Russian. Who said anything different?


For that scumbags - only white is "pure"
They can call themselfs as they wish,it does not make them Nazis.
But it does. Why do you think they arent Nazis? What, only Germans can be Nazis?



and btw,jews are proper nation for them.not single orginaized "action" against jews in Russia,not counting some several separated nutshels cases
Bullcrap. The fact that they havent managed a pogrom against jews doesnt make them any less anti semitic.
the presence of Black Hundreth flags also speaks for itself.

[StalinOrgel]

Low living standarts is fertile soil for alcoholism, drug abuse and racial intolerance.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Low living standarts is fertile soil for alcoholism, drug abuse and racial intolerance.

True, they usually have no jobs as well, makes me think why don't they join the armed forces? What I am trying to say is they could do other things but this seems to interest them.


Hitler got into power as well didn't he?

[aed1980]

These are sick fvcks, you have them all around the world.
The only problem is that authorities dont take them too seriously, that makes them a future threat.

[Karaahmetoglu]

^^^They have a political party which is really weird. That flag that guy had in the Duma, where have I seen it else where seems like I have seen it else where.

I dunno if these guys are attacking Jews as much as Central Asians (Turks, Iranians) and Caucasians (Georgians and Turks, Chechens). These guys seem hard pressed on colored people they don't ever mention the Jews, so it does seem like they are White Supremacists, but why should they use the name Nazi and not white supremacist, you can't tell the difference between a Jew and a Russian, I know because I know few Russian Jews.

[LineDoggie]

White Power comes from England,and have nothing with Hitler ideology
Hitler counted Russians as "untermenshens".
For normal Russian - anyone who consider himself Russian - is Russian.
For that scumbags - only white is "pure"
They can call themselfs as they wish,it does not make them Nazis.

and btw,jews are proper nation for them.not single orginaized "action" against jews in Russia,not counting some several separated nutshels cases

You dont think perhaps that Odd Looking Cross in the beginning with the thin outline does not bear a striking similarity to a Certain German National Insignia circa 1939-45?

[especial]

^^^They have a political party which is really weird. That flag that guy had in the Duma, where have I seen it else where seems like I have seen it else where.

I dunno if these guys are attacking Jews as much as Central Asians (Turks, Iranians) and Caucasians (Georgians and Turks, Chechens). These guys seem hard pressed on colored people they don't ever mention the Jews, so it does seem like they are White Supremacists, but why should they use the name Nazi and not white supremacist, you can't tell the difference between a Jew and a Russian, I know because I know few Russian Jews.
That flag is the Romanov flag. It is suppose to represent Russian royal family/imperilism.

[LineDoggie]

Low living standarts is fertile soil for alcoholism, drug abuse and racial intolerance.

So True............................

[aed1980]

^^^They have a political party which is really weird. That flag that guy had in the Duma, where have I seen it else where seems like I have seen it else where.

I dunno if these guys are attacking Jews as much as Central Asians (Turks, Iranians) and Caucasians (Georgians and Turks, Chechens). These guys seem hard pressed on colored people they don't ever mention the Jews, so it does seem like they are White Supremacists, but why should they use the name Nazi and not white supremacist, you can't tell the difference between a Jew and a Russian, I know because I know few Russian Jews.


check this short film, its very powerful, and it kinda sumarise racial hate, and anti-semitism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpjHSiQLPmA

[Hollis]

These are sick fvcks, you have them all around the world.
The only problem is that authorities dont take them too seriously, that makes them a future threat.

That is exactly the point they are not just a Russian problem, they are all over. We had them here. Several years back, a Ethiopian man was murder by skin heads about 80 miles from me.

I think part of the problem with authority is getting sufficient evidence to arrest and convict them. Also in the prisons they group together.

[especial]

These are sick fvcks, you have them all around the world.
The only problem is that authorities dont take them too seriously, that makes them a future threat.
It is because they are a threat to any non-whites. most russian authorities are white. But really this problem is not only in russia. The main problem is that half of all skin heads are in russia and that hitler viewed every russian as scum. So if hitler had won the war most of the russian people would not be here.

[Alexandr]

Mr.Flint
you puttin all rotten eggs on one basket.
We have rasist(this video)
We have extristic natsionalists.
They are different.
Not goin to argue,just trying to explain situation.

Wanna see Nazis?
here you go - China Nazis.
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/i/g/igni_ss/200511720574057251_G.jpg
http://media.eblog.ru/112007/26/funpic4.jpg

Nazi movement,as well as White-Power is anti-nationalistic,but globalistic.

[T-Rex]

I've always had something against these type of documentaries. I feel sorry for those two guys who were executed at the end of the movie. It's nothing less than terrorism.

[The Balkan]

Saying they're not "officialy" Nazis is kind of stupid since they see themsevles as that, use Nazi gestures and symbols, follow their ideology (except of course the part about Hitler hating Slavs and wanting them to be a slave class, guess they missed that one, hence the hillarious irony of RUSSIAN NAZIS) and they even celebrate his birthday with a good old fashioned attack on immigrants.

I'm curious as to why the hell a Black man (or anyone besides the ones that come from countries near by) would even want to come to Russia to live. To go to school? Pick somewhere else for the love of God Lol.

Lmao @ the irony of having Stalin on the wall, a guy wasn't an ethnic Russian.

[Mr.Flint]

Mr.Flint
you puttin all rotten eggs on one basket.
Actually i dont.


We have rasist(this video)
We have extristic natsionalists.
They are different.
Not goin to argue,just trying to explain situation.

But you aint explaining it.
The ones in the video are Nazi's, rasists and, since you insist to separate Nazism form nationalism, nationalists (The flags mate the flags)



Wanna see Nazis?
here you go - China Nazis.
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/i/g/igni_ss/200511720574057251_G.jpg
http://media.eblog.ru/112007/26/funpic4.jpg
Thank you for showing your ignorance.
Do you even know what is the real Skinhead movement?



Nazi movement,as well as White-Power is anti-nationalistic,but globalistic.
Incorrect again. If we follow your logic, Mussolini (a nationalist) wouldnt have ever allied Hitler (according to you anti-nationalist)

[Alexandr]

Saying they're not "officialy" Nazis is kind of stupid since they see themsevles as that, use Nazi gestures and symbols, follow their ideology (except of course the part about Hitler hating Slavs and wanting them to be a slave class, guess they missed that one, hence the hillarious irony of RUSSIAN NAZIS) and they even celebrate his birthday with a good old fashioned attack on immigrants.

I'm curious as to why the hell a Black man (or anyone besides the ones that come from countries near by) would even want to come to Russia to live. To go to school? Pick somewhere else for the love of God Lol.

Hitlers main enemyes - slavs & jews.
Hitlers main supporters on ocupaeed lands - ethnic separatists groups

Boneheads you called nazis main enemyes - ethic separatists groups.
Boneheads you called nazis mainly slavs,loyal to jews.


All that crosses,main campf stuff,ect - just a fashion ..Ideology is abslutely different.
We have Nazis as well,small number,mostly in western part.They are just non-dangerous fetishists.

MrFlint
im not arguing with you,sorry,you trying to make labels on things wich not suits those labels at all.Its like a 700-page dicussion on music forums -"What Slayer plays - metall or hardcore " - entertaining,but not productive.

[Mr.Flint]

Hitlers main enemyes - slavs & jews. Wrong.
Jews, Gypsies, Communists, etc.
Slavs were the slave folk.
Should i remind you of ROA and RC?



Hitlers main supporters on ocupaeed lands - ethnic separatists groups
Funny that the Slav enemy was part of these groups... Ukranians, Russians...
ROA and RC again.



Boneheads you called nazis main enemyes - ethic separatists groups.
Boneheads you called nazis mainly slavs,loyal to jews.Are you kidding?
Funny that their websites say completely the opposite...




All that crosses,main campf stuff,ect - just a fashion ..Ideology is abslutely different.
We have Nazis as well,small number,mostly in western part.They are just non-dangerous fetishists.
You are alarmingly naive.



MrFlint
im not arguing with you,sorry,you trying to make labels on things wich not suits those labels at all.Its like a 700-page dicussion on music forums -"What Slayer plays - metall or hardcore " - entertaining,but not productive.
Really and why they do not fit those labels? especially when they apply those labels to themselves?
You know the problem here is not me making unsuitable labels, but your rather surprising ignorance of said labels.
Im sorry, but there is no other words, but ignorance to describe your thinking, that Skinheads=Nazis - Chinese Skinheads=Chinese Nazis.

[aed1980]

Hey flint, these guy alexandr tries to defend russia, and ends up defending these fvcking pussies, that cant beat an old man mano a mano.

[KuroiRyu]

This is a huge problem that is growing up strongly with the Russian teenagers. Actually, Russia is the country were there is the big nazi community, at least 30.000. Every month there are savage kills of blacks, turks, caucasian and asian especially in Western Russia such S.Petersburg, Moscow...

Yes, their hate for foreigners is extreme, and there were cases also that they attacked tourists.

Is a dangerous problem, plus if you think that that country have thousands of nukes.

Thank you for post it, TURK.

[The Balkan]

[/b]Wrong.
Jews, Gypsies, Communists, etc.
Slavs were the slave folk.
Should i remind you of ROA and RC?


[/b]Funny that the Slav enemy was part of these groups... Ukranians, Russians...
ROA and RC again.


[/b]Are kidding?
Funny that their websites say completely the opposite...



You are alarmingly naive.

He seems to be in denial for some sort of reason.

Anyway, Hitlers plan for Slavs was kill majority, use the rest as a slave class.

[Mr.Flint]

Hey flint, these guy alexandr tries to defend russia, and ends up defending these fvcking pussies, that cant beat an old man mano a mano.
Yup.
I think someone posted here a video once, of a rare case of a lone Nazi attacking a cadet, and getting owned...

[Karaahmetoglu]

Where not talking about WW2 here we are talking about Nazism in Russia, you cannot deny this happening and word is spreading pretty fast in Central Asian countries, an Uzbek friend of mine says that he has met people saying they are too scared to go back/to Russia, because they are worried about attacks from these people.

[asch]

Where not talking about WW2 here we are talking about Nazism in Russia, you cannot deny this happening and word is spreading pretty fast in Central Asian countries, an Uzbek friend of mine says that he has met people saying they are too scared to go back/to Russia, because they are worried about attacks from these people.
it's more a work of mass-media than actual menace.
but, of course, what do i know, judging from personal experience only?
p-)

[The Balkan]

Right. And the Russians interviewd in the movie who are actualy involved in this, don't know from personal experience.

[INAT]

The whole fascist thing is super idiotic if they knew what their Slavic
fathers died fighting against.

But

Low Slavic birthrate is my major worry for Russia
and Slavs in Europe in general.

Nashi will not turn that around in a generation or two.Something radical must be done.

Slavs start f***ing like rabbits so we survive.

[Kaapeli]

The whole fascist thing is super idiotic if they knew what their Slavic
fathers died fighting against.

But

Low Slavic birthrate is my major worry for Russia
and Slavs in Europe in general.

Nashi will not turn that around in a generation or two.Something radical must be done.

Are you some kind of a Slavic supremacist? Russia is home to over a hundred ethnic minorites and indegenous peoples. You should worry about THEIR survival.
Take for example the many Samoyedic peoples whom there are only a few hundred left.
Slavs form the largest population in the Russian federation are in no danger of extinction.


Slavs start f***ing like rabbits so we survive.

Survive? Are you kidding?
Russia has a population of over 140 million. That's one of the most populous nations (9th to be precise) in the world. Talking about survival is ridiculous with that population size when over 90% of the worlds nations have smaller populations and I don't think there are more than a couple micronations that are in any serious danger of disappearing.
Even if the Russian population dropped significantly it would still remain huge.
You're not being realistic at all.

[INAT]

Are you some kind of a Slavic supremacist? Russia is home to over a hundred ethnic minorites and indegenous peoples. You should worry about THEIR survival.
Take for example the many Samoyedic peoples whom there are only a few hundred left.
Slavs form the largest population in the Russian federation are in no danger of extinction.



Survive? Are you kidding?
Russia has a population of over 140 million. That's one of the most populous nations (9th to be precise) in the world. Talking about survival is ridiculous with that population size when over 90% of the worlds nations have smaller populations and I don't think there are more than a couple micronations that are in any serious danger of disappearing.
Even if the Russian population dropped significantly it would still remain huge.
You're not being realistic at all.



Sarcastic? Who knows Slavicia STRONG!!!!!

Half the Russian armed forces will be Muslims (over half soon).

Look at Orthodox Slavs then Muslims .Tell me everything is fine cause I want to hear it.



@Snoshi But this statement is incorrect.. At least i can easily spot a Jewish person in a crowd of Slavic onces.

There is a joke to be found in the statement.

[Snoshi]

I dunno if these guys are attacking Jews as much as Central Asians (Turks, Iranians) and Caucasians (Georgians and Turks, Chechens). These guys seem hard pressed on colored people they don't ever mention the Jews, so it does seem like they are White Supremacists, but why should they use the name Nazi and not white supremacist, you can't tell the difference between a Jew and a Russian, I know because I know few Russian Jews.

Again.. Its true that Skinheads sometimes have problem to see who is a Jew..

you can't tell the difference between a Jew and a Russian, I know because I know few Russian Jews.

But this statement is incorrect.. At least i can easily spot a Jewish person in a crowd of Slavic onces.

[Lokos]

Half the Russian armed forces will be Muslims (over half soon).


You really should retain some skepticism, INAT.

L.

[INAT]

You really should retain some skepticism, INAT.

L.


Coming from you one of a handful of memebers I truly respect
OK I will.

Remember in America selling fear is part of life.

[The Dane]

Coming from you one of a handful of memebers I truly respect
OK I will.

Remember in America selling fear is part of life.

Drugs... ???

[INAT]

Drugs... ???



You? Don't waste my time or your time.Come back when you have value
and are not afraid to speak.You always post a word or two that is it.

Either you are scared to speak your mind or you have nothing to say.


No one will ever agree fully. From day 1 I have tried to stay away from anything you are near.

[The Dane]

You? Don't waste my time or your time.Come back when you have value
and are not afraid to speak.You always post a word or two that is it.

Either you are scared to speak your mind or you have nothing to say.


No one will ever agree fully. From day 1 I have tried to stay away from anything you are near.
You just wasted you time mate... :)

[Kaapeli]

Half the Russian armed forces will be Muslims (over half soon).

Look at Orthodox Slavs then Muslims .Tell me everything is fine cause I want to hear it.

Before I tell you everything is fine I need to understand what you think is wrong first.

I'm really confused. You're talking about Slavs and Muslims. But Slavs are an ethnicity and a language when Islam is a religion. Russian muslims come from several different ethnicities.
Majority of Russian muslims are indigenous peoples of the federation (like Tatars). Why do you have a problem with these people even if they were numerous in the Russian armed forces? These people are Russians too and many have lived in the area even before Slavic migrations. And somehow you seem to dislike them? Racism?

[The Dane]

Before I tell you everything is fine I need to understand what you think is wrong first.

I'm really confused. You're talking about Slavs and Muslims. But Slavs are an ethnicity and a language when Islam is a religion. Russian muslims come from several different ethnicities.
Majority of Russian muslims are indigenous peoples of the federation (like Tatars). Why do you have a problem with these people even if they were numerous in the Russian armed forces? These people are Russians too and many have lived in the area even before Slavic migrations. And somehow you seem to dislike them? Racism?

Not racism, respect for the heaven which they moon 5 times a day.

[INAT]

Before I tell you everything is fine I need to understand what you think is wrong first.

I'm really confused. You're talking about Slavs and Muslims. But Slavs are an ethnicity and a language when Islam is a religion. Russian muslims come from several different ethnicities.
Majority of Russian muslims are indigenous peoples of the federation (like Tatars). Why do you have a problem with these people even if they were numerous in the Russian armed forces? These people are Russians too and many have lived in the area even before Slavic migrations. And somehow you seem to dislike them? Racism?


Kaapeli I understand this.I am to tired but would love to talk more
later in the day.Thank you I guess I was not specific.I meant Pravoslavni(Orthodox vs Islam).I do not dislike them I don't know them how can I dislike them? Racism? No I am not from the former USSR but birds of a feather do generally stick together.Sorry I am beat, talk soon to clear up.
I am humble to learn.


@Danskeren I AM NOT MUSLIM you silly mofo.

[asch]

Right. And the Russians interviewd in the movie who are actualy involved in this, don't know from personal experience.
i know that "skinhead problem" that our city had ~3-5 years ago, now is virtually non-existant.
but i'm sure you don't believe it because it's paint a little more positive picture of modern Russia. cheers.

[zxc]

i know that "skinhead problem" that our city had ~3-5 years ago, now is virtually non-existant.
but i'm sure you don't believe it because it's paint a little more positive picture of modern Russia. cheers.


I haven't visited Russia for a very long time, so I don't know. But I hope it's true what you said asch.
But yeah, the fact that they are Russian NAZIS is hilarious, but also frightning. During the Soviet Union, no one would have ever thought of racial attacks to happen.

[matthew.manhorn]

Those guys did the wrong Hitler salute anyway

[Mr.Flint]

i know that "skinhead problem" that our city had ~3-5 years ago, now is virtually non-existant.
but i'm sure you don't believe it because it's paint a little more positive picture of modern Russia. cheers.
Disappearance of skins doesnt mean the nazis are gone.
You seems to ignore the fact that they even have supporters in the government...

BTW why are you all so defensive of it? You have a problem whether its visible or not, and it doesnt look like your government really wants to deal with it.

[aed1980]

Are you some kind of a Slavic supremacist? Russia is home to over a hundred ethnic minorites and indegenous peoples. You should worry about THEIR survival.
Take for example the many Samoyedic peoples whom there are only a few hundred left.
Slavs form the largest population in the Russian federation are in no danger of extinction.



Survive? Are you kidding?
Russia has a population of over 140 million. That's one of the most populous nations (9th to be precise) in the world. Talking about survival is ridiculous with that population size when over 90% of the worlds nations have smaller populations and I don't think there are more than a couple micronations that are in any serious danger of disappearing.
Even if the Russian population dropped significantly it would still remain huge.
You're not being realistic at all.

russia is a populous nation, but when people talk about worrying signs in their demographics, they are talking about this.

Population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population) - 2008 estimate142,008,838[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#cite_note-demo-2) (9th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population))

- 2002 census145,166,731[4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#cite_note-3)


Lower birth rates and higher death rates reduced Russia's population at a 0.5% annual rate, or about 750,000 to 800,000 people per year during the late 1990s and most of the 2000s. The UN warned that Russia's 2005 population of about 143 million could fall by a third by 2050.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#cite_note-t-9)

[Karaahmetoglu]

Again.. Its true that Skinheads sometimes have problem to see who is a Jew..


But this statement is incorrect.. At least i can easily spot a Jewish person in a crowd of Slavic onces.

Your a Jew I am not, you have much better Jew radar then me.




Half the Russian armed forces will be Muslims (over half soon).


@Snoshi But this statement is incorrect.. At least i can easily spot a Jewish person in a crowd of Slavic onces.

There is a joke to be found in the statement.

Just curious but what ethnicity will be most of the Muslims Tatars (and other Turkic groups or Chechens?).

You are a slav I am not you have a much better Slav Radar then me.

[Hollis]

You? Don't waste my time or your time.Come back when you have value
and are not afraid to speak.You always post a word or two that is it.

Either you are scared to speak your mind or you have nothing to say.


No one will ever agree fully. From day 1 I have tried to stay away from anything you are near.


Let me suggest that you use the ignore function rather posting some crap like this.

[Van Gogh]

These are sick fvcks, you have them all around the world.
The only problem is that authorities dont take them too seriously, that makes them a future threat.

the authorities don't take them seriously because the authorities are white just like them.

[Raven_gr]

I just watched the video and I am appalled from what I saw. One could think that after what Russia suffered in WW2 the would be the last of people to have neo-nazi's. The grandfathers of these A-holes fought against this monstrous ideology and they embrace it? How f.cked up can you be? Estimations aside these Russian Nazi's share the same agenda and reasons for their existence with the similar other neonazi groups in Europe. I've been to Magdeburg Germany a couple of years back at a time when in the municipal elections NPD scored 17% and from my own experience they seem identical to them aside from the historical link. The police's actions are also quite similar. In fact when in Germany no foreigner really trusted the police to help them if they were attacked by skinheads. We could only trust other foreigners in the country for help, since we knew they shared the same problems. In fact there were instances when Turks helped Greeks and vice versa. The police doesn't sympathize with them because they are white, but because they they are from different ethnic origin. Being white is just garnish to being Russian to them. If a foreigner is white first and foremost he is foreign and will still be attacked white or not.

[non]

Weren't there a few in Israel a while back?

[DID]

as it was say on video, theses peoples are bored kids that live in bad social conditions. they simply recruited and brainwashed to become paranoia and racist. (paramilitary training, assault on single foreigners...) but for be more objective we have to look on the peoples that have interest to keep theses brainwashed groups? is it govt? but this also show the real problem of Russia society now after communism era, the vacum that fall of Soviet Union left peoples to their own and they join neo-nazis or wathever will give them feeling to be part of something.

[zxc]

as it was say on video, theses peoples are bored kids that live in bad social conditions. they simply recruited and brainwashed to become paranoia and racist. (paramilitary training, assault on single foreigners...) but for be more objective we have to look on the peoples that have interest to keep theses brainwashed groups? is it govt? but this also show the real problem of Russia society now after communism era, the vacum that fall of Soviet Union left peoples to their own and they join neo-nazis or wathever will give them feeling to be part of something.

Maybe for some people the ideological pride has turned into extreme nationalism pride when communism collapsed?

[CHERK]

Disappearance of skins doesnt mean the nazis are gone.
You seems to ignore the fact that they even have supporters in the government...

BTW why are you all so defensive of it? You have a problem whether its visible or not, and it doesnt look like your government really wants to deal with it.

I agree with asch it is less noticeable.

It is dumb to talk about any major Nazi organizations in Russia, some of these attacks are done by drunk football hooligans the rest are small skinheads groups and other fuсkwits of the sort.

Can you give me an example of Nazi supporters in the government?

Yes, there is a problem, but it’s not as bad as media outcries are.

Tr.: “In 2008, cases of the racial/nationalistic hatred are on the decrease. In Moscow, attacks by skinheads are cut by 50%.”
It is only one source, but never the less.
Only in Russian http://lenta.ru/news/2008/09/20/skin/

[DID]

Maybe for some people the ideological pride has turned into extreme nationalism pride when communism collapsed?
X2.
And yes it was a few neo-nazis from former SU that came to Israel and do the same agressing peoples and making Heil Hitler salute in the country of Jews... But they have been arrested and some of them send back to Russia.

[drunken sailor]

The problem with these groups is that they even link themselves with Hitler. Most of the industrial nations have the same problem as Russia. America is being overran by Mexicans who work for pennies. They run down the neighborhoods that they choose to dwell in, Swamp out schools and hospitals all while its the hard working Americans who are paying for it not the illegal who pays no taxes. If these groups would stop linking themselves with Hitler and show hate for the Jews I think there would be massive support for them everywhere.

Many scholars have said that the fastest way to kill a nation is to wipe out its identity by importing cheap migrant workers who are less educated.

While I do not condone any killing and can not stand Nazis, I do see the problem and know where these guys are coming from. Putin just may be sympathetic to this group because of his strong nationalistic feelings and given that they are still alive after saying that they want to take over I would bet on it.

[Drako]

Neo-nazis are everywhere. But not everywhere people are killed so often by them, that's why Russian ones are more famous.

[Ulytau]

Neo-nazis are everywhere. But not everywhere people are killed so often by them, that's why Russian ones are more famous.

There was another documentary movie about them ''As i know Nashi groups staying aganist em too'' they mostly looking like Wild dogs attackin with a group but i seen how brave they are when they are alone too..

Funny thing they attackin ethnical people but at last Russia-Georgia war we seen many ethnic people in Russian army..

Easy to see who cares about Glory of Russia..

[LEGEND]

The problem has to be addressed by giving these guys hope for better future and purpose in their lives besides joining these cults. The government has to sponsor sports sections, create more jobs, a career in the army, give them some form of occupation. In an atmosphere of joblessness, alcoholism and no hope for bright future, joining these cults makes them feel important, gives them purpose for a greater cause in life, just like jihadis recruit suicide bombers.

[koalorka]

It's Russia, which is a Russian country as far as I know. Their playground, their rules, they get to choose what their demographic composition is. It's all very simple.

[Snoshi]

I agree with asch it is less noticeable.

It is dumb to talk about any major Nazi organizations in Russia, some of these attacks are done by drunk football hooligans the rest are small skinheads groups and other fuсkwits of the sort.

Can you give me an example of Nazi supporters in the government?

Yes, there is a problem, but it’s not as bad as media outcries are.

Tr.: “In 2008, cases of the racial/nationalistic hatred are on the decrease. In Moscow, attacks by skinheads are cut by 50%.”
It is only one source, but never the less.
Only in Russian http://lenta.ru/news/2008/09/20/skin/

Just because crimes dont get reported doesent mean that they are gone..

[CHERK]

Just because crimes dont get reported doesent mean that they are gone..

In this case my observations and others correlate with statistics so I tend to believe in it.

[asch]

Just because crimes dont get reported doesent mean that they are gone..
oh man.
just because you want to believe in a total mess here doesn't mean that it's true.
all in all, i find your view of modern RF kinda comic book style. just add bears on the streets and you get a complete picture.
p-)

[Pvt.Anderson]

Stereotyping generally is a bad thing, but it is not "Snoshi" or anybody else on this forum that created certain estimates that the Russian neonazi scene is the world's biggest nowadays, and as sad as it may sound, it seems to be reality.

[sepheronx]

Stereotyping generally is a bad thing, but it is not "Snoshi" or anybody else on this forum that created certain estimates that the Russian neonazi scene is the world's biggest nowadays, and as sad as it may sound, it seems to be reality.

Are you in Russia?

Because some things are concentrated on media, doesn't even mean it is all of Russia.

I can say the same about the southern United States, where everyone hates black people and are ignorant slobs with no education.

I have family whom lives in Russia, and they have a high "brown people" population and also Asian population. Do you really think they all get beaten up?

This thread is full of BS and fail.

[Pvt.Anderson]

You are making one mistake:

Neither did I say that ALL Russians were neonazis or racist, nor did I say the majority were so.
It is, however, a fact that the Russian naonazi scene is among the world's biggest, if not the world's biggest.
Estimates say 50000-70000, and that is quite a high number taking into consideration that slavic people were looked down at by the nazis and considered "subhumans".

[Snoshi]

oh man.
just because you want to believe in a total mess here doesn't mean that it's true.
all in all, i find your view of modern RF kinda comic book style. just add bears on the streets and you get a complete picture.
p-)

Asch we all know that Neo-Nazi problem is huge in Russia. Its just on the "western" boards that most Russian members dont want to fully admit it, but on Russian boards it is discussed lively.

[Mr.Flint]

In this case my observations and others correlate with statistics so I tend to believe in it.

Im curious why that organization doesnt have a disclaimer in regards to the unreported incidents?

Have a look at this
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/rs/rep-rap/1995/wd95_11-dt95_11/p2_2.html

its old, but its quite relevant, since it explains the dynamics and difficulties of hate crime statistics.

One simply cannot have a simpleton view that if its not reported in the statistics it never happens...


Extrapolating from research in other countries, it would appear that only a small percentage of hate motivated crimes -- perhaps one incident in ten -- are ever reported to the criminal justice system

[asch]

Asch we all know that Neo-Nazi problem is huge in Russia. Its just on the "western" boards that most Russian members dont want to fully admit it, but on Russian boards it is discussed lively.
Nazi troubles was notable ~2-3 years ago. not now, not in this part of Russia, not in my city. it's just judging from personal experience. feel free to believe or not.

[RA88IT]

Errr. Sick ass people. What really bothers me is Hitler is rotting away in Hell laughing at these SOBs. Everyone is arguing what hate crime it is. What I saw was a Iron Cross, Nazi Symbols, skinheads, and and a **** load of Hitler Salutes.

So in the end its NEO NAZIS.

[Mastermind]

I watched the video and have had some special training in this sort of behavior. First, let me preface what I am about to say: Racism is blatantly wrong. I despise anyone who would attack another human being just because of their color or their language or their race or their religion....Anyone!

Now, for the open minded part that most people will not understand. There is nothing wrong with nationalism or racial pride. It is part of the human condition to be proud of your heritage and to want to preserve it. Too many ancestors have died and sacrificed everything to make a nation and to just see it slipping into history (as most nations do) is to yearn for it's preservation. The same is true of one's race. I see black people here in the USA who are vehemently and quite openly proud of their race. I support that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, here is where skin head hatred comes in...as a White, if I were to act in the very same way as Blacks do on June Teenth, or MLK Day or as Mexicans do on Sinco Demayo...I would very likely be put on some kind of watch list. I resent that. Most whites resent that. If any person of color can demonstrate racial pride, why can't white people? This causes the "White Pride" to go underground and to be expressed in many ways...most of which is not violent...but much of it is very wrong....it becomes covert racism when youths, who are deeply frustrated and bothered that they see minorities and people of color getting breaks they could only dream about. As a contractor, of white color, I was automatically given a 5% penalty in favor of Black or minority contractors in all bid processes. That's racism and I don't care what color it is...doing that is open state sanctioned racism. My kids applied to get into university. They were denied many grants and special loans and scholarships because they were listed as White for Race. When my youngest son began his applications for university, I told him to fill out all documents as though he were black...he was immediately granted full equal status as a minority ahead of his white class mates who applied as whites...that's racism and it is wrong...but, since it is state sanctioned racism, what are white people to do?

I'll tell you how it is- it is resulting in a growing group of white "Supremacist" who are violent, angry, and acting out in ways we once saw the minorities acting out...in fact in ways we still see many minorities acting out against whites. Racism begets racism.

Some day, our elected leaders, not only here in the USA but in Russia, too, will realize the damage they have done. I personally know of supervisors who will not hesitate to being criticism on a person of color...but look the other way when it is a white...I challenge them on this...they tell me, "I have to do my part to help level the playing field." They are wrong...but, in some ways, it's understandable, they are merely reacting in a human way. I know of businessmen...hell one is even a black man, who will scrutinize any application from a person of color to find a way to avoid hiring them. Why? See above. I also know of several police officers who will hardly bother to look for a perp who has attacked a person of color...why? See above. It is all very, very damaging and it is disgustingly wrong. But, there it is...and I can clearly sympathize (not condone...but understand) where the men in the video are getting their motivation to do the things they are doing.

In prison, people congregate naturally with their own color, religion and race. I would watch the dramatic and pretty frightening constant intimidation practices of the blacks...they are very organized, very persistent and very mutually supportive...you do not mess with blacks in prison...you WILL get your ass beat. The Mexican, or Hispanics in general, are not overly supportive of each other....they do their own time in smaller groups, and they might just as well attack each other. But, individually, they are probably the most racially proud. They have a mutual respect and have great honor...self respect. They still have Machismo...first they are a man, then Mexican or Hispanic...because they are Hispanic, they are expected to be manly and demand respect. You can get your ass beat simply because you did not recognize an offer of friendship. A man of Hispanic heritage, especially from the old country, will sacrifice everything to preserve his honor...and I mean to the death! If a racist group like La Raza (The Race) come in or Hispanic gangs, then things change to the more violent nature of it.

Indians, North American type, have a deep inner spiritual pride and they are very patient. If you disrespect them individually, they will accept it. But, if you disrespect the heritage of the Indian you have made a grave mistake....he will wait for you at his time and place and he will show you what you have done in error.

Whites...now there are a bunch of folks who just don't really know what to do. They don't seem to have any self respect or racial pride. You can insult their country, their ancestors, their mothers, their race and they are as apt to laugh at you as to agree with you. When one white is sectioned out for punishment, the other whites are ambivalent about it...When two or three white boys get together, they are most likely playing cards or talking about women...and they seldom cause trouble in the prison as a group....But, let a few skin heads come in...soon you will see just about every white shaving his head and getting tats...the skin heads will stand right up to both blacks and Hispanics and have adapted their ways. Other whites suddenly realize what a bunch of pu55ys they have become and they get a small taste of what pride is and how it feels to stand together and to stand for something and to defend their existence on the planet...and that is what is happening in Russia and elsewhere..

People see their nations and their race getting watered down by globalism. They see the minorities coming in and getting catered to…getting special privileges not available to them…and they are expected to not only pay for it, but are expected to be humble about it.

Here in the USA, black on white racism is hardly recognized by the law…but, white on black racism is so deeply ingrained in the law, you can be sent to prison simply for speaking bad about people of color in public. You can go to jail and have an extended sentence because you got attacked by a black, beat the crap out of him and then called him the dreaded “N” word…you will be charged with a so-called “Hate Crime”…but, let Blacks gang rape white gals and then testify in court they did it because of racial hatred and not one thing is done about that…and that enflames people’s minds and hearts…and that is state encouraging racial hatred in ways the state never intended.

Yes…I have heard many whites who I knew years ago as decent, God fearing, totally unbiased, people, now saying stupid things, like “I think now, Hitler was right.”, “We ought to round up these Mxicns or N’s and ship their asses back to (wherever they came from)”. I am now hearing words used to describe races that I have not head since I was a small boy in Missouri and Arkansas. Why? Because of the racial stupidity of our very own government….and these Russians are experiencing the exact same thing.

It is wrong…it is disgusting…it is horrible…but, that’s the why of it. And until government electeds and bureaucrats grow a brain, there will be no fixing it.

[aed1980]

i stopped reading here "There is nothing wrong with nationalism or racial pride".

[Mastermind]

That's too bad...you will have missed the point because you are just as closed minded as those you despise in the video...really, there is closed mindedness in everyone. It's understandable. Your loss.

[alexgodinez]

this is upseting i am a mexicanand was planning a trip to moscow but i change my mind i dont need to be beat in a subway

[Battlebuds]

Thats messed up, thanks for posting.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I found a video on Youtube it actually shows the Chechens and Georgians fighting back and actually doing what the skin heads did to these guys back at them. I don;t know if I should post it or not.

[CHERK]

Im curious why that organization doesnt have a disclaimer in regards to the unreported incidents?

Have a look at this
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/rs/rep-rap/1995/wd95_11-dt95_11/p2_2.html

its old, but its quite relevant, since it explains the dynamics and difficulties of hate crime statistics.

One simply cannot have a simpleton view that if its not reported in the statistics it never happens...

Yes, cops don’t’ like to register hate crimes and I am sure it still happening, but in this case, as I mentioned before, I, my self and many of my non-slavic have a first hand knowledge, which for me beats any reporting, hence if statistics reflects my own observations I give it a healthy respect.

Also there is a trend to be more open about this type of crimes and not sweep it under the rug.

[CHERK]

this is upseting i am a mexicanand was planning a trip to moscow but i change my mind i dont need to be beat in a subway

Dude, don’t believe everything in the media. Do a bit of research or better yet go there to see for yourself and than post what a great vacation you had, I would.