TONIGHT: Ahmadinejad Exclusive on Larry King?!

[xav]

TONIGHT: Ahmadinejad Exclusive

9 PM ET

Tonight, a "Larry King Live" exclusive! His interview with Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Get his take on America's political candidates in a revealing hour!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/



Is CNN ****ing kidding me?

[SpecOpsGrandChild]

No, CNN is not kidding you. I was eating lunch while viewing CNN at the same time today, and they said that Larry will interview Mahmoud tonight.

[Johnny_H02]

Holy ****? that is pretty epic. I'll have to watch this thanks for the heads up.

[-Church-]

Maybe we'll get to know that there's no global warming in Iran either.

[aed1980]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/23/ahmadinejad.lkl.transcript/index.html

written part of the interview.

[brainplay]

TONIGHT: Ahmadinejad Exclusive

9 PM ET

Tonight, a "Larry King Live" exclusive! His interview with Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Get his take on America's political candidates in a revealing hour!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/



Is CNN ****ing kidding me?


/sigh...

Why should we care about what other nations think about our candidates? Heck this is coming from the president of a country where they can hang you for adultry. How many people on the MP.net forums would be left over if that was allowed?

I'll get some serious lolz if he comes off as an Obamamaniac.

[Macs.]

What is so crazy about it ? Other western journalists have already interviewed him before, nothing new. He didn't have anything interesting to say.

[szr]

Buddy of mine was supposed to get his photo taken with Ahmadinejad at the UN, today. Priceless.

I'll have to call him later and see if he got it. :lol:

[Notlim]

he is in now

[xav]

What a clown... (and the translator voice is soooo annoying)

[-Church-]

Why should we care about what other nations think about our candidates?

Hum because you're not the center of the universe and you're living in a world with other nations. Also because there's nothing wrong in having an educated opinion of things.

[LEGEND]

Gotta love his pants:)

[Kilgor]

Isn't larry one of "those" people ?

[crayola]

Isn't larry one of "those" people ?

joo?

987654

[Calanen]

Hum because you're not the center of the universe and you're living in a world with other nations. Also because there's nothing wrong in having an educated opinion of things.

You won't get that from President Ahmadinejad, his educated opinions have included classics like:

- the Holocaust was a myth;

- wipe Israel from the map (quickly recanted as a bad translation once Russia got upset with this one);

- there are no gays in Iran.

The guy is a brass band clown and would not be able to identify an educated opinion if it mugged him in broad daylight.

[aed1980]

You won't get that from President Ahmadinejad, his educated opinions have included classics like:

- the Holocaust was a myth;

- wipe Israel from the map (quickly recanted as a bad translation once Russia got upset with this one);

- there are no gays in Iran.

The guy is a brass band clown and would not be able to identify an educated opinion if it mugged him in broad daylight.

The guy is wise in one thing, he knows that a big part of the world population is anti-american, and anti semite (not the same as nazi) so he always talks bad about USA, Israel, and the jewish, media control, holocaust a myth, etc.
Here in Argentina the guy is quite popular for standing against the US and Israel.

[LazerLordz]

Wrong interviewer. He should have gone to Madtv.

[aed1980]

Wrong interviewer. He should have gone to Madtv.

Would like to see him with Jon Stewart.

[Calanen]

The guy is wise in one thing, he knows that a big part of the world population is anti-american, and anti semite (not the same as nazi) so he always talks bad about USA, Israel, and the jewish, media control, holocaust a myth, etc.
Here in Argentina the guy is quite popular for standing against the US and Israel.


There are far better ways to do it though. You look at what a polished speaker the Shah was, and compare him to Ahmadinejad - worlds apart.

There are sensible and legitimate criticisms that can be made of both the USA and Israel - to get your point across without the bottom feeding rhetoric. This is mostly for the home grown crowd I think, and the rest of the Arab street.

[aed1980]

There are far better ways to do it though. You look at what a polished speaker the Shah was, and compare him to Ahmadinejad - worlds apart.

There are sensible and legitimate criticisms that can be made of both the USA and Israel - to get your point across without the bottom feeding rhetoric. This is mostly for the home grown crowd I think, and the rest of the Arab street.

Dont to think he also aims to the leftists?

[Calanen]

Dont to think he also aims to the leftists?

He might, but they'd already agree with him.

[VEVAK]

The guy is a brass band clown and would not be able to identify an educated opinion if it mugged him in broad daylight.

Funny how you say he is a "clown", when no world leader in the world today would have answered the questions as nicely and cleverly as he did. I would like to see Bush even try to answer questions by an Iranian journalist... Maybe thats the reason he never allows to be interviewed by Iranian journalists. Afraid to be embarrassed.


Did you even watch the interview ?

- the Holocaust was a myth;
He answered that. He says more research should be done about it. He does not totally deny it.


- wipe Israel from the map (quickly recanted as a bad translation once Russia got upset with this one);
I won't even go in details about that because it has been discussed so many times.



- there are no gays in Iran.

He also answered this. He meant gays are something to be ashamed of in Iran and said that this rule against gays was started 70 years ago (that is during the Shah's time).


Unfortunately, it seems like you are the so called "clown" by repeating the same old arguments.

[aed1980]

Funny how you say he is a "clown", when no world leader in the world today would have answered the questions as nicely and cleverly as he did. I would like to see Bush even try to answer questions by an Iranian journalist... Maybe thats the reason he never allows to be interviewed by Iranian journalists. Afraid to be embarrassed.


Did you even watch the interview ?

He answered that. He says more research should be done about it. He does not totally deny it.


I won't even go in details about that because it has been discussed so many times.


He also answered this. He meant gays are something to be ashamed of in Iran and said that this rule against gays was started 70 years ago (that is during the Shah's time).


Unfortunately, it seems like you are the so called "clown" by repeating the same old arguments.

You think more research should be done on the holocaust? What do you think about that vevak?

[VEVAK]

You think more research should be done on the holocaust? What do you think about that vevak?

I am not Ahmadinejad and I have never fully and detailedly studied the holocaust, so I cannot say there should be more research or not.

[aed1980]

I am not Ahmadinejad and I have never fully and detailedly studied the holocaust, so I cannot say there should be more research or not.

You are iranian , right?

[LaoSexMachine]

I am not Ahmadinejad and I have never fully and detailedly studied the holocaust, so I cannot say there should be more research or not.


Kind of obvious to learn more. Don't you think?

[VEVAK]

You are iranian , right?

What do you think ?

[aed1980]

What do you think ?

Maybe you could be from iranian descent.
Then i wanted to ask you why is he so worried about palestinians? Honestly tell me, he is shiite, the are sunnis, he is persian,they are arabs. Its only cause they are muslims?

[VEVAK]

Kind of obvious to learn more. Don't you think?

I know the basics and that is currently enough for me. I currently don't have the time for a full or detailed study/research.

[Calanen]

Funny how you say he is a "clown", when no world leader in the world today would have answered the questions as nicely and cleverly as he did. I would like to see Bush even try to answer questions by an Iranian journalist... Maybe thats the reason he never allows to be interviewed by Iranian journalists. Afraid to be embarrassed.




Did you even watch the interview ?
I don't even have a television. So no. But on previous form, the guy is a goose.


He answered that. He says more research should be done about it. He does not totally deny it.

O RLY:



They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said.

"(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."
"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/




I won't even go in details about that because it has been discussed so many times.

Fine with me. He said it, and then backpeddalled after he did. It was even on his own website in English until it got sent down the memory hole by some deletion.


He also answered this. He meant gays are something to be ashamed of in Iran and said that this rule against gays was started 70 years ago (that is during the Shah's time).

What a load of horses****. This is what he said, without the backpedal spin. Notice in the translation that people were laughing at him, laughing AT him. That's because he came across as a buffoon, a clown.



AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): In Iran, too, there's capital punishment for illicit drug traffickers, for people who violated the rights of people. If somebody takes up a gun, goes into a house, kills a group of people there, and then tries to take ransom, how would you confront them in Iran -- or in the United States? Would you reward them? Can a physician allow microbes symbolically speaking to spread across a nation?

We have laws. People who violate the public rights of the people by using guns, killing people, creating insecurity, sells drugs, distribute drugs at a high level are sentenced to execution in Iran.


And some of these punishments, very few, are carried in the public eye, before the public eye. It's a law, based on democratic principles. You use injections and microbes to kill these people, and they, they're executed or they're hung. But the end result is killing.


QUESTION: Mr. President, the question isn't about criminal and drug smugglers. The question was about ****** preference and women.

(APPLAUSE)


AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): In Iran, we don't have homo******s, like in your country.

(LAUGHTER)

We don't have that in our country.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it.

(LAUGHTER)


But, as for women, maybe you think that being a woman is a crime. It's not a crime to be a woman.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/





Unfortunately, it seems like you are the so called "clown" by repeating the same old arguments.

Nah, loads more people laugh at Ahmadinejad than myself. He is a much better clown than me, the whole world laughs at him. And anyone who supports him.

Guess that includes you.

[LaoSexMachine]

Maybe you could be from iranian descent.
Then i wanted to ask you why is he so worried about palestinians? Honestly tell me, he is shiite, the are sunnis, he is persian,they are arabs. Its only cause they are muslims?


They don't give a shyt about the Palestinians. They use them as an excuse to hate Israel.

[LaoSexMachine]

I know the basics and that is currently enough for me. I currently don't have the time for a full or detailed study/research.


And what basic is that?

[aed1980]

They don't give a shyt about the Palestinians. They use them as an excuse to hate Israel.

Man, he looks like a monkey, he is one ugly son of a bitch.

[-Church-]

You won't get that from President Ahmadinejad, his educated opinions have included classics like:

- the Holocaust was a myth;

- wipe Israel from the map (quickly recanted as a bad translation once Russia got upset with this one);

- there are no gays in Iran.

The guy is a brass band clown and would not be able to identify an educated opinion if it mugged him in broad daylight.

I know I know, what I mean is it's important to know what other people think. Especially heads of state. It just irritates me how some american prance around saying 'what does the rest of the world has to tell us'. It's annoying and perpetuates a bad stereotype for the rest of them.


They don't give a shyt about the Palestinians. They use them as an excuse to hate Israel.

Absolutely, it's just because they're muslim. When you attack a muslim they all get united like they're a big family but the second you leave, they're back at doing what they do best. Killing each others.

[Elemental666]

If this retard wants to study the Holocaust, he is more then welcomed to visit Yad Vashem and all the institutes that made PHENOMENAL amount of research on this topic. Until then it would be better for him to stop embarrassing Iran every time he opens his mouth.

[aed1980]

If this retard wants to study the Holocaust, he is more then welcomed to visit Yad Vashem and all the institutes that made PHENOMENAL amount of research on this topic. Until then it would be better for him to stop embarrassing Iran every time he opens his mouth.

But Yad Vashem is a creation of the zionistssss :)

[VEVAK]

Maybe you could be from iranian descent.
Then i wanted to ask you why is he so worried about palestinians? Honestly tell me, he is shiite, the are sunnis, he is persian,they are arabs. Its only cause they are muslims?

No I am fully Iranian,

Palestinian issue is a very, very tricky one. Even the people in Iran know that the government of Ahmadinejad over-uses it! This is used as a counter balance when it comes to interviews, because it works very well.

[aed1980]

No I am fully Iranian,

Palestinian issue is a very, very tricky one. Even the people in Iran know that the government of Ahmadinejad over-uses it! This is used as a counter balance when it comes to interviews, because it works very well.

Ok, thanks, at least i know the citizens are not stupid as the president.

[-Church-]

Ok, thanks, at least i know the citizens are not stupid as the president.

Well Iran might be an Islamist regime, their population is really young. They actually got a majority of young people. They're a lot into western culture.

[VEVAK]

And what basic is that?

The amount of an average person would know, probably a bit more.

[aed1980]

Well Iran might be an Islamist regime, their population is really young. They actually got a majority of young people. They're a lot into western culture.

Yes, i wonder what do they think about of the extremists fvks they have as rulers.

[LaoSexMachine]

The amount of an average person would know, probably a bit more.

Like I said what basics. Just tell me what is your "basic" knowledge. Or just admit you don't know.

[BlackFlag]

Watching the re-broadcast right now.

I get the feeling King would like to deck this guy.

[BlackFlag]

I know the basics and that is currently enough for me. I currently don't have the time for a full or detailed study/research.

want a detailed study?

google "holocaust pictures"

don't have time for that?

I'd post a picture but they are to HORRIFIC to post.

It really pisses me off when people like you can even try to hint at denying maybe the most well documented atrocity of all time.

[Sanat-e-naft]

I would be interested to hear what other people who can actually understand him (and not having to listen to the dying cat translator) thought of it.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Wow, that interview was like a 20 minute visit to Mars.

I wouldn't be so insulting as to call him a clown, but over-sized shoes and a red nose that goes "honk" when you squeeze it wouldn't have been totally out of place. He's a good speaker and does reasonably well on camera, but there's no getting around the fact that it's like listening to somebody who just emerged from the 1700's. Presumably he can accept the fact that the world is round without personally conducting more "study" on it.

[brainplay]

Hum because you're not the center of the universe and you're living in a world with other nations. Also because there's nothing wrong in having an educated opinion of things.

Well, no we aren't the center of the universe nor am I trying to say we are. But these are American elections which only allow American citizens to vote (insert illegal alien jokes here). However, I don't think people or in the UK should care what an American thinks about their candidates, nor people in Germany, Italy, etc. You get my point?

[Calanen]

Here is a year old article on who Ahmadinejad is - that is a good read.


Who is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Monday, 24 September 2007

To understand Ahmadinejad’s mind set and behavior requires a close scrutiny of the elaborate and intricate theology of Hujjatiyyah Shiism, perhaps the most fundamentalist of the numerous Shiite sects.

In the 1950s, a group of Islamic clergy led by Sheikh Mahmoud Halabi (a close associate of Ayatollah Khomeini) formed a society called the Anjoman-e Khayryyehye Hujjatiyyah-ye Mahdaviat (Charitable Society of the Mahdi), based in Mashhad, Iran. The Hujjatiyyah membership was mostly composed by the bazaar-i businessmen and fanatical mullahs. Among many things, they were against the communists, Marxists, and atheists. Their overarching "raison d'être," however, was to prepare the world for the upcoming of the 12th Imam -- the Mahdi.

However, the most important immediate agenda item on their list was to harass and persecute the Baha'is, a religious group representing a small percentage of Iran's population. In fact, the Hujjatiyyah-y's alternative name became "The anti-Baha'i Society" (Anjuman-e Zidd-e Baha'iyat). They collectively worked for a single purpose: the eradication of Baha'is.

The terrible plight of the Baha'is in Iran is particularly heart-wrenching, since they are the largest non-Muslim population in the country and have been, from day one, severely brutalized by Muslims. Baha'i teachings of tolerance and openness to science are anathema to the Islamofascists on many levels, but the history of the faith includes direct challenges to the theological legitimacy of the mullahs. These slaveholders find the Baha'i faith a threat to their own version of Islam and the absolute theocratic power it puts their hands.

The egomaniac President Ahmadinejad is a member of Hujjatiyyah. He sees himself as the personal vassal of the Mahdi-Messiah or Hidden Imam, with whom he has fantasized tête-à-têtes frequently.

Ahmadinejad, a man driven by his religion, has a spiritual advisor in Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi (the defacto leader of the Hujjatiyyah). The President's advisor is known for his extremist views on Islam and promotes suicide bombings and attacks on civilians in the West. There is only view of Islam for him. He once said, "...if anyone tells you their own interpretation of Islam, punch them in the mouth!"

President Ahmadinejad has in a short time acquired great many descriptors at home and overseas: zealot, fascist, fanatic, anti-Semitic, lunatic and more. One prominent Western columnist called him "unhinged." But we cannot just dismiss the man as an aberration, someone who is in urgent need of psychological help, a person out of touch with reality, who represents nothing of substance.

Once again the West is misreading and misjudging people and events in the Middle East, due to the fact that it views things through its own prism.

Looking at the man through Western spectacles, he indeed appears to be all of the above and more. Yet Ahmadinejad is far from unhinged. As a matter of fact he is firmly hinged to a set of beliefs that dictate his views of the world, and inform him how he should deal with it from his position of power.

An unhinged man has the potential of becoming once again hinged. But, there is very little that can be done to a person who is inseparably hinged, and Ahmadinejad views are firmly rooted in the most orthodox philosophy of Shiism.

For our purposes, however, it is sufficient to document the fact that Ahmadinejad is not mentally disturbed; there is no display of contradictory thoughts and behavior. There is a full internal consistency in Ahmadinejad. Ahmadinejad's words, deeds and beliefs show a fully hinged person.

Below are a few examples of his sayings, beliefs and actions. Whether one agrees or disagrees with them, they all fit perfectly into a consistent pattern.

▪ He literally believes in the imminent emergence of the Mahdi - the Shiites' promised one who is expected to appear to set aright a decadent and wretched world.

▪ He views himself as the vassal of Mahdi, working for him and being accountable to him.

▪ His main task is to prepare the world so to hasten the Mahdi's coming. If this preparation requires much destruction and bloodshed, so be it.

▪ As a former mayor of Tehran, he developed elaborate detailed plans preparing the city for the arrival of the Mahdi.

▪ He allocated generous sums for extensive road improvement to a mosque at Jamkaaraan near the city of Qum where it is believed the promised Mahdi is hiding in a well since the age of four, over 1100 years ago.

▪ He reportedly visits the well frequently and drops his written supplications into the well for the hidden Mahdi to act upon them.

▪ He has said in private that it was he who asked the Mahdi to inflict the massive stroke on Ariel Sharon.

▪ He sees the Jews as the sworn enemies of Islam. The hostility dates back to the time of Muhammad's own treatment of the Jews in Medina. At first, expediently, Muhammad called the Jews "people of the book," and accorded them a measure of tolerance until he gained enough power to unleash his devastating wrath on them.

▪ He says that the Holocaust is a myth. He is, in this respect, in good company with a number of other revisionist fanatics.

▪ He wants Israel to be wiped out of the map or transferred to Europe.

▪ In his speech at the UN general assembly, he implored the Mahdi to come and save the world. He claimed that during his speech of some twenty odd minutes, a powerful light enveloped him and all participants were held transfixed, unable to move their eyes.

▪ He believes that the earth is Allah's and all people must either become believers of his brand of Islam or must perish as infidels najis (unclean) who by their very presence defile Allah's earth.

▪ He believes that this earthly life is passing and worthless in comparison to the afterlife awaiting a devoted and faithful believer. Hence, he holds to the old belief that if a faithful kills an infidel, he goes to Allah's paradise; and, if the faithful gets killed in the process of serving the faith, again he goes to Allah's paradise. Hence, it is a win-win proposition for the faithful.

Ahmadinejad is a true devoted Muslim. Being unpredictable, self-contradictory and inconsistent are major symptoms of the mentally unhinged. By these standards of insanity, Ahmadinejad emerges as completely sane. He is fully predictable, consistent and has shown no self-contradiction. He does not even pretend that he misspoke or apologize for his outrageous statements. He is not a typical politician who practices the devious art of doublespeak, deception and change of position to suit his immediate convenience.

He knows who he is, what he believes, and what his own mission in life is: serving as the instrument for the revered Mahdi. Allah will make him emerge from the well as soon as the world's conditions hit absolute hopeless bottom. Ahmadinejad sees himself as a driver who can play a critical role in doing just that, driving the world to the very bottom. And he plans on having an arsenal of nuclear weapons as soon as possible.

There is nothing really "unhinged" about Ahamadinejad's thinking, statements and actions. They are internally consistent. He is simply a fanatic who is wedded to an extremely dangerous exclusionary system of belief. Humanity must learn that dismissing him as a lunatic will result in great suffering, as it did with Hitler.

Tragically, Ahmadinejad is the embodiment of several million people who are hinged exactly like him and who are willing to give their lives, and take with them as many lives as required in the service of their belief. In this age of Weapons of Mass Destruction a man with huge sums of petrodollars can serve as the catalyst of total annihilation.

Prudence would err on the side of being an alarmist than a complacent dismissive.

Ahmadinejad and his ilk are not interested in any negotiation, any compromise or any live-and-let-live final solution. They are determined to be the soldiers of Mahdi come-what-may. They have no problem with the total destruction of the world. They are headed for a life of eternal bliss in Allah's paradise. They hardly care, even rejoice, if the rest of humanity is subjected to a tragic death in the nuclear, biological and chemical wasteland of planet earth.

Humanity cannot afford and must not ignore the emergence of the final threat to its very existence on this planet.


http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=2

[Wonsild]

It is so embarrassing to read kindergarden level comments here about the president of a sovereign state, who is being called "clown" and "ugly" and so on. When people have nothing to say on the subject, they start talking nonsense like discussing his trousers and shoes...
On the other side, I would not call him charismatic leader, but so I wouldn't call Bush nor Merkel nor Medvedev :)

Agreeing to see Larry King was quite a brave thing to do and shows that he is not afraid or ashamed of his position since willing to discuss sensitive issues in public. And that deserves respect.

[aed1980]

It is so embarrassing to read kindergarden level comments here about the president of a sovereign state, who is being called "clown" and "ugly" and so on. When people have nothing to say on the subject, they start talking nonsense like discussing his trousers and shoes...
On the other side, I would not call him charismatic leader, but so I wouldn't call Bush nor Merkel nor Medvedev :)

Agreeing to see Larry King was quite a brave thing to do and shows that he is not afraid or ashamed of his position since willing to discuss sensitive issues in public. And that deserves respect.

If you lost family members in the holocaust its kind hard to respect this fvcker, sorry mate.

[Wonsild]

If you lost family members in the holocaust its kind hard to respect this fvcker, sorry mate.

Why? He did not take part in the holocaust.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Agreeing to see Larry King was quite a brave thing to do and shows that he is not afraid or ashamed of his position since willing to discuss sensitive issues in public. And that deserves respect.

Nazis were unafraid to articulate their opinions too - in fact Hitler was great at it. It is the content of that opinion that strips them of any respect they'd otherwise be due, IMO.

In his speech at the UN yesterday, Bush said something that addresses this issue: "Instead of treating all forms of government as equally tolerable, we must actively challenge the conditions of tyranny and despair that allow terror and extremism to thrive." We have to have to have the courage to continue to fight for the advancement of human rights and not fall back on comforting PC ideas involving moral relativism.

[Wonsild]

Nazis were unafraid to articulate their opinions too - in fact Hitler was great at it. It is the content of that opinion that strips them of any respect they'd otherwise be due, IMO.

In his speech at the UN yesterday, Bush said something that addresses this issue: "Instead of treating all forms of government as equally tolerable, we must actively challenge the conditions of tyranny and despair that allow terror and extremism to thrive." We have to have to have the courage to continue to fight for the advancement of human rights and not fall back on comforting PC ideas involving moral relativism.

Nazis did something that nobody knew where it would lead to - world was unaware. Not the case now.

And with regards to Bush speech.. It is pandora's box. Who will decide which government is good and which one is bad? And what is going to happen when it is decided that government is "bad"..invade the country and change government?

[Calanen]

It is so embarrassing to read kindergarden level comments here about the president of a sovereign state, who is being called "clown" and "ugly" and so on.

When people have nothing to say on the subject, they start talking nonsense like discussing his trousers and shoes...


I have plenty to say on the subject. And he is a clown. My comments were substantive about why he was and is a clown, because of the completely ridiculous things that he says.


Agreeing to see Larry King was quite a brave thing to do and shows that he is not afraid or ashamed of his position since willing to discuss sensitive issues in public. And that deserves respect.

This holocause denying anti-Jewish nutcase that believes in a Mahdi that lives in a well and destroying infidels and jihad deserves my respect because he appears on one a soft touch show like Larry King? Give me a break.

He is the puppet of the religious dictatorship.

http://www.youtube.com/v/FckLO8HcNyo

[big_les]

Why? He did not take part in the holocaust.

Because he's p1ssing on their graves! Besides which wilful ignorance of that order is disgusting regardless. His involvement or not is a total red herring. Should I command respect amongst Americans if I deny 9/11, for example?

[-Church-]

Well, no we aren't the center of the universe nor am I trying to say we are. But these are American elections which only allow American citizens to vote (insert illegal alien jokes here). However, I don't think people or in the UK should care what an American thinks about their candidates, nor people in Germany, Italy, etc. You get my point?

Yeah I understand but the way you were saying it felt very arrogant. I mean I hate it when I read people saying 'please americans vote for Obama' or crap like that. Same way I got irrated when americans said 'the french finally wised up and elected a french president'.

Im not saying take into consideration what other countries think about your candidate, I said there's nothing wrong in listening to what other countries think about them just as there's nothing wrong with them voicing their opinion of a candidate to the presidential election.


Nazis did something that nobody knew where it would lead to - world was unaware. Not the case now.

Yeah invading, occupying countries and genocide were definitely new things in 1944.


And with regards to Bush speech.. It is pandora's box. Who will decide which government is good and which one is bad?

How about common sense. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and North Korea are no brainers.

[BAF]

more proof about the holocaust, what kind of bull**** is that??!!. werent the camps they found with milions of dead and nearly dead jews not proof enough? and nazi and ss leaders admitting al the horrible things. Things like this makes my blood boil.

[brainplay]

Im not saying take into consideration what other countries think about your candidate, I said there's nothing wrong in listening to what other countries think about them just as there's nothing wrong with them voicing their opinion of a candidate to the presidential election.

I understand the concept of free speech and even extend it to people who don't have that option. I encourage anyone who wants to voice their opinions whenever they feel like it and people frequently do (even if I don't agree with them) here on a regular basis.

But can you give me a valid reason to listen to what other countries are saying about them? I mean a valid reason other than letting them blow off some steam?


Agreeing to see Larry King was quite a brave thing to do and shows that he is not afraid or ashamed of his position since willing to discuss sensitive issues in public. And that deserves respect.

Agreeing to see Larry King was NOT a brave thing to do. I'll put money down that he's been pushing to get some airtime with an American media outlet to hear his "side of the story". These guys understand propoganda better than we do and he definitely understands that many westerners will believe what is spoon fed to them from a credible source. The only problem is that he kept tripping up on some of the social issues that has condemned him in the eyes of many.

[apadana]

Yes, i wonder what do they think about of the extremists fvks they have as rulers.

What do we think? We had dictatorship regimes for as long as we remember. This regime is no exception , the only difference is the fact that they are not friends with America . As a result , Western politicians and media has put Iran on the spotlight . We know this regime is bad , unjust , and unfair but why do you Westerners suddenly care about they way we are treated in Iran? Why are you guys suddenly caring about human rights abuse in Iran? Where was your outcry when Shah was throwing thousands of people in jail and executing people who didn’t agree with him? My point is that the Iranian people neither trust the Iranian government or the West . We know the United States could care less about our lives and rights so we simply don’t care about American politicians making statements about how the Mullahs have been oppressing because its been happening for a damn long time and it was happening when America was supporting the Shah. We do want better relationship with you guys but its obvious that we really don’t trust you guys . Iran could have been a Democratic nation today if the Brits and Americans didn’t interfere with our internal politics as Dr. Mosdagh ( Iran’s only Democratic leader) nationalized the Iranian oil Company from British control he was ousted by a coup orchestrated by the CIA which brought back the Shah. My point is the Iranian people really don’t trust anyone today because of the past. And for this reason I don’t see Iran and the United Stated ever becoming true allies with a trustworthy relationship . We just might have “normal” relationship with the US but that’s about it.

[aed1980]

What do we think? We had dictatorship regimes for as long as we remember. This regime is no exception , the only difference is the fact that they are not friends with America . As a result , Western politicians and media has put Iran on the spotlight . We know this regime is bad , unjust , and unfair but why do you Westerners suddenly care about they way we are treated in Iran? Why are you guys suddenly caring about human rights abuse in Iran? Where was your outcry when Shah was throwing thousands of people in jail and executing people who didn’t agree with him? My point is that the Iranian people neither trust the Iranian government or the West . We know the United States could care less about our lives and rights so we simply don’t care about American politicians making statements about how the Mullahs have been oppressing because its been happening for a damn long time and it was happening when America was supporting the Shah. We do want better relationship with you guys but its obvious that we really don’t trust you guys . Iran could have been a Democratic nation today if the Brits and Americans didn’t interfere with our internal politics as Dr. Mosdagh ( Iran’s only Democratic leader) nationalized the Iranian oil Company from British control he was ousted by a coup orchestrated by the CIA which brought back the Shah. My point is the Iranian people really don’t trust anyone today because of the past. And for this reason I don’t see Iran and the United Stated ever becoming true allies with a trustworthy relationship . We just might have “normal” relationship with the US but that’s about it.

I understand what you say, but i dont care about you, and other inhabitants of iran, i feel that iranian leaders disrespect my country, my religion, and my history. I dont see any protest about that in iran, so no, i dont care about human rights, economy, nothing about iran.
But when they threat my country, i wish your country the worst possible scenario.

[apadana]

I understand what you say, but i dont care about you, and other inhabitants of iran, i feel that iranian leaders disrespect my country, my religion, and my history. I dont see any protest about that in iran, so no, i dont care about human rights, economy, nothing about iran.
But when they threat my country, i wish your country the worst possible scenario.

Your post illustrates what I just exactly just said. You guys don’t care about us so why should we care about you ? you just said your mad because you don’t see us protesting against our leaders remarks against your nation and then you said your don’t care about us or our rights , people , ect… Last time I checked this wasn’t a one-way highway. A little selfish , isn’t it?

[aed1980]

Your post illustrates what I just exactly just said. You guys don’t care about us so why should we care about you when one of our dictators says something about your country? Last time I checked this wasn’t a one-way highway .

He is disrepecting the holocaust victims, and my religion.
When in denmark a guy made mohammed cartoon, all muslims including your president wanted to lynch the guy and tear down europe, then he did a cartoon contest about the holocaust, i really dont understand what you are defending??

[apadana]

He is disrepecting the holocaust victims, and my religion.
When in denmark a guy made mohammed cartoon, all muslims including your president wanted to lynch the guy and tear down europe, then he did a cartoon contest about the holocaust, i really dont understand what you are defending??

I am not defending anything . I am answering someone question. You’re the one who is trying to defend something , which I still cant figure out .

About the cartoons. I like to remind you , Iran is a Dictatorship, open a book or something you will know. Iranians are not free to protest against their government officials. There are harsh punishment. But still we still have people protesting but you don’t hear about it because you probably get yours news from a few sources. And the Danish cartoons only drew hundreds of protesters in Iran , even though it was advertised by the government . My question is , what point are you trying to make by comparing the Danish cartoons protests? The answers to your question are on GOOGLE but what point are you trying to make?


ps.
I really didn’t want to expose my religion on this forum because I don’t like to discuss anything about religion with strangers as it always turns into a fight but I am Jewish and Iranian , I don’t get offended by his comments because I know its rhetoric, why do you get offended?

[aed1980]

I am not defending anything . I am answering someone question. You’re the one who is trying to defend something , which I still cant figure out .

About the cartoons. I like to remind you , Iran is a Dictatorship, open a book or something you will know. Iranians are not free to protest against their government officials. There are harsh punishment. But still we still have people protesting but you don’t hear about it because you probably get yours news from a few sources. And the Danish cartoons only drew hundreds of protesters in Iran , even though it was advertised by the government . My question is , what point are you trying to make by comparing the Danish cartoons protests? The answers to your question are on GOOGLE but what point are you trying to make?


ps.
I really didn’t want to expose my religion on this forum because I don’t like to discuss anything about religion with strangers as it always turns into a fight but I am Jewish and Iranian , I don’t get offended by his comments because I know its rhetoric, why do you get offended?


Cause i live in a democracy and im not affraid.

[apadana]

Cause i live in a democracy and im not affraid.

I live in Iran and the United States. I am not afraid of anyone but I still don’t get offended. Because I understand the substance behind all the talk , maybe you should look into it and read some books about the history of Israel and Iran because there is more to it then Ahmadinejad saying “Israel should be wiped off the map”.

[VEVAK]

Like I said what basics. Just tell me what is your "basic" knowledge. Or just admit you don't know.

Oh yes, I do not know a thing about the holocaust. Who was Hitler again ?

If I would have lied, then I would have probably said I'm an expert in this situation.

[aed1980]

I live in Iran and the United States. I am not afraid of anyone but I still don’t get offended. Because I understand the substance behind all the talk , maybe you should look into it and read some books about the history of Israel and Iran because there is more to it then Ahmadinejad saying “Israel should be wiped off the map”.

Sorry man, but i care about present and future,,, keep supporting ahmadinejad and its regime, i will continue supporting the zionist regime.
case closed for me.

[apadana]

Sorry man, but i care about present and future,,, keep supporting ahmadinejad and its regime, i will continue supporting the zionist regime.
case closed for me.

Show me where I supported Ahmadinejad and his regime . I challenge you to show the least bit that illustrates I said such thing . I choose to keep an open mind , I am not going to support one side because I hate the other side . This isn’t a sport, this is real life , real people , it’s a dangerous game . The Least we can do is to educate ourselves about the current situation to better understand it.

AGAIN I CHLLANGE TO SHOW WHERE I SUPPORTED AHMADINEJAD :bash:

[VEVAK]

I understand what you say, but i dont care about you, and other inhabitants of iran, i feel that iranian leaders disrespect my country, my religion, and my history. I dont see any protest about that in iran, so no, i dont care about human rights, economy, nothing about iran.


Cyrus the Great freed all the Jews from Babylon. Jews have a guaranteed seat in the parliment. Jews can practice their religion freely in Iran. Iran has the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Jews are considered "People of The Book".


But when they threat my country, i wish your country the worst possible scenario
Who has over 200 nuclear warheads ? Israel or Iran ? Who keeps their nuclear facilities secret ? Iran hasn't even attacked any country for over 200 years!

[Johnny_H02]

Holy ****, that translator is so damn irritating.

[LaoSexMachine]

Oh yes, I do not know a thing about the holocaust. Who was Hitler again ?

If I would have lied, then I would have probably said I'm an expert in this situation.

So what basics? Basics are different from one to the next.

[Excalibur]

i don't understand why this clown deserves so many threads on this forum.
why we need new thread each time this idiot opens his mouth ?

[BlackFlag]

Holy ****, that translator is so damn irritating.
word.......

[NimDod]

why we need new thread each time this idiot opens his mouth ?

mabe because it seems that many people agree with what he says.

when he finnished his speach at the UN, most of the representatives at the hall were clapping their hands, werent they?

[NimDod]

Your post illustrates what I just exactly just said. You guys don’t care about us so why should we care about you ? you just said your mad because you don’t see us protesting against our leaders remarks against your nation and then you said your don’t care about us or our rights , people , ect… Last time I checked this wasn’t a one-way highway. A little selfish , isn’t it?


a small difference is that Iran supports Terrorists organizations in funds and weapons.
add this to the daily "Israel should be wiped out" speach accompanied by a mass launching of long range missiles display - and you might get an idea why we (Israelis) and other free-world citizens dont like your little leader.

if the Shah was that bad and the current reign isnt any different, than why dont you do anything about it, besides bitching about what the US and the UK did and didnt do 40 years ago?

p.s, could you post with normal-sized fonts? this is really annoying

[Fiber]

mabe because it seems that many people agree with what he says.

when he finnished his speach at the UN, most of the representatives at the hall were clapping their hands, werent they?

I didn't watch the speech but the clapping could be out of politeness.

[VEVAK]

add this to the daily "Israel should be wiped out" speach
The Soviet Union has been "wiped of the map", but has anything happened to its people ? Were they nuked ?



accompanied by a mass launching of long range missiles display -
Whats wrong with missiles with conventional warheads when Israel has missiles with NUCLEAR warheads ?

[aed1980]

The Soviet Union has been "wiped of the map", but has anything happened to its people ? Were they nuked ?



Whats wrong with missiles with conventional warheads when Israel has missiles with NUCLEAR warheads ?

How do you know israel has missiles with NUCLEAR warheads???
Besides, stop flaming man!!!

[KuroiRyu]

The Soviet Union has been "wiped of the map", but has anything happened to its people ? Were they nuked ?

U.S.S.R. was wiped of the map because was collapsed by it's own, the economy was collapsed, the entire political system was collapsed. Israel will never collapse for problems like this. Israel is a little country, full of resources and they are all united. I consider Israelian society the most winner in the world together with the Japanese one.


Whats wrong with missiles with conventional warheads when Israel has missiles with NUCLEAR warheads ?

The wrong thing is that on the Iranian missiles there's write "Israel will be wiped off", some years ago I remembr that on some parade, indeed are for offensive reasons.

The Israeli missiles charged with nuclear warheads will never be used for wipe off Iran, but will be used only for retaliate. "You wiped off Tel Aviv, I wipe off Teheran".

[VEVAK]

How do you know israel has missiles with NUCLEAR warheads???
Besides, stop flaming man!!!

Flaming ?

Please don't tell me Israel does not have nuclear warheads.

Even Jimmy Carter said Israel has 150 nuclear weapons its in arsenal:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4004300.ece


And:
http://www.youtube.com/v/PYeJ7uIPEbE

[aed1980]

Flaming ?

Please don't tell me Israel does not have nuclear warheads.

Even Jimmy Carter said Israel has 150 nuclear weapons its in arsenal:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4004300.ece


And:
http://www.youtube.com/v/PYeJ7uIPEbE


Thats your source??? an animation??? come on man!!!!
Jimmy carter is a famous senile antisemite.

[Elemental666]

After 1973 we don't need to prove to anyone our restraint with our nuclear arsenal.

If these weapons exist, it will the absolute last and final resort for retaliation.

[VEVAK]

U.S.S.R. was wiped of the map because was collapsed by it's own, the economy was collapsed, the entire political system was collapsed. Israel will never collapse for problems like this. Israel is a little country, full of resources and they are all united. I consider Israelian society the most winner in the world together with the Japanese one.
It doesn't matter. When you look in the map today, you don't see USSR anymore. Has anything happened to its people ? no. What about South Africa under Apartheid ? Same Idea. Doesn't exist anymore. Wiped of the map doesn't mean getting nuked!! Some people want to think Iran wants to somehow "nuke Israel" (when Iran doesn't even have nukes), so Iran gets attacked.




The wrong thing is that on the Iranian missiles there's write "Israel will be wiped off", some years ago I remembr that on some parade, indeed are for offensive reasons.

The Israeli missiles charged with nuclear warheads will never be used for wipe off Iran, but will be used only for retaliate. "You wiped off Tel Aviv, I wipe off Teheran".

Iran has said its missile force will be used to hit Israel or US forces back. So it is defensive. Iran will never start a war, especially not anytime soon.

[aed1980]

It doesn't matter. When you look in the map today, you don't see USSR anymore. Has anything happened to its people ? no. What about South Africa under Apartheid ? Same Idea. Doesn't exist anymore. Wiped of the map doesn't mean getting nuked!! Some people want to think Iran wants to somehow "nuke Israel" (when Iran doesn't even have nukes), so Iran gets attacked.




Iran has said its missile force will be used to hit Israel or US forces back. So it is defensive. Iran will never start a war, especially not anytime soon.

Of course not!!! They use hezbollah instead!

[KuroiRyu]

It doesn't matter. When you look in the map today, you don't see USSR anymore. Has anything happened to its people ? no. What about South Africa under Apartheid ? Same Idea. Doesn't exist anymore. Wiped of the map doesn't mean getting nuked!! Some people want to think Iran wants to somehow "nuke Israel" (when Iran doesn't even have nukes), so Iran gets attacked.

U.S.S.R. was full of problems, a total different story.

Can you tell me how Israel can be wiped off the map?



Iran has said its missile force will be used to hit Israel or US forces back. So it is defensive. Iran will never start a war, especially not anytime soon.

But Ahmadin wait just this. They are waiting a strike for strike back with all they have. That regime want the war.

[VEVAK]

Thats your source??? an animation??? come on man!!!!
Jimmy carter is a famous senile antisemite.

There are way more sources, all you have to do is some research.

[VEVAK]

U.S.S.R. was full of problems, a total different story.

Can you tell me how Israel can be wiped off the map?
Israeli (Zionist to be specific) regime falls, a new regime is created. You can't see State of Israel in the maps anymore. Just like you can't see USSR in the maps anymore.




But Ahmadin wait just this. They are waiting a strike for strike back with all they have. That regime want the war.
Iran has the right to strike back with all its power if it gets attack.

[KuroiRyu]

Israeli (Zionist to be specific) regime falls, a new regime is created. You can't see State of Israel in the maps anymore. Just like you can't see USSR in the maps anymore.


What a hell are you saying?



Iran has the right to strike back with all its power if it gets attack.

Well, really good luck. You guys don't know what U.S. can really do if they want, if they will be in a total war.

[aed1980]

Israeli (Zionist to be specific) regime falls, a new regime is created. You can't see State of Israel in the maps anymore. Just like you can't see USSR in the maps anymore.



Iran has the right to strike back with all its power if it gets attack.

Do muslims like you, what is zionism???? I heard them all the time talking about the zionists, in the same way as neo-nazis , about media control, controlling the US, killing muslims, you all have the same speech.

[Sanat-e-naft]

Thats your source??? an animation??? come on man!!!!
Jimmy carter is a famous senile antisemite.


Carter only became an anti-semite after he stopped toeing the US line on Israel.

[Calanen]

Israeli (Zionist to be specific) regime falls, a new regime is created. You can't see State of Israel in the maps anymore. Just like you can't see USSR in the maps anymore.

However you spin it, Israel being wiped off the map would not be fun for the Israelis.




Iran has the right to strike back with all its power if it gets attack.



Don't get ahead of yourself there. Sure you want to do that? It might mean the end of Iran. Is that worth it because of a nuclear bomb program? Is that worth it because of some macho fire guns in the air pride?

Why do you care whether the crazy clerics have their nuke facility or not? I'd think most people, even Iranians, would say for those nutjobs to have nukes would be a disaster. So if Israel takes their program out - why do you care?

If Israel starts carpet bombing Tehran, I understand that would be different. But they are not going to do that. Just hit some nuclear facilities that are remotely located.

[aed1980]

However you spin it, Israel being wiped off the map would not be fun for the Israelis.




Don't get ahead of yourself there. Sure you want to do that? It might mean the end of Iran. Is that worth it because of a nuclear bomb program? Is that worth it because of some macho fire guns in the air pride?

Why do you care whether the crazy clerics have their nuke facility or not? I'd think most people, even Iranians, would say for those nutjobs to have nukes would be a disaster. So if Israel takes their program out - why do you care?

If Israel starts carpet bombing Tehran, I understand that would be different. But they are not going to do that. Just hit some nuclear facilities that are remotely located.

The Ministry of Intelligence and National Security (Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Language): وزارت اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Vezarat-e Ettela'at va Amniat-e Keshvar) is the primary intelligence agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agency) of the Islamic Republic of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran). It is also known as VEVAK. It is an important part of the Iranian government's security apparatus, and is well funded and equipped. Before a thorough overhaul[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] of the agency in 1998 under then President Mohammad Khatami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Khatami), which took place after the infamous serial murders of dissident writers and intellectuals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran), the ministry had been accused of being involved in terrorist activities, including assassination of Iranian political dissidents inside and outside the country.


My guess, is that is supports his government :)

[California Joe]

Thanks mods for suspending VEVAK.

No problem, how about in the spirit of goodwill and cooperation you stop running your cockolster about the mental faculties of ex American Presidents that you don't actually know? Cause you sound like a ****.

[KuroiRyu]

The Ministry of Intelligence and National Security (Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Language): وزارت اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Vezarat-e Ettela'at va Amniat-e Keshvar) is the primary intelligence agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agency) of the Islamic Republic of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran). It is also known as VEVAK. It is an important part of the Iranian government's security apparatus, and is well funded and equipped. Before a thorough overhaul[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] of the agency in 1998 under then President Mohammad Khatami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Khatami), which took place after the infamous serial murders of dissident writers and intellectuals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran), the ministry had been accused of being involved in terrorist activities, including assassination of Iranian political dissidents inside and outside the country.


My guess, is that is supports his government :)


Lolz...rofl

Good find bro!

I'm always wondered what a hell mean that VEVAK...:grin:

[Sanat-e-naft]

I knew what it meant, I've actually been to Iran, and trust me, if you have... you know them.

[Wonsild]

If Israel starts carpet bombing Tehran, I understand that would be different. But they are not going to do that. Just hit some nuclear facilities that are remotely located.
Did the idea that such a scenario, where foreign force hits whatever object at whatever location inside the other sovereign country, might not be acceptable to that country ever cross your mind?