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U.S. Troops In Homeland “Crowd Control” Patrols From October 1st

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
U.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with “civil unrest and crowd control” - which could include dealing with unruly Americans after a complete economic collapse.




The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.


This shocking admission was calmly reported on September 8th by the Army Times website, which reports that from the beginning of next month the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team “Will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.”

The article notes that the deployment “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.”

The purpose of the unit’s patrols includes helping “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.”

The unit will be on homeland patrol for at least 20 months before returning to Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, according to the report.

Training for homeland operations has already begun at Fort Stewart and at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs.

Ominously, the report states that, “The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.”

The unit would also be deployed to deal with hostile crowds of Americans in the aftermath of a massive economic depression, potential food riots and race riots, if one defines the term “crowd control” to match its reasonably applicable scenarios.





The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances.

Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”

However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807.

The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States.

For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”

Is the Bush administration and Northcom waiting for such a scenario to unfold, an event that completely overwhelms state authorities, before unleashing the might of the U.S. Army against the American people?

The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.

With the promise of an “October surprise” on behalf of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda being bandied about by the media and the potential for civil unrest should a complete collapse of the U.S. economy unfold, the presence of U.S. troops inside America, returning fresh from kicking down doors, arresting “insurgents” and taking them to internment camps in Iraq, should put Americans on alert and provoke urgent questions about the legality of U.S. Army units engaging in law enforcement operations against American citizens.

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Please post a link to any article you post.

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3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of INorthern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (****ounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?

(updated below)

Several bloggers today have pointed to this obviously disturbing article from Army Times, which announces that "beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North" -- "the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities." The article details:

They'll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. . . .

The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," said Cloutier, describing the experience as "your worst muscle cramp ever -- times 10 throughout your whole body". . . .

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (****ounced "sea-smurf").

For more than 100 years -- since the end of the Civil War -- deployment of the U.S. military inside the U.S. has been prohibited under The Posse Comitatus Act (the only exceptions being that the National Guard and Coast Guard are exempted, and use of the military on an emergency ad hoc basis is permitted, such as what happened after Hurricane Katrina). Though there have been some erosions of this prohibition over the last several decades (most perniciously to allow the use of the military to work with law enforcement agencies in the "War on Drugs"), the bright line ban on using the U.S. military as a standing law enforcement force inside the U.S. has been more or less honored -- until now. And as the Army Times notes, once this particular brigade completes its one-year assignment, "expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."

After Hurricane Katrina, the Bush administration began openly agitating for what would be, in essence, a complete elimination of the key prohibitions of the Posse Comitatus Act in order to allow the President to deploy U.S. military forces inside the U.S. basically at will -- and, as usual, they were successful as a result of rapid bipartisan compliance with the Leader's demand (the same kind of compliance that is about to foist a bailout package on the nation). This April, 2007 article by James Bovard in The American Conservative detailed the now-familiar mechanics that led to the destruction of this particular long-standing democratic safeguard:

The Defense Authorization Act of 2006, passed on Sept. 30, empowers President George W. Bush to impose martial law in the event of a terrorist "incident," if he or other federal officials perceive a shortfall of "public order," or even in response to antiwar protests that get unruly as a result of government provocations. . . .

It only took a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president's ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 tightened these restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the U.S. without the express permission of Congress. But there is a loophole: Posse Comitatus is waived if the president invokes the Insurrection Act.

Section 1076 of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from "Insurrection Act" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act." The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only "to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy." The new law expands the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition" -- and such "condition" is not defined or limited. . . .

The story of how Section 1076 became law vivifies how expanding government power is almost always the correct answer in Washington. Some people have claimed the provision was slipped into the bill in the middle of the night. In reality, the administration clearly signaled its intent and almost no one in the media or Congress tried to stop it . . . .

Section 1076 was supported by both conservatives and liberals. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the ranking Democratic member on the Senate Armed Services Committee, co-wrote the provision along with committee chairman Sen. John Warner (R-Va.). Sen. Ted Kennedy openly endorsed it, and Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), then-chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, was an avid proponent. . . .

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, warned on Sept. 19 that "we certainly do not need to make it easier for Presidents to declare martial law," but his alarm got no response. Ten days later, he commented in the Congressional Record: "Using the military for law enforcement goes against one of the founding tenets of our democracy." Leahy further condemned the process, declaring that it "was just slipped in the defense bill as a rider with little study. Other congressional committees with jurisdiction over these matters had no chance to comment, let alone hold hearings on, these proposals."

As is typical, very few members of the media even mentioned any of this, let alone discussed it (and I failed to give this the attention it deserved at the time), but Congressional Quarterly's Jeff Stein wrote an excellent article at the time detailing the process and noted that "despite such a radical turn, the new law garnered little dissent, or even attention, on the Hill." Stein also noted that while "the blogosphere, of course, was all over it . . . a search of The Washington Post and New York Times archives, using the terms 'Insurrection Act,' 'martial law' and 'Congress,' came up empty."

Bovard and Stein both noted that every Governor -- including Republicans -- joined in Leahy's objections, as they perceived it as a threat from the Federal Government to what has long been the role of the National Guard. But those concerns were easily brushed aside by the bipartisan majorities in Congress, eager -- as always -- to grant the President this radical new power.

The decision this month to permanently deploy a U.S. Army brigade inside the U.S. for purely domestic law enforcement purposes is the fruit of the Congressional elimination of the long-standing prohibitions in Posse Comitatus (although there are credible signs that even before Congress acted, the Bush administration secretly decided it possessed the inherent power to violate the Act). It shouldn't take any efforts to explain why the permanent deployment of the U.S. military inside American cities, acting as the President's police force, is so disturbing. Bovard:

"Martial law" is a euphemism for military dictatorship. When foreign democracies are overthrown and a junta establishes martial law, Americans usually recognize that a fundamental change has occurred. . . . Section 1076 is Enabling Act-type legislation—something that purports to preserve law-and-order while formally empowering the president to rule by decree.

The historic importance of the Posse Comitatus prohibition was also well-analyzed here.

As the recent militarization of St. Paul during the GOP Convention made abundantly clear, our actual police forces are already quite militarized. Still, what possible rationale is there for permanently deploying the U.S. Army inside the United States -- under the command of the President -- for any purpose, let alone things such as "crowd control," other traditional law enforcement functions, and a seemingly unlimited array of other uses at the President's sole discretion? And where are all of the stalwart right-wing "small government conservatives" who spent the 1990s so vocally opposing every aspect of the growing federal police force? And would it be possible to get some explanation from the Government about what the rationale is for this unprecedented domestic military deployment (at least unprecedented since the Civil War), and why it is being undertaken now?

[B]UPDATE: As this commenter notes, the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act somewhat limited the scope of the powers granted by the 2007 Act detailed above (mostly to address constitutional concerns by limiting the President's powers to deploy the military to suppress disorder that threatens constitutional rights), but President Bush, when signing that 2008 Act into law, issued a signing statement which, though vague, seems to declare that he does not recognize those new limitations.


http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/index.html

Prison planet for the first post.

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U.S. Troops In Homeland “Crowd Control” Patrols From October 1st

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
U.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with “civil unrest and crowd control” - which could include dealing with unruly Americans after a complete economic collapse.




The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.


This shocking admission was calmly reported on September 8th by the Army Times website, which reports that from the beginning of next month the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team “Will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.”

The article notes that the deployment “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.”

The purpose of the unit’s patrols includes helping “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.”

The unit will be on homeland patrol for at least 20 months before returning to Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, according to the report.

Training for homeland operations has already begun at Fort Stewart and at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs.

Ominously, the report states that, “The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.”

The unit would also be deployed to deal with hostile crowds of Americans in the aftermath of a massive economic depression, potential food riots and race riots, if one defines the term “crowd control” to match its reasonably applicable scenarios.





The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances.

Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”

However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807.

The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States.

For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”

Is the Bush administration and Northcom waiting for such a scenario to unfold, an event that completely overwhelms state authorities, before unleashing the might of the U.S. Army against the American people?

The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.

With the promise of an “October surprise” on behalf of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda being bandied about by the media and the potential for civil unrest should a complete collapse of the U.S. economy unfold, the presence of U.S. troops inside America, returning fresh from kicking down doors, arresting “insurgents” and taking them to internment camps in Iraq, should put Americans on alert and provoke urgent questions about the legality of U.S. Army units engaging in law enforcement operations against American citizens.
PRISON PLANET? You've got to be Friggin Kidding me? why not quote OBL's PAO?

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Geebus, everything is Bushes Fault?
Were not US Active Duty Troops used for Hurricane Andrew recovery efforts?

Were not US Active Duty Troops used in quelling the L.A. Riots?

Did Not President Eisenhower use Federal Troops (the 101st Airborne in fact) in Little Rock?

Were not US Active Duty Troops used in the 1903 San Francisco Earthquakes aftermath?

Hell, I'm sure I could find dozens of Incidents in their usage CONUS.


Jesus H. Christ, Much better to blame Bush for everything from Rain to Fema Death Camps

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as a non-american i have a question. why is it such a big deal that the 3th infantry division is doing this job? isnt that what they are here for? (the whole US army i mean)

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oh god damnit, i was all excited then you said it was from prisonplanet. you should get points for this.

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Geebus, everything is Bushes Fault?

Were not US Active Duty Troops used for Hurricane Andrew recovery efforts?

Were not US Active Duty Troops used in quelling the L.A. Riots?

Did Not President Eisenhower use Federal Troops (the 101st Airborne in fact) in Little Rock?

Were not US Active Duty Troops used in the 1903 San Francisco Earthquakes aftermath?

Hell, I'm sure I could find dozens of Incidents in their usage CONUS.


Jesus H. Christ, Much better to blame Bush for everything from Rain to Fema Death Camps


LA riots...no, active duty units were not used. National Guard units without any ammunition were used, it being conviently left behind at
Camp Roberts. If Active duty Army and Marines from the surrounding area were used LA would not have a crime problem any more. :)

And it was the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake.

General Funston declared martial law on his own without checking with his superiors and then proceeded to destroy almost every rich and powerful person's abode in San Francisco and had his troops shoot and hang all criminals caught in the act. My Grandma told of seeing people hanging from light posts everywhere you looked with placards stating "Looter" or "Rapist" hung around their necks. About half the death toll of the earthquake and fire was the Army disposing of Criminals.

This is why martial law will not be declared in the states anymore even though it is badly needed in some situations....like the LA riots and NOLA during Katrina.

Even though it wasn't reported by anyone, there was a big problem with looting, rape and murder during the 1989 San Francisco Earthquake also. Thats why the Cops got so mean on the second day. They had witnessed the aftermath of the first day. Stores were broken into, women were raped, people trapped in the 880 colapse were murdered for their walets, purses and jewelry. Even the stereos were stolen from their cars before the emergency responders could get there.

I got that from two completely different sources, one of them a Navy Corpsman responder from Oak Knoll Naval Hospital who was one of the first to make it to the scene. The other source was a nurse who had just said goodbye to the day shift of her hospital, most of which was trapped on the 880, only to see them come back in as casualities missing all their personal belongings and suffering from wounds inflicted by people on top of the trama caused by the earthquake. Many of them could only be identified because they had worked with those who were taking care of them.

If the new law stops this kind of Sh!t then I'm all for it!

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it doesnt really matter because "some guy with a blog" ;) says on starting Oct 15th we're all going to start falling apart... literally... disintegrating into billions of pieces due to our harmonic vibration frequency in conjunction with the underground dwellers and certain extra terestrials so TAKE THAT ARMY!!!11111eleven :P

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Needs reputable source.

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http://freespeech.vo.llnwd.net/o25/pub/images/troops-sunrise.jpg

Looks like Mexican Troops.

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LA riots...no, active duty units were not used. National Guard units without any ammunition were used, it being conviently left behind at
Camp Roberts. If Active duty Army and Marines from the surrounding area were used LA would not have a crime problem any more. :)
SAY WHAT!!!??? Dude... lay off the crack pipe. I (ME, MYSELF) was there with active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton, and soldiers from Fort Ord. Next time do some research before you post something retarded.

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Nothing to see here, move a long,

3rd ID, 1BCT, is conducting train, that is it, in relationship to dealing with a CMAT (WMD) response. There is nothing alarming, so please remove the tin foil hat.

It is to prepare the US force to help deal with a WMD attack, Currently mass population event, the Government has no plan, nor man power / equipment, so training soldiers in this is perfect. Training includes crowd control and no lethal weapons. Most of the focus is on WMD.

here is a link Army Times (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)

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Looks like Mexican Troops.
the whole picture looks Mexican

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Ok, I read the Army Times article. Sorry, I am not down with it. I guess this is part of McCain's surge for the homeland. Send them to Wall Street and DC, take no prisoners.


The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

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SAY WHAT!!!??? Dude... lay off the crack pipe. I (ME, MYSELF) was there with active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton, and soldiers from Fort Ord. Next time do some research before you post something retarded. Iwas about to say, I distinctly remember seeing LAV-25's from 1MARDIV and 7th LID patrols on the streets

[wildcat]

Looks like Mexican Troops.
uniforms, vehicle IDs missing, way they carry weapon in hatch, the people in the car in front

[HollywoodMarine]

The L.A. riots, beginning in the evening after the verdict, peaked in intensity over the next two days, but ultimately continued for several days. Television coverage of the riots was near-continuous, including much footage from helicopter news crews. A curfew, and deployment of the National Guard began to control the situation; eventually federal troops from the 7th Infantry Division, based in Fort Ord and United States Marines from the 1st Marine Division, based in Camp Pendleton were ordered to the city to quell disorder as well.

On the fourth day, 4,000 Soldiers and Marines arrived from Fort Ord and Camp Pendleton to suppress the crowds and restore order. Order began to appear as the Army and Marines arrived.
Yup! That was 1st LAI out of Las Flores. We had a TOW platoon providing security at Mayor Tom Bradley's home, and 3/1 (can't remember if 1/9 and 2/4 were there) provided foot patrols in South Central L.A. The locals didn't mess with us because most Marines had just returned as combat vets from Operation Desert Shield. But there always has to be that one. One of our patrols was providing assistance to LAPD unit investigating a neighborhood where shots were being fired upon NG helos. When gang bangers decided to shoot at the LAPD, the officer told Marines "Cover me," and they lid up that house. The fcukers in that house dialed 911, and asked the LAPD for help. OWNED!

[Ordie]

SAY WHAT!!!??? Dude... lay off the crack pipe. I (ME, MYSELF) was there with active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton, and soldiers from Fort Ord. Next time do some research before you post something retarded.

Ha

I was part of the Navy P-3 crew that flew over South Central during the riots.

[Rakki]

It's all about Racoon City :)

[BloodyTalon]

You know what's funny/sad? The dolts on Prison Planet, although they claim to be right wingers, have more faith in the governments power than even the most hardcore liberal. They may not like it, but they still think is omnipotent and perfect in its design.

[loganinkosovo]

SAY WHAT!!!??? Dude... lay off the crack pipe. I (ME, MYSELF) was there with active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton, and soldiers from Fort Ord. Next time do some research before you post something retarded.

Thats interesting. I was at Ft. Irwin and we did not mobilize at all. We were a hell of a lot closer than Ft. Ord. We were told that in no uncertain terms would active duty troops be used there. Posse Comitatus and all that.

I guess the ROEs must have been ridicules since the looters didn't seem to lose any steam until they came up against the Korean store owners.

[JKD]

Can we as a nation strike 'homeland' from the our lexicon? It sounds like something out of an old Soviet, or maybe Klingon, propaganda poster.

[Dominique]

After reading articles like this, I wondering why I haven't invested in aluminum foil, I could make a killing selling hats.

[Gunge]

3/1 was def there, and its happened alot like everyone is saying

loganinkosovo, no revisionist history please

Marines helped fight forest/brushfires in cali too in the 80's

next comes the black helos w/stormtroopers fast-roping onto your roof!

[Marshall_Nord]

Can we as a nation strike 'homeland' from the our lexicon? It sounds like something out of an old Soviet, or maybe Klingon, propaganda poster.

What should we use? Motherland was used by the Soviets and Fatherland was used by Nazi Germany. Homeland was probably chosen because it is gender/racial neutral and doesn’t invoke thoughts of former enemies.

[MJC9678]

Can we please get the Army into Newark and Camden NJ?!

[JKD]

What should we use? Motherland was used by the Soviets and Fatherland was used by Nazi Germany. Homeland was probably chosen because it is gender/racial neutral and doesn’t invoke thoughts of former enemies.

How about 'nation'?

[WARPIG]

Nothing really ominous here. This is just a way for FEMA to have assets under direct control while giving Active Units the ability to "reset" and rest after deployment. That doesn't mean that an active unit would be put on "civil disturbance" duty automatically.

Basically, since National Guard units are being used for GWOT operations, their ability to respond to and support Homeland Defense is limited. Putting Active Duty MACOMS within NORCOM also puts their Reserves under NORCOM. That basically allows reservists to be part of any Homeland Defense or FEMA contingency.

Making this out as some kind of sinister bull**** is just that bull****.

If there is a need to put active troops on the ground.. it takes mere moments for the CinC to give the greenlight and declare Martial Law on an area. It happened in LA and it can happen again.

[SBL]

^Yeah I was going to say, in the event of major economic melt-down/social crisis I would hope that ,at the very least, the National Guard would be on-hand to keep order.

[wildcat]

Nothing really ominous here. This is just a way for FEMA to have assets under direct control while giving Active Units the ability to "reset" and rest after deployment. That doesn't mean that an active unit would be put on "civil disturbance" duty automatically.

Basically, since National Guard units are being used for GWOT operations, their ability to respond to and support Homeland Defense is limited. Putting Active Duty MACOMS within NORCOM also puts their Reserves under NORCOM. That basically allows reservists to be part of any Homeland Defense or FEMA contingency.

Making this out as some kind of sinister bull**** is just that bull****.

If there is a need to put active troops on the ground.. it takes mere moments for the CinC to give the greenlight and declare Martial Law on an area. It happened in LA and it can happen again.
X2, also it training the troops back to basics with concern to NBC, seems to be low priority, with tall the deployments and training for those.

[Dragunov]

uniforms, vehicle IDs missing, way they carry weapon in hatch, the people in the car in front


Yes, they are Mexican army troops going on patrol.

The vehicle's IDs sometimes are located on the sides or on the rear.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9972/foto347jn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4028/foto463ws0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[wildcat]

After reading articles like this, I wondering why I haven't invested in aluminum foil, I could make a killing selling hats.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6834/receptionog2.jpg

[LEB101]

so whats the big deal . almost ever other country has there army help out look at the chinese earthqauke they had troops parachute in

[Bia]

Soldiers in the streets doesnt bother me...

Many of them are kinda cute.

:P

[HGRazorR]

http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/09/oh-noes-army-is-coming-to-take-our.html

A very good blog by Robert Farley from one of my law professors sent out rebutting Greenwald. Greenwald even responds to some comments.

[USMCRTop]

Yup! That was 1st LAI out of Las Flores. We had a TOW platoon providing security at Mayor Tom Bradley's home, and 3/1 (can't remember if 1/9 and 2/4 were there) provided foot patrols in South Central L.A. The locals didn't mess with us because most Marines had just returned as combat vets from Operation Desert Shield. But there always has to be that one. One of our patrols was providing assistance to LAPD unit investigating a neighborhood where shots were being fired upon NG helos. When gang bangers decided to shoot at the LAPD, the officer told Marines "Cover me," and they lid up that house. The fcukers in that house dialed 911, and asked the LAPD for help. OWNED!

Yah a buddy of mine was there and he said some homies told his patrol, "wes got the the AKs at home"-- and my buddy cranked off a round and said, "ya talk the talk, but can ya walk the walk ?"" Needless to say, they all took off

[Dominique]

Can we please get the Army into Newark and Camden NJ?!

How about we just nuke Newark and Camden, and start from scratch. I truly despise both places, hell I hate NJ in general.

[Laworkerbee]

Yah a buddy of mine was there and he said some homies told his patrol, "wes got the the AKs at home"-- and my buddy cranked off a round and said, "ya talk the talk, but can ya walk the walk ?"" Needless to say, they all took off

I handed out goodies to our troops when they came into Los Angeles, it felt like liberation.

[Mastermind]

It is a nation. It will be "protected" no matter what side of the border the threat comes.

If Americans are not duley intimidated by the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Terror" or the IRS or the ATF or the FBI and a hoste of other "enslavement" alphabits, then you simply can not be intimidated. Of course we are under Federal control and have been since Armed federal troops were used, commanded by no less than President George Washington in the field...during the Whiskey Rebellion. At that time, Washington clearly stated that no matter what, any Americans who resisted the Authority of the Federal laws would be dealt with as traitors and insurrectionists...that is hung and shot as necessary. And ever since, Americans have been under that Federal chain. That was further reinforced during the Civil war when states exercised their legal right to ceceed from the Union...No-no..Under this club's membership rules, you are American until you die and if it takes Federal troops to make sure of that, then "Posse Comitatus" be damned.

(edit) Let me add, there was great consternation over Darryl gates use of militarized SWAT teams in LA (Pre the latest riots, of course) DG had assembled military style police squads in response to the SLA military style of terrorism. Those people had heavy machine guns and the 'then" police had .38 specials and 12 guage riot guns...not much of a match if the SLA had actually been more popular and supported more in depth. If PC had been preserved to the point that real soldiers could not be used without long legal wrangling delays, there would be real trouble...possibly even mass deaths of police. Gates needed fast response militaty equipped and trained units at his disposal...so he built SWAT.

But, notcie the East Hollywood shootout...if you have done any in depth study of that event, you may have noticed the real SWAT teams hesitated to engage...it was finally an improptu assembly of SWAT trained officers who basically went against orders and fully engaged the bad guys with proper weaponry and some rather "unorthodox" tactics. What would have happened if the bad guys had been fifty instead of only two?

Pose Comitatus? Lawyers and Judges and Juries debating it?

I doubt anyone would have hesitated to send in the boys from San Diego.

[Dominique]

(edit) Let me add, there was great consternation over Darryl gates use of militarized SWAT teams in LA (Pre the latest riots, of course) DG had assembled military style police squads in response to the SLA military style of terrorism. Those people had heavy machine guns and the 'then" police had .38 specials and 12 guage riot guns...not much of a match if the SLA had actually been more popular and supported more in depth. If PC had been preserved to the point that real soldiers could not be used without long legal wrangling delays, there would be real trouble...possibly even mass deaths of police. Gates needed fast response militaty equipped and trained units at his disposal...so he built SWAT.

But, notcie the East Hollywood shootout...if you have done any in depth study of that event, you may have noticed the real SWAT teams hesitated to engage...it was finally an improptu assembly of SWAT trained officers who basically went against orders and fully engaged the bad guys with proper weaponry and some rather "unorthodox" tactics. What would have happened if the bad guys had been fifty instead of only two?

Pose Comitatus? Lawyers and Judges and Juries debating it?

I doubt anyone would have hesitated to send in the boys from San Diego.

MM, I've got a wee bit of experience in the SWAT arena, and I've have done a detailed study of the "North Hollywood shootout". The SWAT officers that showed up were fullt ime members of the LAPD SWAT platoon. Gotta run, I'll post more later.

[Mastermind]

Yes, they were...but for that operation, they had formed an impromtu response team...not part of the "leadership" situation...that's why some of them were only partially equipped.

[Dominique]

MM, sorry for not getting back sooner, but I got tied up, and forgot about this. The morning of the shootout, a good little chunk of LAPD SWAT was serving a high risk warrant on the other side of town, and got stuck in traffic when the call came in. The guys that responded were working out at the academy, or were off duty that day, that's why they didn't have all of their callout gear. LA County SEB was also tied up, and it took them a while to get there.

Unlike most localities both the LAPD and LASD maintain large, well equipped, full time tactical teams. Both are teams are very well trained with mucho experience. LAPD SWAT sent guys to to train with the SAS prior to the 1984 Summer Olympics and continues to be one of the primer tactical unit in the US. LASD doesn't get as much press, but they're on par with LAPD.

And that's not to mention the fact that the FBI LA Field Office maintains an Enhanced SWAT Team (The largest and most active of any of the FBI SWAT Teams), who could have responded if called, along with the CHP, and many of the other localities in LA County, having teams that could have been used if called.

As far as PC goes, during certain situations the military can, and would be used to deal with civil disturbances, terrorist attacks, and a general breakdown of law and order. The military has been on standby for everything form the various Olympic games, to the party national conventions. They've also provided equipment, training, or advisers to various civilian law enforcement agencies when requested.

[Mastermind]

Thanks for the insight on that. MM

[Dominique]

Thanks for the insight on that. MM

You're welcome. I do try to provide a little additional insight on things I'm familiar with.

[Jobu]

I handed out goodies to our troops when they came into Los Angeles, it felt like liberation.

Did you kiss a sailor too?

:)


The "talk the talk" one had me in stitches btw.

[Karry]

Wayne Madsen: Bush putting final touches on Martial Law plans


October 8-10, 2008 -- FEMA sources confirm coming martial law

WMR has learned from knowledgeable Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) sources that the Bush administration is putting the final touches on a plan that would see martial law declared in the United States with various scenarios anticipated as triggers. The triggers include a continuing economic collapse with massive social unrest, bank closures resulting in violence against financial institutions, and another fraudulent presidential election that would result in rioting in major cities and campuses around the country.

In addition, Army Corps of Engineer sources report that the assignment of the 3rd Infantry Divisionʼs 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) to the Northern Command's U.S. Army North is to augment FEMA and federal law enforcement in the imposition of traffic controls, crowd control, curfews, enhanced border and port security, and neighborhood patrols in the event a national emergency being declared. The BCT was assigned to duties in Iraq before being assigned to the Northern Command.

On April 3, 2008, WMR reported on a highly-classified document regarding the martial law scenario: WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources within the US financial community that an alarming confidential and limited distribution document is circulating among senior members of Congress and their senior staff members that is warning of a bleak future for the United States if it does not quickly get its financial house in order. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is among those who have reportedly read the document. The document is being called the "C & R" document because it reportedly states that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world. "Conflict" is the "C word" in the document. The other scenario is that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government. "Revolution" is the document's "R word.

http://afterarmageddon7.blogspot.com/2008/10/wayne-madsen-bush-putting-final-touches.html

[Albatross]

Wayne Madsen wants to overthrow the government the last I heard, get a better source for you conspiracy.

[Dominique]

I'm shocked, I can't believe the government would actually try to have some sort of plan in place in the event of a total economic collapse, or to regain control if their were riots in the street. I mean who the hell do they think they are planning to make sure there's some sort of emergency plan in place in case things go completely to hell. Get real, I'd be pissed if they didn't have a plan, and had to come up with this sh*t on the fly (Katrina anyone?).

[Karry]

Get real, I'd be pissed if they didn't have a plan
True, that.
But i'm thinking the whole point of the article is in the "April 3, 2008" part.
Whatever, i just saw thas article and it fits this thread, so why not.

[WARPIG]

Knowledgeable FEMA sources? I know a couple Privates and Specialists that were missioned to FEMA.. are they knowledgeable sources? They drove trucks and filled sandbags. I guess they are.

[Dominique]

But i'm thinking the whole point of the article is in the "April 3, 2008" part.

The bailout shouldn't be that big of a shock. Analysts have been telling people for years that the real estate market was due to have "correction" soon, as prices had been artificially high, and the government was keeping interests rates low for to long. I recall hearing several state that things were going to get nasty if steps weren't taken to sure up the market in the next several months, but our glorious leaders choose to once again ignore their warnings. "What me worry?"

[XShipRider]

Legal eagle article...

The Myth of Posse Comitatus (http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm)

[Karry]

Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress was threatened with Martial Law if bill is not passed.

. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8&)

[RSone]

as a non-american i have a question. why is it such a big deal that the 3th infantry division is doing this job? isnt that what they are here for? (the whole US army i mean)

You might want to do a little search for the Posse Commitatus Act.