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Afro-European
10-02-2008, 07:27 AM
MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik) - Dmitry Medvedev's remarks that Russia is resuming production of nuclear submarines for its Navy have been widely commented on. The country's submarine fleet is in critical condition and calls for renewal. The president's words raise hopes for an early change.
Submarines play a special role in Russia's Navy. In the late 1950s, following the death of Josef Stalin, the new Soviet leaders opted for a nuclear missile equipped submarine fleet, and now it forms the core of the Navy's might. A drastic cut in the number of warships coupled with the freezing of construction of new units (only ship construction projects already started were completed) has led to a situation where Russia's submarine fleet is now facing the retirement of many vessels due to age. The construction of new submarines, which has resumed in recent years, is, unfortunately, outpaced by the decommission rate of outdated vessels.
Medvedev made special mention of nuclear-powered submarines equipped with cruise missiles plus multi-role submarines. These classes of boats have suffered the heaviest cuts in the previous years, and while Project 955 submarines are now being built for strategic forces, the situation with cruise-missile and multi-role submarines is more disquieting.
Although Project 885 cruise-missile submarines (the first of them was named Severodvinsk) and later between one and three sister ships (according to various sources) began to be built, so far not even the first one has joined the Navy. Many reasons are cited, including one that the design was raw and needed updating when construction began. The fact, however, is that no submarine is yet commissioned, and eight Project 949A submarines, built in the 1980s-1990s, make up the force intended to confront aircraft carriers. These are excellent vessels, loved by their crews and boast high performance characteristics, but they are all slowly aging.
The situation with multi-role submarines is even worse. No new vessels designed to engage hostile submarines, surface ships and to hit shore-based targets with strategic cruise missiles are under construction. At the moment, the Navy has 19 boats of this class, of three projects: 671RTMK (four units), 945(945A) (three units), and 971 (twelve units). Most of these submarines were built in the late 1980s to mid-1990s. They can still be considered modern, but the end of their service life is not far off. Some of the shipbuilding design bureaus are known to be developing new multi-role projects, but specifics about dates and specifications are not reported.
How many cruise-missile and multi-role submarines does the Russian Navy need? Estimates vary, but the figure of 30 to 40 non-strategic submarines is considered optimal. At least 20 non-strategic nuclear submarines need to be constructed to maintain the strength of the submarine branch at the required level, considering that about half of the 27 cruise-missile and multi-role submarines currently in service will retire after reaching the end of their service lives.
In theory, such rates are not too demanding - Russia has several shipyards that can build submarines - Sevmash, Admiralty Wharves, Komsomolsk and even Red Sormovo, which has the necessary experience. The real problems lie elsewhere: in cooperating enterprises and, most important of all, in personnel, whose numbers and training quality have been drastically reduced. It is to be hoped that all these problems will be solved, and soon.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081001/117370532.html

domokun
10-02-2008, 08:14 AM
Interesting news. Thanks for Afro.

God I hate reading articles about Russian fleet that doesn't mention submarines by their NATO designations, those are lot easier to remember than just arbitrary project numbers.

Good to hear that revitalization of navy part nuclear deterrence is under way, but numbers published aren't very large. The Typhoon, Oscar, Delta IV, Akula and Victor III classes will need to be replaced quite soon and that will be very expensive task to do.

Afro-European
10-02-2008, 08:27 AM
Interesting news. Thanks for Afro.
You are welcome.

God I hate reading articles about Russian fleet that doesn't mention submarines by their NATO designations, those are lot easier to remember than just arbitrary project numbers
Just google those "projects".For example: Project 885 will give you:Graney class submarine,Project 971 will give you:Akula class submarine

Good to hear that revitalization of navy part nuclear deterrence is under way, but numbers published aren't very large. The Typhoon, Oscar, Delta IV, Akula and Victor III classes will need to be replaced quite soon and that will be very expensive task to do.
Indeed.

domokun
10-02-2008, 08:43 AM
I know some of project numbers from memory and google and wikipedia are good friends to have too. It's just a minor nuisance.

TR1
10-03-2008, 02:40 AM
Since it pertains to the thread, lets get a break down of the Russian Submarine fleet, and their commission dates (info from a few cross-refferenced online sources)(with NATO designs so you noobs dont get confused ;)):

SSN:

Akula class - 9 ships

K 335 GEPARD- December 2001
K 154 TIGR- 1993
K 295 SAMARA- 1995
K 317 PANTERA - 1990
K 331 MAGADAN- 1990
K 419 KUZBASS- 1992
K 461 VOLK- 1991
K 157 VEPR- 1995
K 328 LEOPARD- 1992

K 391 BRATSK - 1989 (overhaul)
K 322 KASHALOT - 1988 (overhaul)


Alpha class- 1 test ship

Sierra class - 3 ships

B 276 KOSTROMA- 1987
B 336 PSKOV- 1993
B 534 NIZHNY NOVGOROD- 1990

B 239 TULA - 1984 (overhaul)



Victor class - 4 ships

B 388 SOSNOVY BOR- 1989
B 414 DANYL MOSKOVSKY- 1990
K 448 TAMBOV- 1992
B 138 POLYARNIE ZORI- 1990

B 380 - 1982



SSBN:

Delta III class - 5 ships

K 433 SV. GEORGIY POBEDONOSETS -1970
K 223 PODOLSK - 1980
K 211 PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKIY - 1979
K 506 ZELENOGRAD - 1978
K 496 BORISOGLEBSK - 1977

K 490 - 1978 (in reserve)
K 44 RYAZAN - 1979 (in overhaul)

Delta IV class - 5 ships

K 407 NOVOMOSKOVSK - 1992
K 117 BRYANSK - 1990
K 114 TULA - 1989
K 84 EKATIRENBURG - 1986
K 51 VERKHOTURIE - 1985

K 18 KARELIA - 1991 (In reserve)

Typhoon class - 3 ships (status and future plans very disputed)

TK 208 DMITRY DONSKOY - 1981
TK 20 SEVERSTAL - 1989
TK 17 ARKHANGELSK - 1987


SSGN

Oscar class- 5 ships


K 150 TOMSK - 1996
K 186 OMSK - 1993
K 456 VILUCHINSK - 1992
K 410 SMOLENSK - 1990
K 266 OREL - 1992

K-132 IRKUTSK - 1988 (in overhaul?)
K-442 CHELYABINSK - 1990 (repairs)
K 148 KRASNODAR - 1986 (reserve)
K 119 VORONESH - 1990 (overhaul)



SSK

17 Active Kilos
3 Kilos in ovverhaul

1 Lada


Construction:

3 Ladas

1 Severodvinsk

3 Borei

GazB
10-06-2008, 12:27 AM
At least it is not a "sky is falling" toned article like they were in the 90s.

It is OK that the current Russian fleet is smaller now than it was at the end of the cold war. Put very simply there was no Russian fleet during the cold war... that was the Soviet fleet, that had more money and resources and more enemies to deal with.

The Russian fleet can afford to be much smaller as long as it is made as good as it can possibly be then it should be able to do its job.

MZKT
10-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Where are the rest of akulas. I recall 15 of them being built.

Also why is Karelia in reserve? BDRM subs are the only modern SSBNs in rusisan navy, why do they keep 4 BDRs but decomisssion a BDRM.

GazB
10-09-2008, 08:11 PM
Also why is Karelia in reserve? BDRM subs are the only modern SSBNs in rusisan navy, why do they keep 4 BDRs but decomisssion a BDRM.

Didn't they convert some of the Delta IIIs to the rescue role of the Indias a while back? Also weren't some Delta IIIs also modified for "research".

MZKT
10-09-2008, 10:15 PM
No, they converted K-64, a DeltaIV (667BDRM) submarine which was less then 10 years old. Another example of the unimaginably idiotic rusisan navy politics, disabling one of the few and precious DeltaIV, while older and weaker DeltaIII were kept in strategic service.

And they even didn't finished the conversion, the boat is still half-cut in the dock.

GazB
10-12-2008, 06:00 PM
And they even didn't finished the conversion, the boat is still half-cut in the dock.

What a waste.

I always thought a Typhoon class sub would be cool as a base sub for lots of different types of mini subs and as a research vessel. Its sheer size would allow very long missions and very large "rescue vessels" to be used to rescue a whole crew at a time.

Ilya Kramnik
12-02-2008, 03:49 AM
Also why is Karelia in reserve?

Karelia isn`t in reserve. She has finished the modernisation two week ago. Early 2009 she will return in active service.

http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20081122/155657499.html