CANADIAN LIGHT UTILITY VEHICLE

[theGHOST]

Have ya'll seen the IITlis, what a crappy vehicle.

As I hope Canada began a project to replace it, soo they had the choice to pic the........

EAGLE

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/luv2-1.jpg


Bucher Guyer

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/luv2-2.jpg


G-WAGON

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/gwag-3.jpg


LAND ROVER

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/luv2-3.jpg

...........GUESS WUT THEY PICKED??????




THE FUKKING G-WAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, at least it a BenZ.............but wtf the EAGLE is what they should've picked, its even owned by GM CANADA.

What the ****......

[James]

Why is that bad?

[theGHOST]

it'll get blown away by n e thing, thats why

[James]

Are the others better? A Humvee will get blown away easily enough, too. What purpose is this new vehicle supposed to serve?

[theGHOST]

The G-WAgon has the same purpose as the Humvee. Humvee's are mine proof, well kinda.......if it drives over a mine the ppl inside will most likely. It went well in tests soo lets hope it goes good in combat.

[Knave]

No big surprise. Since the days of Pierre Trudeau and political-types being in charge of the Canadian Military, they've gone for a distinctly "European" approach - militaries that can be deployed quickly, as long as there's a paved highway between "here" and "there."

Most of Canada doesn't even have roads to speak of, much less paved ones.

Is at least part of it built in Canada, or at least Quebec? For a long while, substandard equipment was bought for the sole reason of being the only Canadian entrant into competitions.

Alas, the only argument in its favor is that most of Canada's UN peacekeeping contributions in recent years have been to nations with a viable road network - or at least the remains of one.... such as the Former Yugoslavia, Cyprus, the Golan.

As for being "blown away".... true, that's a good argument. Soldiers' safety shouldn't be compromised. Alas, vehicles of this type are not meant for a combat role - any more than a transport truck like the old 6WDs.

They're not fighting vehicles - they're merely for a supporting role, meant to get soldiers from one secured place to another. If you want to patrol a hostile or potentially-hostile area, you use an APC or a tank.

[dez000]

Hmmm, yes. To bad they didn't get an armored jeep... Soldiers saftey is very important even in Peacekeeping operations because **** can hit the fan quickly in such operations (like happend to in Rwanda during a peacekeeping missions where 10 Belgian Para-commandos lost their lives!)

In Belgium we will be replacing our ILTIS jeeps too, but we will buy some light jeeps (for transportation with low risc or patrols...) and armored jeeps which would serve in a combat role... At least thats what is being said :p

[REMOV]

the EAGLE is what they should've picked, its even owned by GM CANADA.Actually, MOWAG EAGLE (made in Switzerland) is based at HMMWV an Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle, so a little bit different category than Mercedes-Benz Gelaendewagen (or Wolf) i.e. Light Utility Vehicle.

[maw]

what are the mission requirements?
the eagle's are recon. check out the mowag site:
http://www.mowag.ch/Index.html
it's solid (has positive pressure for nbc), it's a hmmv conversion after all. but the price is prohibitive. if the canucks bought those for everyone they wouldn't have money left over for ammo or those red mountie jackets.
the wolf defender with the labbe uparmor (includes mine protection) would probably have made more sense (could be some anglo-phobia). the french have been coming up with some interesting light vehicles lately, that may have also been a worthwhile consideration.
the hmmv's size is it's only real liability imho.
remov, i'm not sure and i can't be bothered to look it up but i believe that after the whole stryker deal gm purchased a piece of mowag.

[ibstolidude]

ahhhh...

HMMWV are definatley not mine proof - the results of driving over an AT mine even assuming your hmmwv has the balistic blankets or kevlar sheeting (or is up-armored) it will toss the sucker and flip it all around.

We have lost soldiers to such AT blasts already in the balkans & a-stan.

[theGHOST]

REMOV, u think you know everything. I kno the Eagle is made in Switzerland but the ppl who make are owned by GM CANADA.

[Knave]

GM CANADA.

It was GM Defense that owned MOWAG. GM Defense is an American Company, not GM Canada.

Alas, it was sold less than a year ago to General Dynamics - another American company.

[martinexsquaddie]

Should have brought Saxon :lol:
we have some spare :P :P
cheap :o :o :o

[maw]

i saw an alvis shadow a while back and that was neat. very low profile, much lower than a defender.

[maw]

btw. remov, i for one welcome your participation here.

[usa320]

you cant expect much sense about things military from politicians who removed the words armed from "Canadian Armed Forces".

The Eagle is far better for the task... THe G-WAGON looks like an unarmored, slow jeep.

[theGHOST]

too bad it didnt look like this!!!

http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/g_light_truck_4_main.jpg

Lol

[Knave]

Everyone realizes that this is all subjective anyway.... since not one of us has claimed to have actually sat behind the wheel of any of these vehicles. We're simply going on looks alone in many of these posts......

[ibstolidude]

I've driven both the HMMWV and the a G-wagon (as it is called here) - the Gwagon windows did NOT lower which makes it useless to fight from - the HMMWV atleast has tiny square windows that lower.

[Royal]

The windows of the G-Wagen in use by the Dutch forces (the only one I've been in) certainly do lower...

I don't particularly like either; the HMMWV is too big for off-roading on wooded tracks and for a vehicle that size has no room inside. The G-Wagen is not great cross country (at least compared to LandRovers) or particularly comfortable (only a minor niggle, unless you're in it day in day out).

The armoured Land Rovers are too top heavy and roll easily, they're also under powered.

The Royal Engineers use Mamba too - great for the UXO/EOD threat, but they're hardly a low profile target - half as big again as a HMMWV.

[REMOV]

the Gwagon windows did NOT lower which makes it useless to fight from
http://members.fortunecity.de/flecktarn2/bilder-heer/bw-wolf_09.jpg
;)

[ibstolidude]

the armored ones (2 door though) that we had DID NOT have windows that would lower (they were guessing 2 inches thick)- you had to remove the doors - and then we ate too much dust.

more like
http://advancedvehiclesystems.com/images/gallery/MIL20.JPG

but only 2 doors and do to the thickness of the glass the windows would not lower (they did not have handles or swtiches buttons to do so any way; nor could anyone devise a way to make them pop out with out damaging the vehicle)

and it was alot uglier than this on the inside!!

[REMOV]

the armored ones (2 door though) that we had DID NOT have windows that would lower
Right, but you haven't marked that you've written about the armored ones before.
Like this one?
http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/pix/bw_lkw_05t_msa-001.jpg

[ibstolidude]

More similiar looking but it didn't have an open back. And the one pictured the armor didn't look very integrated.. the one we had it was difficult to tell from a distance... it didn't have the additional window brackets on the exterior.

more like this (only tan and green):
http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/pix/bw_lkw_0-5t_gl_armd-02a.jpg

[rob]

there were some stock hummers on the rubicon once. they made it past just fine which is not an easy task. many modified jeeps cant get even 20yards into the thing. the trail narrows at some points but you can go around. 16inches of clerance is not something to toy with and in a more open area nothing can beat it. the intrior space in the hummer is disapointing. but the hummer will work under the thoughest conditions and it would be my choice for any combat situation if a apc was unavalable. they prooved themselves time and time again.

the g wagon cant be half bad because it is being used by the usmc in numbers now. dont think you can go wrong with it.

the hummer is in a different class from the gwagon and landrover though being much bigger in size.