Phillippines: All Out War Looms between Muslims/Christians

[Calanen]

All-out war looms between Muslim and Christian

Wednesday 24 September 2008

In the southern Philippines, fighting between religious militias has left at least 100 dead in the past month. An attempt by the government to ease tensions by allowing the dominant Muslims to enforce Sharia law has only resulted in more violence. [Really? Who would've thunk it...]

In Marawi City, the "Islamic Pearl" of the Philippines, Sharia law is the only rule. This was a concession by the government to Muslims aimed at easing the tensions between their community and Christians in the southern Philippines.

The move has had the opposite effect. For the past five weeks, the conflict between the army and Muslim rebels has escalated. Religious violence in the southern Philippines has left 100 people dead and 400,000 displaced in the past month.

The government has deployed 70% of its armed forces in the zone.

http://www.france24.com/en/20080924-philippines-religion-fighting-war-christians-muslims&navi=MONDE

Note: vid at link.

[ZeroZen]

Its about Muslims against Christians, its a war between MILF(Moro Islamic Liberation Front)20,000 armed group and the Philippine govt. this conflict erupted because of the MoA-BJE(Memorandum of Agreement-Bangsamoro Judicial Entity) without the consent of the Bangsamoro people and the deal wins favorably to the MILF.

The agreement was the recognition that only Moro ancestry owns and regulate the lands under the Judicial Entity(MILF) with comprise of Sharia law and without a needed referendum because it is under the International treaty of ethnic self-determination. MILF said the agreement is a done deal and supersedes the Philippine constitution. After the agreement was done, news reach the capital about this baloney deals didn't agree and it was total sold out to the bandits(MILF). On August 4, 2008, the Philippine Supreme Court issued a temporary restraining order, preventing the Government from signing a peace agreement with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. The deal needed to be ratified my the House of the Representative and the Senate. but failed the support the Filipino people because it promote "Bakalization"( UN Self-determination clause), division of Filipino Muslims,Christians.
Its all about ethnicity than nationhood.


The following day, MILF starting to occupying villages in Mindanao and 100,000 Bangsamoro Christians and Muslims started fleeing this occupied towns and villages.
The 24hour ultimatum given by the govt to MILF to leave the towns and villages failed. AFP(Armed Forces of the Philippines) started liberating the villages. but the MILF forces also started taking and harassing other towns, conflict widens. This becomes more complicated, MILF Central Command claims that a lost commands are doing that and it has nothing to do about the group. Philippine govt have doubts about the MILF ability to control its armed group. but still The AFP chasing the Umbra Kato MILF groups in Mindanao with a hefty bounty on there head. It is speculated that they fled to Sabah, Malaysia.

Rattled about the agreements,the Philippines ditch the agreement. Still this agreement overlapse other 1996 peace agreement with the MNLF(Moro National Liberation Front) which is the mother of all muslim faction of the MILF. Which the broke away during the Tripoli deal in 1970's.

From my point of view, MILF should be finish and eliminated. Philippine gov't doesn't have gut but a bunch of punany.

[Rudolph]

Good luck to the Christian government!

[kamaz]

i giggle every time I read the acronym of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front

[Warlord]

i giggle every time I read the acronym of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front


Not so funny when you think of the many hardships these retards have bought upon both Christians and Muslims alike.

They even attacked Muslim dominated towns without any logical reason other than to rampage after the supreme court decided invalidate the draft of the deal. Then the rebel leadership claims that their troops who attacked did so beyond their control - reason? Because they said their troops where "emotional" about the outcome of the peace process.

What a bunch of loons.

[PVJ]

NO really? Sharia law only made the situation worse? Someone might wanna mention this to the UK gov. I dont get how 70% of the Phillipines army isnt enough to crush some punk @ss rebels.

[Vorian]

i giggle every time I read the acronym of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front

Happens to me too. We are just immature

[Calanen]

I dont get how 70% of the Phillipines army isnt enough to crush some punk @ss rebels.

It's not the numbers, its the willingness that is lacking. The Philippino government thinks that they can do some sort of deal to avoid bloodshed, but they can't. Any concessions will be seen as a sign of weakness and there will be demands for more. They need to make no concessions - the Philippines is a Catholic country under democratic rule with a common law system. No sharia, no muslim rule, not now, not ever.

[Sanat-e-naft]

It's not the numbers, its the willingness that is lacking. The Philippino government thinks that they can do some sort of deal to avoid bloodshed, but they can't. Any concessions will be seen as a sign of weakness and there will be demands for more. They need to make no concessions - the Philippines is a Catholic country under democratic rule with a common law system. No sharia, no muslim rule, not now, not ever.

I agree. IMHO Relig. rule of any kind is seriously flawed in modern society, and prevents growth in more sector than one. They should go in there and carpet bomb these maggots.

[Ghelp]

Phillippines is a Catholic country.Not Muslim and never will be.The Muslims will have to learn to assimilate.

[mwe]

From my point of view, MILF should be finish and eliminated. Philippine gov't doesn't have gut but a bunch of punany.

If only complex problems could be solves as easily as people on the internet believe they should be. They should hire you to solve the problem, as it is so easy to finish off the rebels.


The Muslims will have to learn to assimilate.

They have been there a long time.


They should go in there and carpet bomb these maggots.

Sounds so easy and one would think in over 30 years someone would have tried that, oh wait, umm yeah.


Phillippines is a Catholic country.Not Muslim and never will be.

The southerners have been Muslim for quite some time. And BTW they are not trying to make Manila a Muslim city, their goal was originally to make their own country in traditional Moro lands and today is autonomy, probably not scary enough so you can stick with the Islamo horde conquering Luzon.


It's not the numbers, its the willingness that is lacking.

Money, equipment, numbers, multiple fronts, multiple rebel groups, corruption, lack of faith in the government, widespread support for the rebels all all groups, poor economy, terrain; no its just their refusal to deal with IslamoNaziFascism.

[RallyPointCebu]

Muslim autonomy and Mindanao as their state? OMG. its not gonna happen. it never will be.

[Calanen]

Phillippines is a Catholic country.Not Muslim and never will be.The Muslims will have to learn to assimilate.

Nobody has to 'assimiliate' - I hate that word, but I know probably what you meant. Anyone, in any democratic country can wear turbans, burquas, go dancing, listen to whatever Arabic music they want, believe that Mohammed is the Prophet, believe that the Giant Teapot is the Prophet, or that they are themselves are the Prophet.

But under the guise of religion - they NEVER have the right to attempt to install new laws, overthrow the government, commit acts of terror. Never. They have to agree to live under infidel law, in an infidel country, indefinitately and peacefully - without calls for sharia, jihad, or theocracy. They have to respect the right of infidels to live with them and beside them, and the infidel rights to drink alcohol, not fast on Ramadan, and keep dogs.

And if they don't like that - then it's simple - get out.

And if you want to declare jihad, then the Philippino Catholics need to arm up and wipe them out. Philippinos are nice people, and so generally the Catholics are trying to compromise. But you can never compromise with these guys - as all treaties are Al Taqiyaa and a temporary hudna. There is no everlasting peace - just ceasefires to prepare for more jihad and conquest.

[MichaelF]

Need to hire the MILF Hunter.

[mwe]

And if they don't like that - then it's simple - get out.

They have been there, in the South, longer than the Catholics.


just ceasefires to prepare for more jihad and conquest.

Jihad? Conquest? More like autonomy these days, at their peak the goal was a state of their own in their own traditional lands in the South.


then the Philippino Catholics need to arm up and wipe them out.

Yawn.

[Warlord]

They have been there, in the South, longer than the Catholics.



Jihad? Conquest? More like autonomy these days, at their peak the goal was a state of their own on their own lands in the South.



Yawn.

It doesn't matter who has been there longer. No matter what religion you follow, the inhabitants come from the same race/stock, secondly, if it came to that argument, then we can safely say that the "lumads" (animists) have been there longer than both Muslim and Christian peoples.

You cannot now possibly make a separate Muslim state in a region that is has a Christian majority. The Christian majority will not be ruled by emphatically immature bunch of rebels.

Yawn if you want, but I dread the day that the Filipino Catholics start arming up. Even the Muslims who are against the MILF are asking the military and government for arms to defend themselves. If you didn't notice, the first line of defense, CAFGU's (local militia) in Muslim villages are Muslims themselves and have been fighting back during the attacks of the allegedly rogue MILF commanders (rogue according to their leaders but so much of a lie).

[ren0312]

It's not the numbers, its the willingness that is lacking. The Philippino government thinks that they can do some sort of deal to avoid bloodshed, but they can't. Any concessions will be seen as a sign of weakness and there will be demands for more. They need to make no concessions - the Philippines is a Catholic country under democratic rule with a common law system. No sharia, no muslim rule, not now, not ever.

You do not understand, unlike Europe, there is no imbalance between the TFRs of Malay Muslims and Malay Christians, so we could afford to take out time on dealing with the problem, and relationships between the Muslims other communities are quite civil.

[Calanen]

You do not understand, unlike Europe, there is no imbalance between the TFRs of Malay Muslims and Malay Christians, so we could afford to take out time on dealing with the problem, and relationships between the Muslims other communities are quite civil.

I understand. I'm not sure you do. But I think you will be made to - shortly.

Nothing stays civil for long when jihad is the call.

[CreepingDeath]

Muslim autonomy and Mindanao as their state? OMG. its not gonna happen. it never will be.

no they're not aiming for mindanao, for now. it'll soon be. migration of muslims from southern mindanao is growing in the northern areas.

last time I checked: I was in Cagayan de oro, and yes the local news back then says that they (local government) wants the whole philippines a federal government making mindanao a "state". As I recall Correctly, I saw a poster of Sen. Pimentel supporting this cause.



and its also a surprise they even composed a national anthem of mindanao. :|

[Mastermind]

the Philippines is a Catholic country under democratic rule with a common law system.

If they keep going as they are now...that will not be the case in the very near future.

[Ought Six]

The Filipino population is 90% Xn, 5% Muslim, and 5% all other faiths and non-belivers combined. If Islamists continue to foment violence, they will be on the losing end in the final analysis due to simple demographics.

[sujithkochi]

Nothing stays civil for long when jihad is the call.

Calling terrorism Jihad and terrorists Jihadis is the biggest mistake one can make.

There is nothing holy in killing unarmed civilians who are no threat to anyone

[Calanen]

Calling terrorism Jihad and terrorists Jihadis is the biggest mistake one can make.

There is nothing holy in killing unarmed civilians who are no threat to anyone

Is it really? Well, what do they call themselves? What do *they* say they are doing? And isnt it their interpretation of Islam, that says, there are no innocents because any non-muslims have rejected Allah -and are therefore not innocent?

If unbelievers die, arent they, on their view, just doing what Allah has commanded them to do:


The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have : Sunan Abu Dawud 14:2635)

So unless you live like a muslim, muslims have to fight you because you are the unbelievers - sounds familiar, doesnt it.

[ayanami_tard]

innocent non-believer is still innocent and shedding their blood makes such person to be no better than those non-believer themselves

look at other aspect.southern moro people is a sedentary people.they are more willing to grow vegetation than making a war.it is the philippines government roblem.the economy aren't evenly distributed and often being discriminate.those moro only want an autonomous power,not a total independenc.of course when the discrimination coincide with religion split,then the undertreated will used this as a motivation.

too much comparison with iraq and afghanistan i guess

[Calanen]

innocent non-believer is still innocent and shedding their blood makes such person to be no better than those non-believer themselves

look at other aspect.southern moro people is a sedentary people.they are more willing to grow vegetation than making a war.it is the philippines government roblem.the economy aren't evenly distributed and often being discriminate.

Phillippines is a poor country. Its not just muslims who are poor..everyone is! They are making war, because, they say this is a jihad. Just like the other tiny minority of extremist misunderstanders of Islam in so many places.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9649/terrormapos8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Are you seeing a common theme here..is it just me or is there a pattern of some kind?



those moro only want an autonomous power,not a total independenc.of course when the discrimination coincide with religion split,then the undertreated will used this as a motivation.


Why should they have autonomous anything - they live in a Christian country, a Catholic country. Move to Malaysia if they want the glory of islam. And i imagine if they did, their economic circumstances would be worse not better.



too much comparison with iraq and afghanistan i guess


I dont know what that even means. The Phillippines are nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan. Except that there is yet ANOTHER group of tiny extremist misunderstanders of true islam who are whining about how hard life is for them and saying that they need to kill everyone.

[sujithkochi]

Is it really? Well, what do they call themselves? What do *they* say they are doing? And isnt it their interpretation of Islam, that says, there are no innocents because any non-muslims have rejected Allah -and are therefore not innocent?

If unbelievers die, arent they, on their view, just doing what Allah has commanded them to do:



So unless you live like a muslim, muslims have to fight you because you are the unbelievers - sounds familiar, doesnt it.

But mate, just because *they* say something like that - call themselves jihadis & this as jihad, do we hv to repeat the same and make the whole thing holy?

If a criminal procalims himself as God, will we all call him God?

[Calanen]

But mate, just because *they* say something like that - call themselves jihadis & this as jihad, do we hv to repeat the same and make the whole thing holy?

If a criminal procalims himself as God, will we all call him God?

I dont believe in any of it - it is all rubbish to me. But we need to name them for what they are. They dont care what I, an infidel call them. Couldnt give a flying proverbial.

They are not just 'criminals' - they are people whjo commit acts of jihad, according to their interpretation of Islam. If that is wrong - then let's hear why that is wrong. What we instead here is why the West should not notice them and pretend that they are doing it for a different reason - then what they say they are doing - a jihad against the west.

[mwe]

Phillippines is a poor country. Its not just muslims who are poor..everyone is! They are making war, because, they say this is a jihad. Just like the other tiny minority of extremist misunderstanders of Islam in so many places.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9649/terrormapos8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Are you seeing a common theme here..is it just me or is there a pattern of some kind?
Why should they have autonomous anything - they live in a Christian country, a Catholic country. Move to Malaysia if they want the glory of islam. And i imagine if they did, their economic circumstances would be worse not better.
I dont know what that even means. The Phillippines are nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan. Except that there is yet ANOTHER group of tiny extremist misunderstanders of true islam who are whining about how hard life is for them and saying that they need to kill everyone.

Why on earth should they leave their homeland and move to another nation. They have been in Mindanao for centuries. In the end they will get some sort of autonomy.

The Philippine government went out of their way to **** on the Moros for decades, and simply pushed them too far; from massacres, to laws limiting their land ownership rights to moving people south to claim Moro lands, and so forth and so on. And in the mean time the innocent "catholic" government had been planning to invade Malaysia, which led to the most famous massacre of Moros by the Philippine government. The real lesson is a government can only **** on people so long, and do other stupid ****, before the people decide they have had enough. If any western people were pushed that far they would have revolted also.

And BTW don't expect you to know this, but the initial Moro revolt had a more nationalist flavor back in the 1970s. It is really more an ethnic conflict; as are many other "jihads".

[m.i.t]

Phillippines is a Catholic country.Not Muslim and never will be.The Muslims will have to learn to assimilate.


Assimilate ? Calm down man...Your comments have no difference fundementalist islamists...
Everybody is free for faiths...this is one of the important basics of the
universal Human rights...

[eugenlitwin]

i giggle every time I read the acronym of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front

me too,) MILF vs. rest of the world

[El Diablo Rojo]

Assimilate ? Calm down man...Your comments have no difference fundementalist islamists...
Everybody is free for faiths...this is one of the important basics of the
universal Human rights...
Hahahaha, universal human rights. I love it when people bring that up.

I'm not saying anything.

[Calanen]

Assimilate ? Calm down man...Your comments have no difference fundementalist islamists...
Everybody is free for faiths...this is one of the important basics of the
universal Human rights...

Not if your faith says I have to die, or live under bizarre theocratic rule.

[Calanen]

Why on earth should they leave their homeland and move to another nation. They have been in Mindanao for centuries. In the end they will get some sort of autonomy.

Then stay and live under Catholic rule. If you want islamic rule - go to an islamic country. Majority rules remember? The majority are christians and dont want to live under Islamic rule.

And no they wont. It will never be enough. Any concessions made will just be the staging ground for further jihad and war.

[m.i.t]

Not if your faith says I have to die, or live under bizarre theocratic rule.

Plzzz give up that senseless fear mongerings man...No part of my faith says you have to be killed...İn all throught history it hasnt been seemed like that foolish claim...Atleast in my country...

l think İf you were born as a muslim you would be member of AQ or mullah with this harsh untolaranted fanatism...Save yourselves from that fanatism
And your claims are too similiar some islamic fundementslist fanatics who support insane gory terorism...

They speak just like you. Christians hate islam... Christians are enemy of islam....Christian will kill all muslims.....blah blah blah...

l have been to england and germany many times...No one hated me or tried to kill me...

Some of those islamic fanatics say "POKEMON" or other cartoons are secret poison for mind of islamic youth...Ridiculus idiots...


This is not about islam or faiths. This is personally fanatism...

[RallyPointCebu]

Plzzz give up that senseless fear mongerings man...No part of my faith says you have to be killed...İn all throught history it hasnt been seemed like that foolish claim...Atleast in my country...

l think İf you were born as a muslim you would be member of AQ or mullah with this harsh untolaranted fanatism...Save yourselves from that fanatism
And your claims are too similiar some islamic fundementslist fanatics who support insane gory terorism...

They speak just like you. Christians hate islam... Christians are enemy of islam....Christian will kill all muslims.....blah blah blah...

l have been to england and germany many times...No one hated me or tried to kill me...

Some of those islamic fanatics say "POKEMON" or other cartoons are secret poison for mind of islamic youth...Ridiculus idiots...


This is not about islam or faiths. This is personally fanatism...


i LOLed when you mention POKEMON and other cartoons are the secret poison for the mind of Islamic youth... WTF!

I've been to Asian Islamic places. They too are thesame as the Christians in the very place. regardless of what Religion you are practicing.. as long as you follow the rule of the state. Like Singapore for instance.. there is order and yet a lot of diff religions are present.

i agree.. it is personal fanatism.. probably they are lured by the 72 virgins.

[hughdotoh]

I couldn't download my Maria Ozawa pics fast enough, lucky for me that this thread is rather interesting. I speak as one who travels frequently between Manila, CagDeOro, Zamboanga, and Davao. I meet with the locals a lot, and I even hit the bush lots of times especially when I need to make deals with farmer co-ops and such.

Make no mistake, despite the "Islamic" in their title, they are no more "Islamic" than the Chinese. They drink strong gin, they eat pork, and they don't really read and understand the Koran. They are into the fight not for a Moroland, but to pull off a landgrab using "liberation" as an excuse. Most Moros hate them because they are the laziest, least innovative, and dumbest of the lot. I believe Germans have the same perception of their Gen-X NeoNazis.

Christians there didn't really mind armed Moro neighbors (owning a gun is a man thing in Mindanao) until the MILF put up that ancestral land claim over all of Mindanao. That was pure bollo, because although Muslims used to outnumber Christians, their ancestors never really claimed the whole island as their own; or if they did, the animist lumads pretty much ran the place anyway, much as they did long before Islam was introduced.

Muslims were and still are represented in Congress, and believe you me, if it's a sign of integration, I buy my **** videos from Muslims. No Catholic would want to be caught selling **** by a nun.

The MILF is nothing less than a heavily armed bandit group. Screw anybody who thinks that negotiating with them would bring about some measure of peace.