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walford
10-02-2008, 11:48 AM
Given that they are the Keepers of the Truth, the Illuminati, the Philosopher Kings, the Left is always looking for new ways to control what others get to see, lest their Correct interpretation is polluted by messy facts.


New-age censors 'flag' Web posts (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/02/new-age-censors-use-flagging-to-control-web-posts/)
One of the hottest Internet videos during the mortgage and banking crisis has been a YouTube clip titled "Burning Down the House," which outlines the untold story of how liberal Democrats pressured banks and lenders to throw standards out the window and give money to people who couldn't pay it back.

Try watching it now, however, and you won't be able to, thanks to the growing problem of "flag spam," the practice of abusing online filter systems to squelch political speech with which one disagrees.

We've all seen spammers at work in our e-mail inboxes. Experts estimate that 90 percent of all e-mail messages nowadays are spam, or unsolicited commercial e-mail.

Luckily for most of us, the majority of it gets filtered out. That's caused the more sophisticated spammers to change course and target a more vulnerable part of the Internet - the hugely popular Web sites like YouTube, Digg and the blogosphere, where anyone can join the discussion by posting videos, essays, reviews and other content.

More and more people are flocking to these sites, a fact that makes them attractive to spammers. Seedy salespeople also love the interactive Web because it allows them to get their products ranked higher in search results, a 2-for-1 as it were.

Because of the proliferation of fake blogs, spam comments and phony videos, many interactive sites have added mechanisms to prevent a group discussion from being hijacked by allowing regular readers to "flag" things they come across that are offensive, obviously spam or violate copyright laws.

After enough complaints about a particular piece of content are raised, the "flagged" video or comment is removed from circulation and placed into a review system in which a pre-selected group of people review it and decide whether the reports are correct.

If the complaints are judged incorrect, the content is restored to the Internet. If not, it is kept out of public view.

It makes sense for Web sites to do this: They have the right to ensure that their sites aren't turned into free advertisements for unsavory companies, after all.

What is harder to support, however, is that many Web sites' flagging systems are themselves becoming targets of abuse - by malicious individuals intent on consigning the free speech of others behind the moderation firewall.

Again and again, we've seen popular Web sites and videos taken down, often through completely spurious complaints.

On this new frontier of free speech, it appears extreme liberals are the biggest offenders. Back during the presidential primaries, an entire group of blogs that refused to support Sen. Barack Obama in his quest to defeat Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination were wrongly labeled as spam and taken down.

The Google-owned YouTube seems to be the biggest battleground for flag spammers. Dozens of pro-life videos there have been marked as "offensive" or containing "mature content," usually without any merit whatsoever. In many cases, complaints of the video producers have fallen on deaf ears.

In the 2004 campaign, a popular commercial by comic director David Zucker (whose "American Carol" movie debuts this Friday) featuring an actor playing former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright engaging in comically naive behavior toward third-world dictators was flagged by angry liberals as "mature content." Unless you had gone through the trouble of registering for a YouTube account, you couldn't watch it.

In the face of such problems, many conservatives interested in video sharing have begun gathering to Eyeblast.tv, launched by my colleagues at the Media Research Center. Still in its beta stage, Eyeblast.tv is poised to get a lot of Web traffic if YouTube doesn't get its act together and take steps to prevent liberals from abusing its flagging system.

Fortunately for free speech, Google does realize there is a problem. At a meeting last month at the Republican National Convention, Google CEO Eric Schmidt told a group of conservative bloggers that YouTube has indeed been the target of flag spam.

"We don't know how to solve it right now," he told me afterward.

Two suggestions for you, Mr. Schmidt:

1.) Make sure that the moderators appointed to review complaints are politically diverse. This makes sense because in a lot of cases, something that is offensive to one person may not be to someone else.

For the sake of public debate, it makes sense to err on the side of free speech in these situations. A politically balanced moderation system will help with that.

2.) Keep a record of what things people flag. My guess is that perpetual flagging abusers always flag the same types of videos.

The more a user flags specific types of videos, downgrade the value of his/her complaints.

Implementing these safeguards (plus some real transparency on how the moderation process works) will greatly reduce the abuse of YouTube's content flagging system, and put an end to the not-quite inaccurate perception that YouTube is more friendly to liberals than conservatives.

More important, it will boost public confidence in the Internet as the best means of engaging in the political debate. For now, it's back up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

The current financial crisis is being flogged by the Left as proof that economic freedom has had its chance and needs to be replaced by central planning. Here is my take (http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/joe-curl/2008/Sep/26/whos-blame-crisis/#c26140) on that:
Economic freedom did not cause mortgage crisis

When the harpies of Command Economy imply that too much freedom is at the root of the current mortgage crisis, I viscerally know it is wrong. Only government can make a problem like this spread throughout the financial system; not a few greedy robber barons being allowed too much economic freedom as our erstwhile public servants charged with watching them are being constrained by corporate lackeys in the Republican Party.

As was pointed out in a recent Washington Times Op-Ed, such programs as the Community Reinvestment Act give “liberal activist types legal authority to shake down corporations to get them to give mortgages to people who are bad credit risks” and systematize an otherwise smaller problem.

Armstrong Williams specified other well-intended government interventions that spread this into a crisis such as homeowner tax breaks, “implicit government” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debt guarantees, “relaxed credit standards” for mortgages and “encouraging the collateralization and sale of mortgages to investors.”

FDR successfully duped the American people into thinking that excessive economic freedom caused the stock market crash (the Fed did) and was thus given the power to inflame a momentary recession into a full-blown depression with his punitive taxation and regulation. We continue to suffer under his legacy with such boondoggles as Social Security.

Let us hope that John McCain will display the same courage that he did in the Hanoi Hilton and tell the American people that he is not going to allow this crisis to be exploited as an opportunity to curb even more of our freedom.

seraosha
10-02-2008, 01:37 PM
Sucks, but not unexpected. Younger folks are both more tech saavy and generally lean more liberal in their political outlooks...I'd blame their teachers, but the continual media bombardment shares the blame...plus the starry eyed idealism gig tends to go hand in hand with youth, inexperience, naivety etc...

These folks see nothing wrong with censoring free speech that they disagree with.

timetraveller
10-02-2008, 04:26 PM
Rather amusing video i thought ...

Nice background trk as welll

xav
10-02-2008, 04:28 PM
It is democracy...

Not the rule of the best solution or truth, but the rule of the most numerous...

A Majority of people flag that video... it gets banned...

Macs.
10-02-2008, 04:30 PM
Heh, it's not Democracy. YouTube is not a Parliament or something.

It's simply the abuse of a function that was implemented for another reason.

walford
10-02-2008, 04:42 PM
It is democracy...

Not the rule of the best solution or truth, but the rule of the most numerous...

A Majority of people flag that video... it gets banned...Indeed, what you're talking about is mob rule wherein a majority can silence a selected minority or a minority can have disproportionate influence by preventing the majority from having access to certain information that doesn't suit its agenda.

In this case, it is the latter.

If the truth and/or more complete information would tend to undermine your side's position, it is guaranteed that YOU ARE WRONG!!

SOG
10-02-2008, 06:09 PM
Some interesting thoughts about the current "crisis". Thanks. I put "crisis" in quotes as the media beats the drums like it's doomsday or something. I've been wondering if some part of this is manufactured for a reason.

Ought Six
10-02-2008, 06:51 PM
SOG:
"Some interesting thoughts about the current "crisis". Thanks. I put "crisis" in quotes as the media beats the drums like it's doomsday or something. I've been wondering if some part of this is manufactured for a reason."If you think this is just 'a crisis in quotes', then you are really just not paying attention. I have spent a *lot* of time debunking financial doomsayers on the web over the last decade as they constantly cried 'wolf!' But this is the real deal. If it is handled wrong, it could well be the Second Great Depression. Credit has dried up nearly completely. That means that businesses are not launching any new projects because they cannot get the cash to do so. Instead, they are laying people off. Some businesses have not even been able to cover daily operating costs and have been forced to close their doors. It also means consumers are buying few big-ticket items, like houses, new cars and major appliances, because they cannot get credit. That means less sales, less business, and even more layoffs. And we have already had the failure of several of America's largest financial institutions, including the largest bank failure in American history. Several $multi-hundreds of billions$ government bailouts have failed to have any significant positive effects. This thing is starting to really snowball. If it is not stopped, the economic miasma is going to last for years, and as with the Great Depression, it will drag the rest of the global economy down with us.

SOG
10-02-2008, 07:06 PM
Very worst case scenario yes. I don't doubt there is a problem BUT how to handle it is another topic altogether?

I personally feel that the media is beating that drum to get public acceptance to get just about anything passed not to mention the media always multiplies any situation like a monkey flinging feces on coke and crack. Like that, "we need to push this through really fast or else people will catch on to what we are doing" feeling.

True to form, when we do catch on and all the number crunchers have had their day and we realize marginally more time would have been a smart decision in working out a solution it will be too late. And the media will hardly raise its hand for a non-scandalous "too late I told you so" story and it will be lost within a week.

So right now we hear the drums of doom every which way we look from all corners of the media. Why is such a issue ours to heavily contemplate when it is soley out of our reach to deal with? To cause fear, panic, sensationalism and ride the wave.

And thinking that we can hold those responsible who passed something so frivolous come voting time is an utter joke. They will do their wiggling and wriggling and say they were in a rush, or compromised, or ill informed and most will not care anyway.

Like I said, manufactured.

budgie
10-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Sucks, but not unexpected. Younger folks are both more tech saavy and generally lean more liberal in their political outlooks...I'd blame their teachers, but the continual media bombardment shares the blame...plus the starry eyed idealism gig tends to go hand in hand with youth, inexperience, naivety etc...

These folks see nothing wrong with censoring free speech that they disagree with.

The article plainly states that this is the work of malicious individuals but then credits the entire left with trying to stifle free speech without drawing a clear line between the two. I take this for what it is - a flaw in the flagging system on some sites that individuals may be exploiting. There's no real conspiracy here outside the writer's own imagination and he provides no evidence of such. Also, the reporter has only identified popular 'conservative' clips and posts as targets. I'll bet there are plenty of examples of 'liberal' content being unfairly flagged as well.

Calanen
10-02-2008, 08:48 PM
It is democracy...

Not the rule of the best solution or truth, but the rule of the most numerous...

A Majority of people flag that video... it gets banned...

It doesnt have to be a majority, just a few. Its certainly not an absolute majority.

There also seemed to be a bias in favour of the most disgraceful jihadi videos, whereas anything anti-jihadi was pulled quickly as race hate.

Rakki
10-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Began happening long ago. Little Green Footballs reported "diggbats" burying anything they don't like (e.g. anything from LGF).

Ought Six
10-03-2008, 03:57 PM
SOG:
"Very worst case scenario yes."It is what would have very likely happened just that way had no action been taken. But you are correct in saying that it is off-topic, and a subject for another thread.

walford
10-03-2008, 04:02 PM
The article plainly states that this is the work of malicious individuals but then credits the entire left with trying to stifle free speech without drawing a clear line between the two. I take this for what it is - a flaw in the flagging system on some sites that individuals may be exploiting. There's no real conspiracy here outside the writer's own imagination and he provides no evidence of such. Also, the reporter has only identified popular 'conservative' clips and posts as targets. I'll bet there are plenty of examples of 'liberal' content being unfairly flagged as well.You'll have your fundamentalists trying to ban things, sure. But libertarians and those who support economic freedom do not have a track record of trying to shout down opposing speech.

This is an almost entirely Left-wing phenomenon. That is why lion's share of speech codes on campus for example are of the Left doing the suppressing. They are the McCarthyists today.