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fdt

06-10-2004, 03:10 PM

As taken from a edu site... to educate how the nazi propaganda truly was. Note the Sturmer, the SS related periodical which "specialty" was antisemitism.. what doesn't mean that other didn't have such material. In fact all German media were publishing the anti-semitic crap... During the war also allies were of course a subject of nazi mocking too.

As the current cartoons are quite easily understandable those need to come with descriptions translating the texts and giving the factual context of cartoons.

LUSTIGE BLATTER Cartoons

"Optimism: 'Victory is ours! The King has found another four-leaf clover!'"
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb41-06.jpg

"Behind the Curtains."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb42-05.jpg

"You have to trust him, Britannia. He only wants to protect you!"
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb42-18.jpg

"One eats the other and the Jew devours them all..."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb43-29.jpg

"Information from the USA."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb43-45.jpg

"Hey Bimbo, look at the funny factories they have here in Europe!"
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb44-34.jpg

"This cocktail doesn't seem to agree with him." Winston Churchill has just served a mixture of blood and tears
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/lb/lb42-17.jpg

STURMER Cartoons Streicher's propaganda magazine

The title is "Revenge." The Nazi who shoves the Jew over the cliff says: "Go where you wanted me to go, you evil spirit."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds3.jpg

Good God, let's try to find one corner of the earth where no one reads Der Stürmer.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds10.jpg

Legion of shame, Caption:
Ignorant, lured by gold,
They stand disgraced in Judah's fold.
Souls poisoned, blood infected,
Disaster broods in their wombs.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds16a.jpg

Loyalty, Caption:
The sword will not be sheathed.
The Stürmer stands as ever
In battle for the people and the Fatherland.
It fights the Jews becaue it loves the people.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds7.jpg

Unfruitful, Caption: They belong to the church, she belongs to Satan. Both are lost to the German race."
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds4.jpg

Jewish Slaves, Caption: They are enslaved and ruined by the Jews.
Their joy and very soul is taken from them.
They long for Germany, where work enobles,
Where everyone recognizes its worth.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds8.jpg

Why?, Caption: Why, for what purpose is the blood flowing?
Behind the scenes, the Jew grins.
That makes the answer clear:
They bleed for the Jews.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds9.jpg

BRENNESSEL

Caption: This was before Hitler took over Austria, and was unhappy with the Austrian government. Two Austrian police are beating a woman. The third policeman tells the Jewish reporter than he can't write about the incident. The reporter says that it is OK, since he is using it as a story about Nazi atrocities in Germany.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/slides/022034.jpg

"Then and Now." The cartoon shows a Jew stealing a farm before the Nazi takeover, but afterwards he is stopped by the law.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/slides/011634.jpg

Caption: "The Emigré Press." Numerous German journalists left Germany after 1933. Some founded German-language newspapers abroad. Here, a Jew is injecting lies, and the innocent reader is paying money for them.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/slides/112034.jpg

"While France Looks to Danger from Germany..." Marianne, the symbol for France, has all her guns pointing toward Germany while communists are tunneling in from underneath.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/slides/041734b.jpg

"Brennessel's Christmas Tree." Hanging from the tree are an emigre, a complainer, a too-comfortable conservative, a person who fakes enthusiasm for the Nazi cause and a reactionary, some of whom are clearly Jewish caricatures.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/slides2/122534.jpg

REMOV

06-10-2004, 03:21 PM

Ekhm... Militaryphotos.

MARINO

06-10-2004, 03:25 PM

:bash:

fdt

06-10-2004, 03:26 PM

Ekhm... Militaryphotos.Ever heard of psy-ops?

REMOV

06-10-2004, 03:40 PM

Ever heard of psy-ops?Yes. What's your point?

fdt

06-10-2004, 03:49 PM

Ever heard of psy-ops?Yes. What's your point?My point is that "military" is more meanings than it may look at first glance.

Pentagon Honors Army's Oldest Private

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/outreachpublic/images/bailey1.jpg

WASHINGTON, May 25, 2000 — For a full minute or so, the two fatigue-clad soldiers in brown boots stood at attention, ramrod straight, among the Pentagon brass.

But as soon as the cameras stopped flashing, the Army's most incorrigible troop, Pvt. Beetle Bailey, gleefully slumped back to his normal slack-shouldered stance.

Sgt. 1st Class Orville Snorkel, of course, maintained proper military decorum as befitting a senior NCO.

Beetle and Sarge will celebrate their 50th year of service this September. The Army recognized that service and their creator, Mort Walker, at the Pentagon May 24.

Just as he has for years in his comic strip, the 76-year-old cartoonist poked fun at the military throughout the award ceremony. "Boy, how times have changed," Walker told reporters and guests at the ceremony. "I was persona non grata around here for many, many years."

He recalled that the Pentagon once used his work as an example of "how not to do things."

"I think finally the brass has learned how to laugh at themselves a little bit," Walker said. "They're not kicking me out of 'The Stars and Stripes' anymore like they did a couple of times."

After receiving framed commemorative coins from the defense secretary, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the secretary of the Army and the Army Chief of Staff, Walker quipped, "I won't spend it all in one place."

Beetle Bailey, the comic strip, is seen by 200 million people every day in 1,800 newspapers around the world. It is based on friends and acquaintances Walker met during his Army days. Drafted into the Army in 1943, the cartoonist advanced from private to first lieutenant and served in a number of branches.

"I was drafted into the air corps," Walker said, "although I'd never been on an airplane before. They sent me to the signal corps, although I had no mechanical ability at allÉ. They sent me to the engineers although I'd never even taken any math in high school. They sent me to the infantry where I became the first scout of A Co., 97th Division. I was nearsighted."

After "scraping through" OCS, Walker said he went to an ordnance depot in Italy. There, the infantry officer was assigned as an intelligence and investigating officer.

"I'd never had any police experience; I was only a little over 20 years old. They said, 'He can also be fire chief and he can be in charge of the German prisoner of war camp. I ended up with 10,000 Germans. I couldn't speak German," he said.

Concluding his repertoire, Walker remarked, "I just hope that guy who made those assignments doesn't work for you anymore." On a more serious note, he added, "Little did I know that I was gathering research that would come in so valuable for me over the years. I've learned how to draw jeeps real well."

Army Secretary Louis Caldera praised Walker for his wit, charisma and mastery of his craft in creating Beetle, Snorkel and his dog, Otto, Brig. Gen. Amos Halftrack and the rest. "He has brought to us the lighter side of life in the military, poking gentle fun at the people, the regulations, the chow, the order and discipline of the military," he said. "Or in Beetle's case, the disorder and indiscipline.

As seen through Walker's eyes, Caldera said, soldiers are "human, warm, sometimes lonely, sometimes funny, and sometimes in awe of God's creation. The troops at Camp Swampy may not be the rock-hard fighting force we see in today's Army," he said, "but they're a lovable and unforgettable bunch who serve as a daily reminder of all the men and women who serve our nation in uniform."

Caldera recalled an all-time favorite where Beetle complains to Sarge about the chow, and Sarge admonishes Beetle to be more like the chaplain, who always finds something nice to say about others. "And in the background, the chaplain is telling the cook, 'Congratulations on the ketchup,'" he said.

Walker received the Secretary of the Army's Decoration for Distinguished Civilian Service, the Army's highest civilian honor, for boosting service members' morale for nearly 50 years. Caldera also recognized the cartoonist for his contributions to the National World War II Memorial Campaign. Walker recently helped publicize a Noncommissioned Officers Association World War II Memorial Honor Walk from Mobile, Ala., to Washington.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Theodore Stroup honored Walker on behalf of the Association of the U.S. Army. Retired Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps Dave Sommers honored the cartoonist on behalf of the Noncommissioned Officers Association. Retired Army Col. Bob Patrick saluted Walker's efforts supporting the National World War II Memorial Campaign.

Later, the Army honored Walker at a Twilight Tattoo that featured the 3rd U.S. Infantry's Old Guard and the U.S. Army Band, Pershing's Own. The Army's Chief of Public Affairs, Maj. Gen. John G. Meyer Jr., and the Military District of Washington hosted the tribute. Last year, the Army honored Walter Cronkite.
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Bombtrack

06-10-2004, 03:55 PM

Propaganda is a big part of war, like it or not. I don't see what you're getting upset about. These give you a good comparison for today's "Editorials" from the far-right, far-left, Al-Jazeera, etc.

REMOV

06-10-2004, 03:58 PM

My point is that "military" is more meanings than it may look at first glance.Naturally, but yours cartoons don't fit it at all. And yours forced explanations don't change this very simple fact.

fdt

06-10-2004, 04:00 PM

My point is that "military" is more meanings than it may look at first glance.Naturally, but yours cartoons don't fit it at all. And yours forced explanations don't change this very simple fact.So what are Your proposals?

mack pl

06-10-2004, 04:03 PM

American Patriot

06-10-2004, 04:08 PM

So many moderates around here :roll:

0#256

06-10-2004, 04:25 PM

Good pics, so twisted. :lol:

06-10-2004, 04:51 PM

These cartoons are so full of lies, they might as well be Nazi propaganda! :fork:

Oh wait... p-)

duck

06-10-2004, 04:51 PM

No reason to delete those cartoons, as twisted as they are.I think the point fdt is trying to make is the manipulative role of the mass media. Nothing wrong with that. Or does someone here think militaryphotos members are suddenly turning anti-semitic because of grotesque nazi drawings?

Roger Rabbit

06-10-2004, 05:22 PM

Interesting stuff, thanks for the post. I've saved them to my computer, could be useful next year(uni history student).

ZeroPositive

06-10-2004, 05:53 PM

I was going to say cool photos like I always do but might get the wrong impression of what I meant. The Nazi's made great use of Propaganda and in bashing jews and other nations, so such things cannot be ignored.

Interesting photos please do keep them, to ignore them would be wrong.

RavenW

06-10-2004, 06:42 PM

I think that any person with a good conscience must remove Nazi propaganda from the wall...

Especially, at the time when new generation grows unfamiliar with old desease.

These cartoons should not have any purpose except demonstration in History classroom (where I happen to teach), and must be presented to the class of students in context and some explanation must be given.

So far, I did not see any...

P.S. On personal note, it's ironic how the very people I consider to be anti-semitic and ignorant in their remarks, are enjoying the presence of such plain anti-Semitic cartoons on the MILITARY forum.

I guess person who never saw swastika on their own doors would never understand person, who did...

I call to people who respect their fellow forum participants to ban such anti-Semitic cartoons from forum, especially in the light that some of the forum members are here from Israel, suffered during Holocaust, have relatives parished in WWII and might be offended by old Nazi propaganda machine, those cartoons were by the way presented without a word of condemnation of its anti-Semitic nature by person who posted them.

RavenW

06-10-2004, 06:51 PM

And last, if it was taken from educational site, then it would be proper to bring this very educational material along with them to this site, or even better... instead of posting them without educational material about Holocaust just simply give a link to this anti-nazi site and people would be able to observe nazi propaganda along with some neccessary context, otherwise removed from explanatory lessons and material, this happens to be old plain anti-Semitic propaganda that might be so enjoyable for some forum participants from Middle East and Europe, especially, since there is only one main message of the cartoons - "Jews are poisoners of international well being. The fault for human miseray lies with them".

What can I say, I guess some continents never learn...

People who truelly want to look at them for 'educational' purposes, not for some sick amusement, usually tend to post consequences of nazi propaganda... like pictures of Jewish victims of Auswitz and graves of Babi Yar...

Sh'ma Yisrael! Am Israel Chai! Ana hnu Ahim! We never forget!

RavenW

06-10-2004, 07:00 PM

taken from a edu site... to educate how the nazi propaganda truly was.

where is the link?

so I can "educate how the nazi propaganda truly was".

And where is explanation why this cartoons evil and wrong?
In the time when Saudi Arabia pass anti-Jew laws banning Jews and dicsriminating people of Jewish descent you would expect some more from European 'allies'.

So far, I see only enjoyment and spread of nazi propaganda. (at the time when world starts to forget about evil)

Moledet

06-10-2004, 08:20 PM

What's your point in posting all these antisemitic, racist, anti American and anti Israeli cartoons (In generaly)? I just can't understand why someone will open three threads for this horrible cartoons.

This cartoons were posted in public places for a purpose, they shouldn't be posted in public places like this forum again.

RavenW

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

I think that some people just quietly enjoys these cartoons under the cover of 'educational' purpose.

It appeals to their inner thoughts that "it is a Jew's fault for situation in the Middle East and World Affairs".

What purpose in spreading Nazi propaganda without explaining its wrongs?

He did not post any pictures of Jewish victims of this nazi propaganda and what was the ultimate result of these cartoons.

Children subjected to medical experiments in Auschwitz.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086914340_holocaust.gif

Nazis murder Jews in Ukraine.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086914616_holocaust2.gif

Moledet

06-10-2004, 08:45 PM

ZeroPositive

06-10-2004, 09:29 PM

saying all that why post anything to do with genocide etc... all part of war and it is military organisations that go out and kill other people...
I have no quams about you posting the photos of Jews getting shot, stuff like that happened and we should know why it happened....

And these propaganda posters/newspapers had a large part in brain washing people into thinking like this.

or else people just think the germans did such stuff out of randomess...

fdt

06-11-2004, 04:35 AM

I think that some people just quietly enjoys these cartoons under the cover of 'educational' purpose.

It appeals to their inner thoughts that "it is a Jew's fault for situationa in the Middle East and World Affairs".

What purpose in spreading Nazi propaganda without explaining its wrongs?

He did not post any pictures of Jewish victims of this nazi propaganda and what was the ultimate result of these cartoons.
He shouldn't have posted Nazi propoganda at the first place. Because I still haven't heard about one person that learnt something right from twisted cartoons, It has no educational purpose.

I realy can't unserstand his motive to open three threads that are full of racist cartoons, there's no legitimate reason to post them.

....all this begun in discussion on Brazilian cartoons on Police violence.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17041

Here's the transcript of this thread postings:

American Patriot wrote:

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of this propaganda
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fdt wrote:

Tell me what is this propaganda about...? Except 2 cartoons refering to American gun access policy (and I've seen tons of American cartoons stronger than those)... others don't even mention US. The "Police" series is about Brazil (and maybe other South American countries)! Not every satire in this world is against America...
What do U know about propaganda...
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American Patriot wrote:

You don't see any American cartoons criticizing the Brazilian police so why do Brazilian cartoonists draw American anti-gun cartoons?
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fdt wrote:

US made cartoons about Brazilian Police? I think they may be somewhere few such cartoons... drawn by the American leftists or HR activists... but in general who in US cares about Brazilian Police? They don't make headlines in CNN unless they beat American tourist (what rather doesn't happen). It's not the question of attack and reciprocity... but simply a matter of public opinion's demand and cartoonists supply.
PS: As I am aware, not only Brazil is sceptic about US gun access policy.
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fdt wrote:

4U
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=319562#319562

And here are resources showing the true picture of the murderous racist nazi policy against Jews during WW2.

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/
http://d****erson.igc.org/holocaust.html
http://www.yadvashem.org.il/Odot/prog/index_before_change_table.asp

4 RavenW: Murdering the Jewish population of Europe, by nazis was WRONG... Nazi propaganda directed against Jews was WRONG!

Do You really think that by saying that all nazi propaganda and crimes against Jews were wrong, I am saying something that isn't OBVIOUS?

big_les

06-11-2004, 06:07 AM

I for one find them fascinating, and think that the act of posting these in and of itself is plenty enough context. Please don't try to censor history simply because you find it personally offensive. You should be able to look upon them in disgust but with pride that the countries of the world helped each other through that particularly dark time and that the ethnic groups concerned were liberated along with the invaded countries. Not relevant? They couldn't be more relevant. With the great number of global conflicts driven by ethnic hatred that still rage, we all need reminding of what can happen, in this case the bias of the media.

Anyone who sees these as validating their fascist PoV is a waste of space and (at least at the moment) a relic of history in their own right.

Crazyjack

06-11-2004, 06:35 AM

I can not see anything wrong in posting those pictures here.

Well it is propaganda, and the intension of it is, to blame the opponents as bad, ugly, silly....and the one side as the brave, good looking...

Nothing to get angry about! It is just propaganda!

Saranof

06-11-2004, 07:05 AM

WTF is some peoples problem with these pictures? If it had been cartoons humiliating arabs, few would react.
The point of these is just to show what nazi propaganda looked like, end of story.

dumdidum

06-11-2004, 07:34 AM

WTF is some peoples problem with these pictures? If it had been cartoons humiliating arabs, few would react.
Exactly, and what makes anti arab propaganda so much better or more righteous than these old nazi cartoons?

RavenW

06-11-2004, 03:51 PM

Isn't it sadly ironic that while people who lived in Europe and where discriminated ask this stupid pointless propaganda be removed... especially, in the light that educational and explanatory context was simply NOT presented along them, thus this topic could as well be from neo-nazi site...

and at the same time, who are the people who ask this nazi crap to stay on the site - European Jews? Israelis? No! It is guys from Germany, Sweden etc.

isn't that ironic?

But yet again this is the world we live in... Jews say: "please remove this, this offends us, there is a place for such cartoons, but it's in the classroom with special explanation and right context", and all these 'enlightened' Europeans say "nah! let them stay! aren't they useful and educational?... and hilarious, too"

could this happen in US of A? I doubt it, from what I observed, Americans are very sensitive about the issue of Holocaust, and even class of genocide was carefully discussed and layed out before we move it in the school curriculum... I guess it just question of someones... hm... someones sensetivity.

but Europeans? oh, it all right for them! so a few Jews would complain of offensiveness of these cartoons, who are they anyway?! and what this fuss is all about?

hmmmm............... It's just another sad news from Europe.
I rest my case.

P.s. I guess it falls into category of pointless explanation why some dumbass from Germany should shut up his 'philosophical ' mouth while an elderly Jew from Europe sits right next to him...

RavenW

06-11-2004, 04:10 PM

AirZone

06-11-2004, 04:27 PM

Heh...It's really funny/sad/imperceivable what propaganda can do to peoples mind.

big80a2

06-11-2004, 04:40 PM

don't like these cartoons. But they have education potential. The people of to day need to know what has happend to not repeat history again.....
wich in my eye's is quite going the same way....
often people say about Israel they must have learned of the things done to them when these people point fingers at Israel in current conflict....
But hey these people should really try to learn the "magic" of propaganda and the mix of comercial media these day's (wich choose what you will see. PS not allways bad, but lies can become facts).

So let these stuff stay and let people think about what propaganda does to a mind.... how could nazi Germany become so blind.... propaganda.

RavenW

06-11-2004, 04:45 PM

What good is propaganda without a lesson?

Seriously, I teach in High School and without right context, believe me, it's just a repeation of old brainwashing lies...

There are special classes online, as well as some good resources to learn about Holocaust and Nazi propaganda.

If one truely was interested to show the evilness of European propaganda, he should simply paste a link to the Holocaust Site, where these cartoons would be explained in context.

I think that any person with a good conscience must remove Nazi propaganda from the wall...

Especially, at the time when new generation grows unfamiliar with old desease.

These cartoons should not have any purpose except demonstration in History classroom, and must be presented to the class of students in context and some explanation must be given.

So far, I did not see any...

I guess person who never saw swastika on his own door would never understand person, who did.

Roger Rabbit

06-11-2004, 05:05 PM

I've been taught that propaganda rarely changes somebodies mind. It can only strengthen/weaken beliefs that are already held by the person.

dumdidum

06-11-2004, 05:09 PM

If it had been cartoons humiliating arabs, few would react.

what makes anti arab propaganda so much better or more righteous than these old nazi cartoons?

That is precisely what I expected to hear from Europeans.

Isn't it sweet? SO so much 'sensitivity' and 'concern' for poor poor Arabs, who by the way I bet you think are oppressed by bad bad nazi Jews, ah?

tsk-tsk-tsk... :roll:

And I mean, if that would be anti-Israeli propaganda or anti-semitic propaganda, then "Hey! We have a right for freedom of speech, you evil zionists! It is simply a matter of criticizing policy... like lets say, what policy of Israel do we criticize?! oh! I know, first and foremost, the policy of "right to Exist and live in its own land!".... "

It's funny how anti-Israeli and anti-American cartoons met with 'Huray!' and aplause by our European friends, but when it comes to anti-Islamists cartoons, they all become suddenly 'concern' and 'worry'... well, just like Kofi Annan himself.

Oh, boy... I guess some continents never learn.

I am not more concerned for any poor arabs than I am for (for example) americans and israelis. And I dont find anything funny about the anti-semitic cartoons posted in this thread. Infact I think they are outrageous, and the people responsible for the holocaust got away far to easy.

This may come as a shock to you Raven, I am an active anti-nazi. But I am also an anti-zionist (not as active thoug). Both nationsocialists and zionists are nationalists that only see to their own good, and dont give a sh*t about anbody else. Jews and israelis in general I dont have the slightest problem with, but the rightwing extremists make me feel sick.

And talking about continents that have something to learn, lets talk about the continent with the lowest educational level in the world. Yes your right its north america!

RavenW

06-11-2004, 05:10 PM

I've been taught that propaganda rarely changes somebodies mind.

Where were you taught this?

dumdidum

06-11-2004, 05:13 PM

I've been taught that propaganda rarely changes somebodies mind.

Where were you taught this?I would also like to know.

RavenW

06-11-2004, 05:18 PM

This may come as a shock to you Raven, I am an active anti-nazi. But I am also an anti-zionist (not as active thoug).

Oh, no, not at all! I can kinda picture you as (not active though) anti-zionist.
after all, what is zionism? A desire of Jews to live in the state of their own.

Both nationsocialists and zionists are nationalists that only see to their own good, and dont give a sh*t about anbody else.

oh, so much knoweledge about Zionism here.

Jews and israelis in general I dont have the slightest problem with

something tells me the opposite.

Do you have problems with Jews living in their home - Hebron?

And talking about continents that have something to learn, lets talk about the continent with the lowest educational level in the world. Yes your right its north america!

and look where it brought us.

Of course, I guess that's why North America is so unsuccessful in world's science, economy, medicine, technology as well as bussiness.

And of course, that's why it is still a great refuge for the people from all over the world, who just happened to have enough of "enlightened" Europe's experience.

This talk leads us nowhere.

Good-day to you, Sir!

Roger Rabbit

06-11-2004, 05:34 PM

I've been taught that propaganda rarely changes somebodies mind.

Where were you taught this?

Secondary school, 6th form whilst doing my A-levels. Studying Nazi Propaganda next year at uni so maybe i'll learn something differnet.

Anyway i'll explain further. Children of a young age can be indoctrinated into a certain belief. Now if you set children aside and you look at adults. The majority of adults have set beliefs and opinions by the time they reach adulthood and these are very difficult to change by propaganda. For instance if we look at this propaganda then we, as adults(i'm presuimg you are btw) don't believe a word of it to be true and it does not turn us into jew haters begging for another holocaust. Now if say someone who already harboured a dis-like of Jews was to see this propaganda then maybe it would make them even more anti-semitic.

dumdidum

06-11-2004, 05:41 PM

Do you have problems with Jews living in their home - Hebron?
No, why would I?

The problem with the zionists is that they think they are Gods choosen people and therefor have the right to behave as they please. Thats the same problem we are seeing with extremist muslims, they think they have God on their side, and ergo they have the right to do whatever they want. Problem is both sides are equally wrong. Religion is poison and it corrupts everything it touches.

oh, so much knoweledge about Zionism here.
So the zionist movement is not a nationalistic one? You do know a zionist isnt the samething as a semit?

Of course, I guess that's why North America is so unsuccessful in world's science, economy, medicine, technology as well as bussiness.I did not refer to the "sucess" (how ever one is to measure that) of the us. But the united states of america has the lowest educational level of all industrialised countries. A very well educated elite is what you have. And remeber uneducated does not equal stupid.

RavenW

06-11-2004, 07:50 PM

The problem with the zionists is that they think they are Gods choosen people and therefor have the right to behave as they please.

I'm not even gonna comment that. Kinda speaks for itself.

Religion is poison and it corrupts everything it touches.

I see.

No comments here either. Why didn't you start with the sentence like this right from the start, it would explain a lot...

So long, dumdidum!