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seruriermarshal
06-10-2004, 12:49 AM
Engines From Iraq Missiles Seen in Jordan

1 hour, 9 minutes ago

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - U.N. weapons experts have found 20 engines used in banned Iraqi missiles in a Jordan scrapyard along with other equipment which could be used to make weapons of mass destruction, an official said Wednesday.


The discoveries were revealed to the U.N. Security Council by acting chief U.N. inspector Demetrius Perricos during in a closed-door briefing. The text was obtained by The Associated Press.


The U.N. team was following up on an earlier discovery of a similar Al Samoud 2 engine in a scrapyard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam. Perricos said inspectors also want to check in Turkey, which has also received scrap metal from Iraq (news - web sites).


The discoveries raise questions about the fate of material and equipment that could be used to produce biological and chemical weapons as well as banned long-range missiles.


The missile engines and some other equipment discovered in the scrapyards had been monitored by U.N. inspectors because of their potential dual use in both legitimate civilian activities and banned weapons production.


In his briefing to the Security Council, Perricos said U.N. inspectors do not how much material has been removed from Iraq that they had been monitoring.


U.N. inspectors were pulled out of Iraq just before the war began in March 2003, and the United States has refused to allow them to return, instead deploying its own teams to search for weapons of mass destruction.


Perricos suggested that the interim Iraqi government, which will assume sovereignty when the U.S. and British occupation of the country ends on June 30, may want to reconsider "the whole policy for the continued export of metal scrap" which apparently started in mid-2003 and is regulated by the U.S.-led coalition.


"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks ... thereby also rendering the task of the disarmament of Iraq and its eventual confirmation, more difficult," Perricos said.


"The only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," he said, according to the text of his briefing.


Afterwards, he told reporters that up to a thousand tons of scrap metal was leaving Iraq every day.


"It's being exported. It's being traded out, and there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal," he said.


During last week's visit to Jordan, Perricos told the council that U.N. experts visited "relevant scrapyards" with the full cooperation of Jordanian authorities and discovered 20 SA-2 missile engines.


The U.N. team also discovered some processing equipment with U.N. tags — which show it was being monitored — including heat exchangers, and a solid propellant mixer bowl to make missile fuel, he said. It also discovered "a large number of other processing equipment without tags, in very good condition."


"These visits provide just a snapshot of the whole picture since the scrap metal has a short residence time and is re-exported to various countries," Perricos told the council.


In its quarterly report to the council on Monday, the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission which Perricos heads, said a number of sites in Iraq known to have contained equipment and material that could be used to produce banned weapons and long-range missiles have been cleaned out or destroyed.


The inspectors said they didn't know whether the items, which had been monitored by the United Nations (news - web sites), were at the sites during the U.S.-led war in Iraq. The commission, known as UNMOVIC, said it was possible some material was taken by looters and sold as scrap.





UNMOVIC said its experts and a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. body responsible for dismantling Iraq's nuclear program, were jointly investigating items from Iraq discovered in a scrapyard in Rotterdam.




From (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040610/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_weapons_inspectors&cid=540&ncid=1478)

M1A2U2
06-10-2004, 12:58 AM
If thousands of scrap metal can get out everyday why cant Chemical weapons?

Vance
06-10-2004, 01:04 AM
If thousands of scrap metal can get out everyday why cant Chemical weapons?
Or peices of chemical weapons.

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-10-2004, 02:36 AM
If thousands of scrap metal can get out everyday why cant Chemical weapons?
Clutching at straws. :)

ronin2172
06-10-2004, 05:01 AM
lol, i'm so tired of these reports...everytime somone shows a report with the headline missle parts found in Jordan, people get their panties in a bunch....too bad the engine parts were from SA-2's (which r next to useless) hardly weapons of mass destruction. If it would have at least said FROG-7 (better but not much) or sumthing then ok.

We all know he had the capacity to make these weapons but there still is no evedience that he was activly producing said weapons and intending to use them to threaten regional stability or peace (at the time of invasion). Until u find a storage area in Iraq or a hidden chemical production facility that shows signs of recent usage then u can say the decision to go in is vindicated.

That's like my neighbor telling the cops i have a gun and she feels i might threaten her, all they find is a single bullet (old corroded, useless) in my yard (not even in my house) and arrest me for gun possesion. How would that hold up in a court?

OB Kenobi
06-10-2004, 05:35 AM
Now it's obvious what happened to Saddam's WMD. The crooks in his military sold what was left on the black market, the way some Russian troops do the same with submarine parts and weapons.

usa320
06-10-2004, 03:33 PM
The U.N. team also discovered some processing equipment with U.N. tags — which show it was being monitored — including heat exchangers, and a solid propellant mixer bowl to make missile fuel, he said. It also discovered "a large number of other processing equipment without tags, in very good condition."


So stuff we knew Iraq had in the 1990's is now in Jordan...

Its obvious...Saddam Moved his WMD, which it is now clear he had, to Jordan and Syria.

Pooga
06-10-2004, 04:06 PM
No! Saddam never had weapons of mass destruction and they are NOT in other countries! How do I know this? Because I feel it in the bottom of my heart!

http://www.mapville.com/pash/bob.jpg

Secret Squirrel
06-10-2004, 04:34 PM
The U.N. team also discovered some processing equipment with U.N. tags — which show it was being monitored — including heat exchangers, and a solid propellant mixer bowl to make missile fuel, he said. It also discovered "a large number of other processing equipment without tags, in very good condition."


So stuff we knew Iraq had in the 1990's is now in Jordan...

Its obvious...Saddam Moved his WMD, which it is now clear he had, to Jordan and Syria.

grasping for straws again? Clear he moved them? why because you cant find what wasnt there? rofl

Tane Angle
06-10-2004, 04:46 PM
Here's the question: were the sold off as scrap or whatnot because they were being destroyed? If they were being destroyed, then that's not a problem. If they were stolen from a base and then sold, that's something else, but I don't know if I have a problem with those swords turning into plowshares. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-10-2004, 06:43 PM
So stuff we knew Iraq had in the 1990's is now in Jordan...

Its obvious...Saddam Moved his WMD, which it is now clear he had, to Jordan and Syria.
So lets invade Jordan or Syria take your pick Dog Of War who are you gonna invade first. USA320 do you remember the start of the war when the media watched SF going into Iraq via Jordan think about this for a while. ;)

Michael RVR
06-10-2004, 07:53 PM
No! Saddam never had weapons of mass destruction and they are NOT in other countries! How do I know this? Because I feel it in the bottom of my heart!

http://www.mapville.com/pash/bob.jpg

Best comment in either thread :hug: rofl