View Full Version : Chirac Will Not Attend Reagan Funeral
BlackRain
06-09-2004, 08:21 PM
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi are among the confirmed attendees. Britain's Buckingham Palace said Prince Charles will represent the Royal Family at the service.
French President Jacques Chirac, attending the Group of Eight summit on Sea Island, Georgia, said Foreign Minister Michel Barnier would represent his government. Mr. Chirac is currently in the USA in Georgia.
Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin says he will not attend and is sending Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson.
Bombtrack
06-09-2004, 08:28 PM
We're in the midst of an election and the PM is getting a lot of flak for not spending more time within the country (D-Day Celebrations, G8 Summit).
He219
06-09-2004, 08:37 PM
Ronald Reagan is one of the single most important historical figures of the last 60 years.
Something I just realized. This is the first State Funeral since Lyndon B. Johnson 31 years ago ....
RIP, Dutch!
EvanL
06-09-2004, 08:46 PM
Our PM will not go, because it isnt in his mandate. In situations like these, the governor general goes. As she represents our head of state, Queen Elizabeth the Second.
Our old PM Brian Mulroney will be a pallbearer for Reagans caseket. They were very close friends.
Brozozo
06-09-2004, 08:53 PM
Damn, Chirac is in the country and won't attend, sad...
does it really matter if Chirac doesn't attend? I'm sure he has a reason not to, anyone would take a day off to go to Reagan's funeral if they could, plus he would risk upsetting anyone if it wasn't necessary.
But I don't suppose any of you would consider finding out before passing judgement.
Kilgor
06-09-2004, 09:07 PM
considering all the other world leaders that are attending ?
Its pretty insulting.
considering all the other world leaders that are attending ?
Its pretty insulting.
the queen isn't going, she's our head of state as well as australia's and canada's.
Kilgor
06-09-2004, 09:13 PM
If your in town, and other leaders are going... why not ?
Its not always up to the head of state, or he/ she can come too.
The queen does nothing anyway, I bet maggie is going though.
If your in town, and other leaders are going... why not ?
Its not always up to the head of state, or he/ she can come too.
The queen does nothing anyway, I bet maggie is going though.
the queen does nothing? bollocks to that!
You clearly have no idea of what our Queen does, so don't comment!
The Queen was far better then Bush at the D-day memorial, making speeches to people of her generation far more convincingly then Bush, and clearly it meant a lot to all the veterans that she was there, representing not only British soldiers but those from Canada, Australia and New Zealand too, who made a bigger sacrifice then the UK or the US despite being on the other side of the world. Despite being close to 80 the Queen still does state visits, holds ceromonies, does investitures, etc...
All in all representing Britain and the commonwealth far better then any "democratic" equivalent, e.g. the president of Germany
usa320
06-09-2004, 09:39 PM
who gives a ****?
who gives a ****?
people who insist on having a go at Chirac...right-wing scum that he is..
Operation Ivy
06-09-2004, 09:45 PM
hes not there, so what?
EvanL
06-09-2004, 10:32 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040610/i/r2009114697.jpg
People are gathered atop the Canadian Embassy in Washington to see a procession carrying the remains of the former U.S. President Ronald Reagan (news) journeys along theon its way to U.S. Capitol in Washington, June 9, 2004. The 40th president died on Saturday at age 93. His body will lie in state in the U.S. Capitol Rotunda followed by the funeral service at Washington National Cathedral on Friday. *******/Hyungwon Kang
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040610/i/r3552716054.jpg
Former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney (R) and his wife Mila Mulroney pay their respects as the casket of former U.S. President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) lies in state in the rotunda of the United States Capitol in Washington, June 9, 2004. The former president's body will lie in state for two days in the Capitol before his formal state funeral on June 11. *******/Jason Reed
Mr Gently Benevolent
06-10-2004, 07:04 AM
I bet maggie is going though.
No she is not.
Flagg
06-10-2004, 07:25 AM
Kilgor wrote:
I bet maggie is going though.
Bacilluspolymyxa wrote:
No she is not.
Must be a Fembot then....
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40255000/jpg/_40255107_thatcher_reagan203.jpg
Baroness Thatcher has paid her last respects to former US president Ronald Reagan as his body lies in state in Washington.
She has pre-recorded a eulogy to Mr Reagan, whom she has described as "one of my closest...and dearest friends".
Lady Thatcher, 78, rested her hand on the flag-draped coffin when she visited the Capitol Rotunda ahead of a national funeral service on Friday.
Reagan died on Saturday at 93, after a long battle with Alzheimer's disease.
Friday's funeral ceremony will be attended by the Prince of Wales and Prime Minister Tony Blair. Baroness Thatcher will join President George Bush in eulogising Mr Reagan.
Mark Sman
06-10-2004, 07:28 AM
This is the first State Funeral since Lyndon B. Johnson 31 years ago
Not sure what to say about that.
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/Rios060804.html
http://www.nixonfoundation.org/Research_Center/Nixons/RichardNixonFuneral.shtml
As for Chirac, the man is running a government. He may have pressing duties. Thats no BS. Time does not stop. He probably would attend if he could. There is no way that Chirac would use the funeral of Reagan to snub the US. It is beneath the French sense of honor. He wouldn't do it. If he isn't there, he probably has a reason.
As for the Queen. A Trans-Atlantic trip may not be in her best interest health wise. She has just made a tour, and may not be able to make another on the heals of it. We don't know. Anyone here who is 80 years old please feel free to add a personal perspective. Prince Charles will represent. A role he will see more of in the future no doubt, and no insult to the US or the UK.
Mr Gently Benevolent
06-10-2004, 07:33 AM
Kilgor wrote:
I bet maggie is going though.
Bacilluspolymyxa wrote:
No she is not.
Must be a Fembot then....
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40255000/jpg/_40255107_thatcher_reagan203.jpg
Baroness Thatcher has paid her last respects to former US president Ronald Reagan as his body lies in state in Washington.
She has pre-recorded a eulogy to Mr Reagan, whom she has described as "one of my closest...and dearest friends".
Lady Thatcher, 78, rested her hand on the flag-draped coffin when she visited the Capitol Rotunda ahead of a national funeral service on Friday.
Reagan died on Saturday at 93, after a long battle with Alzheimer's disease.
Friday's funeral ceremony will be attended by the Prince of Wales and Prime Minister Tony Blair. Baroness Thatcher will join President George Bush in eulogising Mr Reagan.
*Hands Up* You got me I read that she was in poor shape and could not go. I stand corrected. :oops:
BlackRain
06-10-2004, 07:47 AM
Our PM will not go, because it isnt in his mandate. In situations like these, the governor general goes. As she represents our head of state, Queen Elizabeth the Second.
Our old PM Brian Mulroney will be a pallbearer for Reagans caseket. They were very close friends.
The Canadian Prime Minister attended John Kennedy's funeral in Washington DC.
Among the world leaders in attendance were Britain's Prince Philip and Prime Minister Douglas-Home, France's President Charles de Gaulle, Greece's Queen Frederika, Japan's Crown Prince Akihito, Belgium's King Baudouin, Russia's Deputy Premier Mikoyan, Ethiopia's Emperor Haile Selassie, Ireland's President De Valera, Canada's Prime Minister Pearson, Germany's Chancellor Erhard, and the Philippine's President Macapagal.
The Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien attended the Funeral of Prime Minister Rabin on November 6, 1995. As did, President Jacques Chirac,
Foreign Minister Herve De Charette, Minister of Defense Francois Leotard.
Flagg
06-10-2004, 08:00 AM
*Hands Up* You got me I read that she was in poor shape and could not go. I stand corrected.
No worries.....
Mark Sman
06-10-2004, 08:08 AM
edit: Ah, the hell with it.
Flagg
06-10-2004, 08:14 AM
Speaking of conjugal visits...I wonder if Chirac is actually visiting his old buddy Saddam in jail......being in Georgia for the G8 Summit.....in a global sense it's only a quick hop in a chopper and voila...you're in DC...funny that?
http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0322/2057832.jpg
Saddam: Hey Chirac.....can we buy a nuclear reactor and some enriched uranium?
Chirac: I don't know Saddam....what do you need a reactor and enriched uranium for?
Saddam: Strictly for "peaceful" purposes.....and to liquidate Israel......hahahaha...just kidding my good French friend
Chirac: You're so funny Saddam, that's why I like you....but seriously....reactors and enriched uranium are verrrrrrry expensive
Saddam: I give you $5 billion dollars
Chirac: Sold!
France and Iraq working together hand in hand.........memories....good times
What?
stephane from Paris
06-10-2004, 10:17 AM
out of context!!!!!!!!
this was in mid 70's, Irak didn't attack israel in 1973 and didn't menace it !!!!!
And Sadam wasn't at this time a tyran , and he wasn't the leader of Irak!
People change, sometimes in good, sometimes in bad!!! Look how was Bush younger in the 70's :) :) !
who gives a ****?
people who insist on having a go at Chirac...right-wing scum that he is..
rofl yeah that's always the funny thing. All the US right-wingers are praising Bush, and ripping on the lefty Kerry. Yet at the same time they rip on the right-winger Chirac and praise the left-wing Blair! :lol:
Mark_Aspen
06-10-2004, 12:54 PM
Difference between JFK and Reagan is one was a sitting head-of-state, the other retired. Same difference with the Rabin funeral. To my knowledge neither Sharon or Pres. Katsav is attending.
BlackRain
06-10-2004, 01:17 PM
Difference between JFK and Reagan is one was a sitting head-of-state, the other retired. Same difference with the Rabin funeral. To my knowledge neither Sharon or Pres. Katsav is attending.
It is a sign of respect for a leader to have foreign heads of state attend the memorial.
Most of the leading American allied heads of government are attendings.
Germany, Ireland, Britan, etc sans Canada and France.
Reagan protected western Europe and helped with the reunification of east/west Germany.
It is an insult to send a no-name beaurocrat to the funeral.
Even Putin and Gorbachev are attending.
Old300
06-10-2004, 01:22 PM
Difference between JFK and Reagan is one was a sitting head-of-state, the other retired. Same difference with the Rabin funeral. To my knowledge neither Sharon or Pres. Katsav is attending.
It is a sign of respect for a leader to have foreign heads of state attend the memorial.
Most of the leading American allied heads of government are attendings.
Germany, Ireland, Britan, etc sans Canada and France.
Reagan protected western Europe and helped with the reunification of east/west Germany.
It is an insult to send a no-name beaurocrat to the funeral.
Even Putin and Gorbachev are attending.
The Governor-General of Canada is the representative of that country's head of state, Elizabeth II. The PM isn't the head of state. Nor is Ronald Reagan our HoS.
It's entirely appropriate for countries to send representatives in place of heads of state or heads of government. I'm a HUGE fan of President Reagan and I'm impressed with the delegations that foreigners have sent. And anyway, it's our show. I'm glad Mrs. Thatcher, etc., are coming, but that's not what's important.
What's important are the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've travelled across the continent to pay their respects to this good man.
Mark_Aspen
06-10-2004, 01:46 PM
I didn't see Putin on the list, but maybe he jumped up from the G8 meeting. The point I raised, Reagan / JFK is that there's protocal that governs this stuff, and its different for a respected former leader and an assisnated sitting one.
How many funerals has the US President gone to, as opposed to the Vice President?
I don't care if Chirac, or any other world leader shows up...I'm glad that the American people did show up however, because they prob meant more to Reagan than alot of these prime ministers, queens, etc.
BlackRain
06-10-2004, 02:02 PM
The Governor-General of Canada is the representative of that country's head of state, Elizabeth II. The PM isn't the head of state.
I could accept that argument had not previous Canadian Prime Ministers attended US Presidential funerals in the past. What is most interesting is the the G-8 leaders are here in Georgia already.
It would definitely would have been a great opportunity for the PM of Canada and France to show up and help ease some of the tensions over the war in Iraq with a show of good will.
Instead we get this cyncial commentary about the D-Day Celebrations from Le Monde. "The voice of European multilateralism, laments that it was too effective, that French President Chirac's appearance by his side gave Bush an electoral boost.." * Washington Post.
You are right about the average US citizens paying respect for President Reagan.
Police expected more than 150,000 people to pass through the rotunda in the 34 hours allotted to the public. More than 100,000 had viewed the coffin while it was 'lying in repose' for two days at the Reagan presidential library in California earlier this week.
out of context!!!!!!!!
this was in mid 70's, Irak didn't attack israel in 1973 and didn't menace it !!!!!
And Sadam wasn't at this time a tyran , and he wasn't the leader of Irak!
People change, sometimes in good, sometimes in bad!!! Look how was Bush younger in the 70's :) :) !
irak didnt attack israel because they were making thier surefire bomb to nuke israel with! because israel collected evidence, figured in 5 years iraq would have a serious weapon, and bombed the **** out of them before iraq finished thier nuclear weapons program! out of context, out of context!
sadam wasnt a tyrant at the time, he was only a mini tyrant! the diet cola of tyrants, he was just the tyrant in training, he was only the vice tyrant, cut him some slack you mean bastards!
look out how bush was in the 70's doing drugs with millions of americans and getting laid! lets tack on, and hanging out with tyrants for fun! parties kick ass when a tyrant cooks the meat! rofl
chauncy republicans
06-10-2004, 02:42 PM
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi are among the confirmed attendees. Britain's Buckingham Palace said Prince Charles will represent the Royal Family at the service.
French President Jacques Chirac, attending the Group of Eight summit on Sea Island, Georgia, said Foreign Minister Michel Barnier would represent his government. Mr. Chirac is currently in the USA in Georgia.
Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin says he will not attend and is sending Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson.
WHO GIVES A ****!?? OMG THE FRENCH ARE OUT TO KILL US!!!
MORE REASON FOR YOU SO_CALLED PATRIOTS TO BASH A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO DONT SHARE YOUR POLITICAL BELIEVES. :cantbeli:
THEN TURN AROUND AND CRY LIKE BABIES ABOUT ANTI_AMERICAN EUROPEANS!
EvanL
06-10-2004, 03:06 PM
The Governor-General of Canada is the representative of that country's head of state, Elizabeth II. The PM isn't the head of state.
I could accept that argument had not previous Canadian Prime Ministers attended US Presidential funerals in the past. What is most interesting is the the G-8 leaders are here in Georgia already.
It would definitely would have been a great opportunity for the PM of Canada and France to show up and help ease some of the tensions over the war in Iraq with a show of good will.
Instead we get this cyncial commentary about the D-Day Celebrations from Le Monde. "The voice of European multilateralism, laments that it was too effective, that French President Chirac's appearance by his side gave Bush an electoral boost.." * Washington Post.
You are right about the average US citizens paying respect for President Reagan.
Police expected more than 150,000 people to pass through the rotunda in the 34 hours allotted to the public. More than 100,000 had viewed the coffin while it was 'lying in repose' for two days at the Reagan presidential library in California earlier this week.
DOnt go looking for a flame war man. Cus thats what your asking for with those comments. Good thing i dont fall for the bait.
Our PM, is in the midst of an election now. He is hard pressed for time. He Just left the G8 Summit a day early to return to Canada for his campaigning.
The governor general, is an important official. You dont have an equivalent in the state, so you could not understand.
If your looking for any more of a friend and ally of the U.S., look no further than Canada. Incidents like these are not snubs.
stephane from Paris
06-10-2004, 03:09 PM
SOG: Israel have nuclear weapons since 25years!!!!
Sadam's knows that if he nuke israel the return of fire destroy all his country!
This guy just wanted to be sure that nobody could attack him! How should be Irak if someone used nukes in the mid east? Remember Tchernobil ! A nuclear attack should give all the countries no-living zone!
Sadams is a pure bastard but not an idiot! His main goal was to protect his power!
Btw there's no proof about postGW1 seriopus nuclear program!
If you want speaking about tyrans and human rights we should speak on democracy in Egypt, Saudi, Pakistan, Turkey... Ahhhhhhhhhhh Sorry it's our friends :bash:
Concerning Reagan (RIP), i should says where was US president when Mitterand died?
Mark Sman
06-10-2004, 04:43 PM
Concerning Reagan (RIP), i should says where was US president when Mitterand died?
Not sure where Bill Clinton was that day. Probably gettiing blown.
chauncy republicans
06-10-2004, 05:03 PM
Concerning Reagan (RIP), i should says where was US president when Mitterand died?
Not sure where Bill Clinton was that day. Probably gettiing blown.
LMFAO! rofl
BlackRain
06-11-2004, 02:02 PM
Concerning Reagan (RIP), i should says where was US president when Mitterand died?
Not sure where Bill Clinton was that day. Probably gettiing blown.
LMFAO! rofl
Clinton did not attend because he was going through a little contraversy at home at that time. It did not help that the polygamist Mitterand had his wife and mistress (an corresponding families) at the funeral. This called attention to Clinton's dubious fidelity.
Olybrius
06-11-2004, 02:19 PM
funny thread
i like when yanks are whining about France p-)
fantassin
07-02-2004, 04:09 PM
To bring matter to a close, the man who was France's president at the beginning of Reagan's mandate, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, was present.
Chirac was just the mayor of Paris at the time.
DPGLAW
07-02-2004, 04:35 PM
IN my opinion it just shows how pathetic he is by not showing for Mr. Regan's funeral. As someone previously said on here, Regan was one of the most respected and historically important President, and public figure in history. To put personal feelings about one;s country ahead of that for political gain is sad.
There is no other event that he could be attending that is as important as that funeral , I saay that because I do not know what his reason for not going himself is, but I assume that will probably be along the lines of that he has conflicting events. This really is just another example of how the French government is lacking in character.
I hope, for the French people, that he changes his mind and decides to attend this funeral as this looks really bad for the country as a whole...RIP Mr. Regan
ZeroPositive
07-03-2004, 12:35 AM
RIP Regan :)
I sure loved Starwars...
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