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digrar
09-29-2008, 04:22 AM
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24415712-31477,00.html?from=public_rss


New wheels for special forces in $4.6bn army upgrade

Mark Dodd | September 29, 2008

AUSTRALIA'S frontline warriors, the elite Special Air Service Regiment, will be trading up in November to a fleet of new gunbuggies as part of the army's $4.6 billion re-equipment contract - its biggest vehicle procurement.
Ending a 50-year relationship with Land Rover, the army will also sign off next month on a $314 million contract with Mercedes Benz for 1200 new G-Wagon light four-wheel-drive vehicles as its off-roader of choice.
Special Operations Command troops, the SASR and commandos can expect to be driving an altogether new vehicle, the British-made Supacat - named the Nary in Australia in honour of Warrant Officer David Nary, who died during a Middle East pre-deployment operation in 2005.
Eight Nary trial vehicles are onschedule for a handover to theSASR in November, Defence Materiel Organisation sources confirmed yesterday.
Special forces have been allocated 31 new Nary patrol vehicles, which will replace the SASR's fleet of ageing Long Range Patrol Vehicles.
While procurement of the light vehicles has proceeded smoothly, the same cannot be said for army's medium and heavy truck fleet - the backbone of its frontline operational logistics.
Worth about $1.6 billion, the tender to replace the army's ageing fleet of trucks and trailers is running more than 12 months behind schedule and has cost taxpayers $30 million. The tender has been refreshed and is now expected to start deliveries of 2500 up-armoured trucks in 2013. The army called for additional armour protection in response to the deadly toll from roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Concerns about whether preferred tenderer BAE Systems could meet the new armouring requirement resulted in the Rudd Government ordering the entire truck contract to be refreshed.
The Australian understands BAE will now compete against four bidders, Daimler-Benz, MAN, Mack and Thales.
G-Wagon numbers have been cut to incorporate 190 additional Bushmasters that will fill the original requirement for a light armoured people-mover.
DMO's program manager for land systems, Brigadier David O'Brien, defended the decision to go back to tender, saying no risk was worth taking when it came to protecting the lives of soldiers.
"Industry knows if the risks go up, we (DMO) will do it again," he told The Australian.
"So, I would suggest industry learn from this as we (DMO and contractors) don't want to go down this road again."
With deployments in Afghanistan, Iraq, East Timor and Solomon Islands, the pressure is on to get the contract back on track as quickly as possible.
Many of the army's heavy and medium trucks - its Unimogs and Macks - are approaching 30 years of service, while some trailers pre-date the Vietnam War. It is expected that some of the decommissioned four-wheel-drive vehicles will be disposed of as army surplus.
But military motoring enthusiasts should not expect to see any G-Wagons coming on to the used market any time soon.

kongman
09-29-2008, 05:30 AM
what a shame they are gettin rid of the rovers ........wonder what are happening to them ............... auction ???

digrar
09-29-2008, 05:55 AM
Mil surplus, coming soon to an auction near you. Stripped down, SRV/RFSU, power steering and pto winch, I could be tempted.

Alfacentori
09-29-2008, 06:00 AM
Mil surplus, coming soon to an auction near you. Stripped down, SRV/RFSU, power steering and pto winch, I could be tempted.

Genuine ex SASR landrover, that would be all kinds of cool while chatting around a barbie. :)

Alfa

digrar
09-29-2008, 06:02 AM
They've been flogged to within an inch of their life, be a bad buy.

Alfacentori
09-29-2008, 06:04 AM
True but you would assume they would have been well maintained during their life of service and so for some people who want a well built weekend warrior could be good for the right price.

Alfa

StuRat
09-29-2008, 08:10 AM
Guys at our unit were looking at getting a Rover for wood carting and general bush bashing car. I wouldn't say they would be in great condition but if they were cheep enough I'd get one.

Britboy
09-29-2008, 03:55 PM
Do the Regional Force Surveillance Units come under Aussie special operations/Special Air Service remit?

I understand they work in small LRRPs on their own for long periods of time...

Like Fernspahers?

Cheers
BB

digrar
09-30-2008, 02:28 AM
No.
They're a reserve unit, some members are better trained than others, but the basic patrolman course is pretty rudimentary, but then those members bring a great deal of local knowledge to the party as a compromise.

Britboy
09-30-2008, 08:49 AM
Okay, so the role consists of 'keeping tabs' on an area for the MoD then I take it.

I suppose in time of war their likely role would be as staybehind forces or local guides for other troops committed to the deep battle...

LRPV
09-30-2008, 09:03 AM
Mil surplus, coming soon to an auction near you. Stripped down, SRV/RFSU, power steering and pto winch, I could be tempted.

I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. A reliable source (p-)) informs me that the RFSVs were basically U/Sed late '07 due to structural fatigue. Similar problems were occurring in the go-fast mob.

digrar
09-30-2008, 09:06 AM
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/PILBARA/History.htm

You might find that of interest, it's the Western unit of the 3.

LRPV
09-30-2008, 09:10 AM
Yeah mate ta...I'll check it out now....:p:p:p

digrar
09-30-2008, 09:12 AM
Unit vehicles being bogged from one end of the area of operations to the other, as well as being washed away, drowned, rolled, crashed and burnt to the ground.

The haunting of the F Troop depot by Patrolman Leo DagDag.

Lieutenant Jones shooting himself through the foot with a Bren Gun in 1992.


Which one of those ^ were you involved in? p-)

Bushranger
09-30-2008, 09:15 AM
Any pics what this G wagon, Aussie style set up will look like.

Britboy
09-30-2008, 09:20 AM
Cheers mate.
Apologies for wading in there but sort of thought that Landies would be ex-RFSU, they probably need some wheels to get around...
BB

LRPV
09-30-2008, 09:22 AM
F Troop....Cpl Agarn....Lt Palmenter....truly apt. Of course a reliable source tells me the unit is far more professional these days...:)

LRPV
09-30-2008, 09:24 AM
Any pics what this G wagon, Aussie style set up will look like.


http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/2007919215428.aspx

link to a version.

edit: you said Aussie. Sorry. If you contact the SASR PR mob at Campbell they will probably give you a photo...

Bushranger
09-30-2008, 09:28 AM
Cheers LRPV, i was wondering if it was that 1.

digrar
09-30-2008, 10:17 AM
I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. A reliable source (p-)) informs me that the RFSVs were basically U/Sed late '07 due to structural fatigue. Similar problems were occurring in the go-fast mob.

The ones we had in 6RAR had a pretty easy life, they were pretty low Km's back in 98 when they went off to climes unknown. Your mob probably got them and burnt them to the ground...

I saw a half dozen being trucked into Taylor bks last week, all shiny and polished up with new paint jobs.


Any pics what this G wagon, Aussie style set up will look like.

I'd imagine they'll look much like the 110's pretty basic, some coms gear hanging of them, the normal cam job.

LRPV
09-30-2008, 10:38 AM
The ones we had in 6RAR had a pretty easy life, as did everyone in 6RAR.:)

I saw a half dozen being trucked into Taylor bks last week, all shiny and polished up with new paint jobs.

Yep, new paint...that'll help in the weeds.:-(




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digrar
09-30-2008, 10:43 AM
If they look good that's 90% of the battle won. ;) Same goes for Vegas boys. p-)

U W
10-04-2008, 03:36 PM
CSOR doesn't like their G-Wagons. They use HMMWVs. All the G-Wagons are used for bombing around base in Afghanistan. That includes the ones used by the regular forces. Hopefully it's some new and super improved version.

kongman
10-04-2008, 08:20 PM
They've been flogged to within an inch of their life, be a bad buy.


yes but they do sell cheap............

XIE
10-05-2008, 03:11 AM
The G Wagon will be interesting vehicle to see introduced. Wonder if they will issue to Forces Command G Wagons with SEKs on.