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silentpartner
04-06-2008, 01:55 PM
http://www.icc-ccs.org/extra/display.php?yr=2008

http://www.icc-ccs.org/prc/piracyreport.php - weekly reports..

Daedalus
04-06-2008, 03:21 PM
... and i am afraid one doesn't want to board a sailing ship by helicopter (the rigging). I don't know about the feasibility of other assault methods. I bet the pirates have already won their little ransom.

tooms
04-06-2008, 03:44 PM
I hope they will give a ransom and catch them later. There are some military ships in this area.

xav
04-06-2008, 04:51 PM
More info:


Except dramatic turn of events, the French authorities favour a peaceful and negotiated solution to the Somali pirates who seized control Friday of the ship. "We back from the moment they decide to put their feet to the ground," explained Saturday Defence Minister Herve Morin. "We favor the protection of persons who are on board and use all channels to try to resolve this matter without using force," the Prime Minister Francois Fillon.

Currently, french military and allies of the Task Force 150 after Ponant that goes to the south, in the region of Garaad.

A replay of great strength of the vessel would be extremely complex and dangerous. It could result in high losses among the hostages and French units involved.

Very few units are capable of such a mission, dubbed CTM (maritime counter-terrorism). Only the GIGN and marine commandos (Squad of the Counter Terrorism and Hostage Liberation of ECTLO Lorient and the commando Hubert) leads them regularly for helicopter crews. The last exercise was held in October 2007, as we indicated then.[b/]

An intervention by the sea can only be done in two ways: with helicopters and / or type speed boats Zodiac. In either case, you should count on the fact that the pirates are likely to defend itself ... A single example: the commandos are deposited by aérocordage on the boat [Extremely difficult in the case du Ponant, because of its three masts]. Even if the operation is very fast, the helicopter must remain stationary for a short period of time. Widely enough for a pirate unchecks him a helping RPG7, sending surely the carpet.

[b]Another difficulty elongation. It would take at least half a dozen helicopters for such an operation, if we count those serving as a PC or carrying snipers. These Helicopters, based in Djibouti, should refuel en route on boats allies. All this is not a magic wand. As for the idea of borrowing Helicopters from Allies (Americans, for example) keep in mind that the helo crews need to know the procedures of GIGN and commandos. This is not necessarily the case ...

The solution is to be reduced through negotiations and will end without a bunker by a large suitcase full of banknotes, the DGSE delivered to the correct address. The latest transaction in the region, which did not France, is expected in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Unless things get complicated. In this case ...
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/04/le-ponant-il-ny.html

Aren't commandos procedures the same "commandos procedures" everywhere? I mean there is not 50 different way to fast rope out of a helicopter...

(Would be quite a sight however if GIGN teamed up with SOAR 160Th and Fast Ropped from PaveHawks woot )

filochard
04-06-2008, 05:49 PM
Hi,
That's a huge responsibility for Sarkozy. First and decisive test that will condition all the rest of his presidency. We'll soon know if he have some stomach or if he is just a coward with a big mouth. We'll know soon if our sailors can continue to sail with the flag proudly deployed or if they would have to hide it in shame and because it's too dangerous to sail with a flag that means "good money to earn there"

Fade
04-06-2008, 05:51 PM
Somali official: pirates have docked hijacked boat

MOGADISHU, Somalia - A French luxury yacht seized by pirates in the Gulf of Aden has arrived in the northern Somali town of Eyl with a reported 30 crew members aboard as hostages.

A French diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Sunday that the hostages, the majority of them French nationals, had all been provided with food and given the opportunity to wash.

The diplomat declined to say how officials had learned the information.
The French Foreign Ministry said it was in close contact with the hostage's families and that attempts were being made to establish contact with the hostage-takers.

About 10 pirates stormed the 88-metre Le Ponant on Friday as it was returning, without passengers, from the Seychelles in the Indian Ocean. The pirates then guided the vessel down Somalia's eastern coast.

France's prime minister said Saturday that he hoped to avoid using force to free the crew but that no options had been ruled out. The hostages included 22 French citizens, six of them women, as well as Ukrainian citizens, authorities said.

Abdirahman Mohamed Bangah, minister for information in the semi-autonomous northern region of Puntland, said local officials had "no objection" to the presence of international forces in the area.

"We hope they will rescue this ship," he said.

A French frigate, Le Commandant Bouan, temporarily was diverted from NATO duties and tracking the yacht, French military spokesman Cmdr. Christophe Prazuck said Saturday. He said an airplane dispatched from a French base in Djibouti flew over the yacht, reporting that all appeared calm aboard the ship.

The Canadian frigate HMCS Charlottetown, deployed in the Arabian Sea, also dispatched a Sea King helicopter to provide assistance.

"The helicopter flew over the vessel in question and took some imagery and they handed that (imagery) back over to the task force," said Capt. Lori Pothier at the Defence Department in Ottawa on Sunday.

"Right now, there's no further Canadian involvement in the incident," Pothier said.

Local fisherman Mahdi Daud Anbuure told The Associated Press via VHF radio that he was among those who saw the yacht arriving in Eyl, about 500 kilometres north of the Somali capital of Mogadishu.

"We also saw a small boat, apparently carrying food supplies, to the pirates heading toward it," he added.

Story Continued... (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/04/06/5210316-ap.html)

xav
04-07-2008, 11:17 AM
A GIGN team has been dispatched to Djibouti and is ready to move in at any time!!!

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Finternational%2F2008%2F04%2F04%2F01003-20080404ARTFIG00579-un-navire-francais-aux-mains-de-pirates.php&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

GIGN Intervention outside french borders would not be a first but it is rather rare...

Fade
04-07-2008, 11:20 AM
France tries to free yacht held by pirates

PARIS (AP) — Elite French troops were headed to East Africa to bolster efforts to free captives of a yacht held by pirates off Somalia, a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said Monday.

A team of the GIGN, a commando force that conducts anti-terrorist and hostage rescue operations, was being sent to Djibouti to “reinforce” negotiation teams in place, spokeswoman Pascale Andreani said in an online briefing.

Pirates seized the yacht, called Le Ponant, in the Gulf of Aden on Friday. It was carrying 30 crew members, including 22 French citizens, but no passengers.

French officials made contact with the pirates overnight.

“We had confirmation that the crew was safe and sound and well-treated,” Andreani said.

“Our priority is the safety of the hostages,” she said.

French military spokesman Cmdr. Christophe Prazuck said the situation aboard the yacht remained “calm” Monday.

A French frigate was diverted from its NATO duties and has been tracking the yacht, military officials said over the weekend. An airplane dispatched from a French base in Djibouti has flown over the yacht.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warned it could take “an enormous amount of time” to settle the pirate standoff, which he called “a very serious affair.”

President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to meet with the families of the French crew members Tuesday.

The governor of the Somali region of Bari, where the yacht is being held, was quoted in Monday’s Le Figaro as urging an attack on the pirates by French and U.S. warships. Musa Ghelle Yusuf urged an attack “for the peace of Somali waters.”

Source.... (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/04/07/5217431.html)

TriskSxm
04-07-2008, 11:29 AM
According to LCI news, shots were fired between the pirates and local Somali militiamen when the pirates tried docking the ship, but were told to leave by the militia. Witnesses say 2 militiamen were killed... and the ship is now going to another port.

Interesting hours to come.

Source: http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/monde/afrique/0,,3809298,00-voilier-pirate-gign-depeche-djibouti-.html

Andreas
04-07-2008, 12:57 PM
A GIGN team has been dispatched to Djibouti and is ready to move in at any time!!!

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Finternational%2F2008%2F04%2F04%2F01003-20080404ARTFIG00579-un-navire-francais-aux-mains-de-pirates.php&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

GIGN Intervention outside french borders would not be a first but it is rather rare...

Is the publication of this information deliberate or just incredibly poor OPSEC?

Mordoror
04-07-2008, 02:13 PM
do not see what is wrong with that regarding the reputation of the GIGN
it could be one way to make mind the pirates about surrender and stay alive or see a GIGN assault which may prove fatal to a certain number of them

Drunkensquid
04-07-2008, 06:06 PM
Nothing Steven Segal couldn't handle.....

CombatBoots
04-08-2008, 03:37 PM
Nothing Steven Segal couldn't handle.....

Unless it's confirmed there is a stupid blonde *****per with big hooters aboard Steven is not authorised to move in.

Last relevant info on this was posted 1 day ago. Need to update.

Luke15
04-08-2008, 04:24 PM
France and Somalia differ on hijack resolution

The French military are continuing to monitor the progress of the besieged charter yacht, La Ponant, as it cruises towards the southern coastal area of Garaad, under the control of Somali pirates.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon has stated that his priority is to protect the lives of the people on board, and to resolve the situation without resorting to using force, although no options have been ruled out.

However, there are reports that shots have already been fired on board in an attempt to bring the hijack to a conclusion, and local Governor Ghelle Yusuf declared he would be "happy ... to see the pirates killed."

In a telephone interview, Gelle said "The French and American ships must attack the pirates. They have our blessing." He added that the hijackers have been encouraged by ransoms paid in previous ship seizures.

"These pirates are terrorists and there is no need to negotiate with them," he concluded.
ybw.com, 8 April 2008

Source http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20080308155404ybwnews.html

SBL
04-08-2008, 04:26 PM
France and Somalia differ on hijack resolution

The French military are continuing to monitor the progress of the besieged charter yacht, La Ponant, as it cruises towards the southern coastal area of Garaad, under the control of Somali pirates.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon has stated that his priority is to protect the lives of the people on board, and to resolve the situation without resorting to using force, although no options have been ruled out.

However, there are reports that shots have already been fired on board in an attempt to bring the hijack to a conclusion, and local Governor Ghelle Yusuf declared he would be "happy ... to see the pirates killed."

In a telephone interview, Gelle said "The French and American ships must attack the pirates. They have our blessing." He added that the hijackers have been encouraged by ransoms paid in previous ship seizures.

"These pirates are terrorists and there is no need to negotiate with them," he concluded.
ybw.com, 8 April 2008

Source http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20080308155404ybwnews.html


I suppose for his own sake Gov. Yusuf had better hope the French/US take him up on his advice.p-)

xav
04-09-2008, 11:10 PM
Latest news

France is sending Helicopter Carrier Jean D'arc (Already near the Zone... near Madagascar) and LDP Siroco (from Toulon Navy Base)

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/6727dotjpg
http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/1047dotjpg


France has decided to strengthen its naval off the coast of Somalia, where 32 crewmembers du Ponant are held hostage. According to our information, transport landing craft Siroco departed yesterday evening from Toulon to join the Indian Ocean. The anti-aircraft frigate Jean Bart, which was to return to mainland at the end of a deployment in the region, has also been retained in the zone under the system set up after the collision du Ponant. At the same time, the helicopter carrier Jeanne d'Arc, currently sailing between Madagascar and Djibouti as part of the campaign for the application of naval officers, would be held ready to intervene. Le Ponant, for its part, still at anchor in southern Somalia. The Jeanne enable French authorities, in case of need, to build a unit larger than the aviso Commandant Bouan, a small vessel certainly very armed, but lacks helicopter and the limited accommodation capacity. With Jeanne, the military french have a mobile platform carrying helicopters Aloutette III of the Navy and Puma and Gazelle Army. It is also endowed with large hospital facilities, which will accommodate, as appropriate and in good conditions, the sailors du Ponant.

xav
04-09-2008, 11:13 PM
Tactical video of the Ship taken by french maritime patrol aircraft

http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=107395

Three-Up
04-09-2008, 11:17 PM
thanks for the update

Bitogno
04-11-2008, 05:33 AM
According to LeMonde French newspaper the crew of the Ponant is safe and free.

Negative Creep
04-11-2008, 06:30 AM
The crew of a luxury French yacht held by pirates near Somalia have been freed "without incident", French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said.

He thanked the French military for their role in freeing the 30 hostages on board The Ponant which was taken in the Gulf of Aden last Friday.

The 850-tonne, three-masted yacht was sailing back to the Mediterranean from the Seychelles when it was seized.

Somali coastal waters are known to be among the most hazardous in the world.

More than 25 ships were seized by pirates there in 2007.

"The president expresses his deep gratitude to the French armed forces and all the state services which enabled a rapid and peaceful solution to this hostage-taking," Mr Sarkozy's statement said, without giving further details.

France has troops in nearby Djibouti and also participates in a multi-national naval force that patrols this part of the Indian Ocean.

The threat from pirates prompted France to order its navy, in November last year, to escort two ships carrying food aid to Somalia.

In November 2005, pirates attempted to board a cruise ship carrying 600 passengers off the Somali coast.

Somalia has not had an effective central government for more than 17 years and is plagued by insecurity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7342292.stm

Kaapeli
04-11-2008, 07:14 AM
No information on how the situation was solved? Apparently not by force.

Galileo
04-11-2008, 07:17 AM
after 17h30 (Paris time) we will have some news (the president receive the familly of all the french hostages).

No gun fight or bullet fired but a very strong military show force around the Ponant according an anonymous well informed source.

xav
04-11-2008, 07:37 AM
So they released the crew but they keep the boat? WTF is this? Waterworld?

Galileo
04-11-2008, 07:45 AM
maybe there is not enoguh fuel aboard the ship and the pirates certainly take all valuable navigation systems so maybe the ship must wait a tender or an another ship to ressuply or a tug.

sergentdarmes
04-11-2008, 09:15 AM
Now, without hostages, it would be a good occasion for a force-on-force "exercise", but not with Simunition.

raoul volfoni
04-11-2008, 09:20 AM
The only thing we need to know now (and I'm pretty sure we'll never know) is how much it cost us.

The rest is BS.

Galileo
04-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Six of the terrorist have been arrested and are held on the Jean d'Arc (french navy ship).
event:
At 11AM after a negocication between the pirates and the GIGN and CGM /CGA (owner of the boat) the hostages were free on the Jean Bart (france navy ship)

At 12AM, when the pirates were on land but tracked by Atlantic II (plane) they were intercepted by helo assault (almost half of them were arrested) other (no news at this time dead or fleing).


18 marines commando , a general (chief of the french marines commando) + 3 staff officers were parachuted near the cdt Bouan (ship wich tracking the pirates) from Djibouti, two days after 10 other commando were also parachuted on the ship.

Jean bart with 35 commando (the GIGN chief was also parachuted on this ship) join the Cmdt Bouan

A total of +50 commandos were on the scene with 5 helos+ all the helos from the Jeanne d'Arc (medevac, Gazelle HOT, ...)

The Surcouf with other commandos team was sent from Djibouti but did not arrive in tuime (her misison was to replace the Bouan).

10 to 12 GIGN help for the negociation and support commando but apparently did not participate on the land arrest.


The ground operation :

After the liberation of the hostages, the pirates take two cars and the 2 vehicules take differents directions, the french only target one.

A Gazelle (helo) with sniper stop the vehcile (destroy the engine)

A Panther with marine commando arrest the pirates.

2 gazelle HOT (anti tank missile) were in support.

The 6 Somali pirates will be judged in France, the other 6 misisng pirate are still missing but the french are looking for them.

No public money was given (maybe the ship owner paid) but according the chief of the french army when they arrest the pirates the commandos retreive some 'bags' (maybe on the ransom [an electronic device was put with the money??? (I think so] )

The pirates weapons :
RPG 7 and AK47 but they didn't used them.

The somali governement give a white card to the french so airplanes, helos, commandos can enter and operate the country wihtout problems.

In the future the french govt will ask somali govt the autorization to eradicate the pirates in their own water without permission, and a UN resolution will be discussed to give the permisison to pursue and destroy pirates.

-Church-
04-11-2008, 11:08 AM
Pretty good deal for them, by letting the hostages go free they had a shot at walking free(well some did). Better than having to spend quality time with the GIGN.

Nansouty
04-11-2008, 11:17 AM
Whatever happened, all is well that end well. Good show all around by the French government (and I don't say that very often )

Galileo
04-11-2008, 12:01 PM
Six of the terrorist have been arrested and are held on the Jean d'Arc (french navy ship).
event:
At 11AM after a negociation between the pirates and the CGM /CGA (owner of the boat) with the help of the GIGN, the hostages were freed and transfered on the Jean Bart (France navy ship)

At 12AM, when the pirates were on land but tracked by Atlantic II (plane) they were intercepted by helo assault (almost half of them were arrested).

Here some of the informations given during the press point at the French Defense Departement

Just after the Ponant was under ontrol of the pirates, 18 marines commando , a general (chief of the french marines commando) + 3 staff officers were parachuted on the sea near the cdt Bouan (ship wich tracking the pirates) from Djibouti, two days after 10 other commando were also parachuted on the ship.

The Jean bart with 35 other commandos (the GIGN chief was also parachuted on this ship) join the Cmdt Bouan.

A total of +50 commandos were on the scene with 5 helos+ all the helos from the Jeanne d'Arc (medevac, Gazelle HOT, ...)

The Surcouf with other commandos team was sent from Djibouti but did not arrive in tuime (her misison was to replace the Bouan).

10 to 12 GIGN help for the negociation and support commando but apparently did not participate on the land arrest.


The ground operation :

After the liberation of the hostages, the pirates take two cars and the 2 vehicules take differents directions, the french only target one.

A Gazelle (helo) with sniper stop the vehcile (destroy the engine)

A Panther with marine commando arrest the pirates.

2 gazelle HOT (anti tank missile) were in support.

The 6 Somali pirates will be judged in France, the other 6 misisng pirate are still missing but the french are looking for them.

No public money was given (maybe the ship owner paid) but according the chief of the french army when they arrest the pirates the commandos retreive some 'bags' (maybe on the ransom [an electronic device was put with the money??? (I think so] )

The pirates weapons :
RPG 7 and AK47 but they didn't used them.

The somali governement give a white card to the french so airplanes, helos, commandos can enter and operate the country wihtout problems.

In the future the french govt will ask somali govt the autorization to eradicate the pirates in their own water without permission, and a UN resolution will be discussed to give the permisison to pursue and destroy pirates.

saigonsmuggler
04-11-2008, 12:14 PM
great job by the French - real professional work!

Trenk
04-11-2008, 12:20 PM
cool... just.. parachuted on the ship?? parachuted in the sea??

Meph
04-11-2008, 12:21 PM
They should have been shot on site. The ones that escaped will go right back to pirating.

Galileo
04-11-2008, 12:22 PM
cool... just.. parachuted on the ship?? parachuted in the sea??

on the sea just near the ship

Irish
04-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Well done French Military!! :)

eechoss
04-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Great job!

Martel
04-11-2008, 12:30 PM
According http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/04/ponant-six-des.html (in french), 3 pirates were killed during the operation.

Bulletproof
04-11-2008, 12:33 PM
Good job! I hope they will catch the last six.

Laworkerbee
04-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Glad to hear everything worked out.

Well done.

Chimera
04-11-2008, 12:42 PM
That's the way to go, good warning to those scumbags for the future.

arthuro
04-11-2008, 12:42 PM
automatic translation of the article
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberatio...t-six-des.html (http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/04/ponant-six-des.html)


following negotiations between the Somali ship-owner and pirates, the French Army carried out Friday in middle of day a héliportée operation, with ground, which made it possible to capture six of the dozen pirates. A part of the ransom - and perhaps totality - was recovered. Approximately an hour after the transfer of the hostages released on the frigate Jean Bart, a Gazelle helicopter intercepted a vehicle, with ten kilometers in the North-East of Garaad, on board of which the pirates left the sector. Their car, undoubtedly a record player, was stopped by a shooting in the engine, carried out by a marksman of themarine one. Another helicopter Panther, on board of which was three commandos, then intervened. According to the Somali governor of the area, there would have been three died during this action. "the pirates went without too much difficulty" ensured the chief of staff of the armies during a press conference the Elysium. With final, six pirates were captured and at once transferred aboard frigate Jean Bart. They will be given to French justice and judged for taking of hostage and piracy.

Mat_fr
04-11-2008, 12:50 PM
that's a great success.. well done !

mat

Bulletproof
04-11-2008, 12:51 PM
"Following negotiations between the Somali ship-owner and pirates, the French Army carried out Friday in middle of day an air assault, on the ground, which made it possible to capture six of the dozen pirates. A part of the ransom - and perhaps totality - was recovered. Approximately an hour after the transfer of the hostages released on the frigate Jean Bart, a Gazelle helicopter intercepted a vehicle, with ten kilometers in the North-East of Garaad, on board of which the pirates left the sector. Their car, undoubtedly a pick-up, was stopped by shooting the engine, carried out by a marksman of the marine (naval commandos). Another helicopter Panther, on board of which was three commandos, then intervened. According to the Somali governor of the area, there would have been three died during this action. "the pirates went without too much difficulty" ensured the chief of staff of the armies during a press conference the Elysium. In brief, six pirates were captured and at once transferred aboard frigate Jean Bart. They will be given to French justice and judged for taking of hostage and piracy."

I made a few corrections, some words made no sense at all. :D

xav
04-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Just after the Ponant was under ontrol of the pirates, 18 marines commando , a general (chief of the french marines commando) + 3 staff officers were parachuted on the sea near the cdt Bouan (ship wich tracking the pirates) from Djibouti, two days after 10 other commando were also parachuted on the ship.


That must suck for them...
I visited an Aviso class before (the Jean Moulin) and these ship are quite small... very little extra room for extra men.

Major Krok
04-11-2008, 12:59 PM
very good job i wait the next step ... poor somalian ...

Luke15
04-11-2008, 01:30 PM
Well done!!

benbach
04-11-2008, 01:45 PM
thats awesome

Shourka
04-11-2008, 01:59 PM
Hum.

10 terrorists.

6 captured

3 dead.

So... left 1 ?

Source about the 3 deads ? and if its real, they were with the truck who has stopped, or the other truck who have escape ?

Galileo
04-11-2008, 02:05 PM
the french gov denie there were 3 deads. 6 pirates still missing.

Daedalus
04-11-2008, 02:10 PM
Here: http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/04/ponant-six-des.html

It is said they were 12 pirates. Six captured. That's a Somali governor who says three people were killed but the French say nobody was. By the way, these pirates are not terrorists, they take hostages to make money, not to frighten people and make a political point. Scumbags anyway.

Good work the French.

BloodyTalon
04-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Counter Terrorists Win

momojoe
04-11-2008, 03:00 PM
Good Job...Well done!!!

Mordoror
04-11-2008, 03:06 PM
never mess with our GIGN and Navy Commandos .......

Laworkerbee
04-11-2008, 03:07 PM
Hum.

10 terrorists.

6 captured

3 dead.

So... left 1 ?


Shark Food

Hispeed1
04-11-2008, 03:19 PM
Get some! 123456

Hellfish
04-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Pretty cool. Good job. If there are pics in the next issue of RAIDS, I expect someone to post them here. :)

boy1000
04-11-2008, 04:29 PM
never mess with our GIGN and Navy Commandos .......

When I heard that Somali pirates have taken a French Yacht, I almost laughed. The Somalians must learn something about flags, it is not a vice Idea to capture one those ships with that kind of flag.

Must admit was a bit surprised to hear GIGN was involved because it was to my understanding this should be a Naval Ops. To the french operators is it a standard that when French citizen are captured they are included??

And yes, GIGN are something extraordinary...........

Mordoror
04-11-2008, 04:36 PM
Must admit was a bit surprised to hear GIGN was involved because it was to my understanding this should be a Naval Ops. To the french operators is it a standard that when French citizen are captured they are included??

as they are the basic operators for hostage rescue it is logical that they were involved (they have some specific skills like profiling, negociation and so on useful in a hostage rescue mission)
However here, AFAIK they were only as backup when it came to action time for the navy commandos

Galileo
04-11-2008, 04:39 PM
GIGN was only involved for negociation (and hostage rescue/ assault if one of the french was woudned or kill by the pirates) but after the release of the 22 french , the interception of the pirates was just a naval ops.

KB
04-12-2008, 09:37 AM
By Crispian Balmer
PARIS (*******) - French commandos seized six pirates in Somalia on Friday during a daring helicopter raid launched shortly after the bandits had released the 30-strong crew of a luxury yacht hijacked last week.

French officials said the owners of the yacht paid a ransom to obtain the freedom of the crew and as soon as it was clear that they were all safe, the commandos went into action aboard helicopters to track down the pirates.

A district commissioner in Somalia told ******* that five local people had died in the attack, but the French military denied killing anyone in their daylight raid.

"It was an intervention not a pulverization," General Jean-Louis Georgelin, head of the armed forces general staff told a news conference in Paris.

Georgelin said the French military tracked the pirates, believed to be Somali fishermen, after they made landfall and moved in when they saw some of the gang getting away in a car.

A sniper in one helicopter shot out the car engine while another helicopter dropped off three French soldiers who captured the six pirates and hauled them off to French navy helicopter carrier waiting off the Somali coast.

"It is the first time an act of piracy in this area has been resolved so quickly ... and it is also the first time that some of the pirates have been apprehended," Admiral Edouard Guillard told the news conference.

Georgelin said no public money was paid to free the hostages but he indicated that the ships owner had paid a ransom, part of which was found with the escaping pirates.

http://www.*******.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1188558720080411

Galileo
04-12-2008, 09:59 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132130

Eknytz
04-12-2008, 11:23 AM
Hum.

10 terrorists.

6 captured

3 dead.

So... left 1 ?

Source about the 3 deads ? and if its real, they were with the truck who has stopped, or the other truck who have escape ?

They weren't terrorists, they were pirates.

boy1000
04-12-2008, 11:28 AM
GIGN was only involved for negociation (and hostage rescue/ assault if one of the french was woudned or kill by the pirates) but after the release of the 22 french , the interception of the pirates was just a naval ops.

Thank you for the clearifications here. With the new command structure in French SOF I must admit they are VERY clear who do what.

Good job, this sould have been done ages ago.....

Neuron
04-12-2008, 09:01 PM
My first post on MP.net, some pics of the operation...
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicodrefonte/storage/images/media/images/ema/ponant/sur_le_pont_d_envol_de_la_jeanne_d_arc/994010-1-fre-FR/sur_le_pont_d_envol_de_la_jeanne_d_arcdotjpghttp://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicodrefonte/storage/images/media/images/ema/ponant/mise_en_place_pour_l_interception/994005-1-fre-FR/mise_en_place_pour_l_interceptiondotjpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x8/lancero333/abril/20080412190152ENLUS0131276912080-1dotjpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x8/lancero333/abril/20080412190610ENLUS0131277712080-1dotjpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x8/lancero333/abril/20080412190727ENLUS0131278012080-1dotjpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x8/lancero333/abril/20080412190935ENLUS0131278312080273dotjpghttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x8/lancero333/abril/20080412184039ENLUS0131275412080-1dotjpg
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicodrefonte/storage/images/media/images/ema/ponant/le_commandant_bouan_escorte_le_ponant/993883-1-fre-FR/le_commandant_bouan_escorte_le_ponantdotjpg

J4ckRy4n
04-12-2008, 09:22 PM
Great pics dude, welcome.

Playtime
04-13-2008, 02:30 AM
pirates being pirates... why do the french even take them prisoners? simply blowing up their escape vehicles would send a better message no?

on a serious note, if i were a sailor and some pirates attempted to board my ship, am i entitled to shoot to kill?

they used to hang them up at harbour entrances as a warning didnt they?

tooms
04-13-2008, 05:42 AM
They were fishermen before becoming pirates like hundreds of them, they treated well the hostages because only money was interesting for them. Blowing them up is not a reasonable solution.

Neuron
04-13-2008, 05:49 AM
pirates being pirates... why do the french even take them prisoners? simply blowing up their escape vehicles would send a better message no?

on a serious note, if i were a sailor and some pirates attempted to board my ship, am i entitled to shoot to kill?

they used to hang them up at harbour entrances as a warning didnt they?

You know Playtime, we have in France sometimes strange reactions of the opposition and from some newspapers...

If pirates would have been killed, that's sadly sure that the opposition would have said " the murder of pirates who have killed nobody" or " it's a shame to have not take them prisoners"
And that's not a joke!
Just an example : the newspaper " Libération", it's the newspaper which has the best described the military action of the french special forces: his editor has told in his editorial that we can clap the hands at the condition that any pirates were killed by the french in the operation against the pirates !

of course, that's not the opinion of all the french, only a minority, but it's a minority who make lot of noise :(

Heinemann
04-13-2008, 06:11 AM
Those somalians are a strange bunch of people.

filochard
04-13-2008, 08:03 AM
pirates being pirates... why do the french even take them prisoners? simply blowing up their escape vehicles would send a better message no?

on a serious note, if i were a sailor and some pirates attempted to board my ship, am i entitled to shoot to kill?

they used to hang them up at harbour entrances as a warning didnt they?

agree with toom. Had the hostage been liberated by force I'm pretty sure no pirate would have survived. Since it's not the case there is no need to kill them if they don't resist during there arrestation. They got the lesson, the pirates now know how the french flag look like, no need to over do it, it's not terrorists.
It's just that there is 6 (or 3 depend of the source) that are still running, that is a little disapointing. May be they are going to be caught or shot later. All in all very good operation.
Sarkozy passed successfully an important test here imho.

sergentdarmes
04-14-2008, 05:45 AM
The arrest op was videotaped to show the pirates in the car were trated with kid gloves; So the three reported dead men? Not part of this op, maybe not even related to this problem.
The fun part : what to do (legally) with the arrested pirates now ?
If they can be convicted in france, they will be able to gain weight and schooling in prison at French taxpayers' expense.
Send them do their prison term in Somalia ? Human rights organisations will raise hell: "don't send these poor fishermen, driven by starvation to piracy
in substandard Somalian prisons. No one was hurt !"

Luke15
04-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Le Ponant : l'histoire secrète d'une libération

En plein océan Indien, les commandos français ont agi avec des moyens empruntés à toutes les armées, mer, air, terre.

La Gazelle est dans son élément. Après avoir rasé les flots émeraude de l'océan Indien, sauté au-dessus de la ligne de rivage, l'hélicoptère d'attaque vole à quelques mètres au-dessus des touffes ép****s du désert somalien. Un nuage de poussière signale la trace du véhicule tout-terrain dans lequel s'enfuient six de la douzaine de pirates du Ponant. Le gibier. La cible, pour le tireur d'élite des commandos marine posté à la portière de l'appareil. Le soldat ajuste sa lunette. Entre ses mains, un fusil MacMillan qui peut tirer avec une incroyable précision une munition de 12,7 mm un calibre de mitrailleuse à près de 2 000 mètres. Une arme utilisée pour pulvériser les gros moteurs hors bord des vedettes Go Fast des trafiquants de drogue. Coup au but, et même effet destructeur. Le 4×4 des bandits de la mer n'ira pas plus loin.
Les six pirates tentent de s'égayer dans l'aride nature. Course vaine. Les trois hélicoptères qui ont jailli aux côtés de la Gazelle depuis la mer deux Alouette III et un Panther se posent et lâchent chacun trois commandos. Ils se saisissent des bandits et de sacs contenant au moins une partie de leur butin. Tout le monde est embarqué à bord du Panther, direction le large et un navire français. Épilogue d'une prise d'otages qui a duré une semaine, l'opération «Thalatine» («Trente» en langue somalie, comme le nombre d'otages), restera dans les annales. Le scénario aurait pu être écrit par Tom Clancy, mais ce sont des officiers français qui ont tenu la plume…
Tout avait commencé le vendredi 4 avril. En fin de matinée, le téléphone satellite de l'amiral commandant les forces françaises en océan Indien (l'Alindien, en jargon militaire), sonne dans son PC embarqué à bord du Var, navire de commandement qui sillonne la zone. Comme beaucoup de navires, le voilier français, Le Ponant, a opté pour la procédure de «contrôle naval volontaire», qui consiste à informer régulièrement de sa position, quand on cingle dans les eaux dangereuses de la Corne de l'Afrique. Quand il voit les pirates se hisser à bord du voilier, le capitaine Patrick Marchesseau a le temps d'appeler le Var pour donner l'alarme. L'amiral Gérard Valin relaie immédiatement l'information à la Task Force 150, la composante maritime de l'opération alliée antiterroriste Enduring Freedom. L'hélicoptère de la frégate canadienne Charlottetown décolle et effectue la première reconnaissance, les premières images du bateau piraté.

Un gang organisé


Entre-temps, à Paris, la nouvelle est tombée sur le téléphone du général Jean-Louis Georgelin. Un peu d'exotisme au milieu des batailles de chiffres des économies budgétaires en préparation… mais le chef d'état-major des armées (Cema) ne sourit pas : on sait déjà que l'on n'a pas affaire à de simples pêcheurs que l'occasion a fait larrons, mais bien à un gang de pirates organisé. Direction le centre de planification et de conduite des opérations, enterré sous les bureaux du boulevard Saint-Germain à Paris. Une cellule de crise est mise en place. Dans la salle, les cartes de la Corne de l'Afrique fleurissent au mur. Les toponymes, Cap Gardafui, Ras Asir, évoquent Monfreid, les boutres ventrus, les parfums entremêlés d'Afrique et d'Arabie. Mais les pe**** «mobiles» aux acronymes très militaires que l'on y épingle ont une charge beaucoup moins onirique. Il s'agit notamment de l'aviso Commandant Bouan, bâtiment de la Task Force 150 qui a reçu l'ordre de cingler vers Le Ponant. Distant d'une centaine de milles, il le rallie en quelques heures. Il ne va plus lâcher le trois-mâts.
Dès le samedi, Le Ponant entre dans les eaux territoriales somaliennes. Les diplomates français ont obtenu des autorités locales, ou de ce qui en tient lieu, un «droit de suite» dans leurs eaux. Le président Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed l'a accordé. Donnant même son feu vert pour un coup de force éventuel. «Débarrassez- moi de ces types-là,» a-t-il lancé. L'Élysée demande d'élargir le spectre des options, y compris celle de l'assaut. Problème, Le Bouan n'a pas de capacité d'intervention à bord, pas de commandos. Et il file déjà à 700 km de Djibouti.On décide donc d'avoir recours à un parachutage en mer, un «tarpon» dans le langage militaire. Un avion Transall décolle de la base est-africaine française et largue dix-huit commandos marine au large de l'île de Socotra pour qu'ils puissent être récupérés par l'aviso français. Les «yeux» du bateau comme ceux de l'avion de patrouille maritime Atlantique 2, qui le survole régulièrement, laissent penser que l'équipage, que l'on voit sortir régulièrement sur le pont, n'est pas sous une menace immédiate. Lundi 7 avril. Le Ponant finit par jeter l'ancre à 850 km du lieu de son interception, devant la bourgade de Garaad, sur la côte de la région somalienne du Puntland. Le Puntland, l'ancien royaume du Punt, le mythique pays de la myrrhe et de l'encens, est devenu celui des pirates et trafiquants d'immigrants illégaux. Un rivage plat, le désert en arrière-plan, une poignée de maisons et des barques de pêche sur la plage. Un ravitaillement est organisé. Détail cocasse, les flibustiers du Puntland font monter à bord deux chèvres, pour le lait. Mais des écoutes permettent de se rendre compte que les pirates ne boivent pas que ce sain breuvage. Ils ne dédaignent pas la bouteille, avec à la clé des périodes de moindre vigilance (l'un d'eux serait même passé par dessus bord...). Un assaut est-il possible dans de bonnes conditions ? Des nageurs de combat du commando Hubert sont envoyés de nuit sous le voilier. Là, ils réalisent que les requins ne sont pas le seul problème, que le courant est très violent. En cas d'assaut, il faudrait d'abord «ventouser» les commandos, ce qui ne facilite pas la tâche…
À Paris, l'Élysée est en ordre de bataille. Une réunion quotidienne a lieu autour du président. Elle réunit le secrétaire général Claude Guéant, l'amiral Guillaud, chef d'état-major particulier, le conseiller diplomatique Jean-David Lévitte, le chef d'état-major des armées, les ministères concernés, Défense, Affaires étrangères surtout. Ses proches disent retrouver en Nicolas Sarkozy l'ancien ministre de l'Intérieur, «dopé» par la crise, au jugement et à la décision rapides. «Laissez-moi faire, j'ai l'habitude…», lance-t-il aux familles des otages qu'il reçoit. «Le président de la République, chef des armées, ce n'était pas qu'une vision des choses», confiera Jean-David Lévitte. Nicolas Sarkozy a fixé des «lignes rouges» à toute l'action française : pas de mise en danger de la vie de l'équipage, mais intervention si les pirates entendent séparer les otages ou les transférer à terre. Paris a fait savoir aux pirates que ce serait un casus belli. Et seulement accepté que Le Ponant soit mouillé très près du rivage, à un nautique, les pirates voulant réduire les risques d'interception une fois la rançon remise.
Pour que l'action soit commandée au plus près, le patron des commandos marine, le jeune amiral Marin Gillier, quitte Lorient pour Djibouti le dimanche. Le lendemain, il est parachuté en mer, à 1 500 km de là, pour monter à bord du Var. Le jour suivant, c'est le chef du Groupement d'intervention de la gendarmerie nationale (GIGN), le colonel Denis Favier, qui est lui aussi largué au-dessus des flots. On renforce aussi les capacités d'intervention. De nouveaux commandos spécialisés dans «l'assaut-mer» arrivent à bord d'un autre navire de la marine, la frégate antiaérienne Jean Bart. Le navire école Jeanne d'Arc, qui naviguait entre Madagascar et Djibouti, est aussi détourné, pour apporter son hôpital embarqué et ses hélicoptères, de la marine comme de l'armée de terre. Une soixantaine de soldats d'élite cinquante des commandos marine et dix du GIGN sont parés. Un accrochage entre les pirates et un clan rival montre que tout peut basculer.

Tout faire pour intercepter les pirates


Entre l'armateur, la société CMA-CGM, et les pirates, le contact s'est établi dès le dimanche 6 avril au soir et les négociations vont bon train. Une cellule de négociation a été mise en place à M****ille. Rodolphe Saadé, fils de l'armateur et directeur général de CMA-CGM, est conseillé discrètement par des spécialistes de ce type de tractations. L'armateur gère les termes de l'échange, les militaires et les hommes du GIGN les épaulent pour en étudier les conditions, en termes de faisabilité et de sécurité. Les agents de la DGSE ne sont pas loin non plus, en «appui renseignement et négociation». Ils connaissent bien le terrain pour avoir négocié, en décembre 2007, la libération du journaliste français Gwen Le Gouil, dans la même Somalie. Mais cette fois-ci, contrairement aux dernières affaires irakiennes ou afghanes, ils ne sont pas en «premier rideau».
La suite ira très vite. Quand la rançon qui serait de plus de 2 millions de dollars est versée aux pirates, les otages sont autorisés à quitter Le Ponant sur les embarcations du voilier. Ne restent à bord que le capitaine du Ponant avec trois pirates. Ceux-ci partis, les commandos marine montent à bord. L'avion Atlantic II qui tourne au-dessus de la scène repère un 4×4 de fuyards. À l'Élysée, Nicolas Sarkozy a donné pour consigne, une fois les otages en sécurité, de tout faire pour intercepter les pirates, «sans usage excessif de la force», mais avec détermination. Depuis son «état-major tactique» du Jean Bart, l'amiral Gillier n'hésite pas. Il lance le raid héliporté. Une affaire menée «avec sang-froid, efficacité et mesure», souligne une source militaire. Le 4×4 des pirates aurait ainsi pu aisément être pulvérisé par un missile. D'autres armées n'auraient pas finassé…
À l'heure où la Défense entre dans les turbulences des réformes, l'affaire du Ponant ressemble à une formidable démonstration, où toute la panoplie de son savoir-faire a été déployée avec des moyens empruntés à toutes les armées, mer, air, terre. À des milliers de kilomètres de la France, au milieu de nulle part, les militaires ne sont pas fâchés d'avoir montré opportunément qu'ils savent utiliser au mieux les moyens que le
contribuable leur fournit.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualites/2008/04/14/01001-20080414ARTFIG00257-le-ponant-l-histoire-secrete-d-une-liberation.php



I didn't translated with google to post here 'cause the translation is kind of confuse, and my french isn't that good to translate the text in minimum details. So if someone could help, I'll be glad.
:)

Ghostrider_NL
04-14-2008, 02:15 PM
a textbook response on how to deal with these kind of siteautions... nice one france

sergentdarmes
04-15-2008, 03:26 AM
A bit long to translate in one piece. TF 150 is an international (mostly NATO + pakistan) in the Indian Ocean (as part of the GWOT) under a single, rotating command, so a Canadian ship's helo was first responder.
It was a navy op (ships, helos, commandos, planes = Orions) with support in specialised roles from GIGN operators (including the OIC, a colonel) and intelligence specialists of the area.
Army helicopters were also used and air force planes (used to parachute reinforcements, including an admiral, at sea).
The President wanted to avoid all casualties; Perfect media picture.
By the way, large cuts are going to be made in the defense budget. 1 point for the navy.

xav
04-15-2008, 11:49 AM
The amazing part is when they sent combat swimmer under the Hull of the ship at night to listen what was going on inside the boat.

This is true 007/Navy seal movie scenario :)

And the article says the main danger was not the presence of sharks but the high currents making it difficult to stay under the hull.

Mu-Meson
04-20-2008, 03:25 PM
I literally can't believe what I am reading. I knew things were bad in Britain, but I didn't realize they were this bad.


ON April 11, French commandos went in with guns blazing and captured a gang of pirates who days earlier had hijacked a luxury cruise ship, the Ponant, and held the crew for ransom. This was the French solution to a crime wave that has threatened international shipping off Somalia; those of us who have been on the business end of a pirate’s gun can only applaud their action.
The British government on the other hand, to the incredulity of many in the maritime industry, has taken a curiously pathetic approach to piracy. While the French were flying six of the captured pirates to Paris to face trial, the British Foreign Office issued a directive to the once vaunted Royal Navy not to detain any pirates, because doing so could violate their human rights. British warships patrolling the pirate-infested waters off Somalia were advised that captured pirates could claim asylum in Britain and that those who were returned to Somalia faced beheading for murder or a hand chopped off for theft under Islamic law.
A violation of human rights? In 2007, 433 crew members were either taken hostage, assaulted, injured or killed by pirates. Three seafarers are still missing and presumed dead. According to the International Maritime Bureau, the anti-piracy watchdog of the International Chamber of Commerce, over the past 10 years 3,200 seafarers have been kidnapped, 500 injured and 160 killed.
I am banging my head on my desk in incredulous anger!! I'm sure many Brits here are going to want to break something when they read this. :bash::fork::cantbeli:

Note how they said "the once vaunted" RN. The RN has a proud history of fighting piracy, and was instrumental in ending the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Now it is to protect pirates human rights??
Although, it is the NY Times, so take it with a grain of salt. :)

Infanteer Two Seven
04-20-2008, 03:49 PM
I literally can't believe what I am reading. I knew things were bad in Britain, but I didn't realize they were this bad.

I am banging my head on my desk in incredulous anger!! I'm sure many Brits here are going to want to break something when they read this. :bash::fork::cantbeli:

Note how they said "the once vaunted" RN. The RN has a proud history of fighting piracy, and was instrumental in ending the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Now it is to protect pirates human rights??
Although, it is the NY Times, so take it with a grain of salt. :)

same thing in Canada. we cant deport our ethnic gangsters who are causing trouble in Canada to where they came from because they face danger in thier home countries and our law prohibits it :|

Dextermination
04-20-2008, 03:52 PM
Yes, and then you hear about terrorism in Britain and stupid politicians say "Why?"

randomguy
04-20-2008, 03:56 PM
this is what happens when all of Britain goes horny for pirates of the Caribbean trilogy.

Dominique
04-20-2008, 03:59 PM
Isn't there a thread on his up already?

Bulletproof
04-20-2008, 04:17 PM
Uh oh! Keyword: Pirates.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132253

Chimera
04-20-2008, 07:52 PM
Is the RN planning to provide rice sacks after releasing those poor somalian pirates?

mas-36
04-20-2008, 07:55 PM
double post, sorry

mas-36
04-20-2008, 07:56 PM
Is the RN planning to provide rice sacks after releasing those poor somalian pirates?


Getting captured by the Iranians is a better deal. At least they get a snazzy metro-****** suits to wear when they come home.

But seriously - I think the UK just advertised to pirates around the world that British citizens are fair game on the high seas. Who wants to bet that from now on, pirates which suddenly become much more selective of which vessels to attack, depending on what flag it is flying.

Elbows
04-20-2008, 08:03 PM
This is likely the same issue that many countries have when their Military comes into contact with what should be seen as Police roles. Our national guard units here serving down on the border have similar issues. If approached by drug runners, illegals etc, they're supposed to withdraw, or go through a 5 or 6 step process before returning fire if shot at.

Sounds like the RN is trying to cover their ****...and thats a shame. If serious crimes are being committed (ie. Piracy of a private or international vessel by armed assailants) - shoot first, ask questions later. Unsat.

I can't think of a name
04-20-2008, 08:04 PM
Getting captured by the Iranians is a better deal. At least they get a snazzy metro-****** suits to wear when they come home.

But seriously - I think the UK just advertised to pirates around the world that British citizens are fair game on the high seas. Who wants to bet that from now on, pirates which suddenly become much more selective of which vessels to attack, depending on what flag it is flying.

You are correct, these pirates are not stupid, they wont pick on the French or US ships anymore.

I can't think of a name
04-20-2008, 08:06 PM
Also, I hear that the US does not want certain NATO members to capture Taliban in A-STAN because, they wont turn them over the the US or ANA due to potential death penalties.

I have talked to Norwegians who said if Norwegians captured Bin Laden that they wont hand him over the the US because it is illegal to due so because he would face execution.

Elbows
04-20-2008, 08:12 PM
Thats interesting -- what if they go before an international court, and hence are found guilty, and sentenced to execution? Odd.

tonyant9999
04-20-2008, 08:15 PM
Well it seems the Somali pirates may be stupider than they seem, they've gone and hijacked a spanish boat. That was silly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7357831.stm

mas-36
04-20-2008, 08:24 PM
Well it seems the Somali pirates may be stupider than they seem, they've gone and hijacked a spanish boat. That was silly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7357831.stm


Yes, I noticed that on another thread. I'm unaware of Spanish policies regarding pirates/hostage taking on the high seas. It will be interesting to see how Spain reacts. Will they use the French method, or the British method?

Flamming_Python
04-20-2008, 08:37 PM
The British were quite content to be friends with pirates when it came to plundering Spanish gold p-)

Nice to see the RN has re-discovered its ancient traditions.

Nizark
04-20-2008, 08:49 PM
Yeah about the spanish boat that was taken... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7357831.stm

It said that the ransom was paid and the French SF were only used for pick up of the hostages....any other takes on this?

wiking
04-20-2008, 10:30 PM
even though the RN can't do anything to the pirates, if and when British citizens or property ends up in danger, i'm guessing there'll be going a call from 10 Downing Street to Hereford.

But i think i remember reading og hearing something, somewhere that whereas hanging was abolished for 'normal' crimes, isn't that penalty still technically on the books for pirates?

It's a bit sad modern war ships don't have yard-arms though.

Calanen
04-20-2008, 10:38 PM
But i think i remember reading og hearing something, somewhere that whereas hanging was abolished for 'normal' crimes, isn't that penalty still technically on the books for pirates?


No. It was the last thing to be removed. But it has been removed.

In Australia, the sentence of death for treason was on the books until 2001 or so, even though official policy was no death penalty from back in the 70s.

Calanen
04-20-2008, 10:43 PM
Thats interesting -- what if they go before an international court, and hence are found guilty, and sentenced to execution? Odd.

International courts dont sentence people to execution.

sergentdarmes
04-21-2008, 03:31 AM
In the Ponant (french cruise ship) case, ransom was paid for the hostages, and AFTER, a heliborne op was executed to arrest 6 pirates (or 5 pirates and their driver). Shot(s) fired only to stop their car (.50 in the engine).

If Spanish government request it, French assets in the region will assit spanish forces, there are mutual assistance agreements in place.

Ought Six
04-21-2008, 03:51 AM
I favor a 'take no prisoners' approach with pirates, but not the way the British authorities mean it. p-)

Fade
04-21-2008, 08:43 PM
US, France draft UN resolution to battle pirates off Somalia

UNITED NATIONS - The United States and France are drafting a UN resolution that would allow countries to chase and arrest pirates off Somalia's coast.

It's being done in the wake of a spate of attacks, including this week's hijacking of a Spanish tuna boat, UN diplomats said Monday.

French UN Ambassador Jean-Maurice Ripert said the resolution would authorize foreign governments to pursue pirate vessels into territorial waters, make arrests and prosecute suspects.

"We want to do it fast, but it could take one or two weeks because it has to be by consensus - it's not confrontational," he told the Associated Press.

The push by key UN Security Council nations to tackle the issue follows an alarming increase in piracy by well-armed bandits, prompting international demands for better protection of the world's shipping lanes.

Pirates in the lawless Gulf of Aden off Somalia fired on a Japanese oil tanker Monday, unleashing thousand of litres of fuel into the sea, a day after a Spanish tuna boat was hijacked using rocket-propelled grenades.

Earlier this month, a French luxury yacht was hijacked.

The tanker attack helped send crude oil prices to a new record, spiking above $117 a barrel Monday before falling back slightly.

"The issue of piracy is an important issue, and within that framework we're focusing in particular on the threat of piracy off the coast of Somalia," U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told The Associated Press.

In a separate attack Sunday in the Gulf of Aden, pirates approached the Spanish Playa de Bakio and opened fire with rocket-propelled grenades, striking it but causing no serious damage, said an official in Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's office.

Spain sent a frigate to the site of the hijacking about 200 nautical miles off the coast of Somalia. Twenty-six crew were aboard the vessel when the pirates forced their way on the ship.

The Spanish prime minister's office said efforts were under way to secure the sailors' release, and that aid was being sought from NATO, the African Union, France and Britain.

Spain doesn't have an embassy in Somalia, which hasn't had an effective government since 1991.

The hijackers are demanding money but haven't specified how much, Rosa Maria Alvarez, the daughter of the ship's skipper, Amadeo Alvarez Gomez, told Spanish National Radio.

The government declined to comment on her remarks.

Last week, French judges filed preliminary charges against six Somali pirates accused of holding 30 hostages aboard a French luxury yacht for a week in the Gulf of Aden.

A French military helicopter captured them after the April 11 release of the yacht's crew. The ship's owners reportedly paid a ransom.

According to a report from the International Maritime Bureau, piracy is on the rise, with seafarers suffering 49 attacks between January and March - up 20 per cent from the period last year.

Pirates boarded 36 vessels and hijacked one, the report said.

Seven crew members were taken hostage, six were kidnapped, three were killed and one went missing. Most of the attackers were heavily armed with guns or knives, the report said.

Nigeria ranked as the No. 1 trouble spot.

India and the Gulf of Aden tied for second, with each reporting five incidents. Nearly two dozen piracy incidents were recorded off the coast of Somalia since January 2007, according to Andrew Mwangura of the Kenya-based Seafarers Assistance Program.

Khalilzad said discussion on the issue has been ongoing.

"We're talking to the French and others to put forward something on the piracy, specifically off the coast of Somalia, but the importance of the overall issue will be recognized," Khalilzad said. "We're working very hard on it."

What takes time, Ripert said, is working out the legal details because pursuing pirate vessels could mean going into the territorial waters of a country "so you have to pre-negotiate the consent of the state."

Source.... (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/04/21/5350991-ap.html)

Mu-Meson
04-21-2008, 10:10 PM
I wonder if the British will have an influence on the final draft?

Hellfish
04-21-2008, 11:43 PM
Political amnesty for the pirates is about all they can offer *snicker*

Billy No Mates
04-22-2008, 02:49 AM
Political amnesty for the pirates is about all they can offer *snicker*

Don't laugh its important that we should help men like Yusuf Jama who has proved such a boon to our society....

The Dane
04-22-2008, 09:58 PM
France has really step up its international engagement since Sarkorzy came in power.
Good thing, very good thing :)

Fade
04-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Somali pirates find booming business

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - The spoils of a career as a pirate off Somalia's high seas were simply too good for Abdi Muse to pass up. He bought two Land Cruisers and a new home, then married two women in one passionate week.

"I was giving away money to everyone I met," said Muse, 38, who said he made $90,000 hijacking ships. "After two months, I had no money left. Can you believe it?"

For years, Somali pirates like Muse have found lucrative work stalking the country's lawless coast, seizing boats and negotiating ransoms. But these brazen assailants could soon face more force as the United States and France muster international support for taking them on.

"This is a very important and serious signal that the nations of the world take (piracy) seriously," said Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy.

The United States has been leading international patrols to combat piracy along Somalia's unruly 1,880-mile coast, the longest in Africa and near key shipping routes. Now, the U.S. and France are drafting a U.N. resolution that would allow countries to chase and arrest pirates after a spate of recent attacks, including a Spanish tuna boat hijacked this week by pirates firing rocket-propelled grenades and a Dubai-flagged cargo ship seized while carrying food to the desperately poor country.

The cargo ship was rescued Tuesday by Somali forces, who arrested seven pirates, but the Spanish boat and its crew remain in the hands of hijackers.

French officials say they are pushing for a resolution that would make it easier for armies to swoop into other countries' waters and nab pirates. The push comes after French commandos freed hostages on a French tourist yacht seized earlier this month off the coast of Somalia, and then chased the pirates on land and arrested them.

"The international community must respond and set up a rotating mechanism to control and keep watch with our naval forces so as to guarantee the security and protection of all those who fish or sail through that zone," Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said as his country awaited word on its hijacked tuna boat.

Many Somali pirates are trained fighters linked to politically powerful clans that have carved the country into armed fiefdoms; others are young thugs enlisted to do the dirty work for older, more powerful criminals, who turn a profit by taking a cut of the ransom money and selling the ship's cargo.

Pirates often dress in military fatigues, using speedboats equipped with satellite phones and Global Positioning System equipment. They are typically armed with automatic weapons, anti-tank rocket launchers and grenades, according to the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia.

Somalia's already overstretched government welcomed the initiative to involve international forces in patrolling its pirate-infested coastal waters. Wracked by more than a decade of violence and anarchy, Somalia does not have a navy, and the transitional government formed in 2004 with U.N. help has struggled to contain a deadly insurgency.

"These forces could come inside the country if it is needed," said government spokesman Abdi Hagi Gobdon.

To some pirates, however, the prospect of international force is not particularly daunting.

"We are not scared of the U.S. troops or any other troops stationed off our waters. Why should we be scared?" asked Siyad, a Somali pirate who asked that his full name not be used for fear of reprisals.

"They have weapons, but so do we. And we are the ones with the human shields," he said, noting that troops are loath to use force because it risks harming hostages.

The International Maritime Bureau says piracy worldwide is on the rise, with seafarers suffering 49 attacks between January and March—up 20 percent from the same period last year.

Nigeria ranked as the No. 1 trouble spot. India and the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's northern coast tied for second, with each reporting five incidents.

Somalia had 31 attacks involving pirates in 2007 alone, according to the International Maritime Bureau.

Noel Choong, head of the agency's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur, said simple economics can explain much of Somalia's burgeoning piracy.

"At the end of the day, you hijack a ship, you get paid ransom," Choong said. "These pirates aren't frightened because the returns are so big."

The pirates frequently travel in open skiffs with outboard motors, often working with larger mother ships that tow them far out to sea. With an intimate knowledge of local waters, they clamber aboard commercial vessels with ladders and grappling hooks.

The attackers generally treat their hostages well in anticipation of a big payday. Shipping companies and foreign governments rarely acknowledge paying ransom, but recent demands have soared into the millions of dollars.

"Our motivation is money, so it is not our plan to harm the hostages we take," Siyad said. "We never agree to release the hostages or the ship before the ransom is paid in cash."

Andrew Mwangura of the Kenya-based Seafarers Assistance Program estimates that Somali pirates have received more than $3 million in ransom this year alone, an astronomical sum even considering it would be split among dozens or even hundreds of criminals.

International terrorism, always a concern in the volatile Horn of Africa, and particularly in lawless Somalia, does not appear to have a role in the country's piracy, according to several observers.

"I don't know that there has been a tie. We're not necessarily looking for one," said Robertson, the U.S. Navy spokeswoman.

Ali Abdi Aware, the foreign affairs minister in Somalia's semiautonomous Puntland region, where many of the attacks take place, said he does not know of any links between piracy and foreign terrorists. But, he added, the pirates' disregard for law and order in general "may encourage terrorism."
Siyad said his decision to become a pirate was a matter of survival.

Impoverished and with no job prospects, he saw two options: risk his life by fleeing Somalia in a leaky boat to the more prosperous countries across the Gulf of Aden, or join up with pirates who were flush with cash.

Now, $35,000 richer after hijacking two vessels, including a Japanese tanker seized in December, Siyad said the best, most profitable choice was clear.

He plans to use his spoils to try to escape the poverty and instability of Somalia. "I want to go abroad using a safe route, using my money," he said.

But Muse—the pirate who spent all his money in one go—had second thoughts a few years ago, blaming the easy money for the loss of his wives and other personal misfortunes.

"I had to sell the house and the cars," Muse said. "I divorced my wives. I stopped this job after thinking about how it affects our Islamic religion and our Somali culture."

"Now I work at a private company, I am no longer a pirate," he said. "I am happy to get a small monthly salary."
Source.... (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D907Q7P80&show_article=1&catnum=0)

'And we are the ones with human shields' :roll:

Abolith
04-23-2008, 07:16 PM
"We are not scared of the U.S. troops or any other troops stationed off our waters. Why should we be scared?" asked Siyad, a Somali pirate who asked that his full name not be used for fear of reprisals.


No not scared at all...

Bulletproof
04-23-2008, 07:21 PM
"We are not scared of the U.S. troops or any other troops stationed off our waters. Why should we be scared?"

Because the Marine commandos can come get you.

BugHunt
04-23-2008, 07:57 PM
then A. married two women in one passionate week.

"I was giving away money to everyone I met," said Muse, 38, who said he made $90,000 hijacking ships. "B. After two months, I had no money left. Can you believe it?"Theres your problemm sonny.

A marry twice = B your ass is broke shortly thereafter....

Mu-Meson
04-23-2008, 08:23 PM
Maybe the US should rig up some Q Ships. Nice fancy yachts with masses of hidden weaponry, and just sail slowly along the Somali coast.

Calanen
04-23-2008, 09:03 PM
Maybe the US should rig up some Q Ships. Nice fancy yachts with masses of hidden weaponry, and just sail slowly along the Somali coast.

You know why not? Because people would die, and no one would appreciate it. Sad but true.

The insurance companies should just get some PMCs to do exactly that.

winchester_down
04-23-2008, 11:30 PM
I'd love to work in a PMC goin in there, and defending innocent vessels.

I hope someone does something about it, otherwise it will set a bad example and people might try it elsewhere.

apasc08
04-23-2008, 11:37 PM
its sad to say but the reason nothing is really being done is because $3 million a year in ransom is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying a group of western PMCs or sending in a navy frigate to patrol.

Antimatty
04-23-2008, 11:48 PM
French officials say they are pushing for a resolution that would make it easier for armies to swoop into other countries' waters and nab pirates.------i bet thats going to be interesting if it passes as different countries offer their own interpretations of what "pirates" are . that incident where iran kidnapped those British sailors for instance.

is the merchant marine still around? seems like this is the sort of thing they would have dealt with.

Military-G
04-24-2008, 06:24 AM
German warship helped fend off pirate attack.

German warship was involved in fending off pirate attack on a Japanese tanker.
Helicopter was sent to the scene while ship made for tanker at full speed.
Pirates fired on tanker, with fuel leaking from bullet holes in its hull.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/WORLD/africa/04/23/somalia.pirates/art.german.piratesdotjpg



BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- A German warship was involved in fending off Monday's pirate attack on a Japanese tanker near the coast of Somalia, a spokesman for the German armed forces said Wednesday.

The Japanese tanker Takayama was attacked by pirates but received a helping hand from a German warship.






http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/04/23/somalia.pirates/index.html

And another and another and another ... how many is that in the past few weeks ... jeeze.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BLdotgif

jokuvaan
04-24-2008, 07:00 AM
And pirates got away?

Xaito
04-24-2008, 07:04 AM
And pirates got away?

maybe germans didn't have the authority to arrest or sink them unless attacked themselves?

edit:
article says:

Upon arrival, the attacking boat had already retreated

John_J
04-24-2008, 07:11 AM
fend off attackers - they arent allowed to attack anyone and only shoot in self defence. If there is a pirate vessel thay have to ask the commander for permission to enter his vessel - wtf? The whole seaborn operation infront of Lebanon and the GUlf of Oman is a joke. And dont get me wrong - I love the germans, but their military is close to useless - barely any of them have combat experience and it doesnt look like they will get any soon.

Macs.
04-24-2008, 07:14 AM
fend off attackers - they arent allowed to attack anyone and only shoot in self defence. If there is a pirate vessel thay have to ask the commander for permission to enter his vessel - wtf? The whole seaborn operation infront of Lebanon and the GUlf of Oman is a joke. And dont get me wrong - I love the germans, but their military is close to useless - barely any of them have combat experience and it doesnt look like they will get any soon.

Geography: That is a different Mandate.

We are talking about OEF, Horn of Africa here and they have different ROE's.

Bushranger
04-24-2008, 07:24 AM
The world has to stop being a bunch of PC soft*****s, all these pirates understand is a good belting.

xav
04-24-2008, 07:34 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132829

US and France are working on it

angry cow
04-24-2008, 08:42 AM
France has really step up its international engagement since Sarkorzy came in power.
Good thing, very good thing :)

Agreed.


Pirates with GPS and RPGs, learning about freighter movements from the internet, we really are in the 21st century aren't we?

Hispeed1
04-24-2008, 11:41 AM
+100 for the Germans.

Mr.K
04-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Good to see the germans and the japanese cooperating again! p-)

Herman the II
04-24-2008, 03:50 PM
Apparently the German Frigate "Emden" was involved in another episode with pirates shortly after the one mentioned above.
Last night the sailing yacht "Star Clipper" with 180 people on board was threatened by pirates that fled as the Emden got close, the Frigate then accompanied the yacht until daybreak. Looks like a busy weak down there.

http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ180RFI!?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27DZEX5450INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp

Atlantic Friend
04-24-2008, 04:34 PM
Agreed.


Pirates with GPS and RPGs, learning about freighter movements from the internet, we really are in the 21st century aren't we?

And loving it every single inch of the way.

Lt-Col A. Tack
04-24-2008, 04:42 PM
France has really step up its international engagement since Sarkorzy came in power.
Good thing, very good thing :)

I very much agree, but I read he's not doing so well in the polls.

Atlantic Friend
04-24-2008, 04:57 PM
I very much agree, but I read he's not doing so well in the polls.

Not really because of France's international posture, though, but because he's the point man in what isn't a recession but a tough moment for the economy.

Lt-Col A. Tack
04-24-2008, 05:49 PM
Not really because of France's international posture, though, but because he's the point man in what isn't a recession but a tough moment for the economy.

Ah, I see. Thank you, sir

The world over, the chief executive authority usually takes the credit or the blame for a country's economic situation.

Is he handling economic issues badly?

deagle
04-24-2008, 06:08 PM
they splurge on luxury goodes and amenties....but can't afford any security ?? (even basic ones ?). lots of $$ and valuables available/no resistance.........no brainer there.

at least they didn't get abducted and ransomed off for more $, or sold off.

wagon
04-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Maybe the US should rig up some Q Ships. Nice fancy yachts with masses of hidden weaponry, and just sail slowly along the Somali coast.

Sounds like a cool plot for a movie. Oh, and a good idea too.

filochard
04-24-2008, 11:43 PM
Is he handling economic issues badly?

Hi,
There is no obvious reply for that. We'll know better in 4 years.
Thing that made him unpopular apart the economy where he can't do much on the oil price for example, is the fact that in the beginning of his mandate he made his private life public and questionned secularism. That was serious mistakes, he was elected to reform what's wrong in France, not to change what's good. So he got tackled badly on those two issues and I think he learnt the lesson. Still there is some reforms and the people know it's necessary but don't like it at the same time. Not good for short term popularity. Napoleon called his soldiers the "grognards", that mean always complaining. That didn't prevented them to march though :)

EvilPotato700
04-24-2008, 11:49 PM
I'd love to help crack down on these guys

act like a civ vessel and when they try to board rat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat

some little monkeys about to be falling off some beds

-Church-
04-24-2008, 11:52 PM
I'd love to help crack down on these guys

act like a civ vessel and when they try to board rat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat

some little monkeys about to be falling off some beds

And you're out.

EvilPotato700
04-24-2008, 11:57 PM
Yup... lights on nobody home

as soon as I posted I thought "gee i'm a friggin dorkola"

-Church-
04-25-2008, 12:00 AM
Yup... lights on nobody home

as soon as I posted I thought "gee i'm a friggin dorkola"

So what you were banned and came back to troll a little or are you really a dumbass ?

EvilPotato700
04-25-2008, 12:12 AM
??????????

Lt-Col A. Tack
04-25-2008, 12:16 AM
Hi,
There is no obvious reply for that. We'll know better in 4 years.
Thing that made him unpopular apart the economy where he can't do much on the oil price for example, is the fact that in the beginning of his mandate he made his private life public and questionned secularism. That was serious mistakes, he was elected to reform what's wrong in France, not to change what's good. So he got tackled badly on those two issues and I think he learnt the lesson. Still there is some reforms and the people know it's necessary but don't like it at the same time. Not good for short term popularity. Napoleon called his soldiers the "grognards", that mean always complaining. That didn't prevented them to march though :)

Thank you very much!!

I apologize for asking an off-topic question.

pacifist
04-25-2008, 02:06 AM
Does the french navy have any patrol ships in Djibouti?

easyand
04-27-2008, 11:58 AM
Italian navy ship Etna avoided a pirate attack against a panamese cargo ship in the gulf of Aden, south of yemen coasts.

original news in italian:

Nave Marina sventa assalto pirati
Yemen, difeso mercantile panamense

Ancora un assalto di pirati e ancora un intervento decisivo della Marina militare italiana. Il rifornitore di squadra "Etna" ha infatti sventato un attacco da parte di cinque piccole imbarcazioni ad un mercantile battente bandiera panamense in navigazione nel Golfo di Aden, a sud delle coste yemenite. Un altro tentativo di assalto nelle stesse acque, questa volta ad un cargo italiano, era stato scongiurato solo lunedì scorso.

tgcom

Military-G
04-27-2008, 01:05 PM
Thats 2 pirate encounters for Italy in a couple of days ... Throw in the german, spanish and french situations and surely its getting out of hand. Is this a media thing paying more attention to these pirates now or is there just a major escelation in hijack attempts because there has been so many stories in such a short space of time .. i wonder. p-)

centa
04-27-2008, 01:48 PM
Go Italy....

Etna is an ausiliary ship...
this means that the ttacks were avoided by the elicopters???

Evolv5
04-27-2008, 01:51 PM
Thats 2 pirate encounters for Italy in a couple of days ... Throw in the german, spanish and french situations and surely its getting out of hand. Is this a media thing paying more attention to these pirates now or is there just a major escelation in hijack attempts because there has been so many stories in such a short space of time .. i wonder. p-)
Yeah I'd like to know that as well :S

Schpetzka
04-27-2008, 02:40 PM
I think it is just that the media is reporting it more. This website gives a weekly pirate update:

http://www.icc-ccs.org/prc/piracyreport.php

easyand
04-27-2008, 02:51 PM
Go Italy....

Etna is an ausiliary ship...
this means that the ttacks were avoided by the elicopters???

it has 25mm guns, they can do great damages to their small boats

Ordie
04-27-2008, 04:51 PM
Pirates must be desperate to even attack a naval vessel.

ghostdog
04-28-2008, 03:59 AM
Yesterday another Italian navy ship avoided another pirate attack against a cargo ship in Yemen .

Curtis E. Bear
04-28-2008, 04:08 AM
Pirates attacking a naval ship. Says a lot about the Italian Navy..

easyand
04-28-2008, 04:12 AM
Pirates attacking a naval ship. Says a lot about the Italian Navy..

what are you saying? the attacked ship was a panamese ship! Italian navy avoided the pirate attack with a EH101 helicopter

My english is not so good but I tought it was clear that the ship under attack was a cargo

easyand
04-28-2008, 04:12 AM
Yesterday another Italian navy ship avoided another pirate attack against a cargo ship in Yemen .

we're taliking about it ;-)

ghostdog
04-28-2008, 04:13 AM
Pirates attacking a naval ship. Says a lot about the Italian Navy..


What about ???

Military-G
04-28-2008, 04:14 AM
Pirates attacking a naval ship. Says a lot about the Italian Navy..

???????? Says more about your reading skills.

The Italian navy encountered the pirates having a go at other ships.

Curtis E. Bear
04-28-2008, 04:19 AM
Guess the use of the word AVOIDED threw me off. That and I only read the first line.

ghostdog
04-28-2008, 04:21 AM
we're taliking about it ;-)

Ouch ! sorry I thought you're talking about the pirate attack of one week ago .

goldrake
04-28-2008, 02:53 PM
Guess the use of the word AVOIDED threw me off. That and I only read the first line.
anyway you are full of prejudices about Italy and her people, you should get a better knowledge of us, sincerely

momojoe
04-28-2008, 04:36 PM
Jesus I don't know why people have to act like small children!!!!

goldrake
04-28-2008, 05:27 PM
excuse me, but maybe i was misanderstood, i didn't get offended and didn't want to flame or to offend, only wanted to reccommend a deep study of our coutry, its navy and its history

PanzerMaster
04-29-2008, 06:11 AM
Guess the use of the word AVOIDED threw me off. That and I only read the first line.

Fend off/Repelled is the right concept. Maybe in english avoided sound more like "escape/go away from the danger" but in Italian avoided can be of a more active meaning.

Cheers

Curtis E. Bear
04-29-2008, 11:19 AM
anyway you are full of prejudices about Italy and her people, you should get a better knowledge of us, sincerely

You came to the conclusion that I'm prejudice off one post? Guess what? You're a wanker.


Fend off/Repelled is the right concept. Maybe in english avoided sound more like "escape/go away from the danger" but in Italian avoided can be of a more active meaning.

Cheers

Ah, fair enough.

goldrake
04-29-2008, 11:50 AM
yes, sometime

Military-G
04-29-2008, 12:25 PM
I wouldnt say he was prejudice off of one post but it was clearly a cheap shot at the Italian navy.

However its not really what this thread is about ... so moving on, we have gone a day without a report of A Pirate attack .. whats going on?? :cantbeli:

Kampfbaer
05-30-2008, 02:27 PM
Apparently a German freighter has been seized by pirates in the vincinity of Somalia, it is said that the ROEs prevent the German frigate Emden fom intervening.

Sorry, source just in German so far:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/Piraten-Somalia;art1117,2541027

Calanen
05-30-2008, 02:32 PM
Apparently a German freighter has been seized by pirates in the vincinity of Somalia, it is said that the ROEs prevent the German frigate Emden fom intervening


F--- ROEs. Grow a pair Merkel, and send in the frigate. Worry about anyone complaining to the UN or whatever, after you've saved the people on that freighter.

Macs.
05-30-2008, 02:33 PM
Emden has a specially trained boarding-team on board... :roll:

Kampfbaer
05-30-2008, 02:43 PM
Maybe the French are so nice to cover our **** and lend a hand...

Sometimes I wonder that our police is allowed to bear weapons...

Macs.
05-30-2008, 02:51 PM
Just recently there was a documentation on the OEF operation at the horn of africa...

It's pathetic really, the ROE goes so far that we have to ASK THE CAPTAIN of a suspicious ship if we MAY board his ship and search it for drugs and weapons...

But what is even more amazing is that recently they had a huge succes in confiscating a ton of drugs on some little ship that would have been used to finance terror cells. Apparently the terrorist do yet not know just how bureaucracy-mad we are.

Eggy
05-30-2008, 03:03 PM
ROE could be that they aren't allowed to go into Somalia's territorial waters. Which makes sense. If the UN and security council get their act togetehr this might be a thing of the past.

Calanen
05-30-2008, 03:09 PM
ROE could be that they aren't allowed to go into Somalia's territorial waters. Which makes sense. If the UN and security council get their act togetehr this might be a thing of the past.

Does it? What's Somalia going to do - invade Germany? It doesnt even have a government.

Silent Reader
05-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Does it? What's Somalia going to do - invade Germany? It doesnt even have a government.

the region of Puntland in northern Somalia has a de facto independent government afaik - though not internationally recognized. some weeks ago i read that they boarded a hijacked boat and arrest or killed the pirates.. don't remember this exactly - but they seem to have some form of small coastguard/navy.

Kampfbaer
05-30-2008, 03:33 PM
Does it? What's Somalia going to do - invade Germany? It doesnt even have a government.

If you look at our political leadership, they might even succeed!

Herman the II
05-30-2008, 03:43 PM
There are no German citizens aboard, the crew is from Russia, Ukraine and Burma.
I wonder what people think our goverment should do... :roll:

Hellfish
05-30-2008, 03:44 PM
Hahahahahaha.... Germany. Hahahaha.

ebud
05-30-2008, 04:01 PM
Hahahahahaha.... Germany. Hahahaha.

Don't you have some data to mine or something El Grego?

Dercius
05-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Blast them from the sea. No one will complain about german navy making the sea a safer place.

Hellfish
05-30-2008, 05:56 PM
Don't you have some data to mine or something El Grego?

Don't you have a faggy European scooter to be tooting around on?

oscarni
05-30-2008, 06:07 PM
To be fair, those scooters don't cost $8 / $10 to fill the tank and do more than 4 miles to the gallon! ;) lol

As for this situation, I think Germany is in the same situation as Japan, should they use their armed forces outside of their borders, the UN will scream they they are developing a War like stance again.

Frankly I would love the Royal Navy or US Navy to sit off shore, and blow the crap out of any vessel that goes beyond 5 miles of the countries shore. I think its time to take off the kid gloves and employ some force.

Hilbert
05-30-2008, 06:12 PM
To be fair, those scooters don't cost $8 / $10 to fill the tank and do more than 4 miles to the gallon! ;) lol

As for this situation, I think Germany is in the same situation as Japan, should they use their armed forces outside of their borders, the UN will scream they they are developing a War like stance again.

Frankly I would love the Royal Navy or US Navy to sit off shore, and blow the crap out of any vessel that goes beyond 5 miles of the countries shore. I think its time to take off the kid gloves and employ some force.

Pardon my bluntness,

Oh what a tragedy that would be, who gives a flying flip what the U.N. thinks. If they aren't going to do anything about it and want to ***** at the Germans for actually doing something (if they do), then the German ambassador should just tell them to go shove it.

daily666
05-30-2008, 06:34 PM
They should do it the French way.

BugHunt
05-30-2008, 06:34 PM
Seriously wtf has the UN to do with the price of fish here?

These are homegrown ROE's put in place by national governments for whatever lamebrain bureaucratic idiotic dumb**** reasons.


What are the German people going to do about it? Its not like there going to burn down the Reichstag....



Our Royal navy have there hands tied by govermental and lawyerly stupidity "human rights" law which practically every other nation is signatory to, yet doesnt stop other nations acting rationally....

Its national governments, there myopic interpretations of law and complete unwillingness to sustain casulties...which is at fault not the UN....

tluassa
05-30-2008, 08:29 PM
There are 250 German Soldiers in the OEF Horn of Africa, get them to work ...

The Dane
05-30-2008, 08:32 PM
They have some huge balls those fellows..!!

deagle
05-30-2008, 09:03 PM
looks like they haven't learned their lesson .... so its action is repeated. they use force to attack/overwhelm, so force should be used to repel them back (maybe not kill, but discourage an attempt and any future attempts). they just loot, but if they want, they could just kill every person on the boat on a whim if they felt like it.

Hellfish
05-31-2008, 02:12 AM
It's interesting. While I was at work today I read an article by Max Boot, where he was talking about the Powell Doctrine and the American small wars of the 90s (Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo). He mentioned that if protecting your forces was the primary mission of your military when they deploy overseas, why bother deploying them at all? If you're trying to minimize casualties - actually, incur no losses whatsoever - because of a perceived political backlash at home - you're only going to destroy the morale of your troops, send them on a paid holiday (where they're likely restricted to post) and be overall totally ineffective in any way whatsoever.

The Germans seem to be stuck in this same malaise that we once were. Why even bother at this point, even just to keep America happy? If your military can't even be bothered to protect it's own national assets against a nationless enemy, why even have a military at all?

Weasel
05-31-2008, 02:16 AM
German forces were created to protect german soil. That´s what they should do, not more.

Hellfish
05-31-2008, 02:20 AM
German forces were created to protect german soil. That´s what they should do, not more.

I dunno. "Soil" is kind of a restrictive term. Germany has external national assets that aren't "soil".

But that's fine. Just don't bother sending them overseas, then. It's expensive for you, damaging to your reputation (say what you will about the French, but if you **** with them, they'll get you back - as of right now Germany ranks somewhere near Andorra on the pansy scale) and you're not helping anybody else by going somewhere and not doing anything.

Weasel
05-31-2008, 02:53 AM
I dunno. "Soil" is kind of a restrictive term. Germany has external national assets that aren't "soil".

But that's fine. Just don't bother sending them overseas, then. It's expensive for you, damaging to your reputation (say what you will about the French, but if you **** with them, they'll get you back - as of right now Germany ranks somewhere near Andorra on the pansy scale) and you're not helping anybody else by going somewhere and not doing anything.

Can you buy something for reputation? Who cares for reputation? The US have a bad reputation for invading Iraq, the French were sinking a non-military ship for political reasons........reputation means nothing.

LazerLordz
05-31-2008, 02:54 AM
German forces were created to protect german soil. That´s what they should do, not more.

And a German freighter isn't a German asset?

Legalities aside, nations can just blow/seize the Somali pirates out of the water and no one will give a damn.

Weasel
05-31-2008, 02:59 AM
And a German freighter isn't a German asset?

Legalities aside, nations can just blow/seize the Somali pirates out of the water and no one will give a damn.

I wrote "soil", not asset.

Calanen
05-31-2008, 04:19 AM
German forces were created to protect german soil. That´s what they should do, not more.

So it can be open season on German shipping? That's a good message to send to pirates.

hanuta
05-31-2008, 05:08 AM
In Germany military is not police
So why should it care them if a german freighter have problems with pirates....

Calanen
05-31-2008, 05:09 AM
In Germany military is not police
So why should it care them if a german freighter have problems with pirates....

And exactly which part of the German police force looks after piracy in shipping lanes off the coast of Somalia?

Creampuff
05-31-2008, 05:24 AM
Wasn't KSK designed to combat this kind of thing? excuse my ignorance.

Herman the II
05-31-2008, 05:28 AM
Wasn't KSK designed to combat this kind of thing? excuse my ignorance.

There are no German citizens involved, so its unlikely that they will send the KSK to free the hostages.

Dominique
05-31-2008, 05:42 AM
There are no German citizens involved, so its unlikely that they will send the KSK to free the hostages.

But the ship is German flagged, correct? I do believe that the German military is tasked with assuring that German flagged commercial shipping vessels aren't harassed and/or attacked at sea. And last I checked, if a vessel is being attacked by pirates, any military or law enforcement vessel in the area is duty bound to respond, and render aid.

Herman the II
05-31-2008, 05:53 AM
The problem is that the Frigate wasn't anywhere near the freighter when it was seized. Off course the Frigate would have helped if possible, they have done so in the past.
(see: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/04/23/somalia.pirates/index.html)
But now the Frigate wont abort its OEF mission because there isn't much they can do now...
If German citizens would be involved they may send the KSK/GSG9 etc., but the German military wont start invading a foreign country each time German property is threatened by criminals.

oldsoak
05-31-2008, 05:57 AM
German forces were created to protect german soil. That´s what they should do, not more.

- Really ? And who protects German ships on the high seas ? Someone else ?

Dominique
05-31-2008, 05:58 AM
but the German military wont start invading a foreign country each time German property is threatened by criminals.

Not to bust your balls, but that's setting German flagged ships up for failure. If someone knows that as long as their aren't any Germans on board the vessel, even though it's flying a German flag, they'll target them because they know they don't have to worry about a late night visit from machine gun welding commandos.

oldsoak
05-31-2008, 06:01 AM
@ Herman - Mogadishu ?

Herman the II
05-31-2008, 06:03 AM
Do you think any other European country would build up and start a commando action when no citizens of their own are in danger?
Lust Sunday a freighter of the Netherlands was seized and nobody started any action..


Btw. I don't know if that ship flies the German flag, most times they are flagged under "Panama" or something alike. The ship just belongs to a German shipment company..

Weasel
05-31-2008, 06:04 AM
But the ship is German flagged, correct? I do believe that the German military is tasked with assuring that German flagged commercial shipping vessels aren't harassed and/or attacked at sea. And last I checked, if a vessel is being attacked by pirates, any military or law enforcement vessel in the area is duty bound to respond, and render aid.

This word must be underlined big and fat. When it´s a commercial matter german government will react. I´m sure.

Weasel
05-31-2008, 06:05 AM
Do you think any other European country would build up and start a commando action when no citizens of their own are in danger?
Lust Sunday a freighter of the Netherlands was seized and nobody started any action..


Btw. I don't know if that ship flies the German flag, most times they are flagged under "Panama" or something alike. The ship just belongs to a German shipment company..

Agreed. And these acts of piracy happen since years. It´s noting new.

Herman the II
05-31-2008, 06:06 AM
@ Herman - Mogadishu ?

Yes exactly, it was a German airplane with German citizens aboard and so they started a rescue mission with the GSG 9. They would act similar now if German citizens would be in danger.

Chimera
05-31-2008, 06:07 AM
The other day, some leftists in France explained me that the french operation to rescue hostages on the Ponant was a total failure, extremely expensive and useless. They told me that any other Navy in the world would have been able to catch those pirates. This german case proves me they were the kind of guys who were bringing my country down.

oldsoak
05-31-2008, 06:07 AM
Exactly - we should all sit on our hands and go "tsk tsk" You know theres pirates, you know its dangerous, why go there ? Its been going on for years.

oldsoak
05-31-2008, 06:10 AM
Yes exactly, it was a German airplane with German citizens aboard and so they started a rescue mission with the GSG 9. They would act similar now if German citizens would be in danger.

But not a German registered ship ? So unless the nation of a crewman intervenes nothing will be done. So if a Royal Navy or French naval ship sees a German ship being attacked by pirates, you would be happy for them not to intervene on the basis their nationals are not involved ?

Billy No Mates
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
I really cant see why governments react so differently to ships being hijacked as opposed to aircraft one seems to be a matter of extreme importance the other of supreme indifference .
The international community really needs to sort this,before a real tradgedy occurs of the coast of Somalia .

Herman the II
05-31-2008, 06:17 AM
But not a German registered ship ? So unless the nation of a crewman intervenes nothing will be done. So if a Royal Navy or French naval ship sees a German ship being attacked by pirates, you would be happy for them not to intervene on the basis their nationals are not involved ?


You have to differ between "emergency help" and the build up and undertaking of a commando mission. Of course the "Emden" or any other military vessel would help if nearby, but that wasn't the case.

Mackie
05-31-2008, 08:48 AM
You guys should know that a high number of the worlds freighters are under the German flag because of tax issues. With over 3000 freighters it's the largest trading fleet on the world.
So a lot of them are not really "German".

Weasel
05-31-2008, 08:50 AM
You guys should know that a high number of the worlds freighters are under the German flag because of tax issues. With over 3000 freighters it's the largest trading fleet on the world.
So a lot of them are not really "German".

??????

And german freighters are unter Panama flag why?

Mackie
05-31-2008, 08:56 AM
??????

And german freighters are unter Panama flag why?

Sorry, don't saw the posts :oops:
Perhaps cheaper for them. Don't know the business of that company.


Hmmm. But also difficult. Question is what the German law allow in this case.

Weasel
05-31-2008, 08:59 AM
Sorry, don't saw the posts :oops:


Hmmm. But also difficult. Don't know what the German law allow in this case.

Lots of german ship are under Panama flag because of the tax situation. So I doubt that foreign ships will run under german flag. But I may be wrong.

Mackie
05-31-2008, 09:19 AM
Lots of german ship are under Panama flag because of the tax situation. So I doubt that foreign ships will run under german flag. But I may be wrong.

German ships get a crew benefit for some years. The result is a fast increasing number of ships under German flag.

Dominique
05-31-2008, 10:41 AM
There are tons of ships under Panamanian and Liberian flag. But that doesn't mean you should allow pirate free reign because the ships "Aren't really from your country". If they're allowed to operate with impunity, they'll continue to grow boulder in their attacks. They've been testing the limits for a couple of years now, and other than a few isolated cases, they've pretty much gotten what they want. As long as they know they can get away with committing crimes, they'll continue to do so. If a few of them get arrested or killed, as far as their concerned, that's just the cost of doing business.

Johnny_H02
05-31-2008, 10:52 AM
I wrote "soil", not asset.
So all German Citizens outside Germany are fair game?
That is a pretty yellow way to conduct foreign affairs concerning citizens of your own country.


"Sorry to hear pirates are holding you hostage and threatening to behead you but Mr.Klaus you are outside German borders, so get f**cked! - Signed Weasel Minister of Foreign Affairs Germany"
See how absurd that sounds?

BugHunt
05-31-2008, 11:48 AM
Weasel is there something intrinsically "good" about piracey?

Why should those thieves and often murderers and rapists be allowed to prey on innocent parties let alone German "assets" or nationals outside the strict confines of "German soil".


Is it due to "risk" to those defenders? Perhaps Somali national right to piracey? Or some other reason?

Having real difficulties trying to understand your viewpoint.

Weasel
05-31-2008, 12:02 PM
Weasel is there something intrinsically "good" about piracey?

Why should those thieves and often murderers and rapists be allowed to prey on innocent parties let alone German "assets" or nationals outside the strict confines of "German soil".


Is it due to "risk" to those defenders? Perhaps Somali national right to piracey? Or some other reason?

Having real difficulties trying to understand your viewpoint.

Did I write that piracy is a good thing?

I´m just a big opponent of german out of area missions. (I´m german so I am only interested in german missions.)

Maybe we need an international police for international waters. Yes. But not german military actions anywhere in the world. (except humanitarian aid). Just my two cents and you don´t have to share my view.

Eggy
05-31-2008, 12:31 PM
Do you think any other European country would build up and start a commando action when no citizens of their own are in danger?
Lust Sunday a freighter of the Netherlands was seized and nobody started any action..


Btw. I don't know if that ship flies the German flag, most times they are flagged under "Panama" or something alike. The ship just belongs to a German shipment company..
Ship is owned by a Dutch company but does not fly the Dutch flag nor has it Dutch citizens on board. And eventhough we have a heavily armed frigate (HNLMS Evertsen) in the region escorting WFP ships nothing will be done about it. Apparently the Somalian authorities will send some soldiers to take it back and have requested not to pay ransoms. I hope that at least the services of the Evertsen, which has a CT team onboard, will be offered because I have little faith in Somalia's military.

filochard
05-31-2008, 05:21 PM
If the ship don't fly the German flag I understand they don't care.
Specially if the crew isn't German.

Calanen
05-31-2008, 08:42 PM
Apparently the Somalian authorities will send some soldiers to take it back and have requested not to pay ransoms.


Yeah right. Long odds on that one.

BugHunt
05-31-2008, 09:12 PM
Did I write that piracy is a good thing?

I´m just a big opponent of german out of area missions. (I´m german so I am only interested in german missions.)

Maybe we need an international police for international waters. Yes. But not german military actions anywhere in the world. (except humanitarian aid). Just my two cents and you don´t have to share my view.


Maybe theres a place for some sort of "world navy" - in the future. But until its in place nations do need to project power and protect there interests.

I just feel the consequences of your attitude, here and now, means pirates have a free reign and lots of innocent people (including your citizens) will suffer harm and die.

Id make the argument a "in the area" mission would include rescuing your own citizens and there employees and there assets.

Much as i might take the pee a bit, your nation is one of the least likely to go on some murderous empire building rampage.

Dominique
06-01-2008, 03:09 AM
There's no need for a "world police" or "world navy". Many of the world's maritime powers have agreements allowing their military and law enforcement agencies to render aid to other vessels being attacked by pirates. But, for these agreements to work, you have to have enough backbone to enforce them. If criminals know they've got noting to worry about, then they'll just keep on doing what ever they feel like. It would be like a cop walking down the street, seeing someone getting stabbed, and because the guy getting stabbed isn't from that particular neighborhood, walking on past ignoring it.

guest
06-01-2008, 03:28 AM
Where's the Graf Spee when you need her...

Calanen
06-01-2008, 03:31 AM
It would be like a cop walking down the street, seeing someone getting stabbed, and because the guy getting stabbed isn't from that particular neighborhood, walking on past ignoring it.

Even better than that, there is a follow up by the Police department telling everyone to keep stabbing people from that neighbourhood because they are never going to get involved.

Weasel
06-01-2008, 03:47 AM
Where's the Graf Spee when you need her...

roflroflrofl

Niels
06-01-2008, 12:45 PM
Did I write that piracy is a good thing?

I´m just a big opponent of german out of area missions. (I´m german so I am only interested in german missions.)

Maybe we need an international police for international waters. Yes. But not german military actions anywhere in the world. (except humanitarian aid). Just my two cents and you don´t have to share my view.
So prodiving humanitarian aid to people is okay as long as they live in some third world country somewhere, but taking back one of your own ships that just got stolen and rescueing the people on-board is a big no-no?

Logical.

Weasel
06-01-2008, 01:05 PM
So prodiving humanitarian aid to people is okay as long as they live in some third world country somewhere, but taking back one of your own ships that just got stolen and rescueing the people on-board is a big no-no?

Logical.

Once you understand the difference between no-violent humanitarian aid and the use of force you will see the logic.

Hellfish
06-01-2008, 01:08 PM
So as soon as the locals start throwing rocks at the Germans, you're just gonna back out?

Niels
06-01-2008, 01:19 PM
Once you understand the difference between no-violent humanitarian aid and the use of force you will see the logic.
What an excellent mentality; let's avoid every situation that we can't solve by handing out bags of rice.

Macs.
06-01-2008, 01:21 PM
People like Weasle are the reason why we are in Afghanistan without archiving anything, while paying the highest price.

What you say makes no sense, Weasle. And sounding off like you are the only person on this earth who has any sense and tells the doofuses what to do doesn't help it.

valtrex
06-01-2008, 02:58 PM
You guys should know that a high number of the worlds freighters are under the German flag because of tax issues. With over 3000 freighters it's the largest trading fleet on the world. So a lot of them are not really "German".
You mean the German flag is a flag of convenience? never heard of it.
Actually, no, I think you're wrong. Usually the flags of Panama, Liberia and into some extent Cyprus, are flags of convenience. And if I may add, according to the BTS and the World Factbook, the Greek maritime fleet is today the largest in the world, with 3,099 vessels of 1000 Tonnes or more (December 13, 2007) accounting for 18% of the world's fleet capacity. Germany is not the owner of the world's largest traiding fleet.
According to the U.S. Department of Transportation/Maritime Administration, in 2006:
All Vessel Types
Greece 2,426
Japan 2,059
China 1,738
Germany 1,412
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Tankers
Greece 733
Japan 394
United States 311
Singapore 226
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Containers
Germany 978
Japan 209
China 198
Taiwan 202
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Dry Bulk
Greece 1,326
Japan 1,041
China 979
South Korea 224
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Ro-Ro
Japan 251
United States 73
Norway 71
Italy 52
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Gas Carriers
Japan 78 4.5
Norway 72 3.1
United Kingdom 32 1.9
South Korea
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World Merchant Fleet by Flag
All Vessel Types
Panama 3,415
Liberia 1,410
Greece 555
Hong Kong 721
A friendly advice: Next time before you write, check the facts.
PS: I wish a speedy conclusion for this desperate situation. I can’t imagine how much pain and anguish the family members of the mariners must feel now.

Weasel
06-01-2008, 03:21 PM
People like Weasle are the reason why we are in Afghanistan without archiving anything, while paying the highest price.

What you say makes no sense, Weasle. And sounding off like you are the only person on this earth who has any sense and tells the doofuses what to do doesn't help it.

If "you" (who´s "we"?) are not able to cope with people like me how can you cope with the Taliban?

Maybe someone can explain what to do against the pirates. There are hundreds of incidents every year and thousands of freighters are endangered.

What´s a practicable way of doing something against piracy?

Hellfish
06-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Kill them. Simple.

Dominique
06-01-2008, 03:52 PM
Maybe someone can explain what to do against the pirates. There are hundreds of incidents every year and thousands of freighters are endangered.

What´s a practicable way of doing something against piracy?

I'll be blunt, ARREST or KILL them, it's that simple. I don't think I can make it any clearer. If you don't they will continue to attack shipping.

BugHunt
06-01-2008, 04:32 PM
If "you" (who´s "we"?) are not able to cope with people like me how can you cope with the Taliban?

Maybe someone can explain what to do against the pirates. There are hundreds of incidents every year and thousands of freighters are endangered.

What´s a practicable way of doing something against piracy?


Exactly the same question can be said of ANY violent crime and group of criminals.

It only seems to matter to YOU if there a band of murderers in Berlin or operating off the coast of Somalia.

Criiminals dont really give two ****s...about national boundaries. In any case its plenty legal to lend aid and stop murder. And if it aint fuk the rule books!

The only thing which is "doing your head" seems to be the use of German troops beyond the rather specious boundaries of "german soil".

In a clear cut case of INNOCENT people being attacked i cant see how you can justify standing on the sidelines if your nation have the means and capablity to intervene.

This ISNT a dubious war taken for murky poltical motives.

This ISNT a case of watch the genocide from the sidelines because those masscaring have a large economic backer or because your poltical leaders werent intelligent enough to sit out on Iraq (im talking about UK here), and overstretch leaves our forces incapable of further committments.

Its piracey, kidnap, rape and murder it doesnt get much clearer cut then that.




Im good at seeing the opposites side POV but in this your really pushing out the moonbeams.

BugHunt
06-01-2008, 04:41 PM
And thats the bigger issue.

Company from x country builds a boat registers it in Liberia, crews by the cheapest crew, insure it from the cheapest insurer where the pay out is greater then the cost of human life. Crew on low wages need to get from a to b fast to make any real money.

Stop flag of convenience and foreign crews and you will find that A countries will use assets to combat piracy and B help out the merchant fleet of nations.

Because as of right now under current situation it's just as cheap sacrifice these lives and collect the insurance then it is to provide proper crews, security and combat piracy.

Or maybe force our dear leaders to step up and protect that "cheap foreign labour".....just because there brown/yellow and on minimum wages doesnt mean they havent a right to not get preyed upon.

Mackie
06-01-2008, 06:20 PM
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Containers
Germany 978
Japan 209
China 198
Taiwan 202
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Ahh.
I read a Spiegel article some months ago. Perhaps it was about the container fleet. I will search the article. :)

The "reflagging" began in 2005 after a contract between German shipowners and the government to support the fleet, jobs and industry.
Every year they reflag 100 ships.

jontew
06-05-2008, 02:00 AM
Swedish navy ready to hunt pirates

Published: 5 Jun 08 07:10 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/12236/
The Swedish navy (http://www.thelocal.se/search.php?keywordSearch=navy) has its corvettes ready to hunt pirates along the African coast.


That is the answer the Armed Forces (http://www.thelocal.se/search.php?keywordSearch=Armed_Forces) has offered in response to a question on the matter from the government.

If the Swedish International Corvette Force (IKS) is deployed, it would be for duty in September or October outside of Kenya's and Somalia’s coast and within the framework of the French Operation Alcyon.

The IKS totals 200 people, two corvettes and a support ship, as well as the amphibious regiment’s boarding forces.

The mission is one way to use naval ships to protect trading ships from pirates.

The UN Security Council has unanimously approved a resolution which allows countries to send warships into Somalia’s territorial waters in order to fight pirates.

Swedish participation in the operation is expected to last three months.

For the next six months, UN-resolution 1816 allows countries who have the consent of Somalia’s interim government to use “all measures necessary” to stop the hijacking of ships in exchange for ransoms.

Last year 25 ships were attacked by pirates off of Somalia’s approximately 3000 kilometre-long coast. As recently as late May, Somali pirates hijacked two cargo ships.

Kidnapping and piracy can be lucrative activities. Most Somali pirates treat their hostages well in hopes of receiving a ransom.

According to Swedish Armed Forces spokesperson Roger Magnergård, the money for the operation will come from an appropriation reserved for a mission by the Nordic Battle Group.

If the IKS isn’t deployed along Africa’s coast, it may instead participate in a UN-led UNIFIL force along the coast of Lebanon. Last year, two Swedish corvettes participated there to conduct surveillance of the waters to prevent weapons smuggling. TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)


Could be interesting!

goat89
06-05-2008, 02:08 AM
Uh-oh... here comes the Swedes with their cool looking and nasty boats. Somebody's gonna be jealous. ;)

T3ngu
06-05-2008, 02:15 AM
Swedish + Pirate =

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3574/ua83059zc1dotjpg

goat89
06-05-2008, 02:19 AM
HAHA! LMAO! The French will be like '*****! I WANNA DO AN EXCHANGE PROGRAM!' ;)

venture
06-05-2008, 05:13 AM
what about patrolling our OWN territory?

Abrahamsen
06-05-2008, 11:39 AM
Vikings vs pirates.

This could be good.

Kragh
06-05-2008, 11:49 AM
I think the Swedes needs bigger boats.p-)

Their Corvettes they are sendig are biggish Fast Attack Craft optimized for operations in the Baltic sea and with very limited endurance compared to frigates and destroyers.
(unless I am wrong and they are sending 2 of the awesome Visby class boats).:roll:

kosse
06-05-2008, 11:50 AM
I'll eat my shorts if Swedes really take part in the action.

little icebear
06-05-2008, 11:54 AM
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/a/images/asterix-and-the-vikings-8dotjpg

Hispeed1
06-05-2008, 11:54 AM
Go get some Swedes!

Evolv5
06-05-2008, 12:48 PM
According to wiki, the Swedish navy has 2 Stockholm class corvettes as well as 2 Gothenburg class corvettes, followed by 5 Visby class. Through pure probability, the likelihood of it being a Visby class is high.
But then again, everything isn't simple mathematics.

Would be nice to see 2 "Visbies" out there though.

Wguy
06-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Nope, Stockholm-class according to a Swedish newspaper. However, they have been considerably upgraded lately.

SineJustitia
06-05-2008, 03:44 PM
Pitty. Now the Swedes gave away the element of surprise.

Ah well... Go Sverige!

Luno
06-05-2008, 03:52 PM
I think the Swedes needs bigger boats.p-)

Their Corvettes they are sendig are biggish Fast Attack Craft optimized for operations in the Baltic sea and with very limited endurance compared to frigates and destroyers.
(unless I am wrong and they are sending 2 of the awesome Visby class boats).:roll:

the corvettes are a perfect size for the job, if you want to hunt pirates you need something small and fast that can operate in shallow water

1911-a1
06-05-2008, 04:14 PM
****in awesome.

oldsoak
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
I understand that the Swedes are quite robust when it comes to enforcing peace :-P

signatory
06-05-2008, 05:40 PM
I think the Swedes needs bigger boats.p-)

Their Corvettes they are sendig are biggish Fast Attack Craft optimized for operations in the Baltic sea and with very limited endurance compared to frigates and destroyers.
(unless I am wrong and they are sending 2 of the awesome Visby class boats).:roll:

Well that's why they go with a support ship and refuel, take fresh water, food etc at sea (which that ship can produce from sea water). I like bigger ships but I doubt it's more cost effective to use big frigates just for escorting cargo vessels from one harbor to another.