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CG51
09-21-2008, 04:32 PM
In a change from the original proposal sent to Capitol Hill (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Capitol+Hill), foreign-based banks with big U.S. operations could qualify for the Treasury Department (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=U.S.+Department+of+the+Treasury)’s mortgage bailout, according to the fine print of an administration statement Saturday night.

The theory, according to a participant in the negotiations, is that if the goal is to solve a liquidity crisis, it makes no sense to exclude banks that do a lot of lending in the United States (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=United+States).

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Henry+M.+Paulson) confirmed the change on ABC's "This Week," telling George Stephanopoulos (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=George+Stephanopoulos) that coverage of foreign-based banks is "a distinction without a difference to the American people."

"If a financial institution has business operations in the United States, hires people in the United States, if they are clogged with illiquid assets, they have the same impact on the American people as any other institution," Paulson said.

"That's a distinction without a difference to the American people. The key here is protecting the system. ... We have a global financial system, and we are talking very aggressively with other countries around the world and encouraging them to do similar things, and I believe a number of them will. But, remember, this is about protecting the American people and protecting the taxpayers. and the American people don't care who owns the financial institution. If the financial institution in this country has problems, it'll have the same impact whether it's the U.S. or foreign."

The legislative outline that went to Capitol Hill at 1:30 a.m. Saturday had said that an eligible financial institution had to have “its headquarters in the United States.” That would exclude foreign-based institutions with big U.S. operations, such as Barclays, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland and UBS.

But a Treasury “Fact Sheet” released at 7:15 Saturday night sought to give the administration more flexibility, with an expanded definition that could include all of those banks: “Participating financial institutions must have significant operations in the U.S., unless the Secretary makes a determination, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, that broader eligibility is necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets.”

The major change in the suggested eligibility requirements is the biggest change that Treasury publicly made after a day of briefings and conversations with Capitol Hill, and is likely the first of many.

Aspects of the $700 billion, two-year proposal that are still under negotiation include what, if anything, will be added to the administration’s simple but sweeping proposal. And the parliamentary route, such as what committees or hearings might be involved, has not been finalized.

House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Barney+Frank) (D-Mass.) has a hearing scheduled for Wednesday that is likely to focus on the proposal.

Under what congressional officials called a likely scenario, the measure could go to the House floor on Thursday, with passage expected the same day.

The Senate could take the package up as soon as Friday and send it to President Bush (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=George+W.+Bush) for his signature, although the Senate schedule is less predictable and had not been determined.

Officials expect passage by huge margins in both chambers because Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Ben+Bernanke) have told congressional leaders the country’s financial stability depends on it.

House Democrats plan to insist on adding protections for homeowners facing foreclosure. They also want to add a measure to help homeowners facing bankruptcy and an executive compensation restriction designed to prevent golden parachutes for the heads of troubled institutions.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Barack+Obama), who was supportive of the bailout concept in a statement released Friday, believes that “whatever gets done in Congress has to protect Main Street,” senior adviser Stephanie Cutter said on MSNBC on Saturday.
On “Fox News Sunday,” Paulson told Chris Wallace (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Chris+Wallace) that he would resist the Democrats' desired limits on executive compensation.

"If we design it so it's punitive and institutions aren't going to participate, this won't work the way we need it to work," Paulson said. "Let's talk executive salaries: There have been excesses there. I agree with the American people. Pay should be for performance, not for failure. We've got work to do in that regard. We need to do that work. But we need this system to work. And so reforms need to come afterwards. My whole objective with the plan we have is to give us the maximum ability to make it work.”

And the secretary told NBC’s Tom Brokaw on “Meet the Press (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Meet+the+Press)” that he doesn’t want new regulations simultaneously: “That's not doable to do that immediately. But we very much need new regulations.”

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Christopher+Dodd) told Stephanopoulos on ABC: “If we’re going to spend taxpayer money to get rid of bad debt in these places, what is the reciprocal obligation … from the firms? … I think there’s going to be a strong interest to deal with the Main Street aspects.”

Appearing with him, House Republican (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=U.S.+Republican+Party) Leader John A. Boehner (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=John+Boehner) of Ohio (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Ohio) retorted: “We’ve already dealt with that, when we had the housing bill last summer. I didn’t vote for it, because it’s $300 billion bailout for scam artists and speculators and others around the housing industry. But there are a lot of tools in there to help the Federal Housing Administration (http://search.politico.com/results.cfm?subject=Federal+Housing+Administration) deal with the foreclosure problem that’s out there. We need to rise above partisan politics … and deal with this as adults.”Article here. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13690_Page2.html)

LORD-eX-Bu
09-21-2008, 04:52 PM
oh hell no.

Lefty
09-21-2008, 04:54 PM
I doubt it.

Power_serj
09-21-2008, 04:55 PM
Not going to happen.

Macs.
09-21-2008, 04:58 PM
Sure spending alot for a nation that has no money.

Putting down tax money into the throats of those scammers makes me sick

aed1980
09-21-2008, 05:44 PM
Will not happen!!!!

SOG
09-21-2008, 06:07 PM
The administration's proposal seeks an increase in the limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue. But Paulson said that the government would recoup a part of the $700 billion when the housing market recovers and the mortgage assets rebound in value.
Exactly how much of the 700 BILLION would the government recoup?


"mother of all bailouts" that could well cost $1 trillion when the cost of the government takeovers of Fannie, Freddie and AIG were included.


The proposal "does not include the necessary safeguards," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. She called for "independent oversight, protections for homeowners and constraints on excessive executive compensation."
Oh boy. I am going to agree with this biotch for once.


Congressional Democrats said they understood the need for urgency but insisted that the measure needed to provide help for homeowners threatened with losing their homes. And some GOP leaders told the White House on Sunday to prepare to accept more oversight and guarantees that the Treasury will recoup some of the bailout money.
Agreed!


Another would cap benefit packages for executives at the huge Wall Street firms that will be selling their bad debt to the government.
Double damnation agreed! I have to say it pretty much sounds like the Republicans are dropping the ball on this to a certain extent concerning specifics whereas the Democrats are really helping to shape it into something less screwed up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown


One thing I really do not like about this is the fact that the bailout money will be loaned money ie debt money. So the math department says:
1 trillion in loans to US spent on companies which may or may not pay various amounts of it back. Say we do get back at least a quarter to a half for bailing out the companies. Well what is the interest on the trillion loaned to us in the first place? So anything we do get back will be lining the pockets of those who put up the money for loan to the US. Also, what is to say these companies have completely un-****ed themselves and will pull their asses out of the fire? Are there any provisions in there saying if a company doesn't meet certain requirements how about we liquidate them on the spot?

I feel like we are getting severely shafted for overextended unscrupulous corporate greed. Safer practices would have kept more people from reaching beyond their means.

Flagg
09-21-2008, 09:02 PM
I recently bought a bunch of $100 billion dollar notes from Zimbabwe(as they are the highest denomination of notes in the world at the moment due to ludicrous speed inflation) to use as educational tools to educate folks about inflation.

I now wish to donate $1 trillion Zimbabwean dollars to single-handedly solve this problem.

Woohoo! problem solved! Let's get back to the party! Drinks are on me...can anyone break a $100 billion note?

deagle
09-21-2008, 10:19 PM
why don't the thriving foreign banks bail out our failing US banks ?

if we didn't spend so much on military obligations, or at least better spend the money better, wouldn't there be more room for homeland economy ??

shocker1
09-21-2008, 11:56 PM
Sep 15, 2008 - - “The economic crisis facing our country is deepening, as we saw over the weekend with the failure of Lehman Brothers and the sale of Merrill Lynch. To fully understand the implications of these events, we need to learn more about the Administration’s involvement, and its plans going forward. At the Treasury Secretary’s request, I have postponed tomorrow’s hearing.

“Millions of Americans are struggling to make ends meet as unemployment rises, home values plummet, and everyday necessities like food and gas cost more than ever before. The Banking Committee has played a vital role both in revealing the pattern of lax regulatory oversight that helped to create this financial crisis, and in addressing related economic problems by crafting comprehensive legislation passed earlier this year. As Chairman, I will continue to work on solutions to help Americans weather this storm, including strengthening the housing sector, developing a second stimulus package, and restructuring the regulation of the financial sector. ”Senator Dodd
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Articles.Detail&Article_id=4e66f82d-684f-4bf4-b0b0-73c1b1620e60&Month=9&Year=2008

Good job Senator, you deserve praise for you performance.