Mosques in Pakistan Call for Jihad Against Infidels

[Calanen]

Jamat-ud-Dawa using mosques for jihad: Report


23 Sep 2008, 1252 hrs IST,PTI

ISLAMABAD: Activists of an organisation led by Lashker-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed are using mosques to issue calls for jihad against the US in Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar, a media report said on Tuesday.

Members of Jamat-ud-Dawa, set up by Saeed after the Lashker-e-Taiba was banned by the Pakistan government, have been operating in the city's posh residential districts like Hayatabad and University Town, where they address people in mosques about the importance of jihad, the Daily Times said.

Quoting eyewitnesses, the newspaper said the activists have issued calls for a holy war against the US to worshippers at different mosques.

"A young, bearded and long-haired activist of the Jamat-ud-Dawa stood up after the Fajr (morning) prayers and began calling for jihad against infidels," said a University of Peshawar professor who had come across the activists at Madina mosque.

Mumtaz Khan, a resident of Hayatabad, who came across an extremist at Bilal mosque, said the fundamentalists cite dangers to Pakistan to incite people for war.

"The extremists first speak about geopolitics (and) dangers to Pakistan from both eastern and western borders and then urge the importance of jihad," he said.

A caretaker of one of the mosques confirmed that the Jamat-ud-Dawa, which describes itself as a charitable organisation, was using mosques to invite people for jihad.

"Under what law can I stop them from doing so? There is no law, both governmental or Islamic," said the caretaker, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"These callers come at different prayer times and are peaceful and appear to be pro-Pakistan," the caretaker added.

He also said that the number of such extremists had increased recently in the wake of the US drone attacks in the restive tribal areas.

After lying low for several years, banned groups like the Lashker-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed have stepped up their activities across Pakistan since the resignation of former President Pervez Musharraf last month.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak_mosques_being_used_for_jihad/articleshow/3517445.cms

[dredger14]

[quote=Calanen;3571085]Jamat-ud-Dawa using mosques for jihad: Report

Was always there, the west either looked the other way or didnt care as long as all the repercussions were borne by the indians alone.

[Excalibur]

can't believe that happens in country with nukes.

[Ghorkhali]

nothing new Pakistan is wolf lead country where till now no govt ruled for a full time span ..... Minorities so called infidels are suffering In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus & Sikhs in what is today Pakistan was perhaps as high as 10-15%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2 % in the years since Pakistan's independence in 1947.

Nothing to be suprised if media got this news now

can't believe that happens in country with nukes.

all smuggled nukes ^

[PanzerMaster]

Nothing new, business as usual.

[The Mighty Quinn]

uhhh, this isnt news, this happened 5 times yesterday and 1000 times in the days before.

[socom6]

Nothing new, business as usual.

Exactly. Why is this kind of news being rinsed and repeated by the media?:|

[Calanen]

Jamat-ud-Dawa using mosques for jihad: Report

Was always there, the west either looked the other way or didnt care as long as all the repercussions were borne by the indians alone.

Agreed. But hopefully we are *starting* to notice what is going on, but we still have a long, long way to go. The public consciousness is still full of Religion of Peace™ or other cutesy rubbish like 'You can have a jihad on brocolli!'

[PanzerMaster]

Agreed. But hopefully we are *starting* to notice what is going on, but we still have a long, long way to go. The public consciousness is still full of Religion of Peace™ or other cutesy rubbish like 'You can have a jihad on brocolli!'

LOL, or the advert (like in the US for milk) with "Got Jihad?" rofl

[BAF]

do these guys ever stop? jihad here, jihad there, jihad is ****ing everywere.
I got a tip for them, make peace not war. and if they dont like "infidels" then just leave them alone. how freaking hard can it be??? live and let live.

[Lazy Lob]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2179/jihad719678zq0.jpg

[miguelencanarias]

Thread started by Calanen. Of course.

[-Church-]

Thread started by Calanen. Of course.

Does this make anything in the news any less true ?

[seraosha]

Thread started by Calanen. Of course.

Problem?
While sometimes it's beating a deadhorse, I'd rather these topics be posted then to ignore the issue.

[BAF]

Thread started by Calanen. Of course.


osama?, is it really you??!! :roll:

[Lazy Lob]

Problem?
While sometimes it's beating a deadhorse, I'd rather these topics be posted then to ignore the issue.


Does this make anything in the news any less true ?

x my betty swollox

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Does this make anything in the news any less true ?

No, but I think he's intentionally trying to spur distaste against the Islamic faith.

[Laworkerbee]

;3572542']No, but I think he's intentionally trying to spur distaste against the Islamic faith.

I think people who describe themselves as Islamists are already doing all they can do in that department.

[Calanen]

;3572542']No, but I think he's intentionally trying to spur distaste against the Islamic faith.

The people who attack civilians in the name of Islam, provide far more bad publicity against the Islamic faith, than anything I say or do.

You'd think that if such people were true misunderstanders of Islam, that, an Islamic cleric would put out a book that said such things for everyone to read. Is there even one? Please let me know - I'd like to read it.

What the focus is however, is attacking infidels for 'noticing' jihad against the infidels in the name of Islam - no focus or will to do anything constructive against the people calling for jihad.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

The people who attack civilians in the name of Islam, provide far more bad publicity against the Islamic faith, than anything I say or do.

Agreed,
but you're promoting, whether direct or indirectly, the assumption that Islam is inherently violent.
- I find this not being very constructive.


You'd think that if such people were true misunderstanders of Islam, that, an Islamic cleric would put out a book that said such things for everyone to read. Is there even one? Please let me know - I'd like to read it.

Well I know Egypt isn't exactly the best place to be pulling examples, but have you heard of Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi? Or even better someone I have spiritual beliefs, being a someone with liberal Hindu/Buddhist tendencies, Sai Baba of Shirdi? Also, do you take into account that Shia are generally less aggresive and more liberal than Sunni?

[Calanen]

;3572617']Agreed,

but you're promoting, whether direct or indirectly, the assumption that Islam is inherently violent.
- I find this not being very constructive.


I'm promoting? By noticing what Al Quada and other fanatics are doing? Or these fanatics in the mosques? So by reporting the news as to what people are doing, I am promoting violence in Islam? That's a pretty bizarre bit of Al Taqiyaa right there Habbibi.




Well I know Egypt isn't exactly the best place to be pulling examples, but have you heard of Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi? Or even better someone I have spiritual beliefs, being a someone with liberal Hindu/Buddhist tendencies, Sai Baba of Shirdi? Also, do you take into account that Shia are generally less aggresive and more liberal than Sunni?


Where is the book that says 'Misunderstanders of Islam - all this jihad and terrorism is WRONG.' that is published by an Islamic cleric. A real paperback blockbuster that says -"You idiots, this is the wrong islam." There isn't one - is there?

And as to the mosque thing - why arent people in the mosque jumping up and arguing with the speakers saying 'Dont twist my religion - this is not Islamic!' instead - there is just passive silence. Why is that?

The fact of the matter is, there are 1000s of passages in the Koran and the Hadith devoted to jihad and war against unbelievers. So there is a readily available doctrinal basis for jihadis to justify what they do by reference to passages in these books, which they quote themselves.

Us ignoring the problem in case someone like you gets offended - is a ridiculous solution. Far more offensive, is the deliberate killing of civilians and terrorism in the name of Islam.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

So by reporting the news as to what people are doing, I am promoting violence in Islam?

No, what you are doing is promoting intolerance to combat intolerance committed by Islamic radicals. I would be fine if you were simply reporting the news but you add spin like Bill O'Reilly or Keith Olbermann - in which your news becomes opinionated.


That's a pretty bizarre bit of Al Taqiyaa right there Habbibi.

I'm not an Arab.


Where is the book that says 'Misunderstanders of Islam - all this jihad and terrorism is WRONG.' that is published by an Islamic cleric. A real paperback blockbuster that says -"You idiots, this is the wrong islam." There isn't one - is there?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3059365.stm


And as to the mosque thing - why arent people in the mosque jumping up and arguing with the speakers saying 'Dont twist my religion - this is not Islamic!' instead - there is just passive silence. Why is that?

To summarize:
Because Mosques have become politicized as with the usually strict Arab governments. - This is a reason I prefer Iran over any Arab country.


The fact of the matter is, there are 1000s of passages in the Koran and the Hadith devoted to jihad and war against unbelievers. So there is a readily available doctrinal basis for jihadis to justify what they do by reference to passages in these books, which they quote themselves.

I haven't read the Quran, but I doubt your word.


Us ignoring the problem in case someone like you gets offended - is a ridiculous solution.

I'm not offended,
I just find you're feeding ignorance.

and I never said we should ignore the problem,
I'm saying don't prance around like a ninny and call Islam intolerant by posting the actions by it's extremists.

You simply point to the religion but you fail to find the what underlying reasons it's easily misinterpreted/skewed, in which I do find Islam to be easily misinterpreted, to fit such an ideology;
It deals a great lot with the governments of Arab nations.

[Calanen]

;3572783']No, what you are doing is promoting intolerance to combat intolerance committed by Islamic radicals. I would be fine if you were simply reporting the news but you add spin like Bill O'Reilly or Keith Olbermann - in which your news becomes opinionated.

I'm not allowed to have an opinion now?


I'm not an Arab.

The Koran is in Arabic though, isn't it?




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3059365.stm




That's a statement - not a book.



To summarize:
Because Mosques have become politicized as with the usually strict Arab governments. - This is a reason I prefer Iran over any Arab country.






I haven't read the Quran, but I doubt your word.



You can doubt all you want. I have, and much of the hadith also. You can read some of my other threads on the subject.



I'm not offended,
I just find you're feeding ignorance.


Which part of what I have said is ignorant, in your esteemed opinion?



and I never said we should ignore the problem,
I'm saying don't prance around like a ninny and call Islam intolerant by posting the actions by it's extremists.


Ninny? I'm not much into 'prancing'. Islam *is* intolerant.

Let me say that again just to be clear: Islam is intolerant. Theocratic regimes, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen are some of the most intolerant regimes on the planet - that tolerate nothing and no one except Islam and Sharia law.

There might be tolerant muslims, but there is no tolerant Islam.


You simply point to the religion but you fail to find the what underlying reasons it's easily misinterpreted/skewed, in which I do find Islam to be easily misinterpreted, to fit such an ideology;

Its not misinterpreted by me - its misinterpreted by *them* the people calling for jihad.




It deals a great lot with the governments of Arab nations.


I don't know what that means. Except they are part of the problem. But not just Arabs. Persians, Somalis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Pashtuns - all part of the same problem. The Global Jihadi push to wipe out all non-muslim governments, religions, practices and beliefs.

Islam is only what people do in the name of Islam. And what people do in the name of Islam, is pretty clear all around the world.

[Ghorkhali]

;3572542']No, but I think he's intentionally trying to spur distaste against the Islamic faith.

do u really think anybody is trying or its a natural distaste towards islam in general citizen (non-islamic world)

[dredger14]

;3572542']No, but I think he's intentionally trying to spur distaste against the Islamic faith.

I suggest you read the koran my friend -with a neutral mind and then tell us honestly if the "religion" is at fault or the followers.

[dredger14]

I haven't read the Quran, but I doubt your word.

I thought that way once too, but then I read the koran- it all becomes very clear. The aussie knows what he is saying I can assure you he isn't prejudiced.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

file:///C:/Users/Mohit/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg
I'm not allowed to have an opinion now?

Didn't say that


The Koran is in Arabic though, isn't it?

Yes


That's a statement - not a book.

He has papers as I've seen some of them at my university's database,
additionally he does a complete exegesis of the Quran.

What does publishing a book equate to though?
He's stated through his teachings numerous times that violence is not the answer.
- and even if it's necessary it should be used in a defensive war for the homeland.


Which part of what I have said is ignorant, in your esteemed opinion?

Religion of Peace™, One day there will be a Coalition of Middle Eastern states, not to mention your misrepresentation of Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial statement and Wiper Israel off the map.



Islam *is* intolerant.

All religions are intolerant, cept maybe Judaism and Buddhism to certain extents.


Let me say that again just to be clear: Islam is intolerant. Theocratic regimes, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen are some of the most intolerant regimes on the planet - that tolerate nothing and no one except Islam and Sharia law.

Iran is perfectly fine in comparison to other countries,
and the previous leader was ousted because he was ignorant of his people.



Saudi Arabia is a monarchy



Yemen, I will admit is ****ed up.



Persians, Somalis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Pashtuns - all part of the same problem. The Global Jihadi push to wipe out all non-muslim governments, religions, practices and beliefs.

Give source that any of those muslims want to forcibly spread Islam.
Better yet, the cases they do is because of Arab influence.

- The real problem here is Arabian Islam.

Islam is only what people do in the name of Islam. And what people do in the name of Islam, is pretty clear all around the world.



So Aussie's are racists? As with the 2005 Cronulla Riots?

[Calanen]

;3573083'][IMG]
So Aussie's are racists? As with the 2005 Cronulla Riots?


If you want to debate that - create a whole new thread.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I'm not allowed to have an opinion now?



The Koran is in Arabic though, isn't it?





That's a statement - not a book.






You can doubt all you want. I have, and much of the hadith also. You can read some of my other threads on the subject.



Which part of what I have said is ignorant, in your esteemed opinion?



Ninny? I'm not much into 'prancing'. Islam *is* intolerant.




I don't know what that means. Except they are part of the problem. But not just Arabs. Persians, Somalis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Pashtuns - all part of the same problem. The Global Jihadi push to wipe out all non-muslim governments, religions, practices and beliefs.



I won't argue with you about the Islam is this Islam is that part because with you it is like talking to a record machine. Uzbeks are actually fighting these Groups, all these groups that are fighting the Uzbek government are pushed by Arabs so that they can at least have control of one Turkic country. Yet again like Kooshab said the problem is not Islam it is Arabs.

[Karaahmetoglu]

;3572783']No, what you are doing is promoting intolerance to combat intolerance committed by Islamic radicals. I would be fine if you were simply reporting the news but you add spin like Bill O'Reilly or Keith Olbermann - in which your news becomes opinionated.



I'm not an Arab.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3059365.stm



To summarize:
Because Mosques have become politicized as with the usually strict Arab governments. - This is a reason I prefer Iran over any Arab country.



I haven't read the Quran, but I doubt your word.



I'm not offended,
I just find you're feeding ignorance.

and I never said we should ignore the problem,
I'm saying don't prance around like a ninny and call Islam intolerant by posting the actions by it's extremists.

You simply point to the religion but you fail to find the what underlying reasons it's easily misinterpreted/skewed, in which I do find Islam to be easily misinterpreted, to fit such an ideology;
It deals a great lot with the governments of Arab nations.


Main problem is bolded, these same guys who come up with these hate full Mosques, are also the same guys who print off the "Qurans" Calanen reads. Calanen should read, the Turkish translation of the Quran, the Quran that is athorized with the seal of the Republic of Turkey.

[Kilgor]

So Aussie's are racists? As with the 2005 Cronulla Riots?



FYI , that started after a certain type was harassing Aussie girls at the beach and bashing life savers.

They got what they deserved.

[dredger14]

Main problem is bolded, these same guys who come up with these hate full Mosques, are also the same guys who print off the "Qurans" Calanen reads. Calanen should read, the Turkish translation of the Quran, the Quran that is athorized with the seal of the Republic of Turkey.

Wheres the relation between the translation and the hate. go to the official Saudi website-it doesn't get any more authentic than that.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Main problem is bolded, these same guys who come up with these hate full Mosques, are also the same guys who print off the "Qurans" Calanen reads. Calanen should read, the Turkish translation of the Quran, the Quran that is athorized with the seal of the Republic of Turkey.

Wheres the relation between the translation and the hate. go to the official Saudi website-it doesn't get any more authentic than that.



Stopped reading right there. Modern Saudi=Authentic pfff yeah right. P.S the Turkish translation of Quran is very real it dates back from the Ottoman Empire which occupied Saudi Arabia, where they got there Qurans from.

[dredger14]

Agreed. But hopefully we are *starting* to notice what is going on, but we still have a long, long way to go. The public consciousness is still full of Religion of Peace™ or other cutesy rubbish like 'You can have a jihad on brocolli!'

Courtesy Tony Blair, although a couple of months his esteemed "other" caused a mini scandal when she called Mohammed a terrorist. They hushed it up pretty quickly and today alls forgotten. Typical lefties- born Hippocrates

[dredger14]

Stopped reading right there. Modern Saudi=Authentic pfff yeah right. P.S the Turkish translation of Quran is very real it dates back from the Ottoman Empire which occupied Saudi Arabia, where they got there Qurans from.

Okay so Mohammed was a Turk thanks for making that clear.:roll:

[Karaahmetoglu]

Okay so Mohammed was a Turk thanks for making that clear.:roll:


Ahh no he was not, but Like I said Ottoman empire took over Saudi Arabia for a long time, they had with them the original copy of the Quran, they translated that, that is the version that remains today for sale in Turkey, as a matter of fact the of the original copies I believe there is one that is in Iranian as well.

[dredger14]

Stopped reading right there. Modern Saudi=Authentic pfff yeah right. P.S the Turkish translation of Quran is very real it dates back from the Ottoman Empire which occupied Saudi Arabia, where they got there Qurans from.

What a pile of deluded, self indulgent crap, you just spewed.
1.The koran came from Arabia not turkey
2.The cresent moon seal of turkiye is not the ultimate seal of truth
3.You cant delete passages that embarras you the ottomans with all their culture and civilization saw crap for what it was

Hence the benign harmless koran brought to you by the "secular" republic of turkiye.

[Calanen]

Whatever Turkey does or does not do, matters not so much as what other members of the Islamic ummah are doing. Saudi Arabia finances mosques, textbooks and teachers for mosques throughout the world - $USD200 billion worth - its view of Islam prevails. That view is pro-jihad, anti-Western, anti-infidel - anti-jewish, anti-christian, and intolerant of all other viewpoints.

[dredger14]

P.S the Turkish translation of Quran is very real it dates back from the Ottoman Empire which occupied Saudi Arabia, where they got there Qurans from.

If you want to drink mineral water you go to a mountain spring not the delta where the river looses itself to the sea.

Hope you caught the drift

[Karaahmetoglu]

What a pile of deluded, self indulgent crap, you just spewed.
1.The koran came from Arabia not turkey
2.The cresent moon seal of turkiye is not the ultimate seal of truth
3.You cant delete passages that embarras you the ottomans with all their culture and civilization saw crap for what it was

Hence the benign harmless koran brought to you by the "secular" republic of turkiye.


Never did I deny that the Quran did not come from Arabia, I said the Quran Turkey has right now is the copy of the Original, that they got while Saudi Arabia was theres.

Maybe the Crescent moon seal of Turkey might not be enough but would the Crescent and moon seal of Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, the Yoruk tent seal of Kyrgyzstan, the Eagle of Kazakhstan is not enough. There is many more the list goes on.

[dredger14]

Maybe the Crescent moon seal of Turkey might not be enough but would the Crescent and moon seal of Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, the Yoruk tent seal of Kyrgyzstan, the Eagle of Kazakhstan is not enough. There is many more the list goes on.[/quote]

I respect your ancestors but unfortunately the "colorful cultural" Islam they practice is gone for good, overwritten like a blank CD by the wahabis. I respect MKA for dragging your country from its decadence and making it what it is. If not you guys wouldnt be any different from the arabs.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I respect your ancestors but unfortunately the "colorful cultural" Islam they practice is gone for good, overwritten like a blank CD by the wahabis. I respect MKA for dragging your country from its decadence and making it what it is. If not you guys wouldnt be any different from the arabs.

You do know that the Quran in Turkey is the same that was held by the Ottomans right? If it was changed at all, you couldn't get away from it because people read those ones in Museums as well.



Bolded part if you assume this your are one ignorant fool. The similarities was Alphabet (changed now), Clothing(changed now), and religion, then it ends there.

[dredger14]

Bolded part if you assume this your are one ignorant fool. The similarities was Alphabet (changed now), Clothing(changed now), and religion, then it ends there.

Why change now? Why the need to change? then it ends there- no it doesn't and you know very well why it doesn't.

LOL don't mind being called a fool though-been a loong time.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Bolded part if you assume this your are one ignorant fool. The similarities was Alphabet (changed now), Clothing(changed now), and religion, then it ends there.

Why change now? Why the need to change? then it ends there- no it doesn't and you know very well why it doesn't.

LOL don't mind being called a fool though-been a loong time.

It was changed well before the end of the Ottoman empire for clothing although I do not know if the Alphabet was changed before that or not, the Alphabet was in dire need of change because it did not fit Turkish letters and there where numerous problem with it with the Turkish language.

[Excalibur]

I think US need to allocate another 11 bln to finance jihad in pakistan.
you know, jihad costs a lot of money

[Heinemann]

Kypchak you could have the most liberal translation of the Quran in Turkish but it holds no water outside of Turkey. Most accept the Arabic interpretations.

Alittle offtopic, but I heard that Ataturk used to throw Qurans at Muslim clerics because he was annoyed at how they abused their power, is that true?

[Big Lebowski]

A call for Jihad?... In Pakistan?... No way!

Im stunned...

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Kypchak you could have the most liberal translation of the Quran in Turkish but it holds no water outside of Turkey. Most accept the Arabic interpretations.

Alittle offtopic, but I heard that Ataturk used to throw Qurans at Muslim clerics because he was annoyed at how they abused their power, is that true?

The Turkish Quran is not the most liberal translation,
if anything it's the Bengali or English Translation.

Anyways,
I remember Ataturk yelling profanities at clerics in a certain instance.

Ataturk is my kinda guy.

[Bushranger]

;3573790']The Turkish Quran is not the most liberal translation,
if anything it's the Bengali or English Translation.

Anyways,
I remember Ataturk yelling profanities at clerics in a certain instance.

Ataturk is my kinda guy.

Ataturk is a great man, pity the rest of the muslim world cant follow his lead.

[Calanen]

A call for Jihad?... In Pakistan?... No way!

Im stunned...

Well some people will be - the US gave them $11 Billion to be our allies in the war on terror.

[Nano]

Phew thank goodness it is just a call for Jihad. Here I thought it was something serious.
I'm a whole lot more concerned about the Fed. continuously screwing me than some Taliban lover.
Killing Talibs might be a good way to blow off some steam.

[BAF]

Ataturk is a great man, pity the rest of the muslim world cant follow his lead.


jep, somethimes i get the feeling, that if all muslim countries were like Turkey, there would be far less "problems".

[Big Lebowski]

Well some people will be - the US gave them $11 Billion to be our allies in the war on terror.
The US gave the Imam calling for Jihad $11 Billion? wow, yeah i guess that is kinda stupid.