RAH-66 COMANCHE

[theGHOST]

The new attack helicopter being developed by Boeing Sikorsky the COMANCHE.

The Comanche is a stealth attack helicopter.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/comanche/images/comanche4.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/comanche/images/comanche11.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/comanche/images/comanche10.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/comanche/images/comanche13.jpg

For more info about the Comanche goto...........

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/comanche/index.html

[RealUltimatePower]

The Commanche is slatted to take the place of the Kiowa. It is mainly a scout attack helicopter which will provide oversight for advancing Mechanized Infantry Divisions and to scout for the Longbow Apache squadrons.

Very nice aircraft!

[Merik]

Its original intent was not to be a replacement for not only the Kiowa but also the Apache. But some bunch of Apache lovers got into the program and change its purpose so the Apache can stay around. Its really sad whats going on with the Commanche program because by now some, I said some not all, of the technology in it is old. There are newer generations of the programs inside the helicopter and yet they everytime they try to utilize them for future purposes they get screwed because of thier money keeps getting cut for other military projects that are worthless.

[spier]

Why bother spending $40 million on making a helicopter stealthy when their primary enemy is Ali and his Ak47? The speed is of course a good thing, but stealth on a helicopter just isn't worth it.

[millhouse]

Well, if the Hulk can take 3 of them out no problem, then let's scrap the program entirely.... :cantbeli:

[He219]

Made me think of this picture.... Corporate Soponsorship & Subsidation for the program:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/comanche_corporate_helicopter.jpg

[theGHOST]

The MUSLISM ARE NOT THE ENEMY GET THAT OUT OF YOUR FUKKING MIND.

EXTREMIST, RADICALS, TERRORIST R our ENEMIES.

[spier]

The MUSLISM ARE NOT THE ENEMY GET THAT OUT OF YOUR FUKKING MIND.

EXTREMIST, RADICALS, TERRORIST R our ENEMIES.Lazy ****s that use "r" instead of "are", that is our enemies. At least they should be.

[Sundowner]

Why bother spending $40 million on making a helicopter stealthy when their primary enemy is Ali and his Ak47? The speed is of course a good thing, but stealth on a helicopter just isn't worth it.
it's a recon helicopter... its not made for fight - that's what Apache do...

[ibstolidude]

spier - thanks Mr. DARPA when will you be balancing the military budget for fiscal year 05?

[theGHOST]

The Comanche is a Recon/Attack helicopter. I gurantee, go look at that URL i put at top.

[Scrim]

During a recent class on aircraft identification (ACID) we were shown a sweet video of the Comanche. It was facing the camera and flew right to left in a straight line, no tilt, and opened up with every thing she had, the whole time facing the camera. Anyone seen this, or have a link to this video clip?

[theGHOST]

i have, on DIScovery Wings..........its cool

[tahoe]

the Ghost--since when does being named "Ali" make "the enemy" a "Muslim"? Who's stereotyping people now?

Back to the topic, the Comanche is very impressive...but I remember it being in development way back in the late 80's/early 90's, and it still hasn't hit active service. Like most weapons programs these days, this thing is taking forever to get in the air. That's why there are outdated systems in it.

The computer you are using to read this has many times more power than all the systems in any jet fighter now in service, I guarantee it.

[rob]

what i dont get is the military is spending so much on stealth when it normally flys at 20 so feet where radar wont work. they would need to be in a plane to pick it up on radar yet the us has control of the sky within hours of a campain.

[GazB]

"what i dont get is the military is spending so much on stealth when it normally flys at 20 so feet where radar wont work."

Most modern fighters have radars that can map ground targets and spot very low flying targets. In the past the real problem has been that their medium range missiles have been unable to hit targets that low. AMRAAM and the Russian equivelent the R-77 can hit hovering helos at ground level. (Short range missiles with heat seeking heads could be distracted by things on the ground like water or sun warmed rocks)... plus those same helos could fire back similar short range missiles in self defence... it always pays to hit the enemy from somewhere where he can't reach you... and if possible can't even see you.
If you want to fly into enemy airspace in a Helo you have to be able to hide from the enemies fighters. That is what a scout does. A stealth helo makes sense but would be very vulnerable. How stelathy it remains with a few AK calibre holes in it is the big question. Proper mission planning should make it a useful aircraft. Cockups like the Apache attack in Iraq will make it an expensive dog. (In the latter case the target needed more softening). An Apache with bullet holes in it can be patched up. A stealth airframe would probably need replacing as patches might ruin the stealth.
(I personally like the Apache... especially the D model with the MMW radar system. When it is used as designed as a defensive helo stopping an armoured attack I am sure it would be astoundingly good. In Desert Storm it did a good job. Perhaps the Iraqs read up a bit more on it before this war... and poor planning didn't help.

[StealthMode]

Hi everyone, I am a new member here but have been viewing this site everyday for months, I have learned much and enjoy the discussion. In addition to Scrim's post, I was watching a TV show on Discovery and a bike episode with Orange County Choppers was aired, they built a comanche themed bike. At the end they unvail the bike along with a shoot with the chopper, and it does that horizontal movement with no tilt, the movement was very cool. I think they run the episodes all the time on Discovery, the episodes was titled, "Comanche 3".

[theGHOST]

Why native tribes? Apache, Comanche etc.

[tahoe]

Chinook, Kiowa, Iroquois, etc etc...just the standard, the Army names its helicopters after Indian tribes, their tanks after generals, etc.

As for patching up battle damage, it can be done, using the proper techniques. Kind of like patching a fiberglass hulled boat (but harder of course). The F-117A has patch kits to repair damage.

[spier]

If you want to fly into enemy airspace in a Helo you have to be able to hide from the enemies fighters. That is what a scout does. A stealth helo makes sense but would be very vulnerable. How stelathy it remains with a few AK calibre holes in it is the big question. Proper mission planning should make it a useful aircraft. Cockups like the Apache attack in Iraq will make it an expensive dog. (In the latter case the target needed more softening). An Apache with bullet holes in it can be patched up. A stealth airframe would probably need replacing as patches might ruin the stealth.
(I personally like the Apache... especially the D model with the MMW radar system. When it is used as designed as a defensive helo stopping an armoured attack I am sure it would be astoundingly good. In Desert Storm it did a good job. Perhaps the Iraqs read up a bit more on it before this war... and poor planning didn't help.A lot has changed since the concept of the RAH-66 was introduced, most importantly, drones are used on a large scale. This nearly nullify the role of the RAH-66 as a scout, since a drone such as the Predator will be far superior to the RAH-66 in every way possible. It is also pretty much expendable, since it doesn't come with a $40 million price tag.

In the attack role the RAH-66 is also outmatched, simply by the brute force of the Apache and on par with the SuperCobra. It could possibly be better than the two when used as a strike craft because of its stealth and speed, but helicopters are primarily support weapons. If you want a strike craft, then you use a plane. Read up on Karbala for more details on why helicopters are not strike craft.(32 Apache's were sent out, 31 returned, all damaged, and you couldn't say the same thing about the enemy..)

[Merik]

Ahh yes the Karbala incident. The reason why they were al shot up is because they fly using tactics we should have got rid of 10 years ago. YOU DONT SIT THERE LIKE A MORON WAITING TO HIT A TARGET WHILE YOU YOURSELF ARE BEING SHOT AT. Hello!!!!!!!????? How stupid can you be. You dont see the Marine AH-1W's sitting there like a bunch of buffons with thier thumbs up thier asses. They are always moving because a moving object is harder to hit than a still object. I wish we could just go back to the Vietnam era tactics were it was actually safer for a attack helicopter to roll in and dive on a target. Or at least find your target and do a high speed approach and break off from the target as you fire. The Army Aviation is so messed up right now it really isnt funny. Its pathetic.

[martinexsquaddie]

how'd you stealth the bloody great rotor Blade?
Whose going to have fighters in the air once the USAF have come to play anyway?

[Uncle Chô]

The RAH-66 was primary designed as a scout helicopter and a target designator for the Apache. It was not supposed to engage ennemy target with weapons.

Then -as usual- someone at the Pentagone thought it would be a nice idea to beef up the machine, by adding an integrated Hellfire launcher, more avionics, more armor etc. Now, the airframe is too heavy for the current powerplant and rotor and despite a heavy engineering work, the Commanche is well behind the expectations. It is like the foot soldier, by adding more and more equipment, weapons, captors, body armor you end up with a high tech design that sounds good on the drawing board but is far from efficient on the battle field. The more annoying point is that the ARMY still does not know what to do with the chopper. Recon ? Attack recon ? Attack ? Close Air Support ? The bad results of the Apache in Iraq is also a negative factor for the program. To my opinion, one key factor is the size and agility of the helicopter. Just compare the Cobra and Apache's profile. If I were an ennemy soldier, I would find easier for me to engage the AH-64 than the AH-1.

This is a common problem with the Pentagone. Technology is fine unless it works on the battlefield. But the Cold War is over, Western armies are going to be engaged in low intensity conflicts, not Starwars battles.

Think of the A-10 Thunderbolt II. In 1990, it was considered by some top ranked USAF officers as useless compared to the more sophisticated F-15E and F-16J. 13 years later, this is one of the most potent aircraft over Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Trigger]

Think of the A-10 Thunderbolt II. In 1990, it was considered by some top ranked USAF officers as useless compared to the more sophisticated F-15E and F-16J. 13 years later, this is one of the most potent aircraft over Afghanistan and Iraq.
Amen to that.
Warthogs kick ass woot

[FallenAngel]

Right on Trigger....K.I.S.S. my friend. The A-10 should be around for a while :)

[rob]

they where considering replacing it with the f16 which is the worst idea i have ever heard. the a10 can take a pounding you can blow off half a wing and it would still be able to fly. it is a flying tank with a very mean gun.

[Mortimer]

the DOD said the A-10 will be around for another 10-15 years.

[ESCOBAR]

I love A-10's they can turn on a dime they remind me of good ole WW2 planes.

[FallenAngel]

they where considering replacing it with the f16 which is the worst idea i have ever heard. the a10 can take a pounding you can blow off half a wing and it would still be able to fly. it is a flying tank with a very mean gun.

indeed. Now the F16 itself is going to be replaced by the F-35 JSF. Haha. The A-10 will probably outlast THAT system too. :)

[cut]

maybe they'll decide they can put some brains into tha a10 now that they have a new love for it.

[Merik]

Its like the F-14, nothing will be able to replace the A-10 with its full potential.

[ESCOBAR]

Merik what do you mean like the F-14?

[Merik]

The F-14 is being replaced by the new F/A-18E and F Super Hornet. This thing will never be able to fill in the gap left behind when the F-14 is completly gone and will never be able to perform all of the same duties. Plus its range is almost half of what the F-14Ds is and its payload is far less. It can not take on 6 multiple targets at the same time at a range of beyond 100 miles. So that would basically be what I meant.

[Seiyuuki]

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f14-19.jpg

Growing up, all I wanted to do was become a naval aviator and hopefully be able to fly this wonderful aircraft...but now :petting: :petting: :( :(

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f15nasa.jpg

Oh well...hopefully years from now...I hope this thing is still flying and I get an opportunity to fly it with the Air Force.

...If not...then I guess I'll have to settle for...

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f22-07_300.jpg

All these highly improbable dreams.................

[millhouse]

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f14-19.jpg

Growing up, all I wanted to do was become a naval aviator and hopefully be able to fly this wonderful aircraft...but now :petting: :petting: :( :(

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f15nasa.jpg

Oh well...hopefully years from now...I hope this thing is still flying and I get an opportunity to fly it with the Air Force.

...If not...then I guess I'll have to settle for...

http://kovy.free.fr/image%201024/f22-07_300.jpg

All these highly improbable dreams.................

Any one who posts on this forum is not worth millions of dollars in training and definitely not worth flying a 20 million dollar fighter. Dream on...

[FallenAngel]

Any one who posts on this forum is not worth millions of dollars in training and definitely not worth flying a 20 million dollar fighter. Dream on...

Now see, this is the kind of **** that ruines this site and these forums. Who the f*ck are you to make a judgement like that? Are you an instructor at Anapolis? A Flight Instructor at Pensecola? Are you a a current/ex fighter pilot? Do you even know how to fly?

If not, then shut the hell up. If you want to belittle someone, belittle yourself you arrogant ass.

[Merik]

Any one who posts on this forum is not worth millions of dollars in training and definitely not worth flying a 20 million dollar fighter. Dream on...


FA is right, its assholes like you that ruin this forum and forum and for that matter this web site.

I know Hood just posted a set of forum rules and I read them and respect them because it is hard to keep people in line here but this just pisses me off too much.


WHAT ON GODS GREEN EARTH MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO TELL SEIYUUKI THAT HE CAN NOT LIVE UP TO HIS DREAMS? No you dont because you are a little bitty pip squeek ignorant jerkoff who either A) Isnt even old enough to hit puberty yet or B) A fat, lazy computer nerd who failed to actually get into the military and now spends his nights jacking off to comic books.

I have the same dreams as Seiyuuki, so are you going to tell me that because I visit a web site with lots of information about the military and a cool forum to learn even more makes me a loser and I can not be a pilot?F#*@ you, F#*@ you, F#*@ you, and last of all F#*@ you.

No one here, not even myself, has the right to say that to someone. Especially when that person is smart enough to actually set his goals and fullfill his dreams.

I know one damn thing though, if you are in the military or you will be in the military, if I ever meet you I punch the living s%*& out of you for making such a comment.

[millhouse]

All these highly improbable dreams.................


I agree with the improbability that Seiyuki talks about. I also have an opinion about where my tax money goes, and who flies those fancy machines that cost 20 million apiece. I'm glad people are saying the last fighter pilot may have already been born with the advent of remote control aircraft, so that the responsibility/opportunity can avoid incompetent guys/gals like you. Now get back to the TOPIC. :bash:

[ESCOBAR]

HERE IS THE GREATEST PLANE THAT WAS EVER CREATED........

At the time the Avro Arrow was the fastest plane in the world, it could reach MACH 2 in a flash. The plane was supposed to be used an interceptor/fighter for NORAD and the CAnadian AIR FORCE. When the Americans discovered that we were developing such an aircraft they became interested and offered to pay for us to develop more(BECUZ WE WERE THE BESTEST OF BUDDIES;)). Later near its completion the engineers had an idea to put a rocket in the belly pod, the Arrow would climb all the way up to the stratosphere turn over n open the belly pod and launch the rocket with a man operating it. Canadians had a great way to get to space and a dream to goto the moon too bad its not like this anymore. Because of Politics and the Media unfortunatly the Arrow was scrapped and what most Canadians find rediculous the Prime Minister ordered for everything to be SCrAPPED, blue prints and all the planes. As the destruction came to a near people who have worked at AVRO say that a Canadian pilot had been given orders by his superior to take the plane and hide but it was never proven..........

After all of this most of the developers of the ARROW had gone to work for NASA and Boeing. Many of the engineers had helped on the moon landing etc.

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/arrow.jpg


http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/arrow4.jpg


http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/arrow2.jpg

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/arrow9.jpg[/i]

[Seiyuuki]

HERE IS THE GREATEST PLANE THAT WAS EVER CREATED........

Nah...THIS IS THE GREATEST PLANE THAT WAS EVER CREATED!!!!!!!!!

http://shop.nifty.com/master/vol1/images/063010005.jpg

[Trigger]

Three things:

1. Seiyuuki: OUTSTANDING Tomcat pic. Bust your ass, do whatever it takes to make it. You Will.

2. millhouse: only a gross ignoramus (144 times worse than an ordinary ignoramus) (YOU) tries to bash someone by quoting their huge post (photos and all) instead of just verbally bashing them.

3. Thanks Tupac, I needed the laugh. rofl

[Royal]

I'm glad people are saying the last fighter pilot may have already been born with the advent of remote control aircraft, so that the responsibility/opportunity can avoid incompetent guys/gals like you.

Who the f**k are you to decide who is or isn't incompetent?

[usa320]

2. millhouse: only a gross ignoramus (144 times worse than an ordinary ignoramus) (YOU) tries to bash someone by quoting their huge post (photos and all) instead of just verbally bashing them.


rofl

[millhouse]

I'm glad people are saying the last fighter pilot may have already been born with the advent of remote control aircraft, so that the responsibility/opportunity can avoid incompetent guys/gals like you.

Who the f**k are you to decide who is or isn't incompetent?

Um... no comments from the peanut gallery (aka the UK). Thanks!

[Royal]

Um... no comments from the peanut gallery (aka the UK). Thanks!

Go back to mommy and quit talking s**t little boy.

[millhouse]

Um... no comments from the peanut gallery (aka the UK). Thanks!

Go back to mommy and quit talking s**t little boy.

You better hope we don't meet, son.

[Royal]

Bring it on dip****. :lol:

[Merik]

You better hope we don't meet, son.


Son??????? Son????? Are you actually implying that you are of a mature, adult age and refer to people of lesser birthdate than you to get your yappies off? Because if you are then I'm sitting here laughing my ass off since you dont have the balls to apologize for the most stupid, sadistic comment I have ever heard.

How dare you even come to an awesome web site such as this and even think of posting such a comment to belittle anothers hopes and dreams of being in the military. How dare you disrespect others that want to grow up and serve thier country. Especially one such as mine.

No, you better hope WE don't meet asshole because I will make you feel so much like the dumb f*@%er you are and make your life a living hell. If I don't go nuts and beat the shiznit out of you first.


By the way, you have no right to even have a picture of an actor portraying a real-life person that has a military background and defiantly of one who was injured in combat.

[millhouse]

You better hope we don't meet, son.


Son??????? Son????? Are you actually implying that you are of a mature, adult age and refer to people of lesser birthdate than you to get your yappies off? Because if you are then I'm sitting here laughing my ass off since you dont have the balls to apologize for the most stupid, sadistic comment I have ever heard.

How dare you even come to an awesome web site such as this and even think of posting such a comment to belittle anothers hopes and dreams of being in the military. How dare you disrespect others that want to grow up and serve thier country. Especially one such as mine.

No, you better hope WE don't meet asshole because I will make you feel so much like the dumb f*@%er you are and make your life a living hell. If I don't go nuts and beat the shiznit out of you first.


By the way, you have no right to even have a picture of an actor portraying a real-life person that has a military background and defiantly of one who was injured in combat.

You better we don't meet either. I can say whatever the hell I want, son. Fodder - another word for what you group Seiyuuki into. A fresh crop of naive men chasing dreams.... F-22 fighter pilots are not bored airsoft players posting messages on this site to get kicks out of playing their fantasy. Get a degree, get in shape, enlist, compete with the thousands of other recruits that have "dreams" of becoming fighter pilots. Be realistic and don't bother posting your "dream" on this board. Get out into the f'ing real world and do something about it. Oh, right this was a post about the COMMANCHE. Merik, right back at ya. :slap:

[gaz]

I don't post here a great deal, however, after reading Milhouses posts in this thread and the Black Hawk Down one I felt a sudden urge to say -

You're a moron.

Now, I'm not going to do that thing you see on internet boards where I threaten to beat you up if I ever meet you because lets face it 1)We'll never meet and 2) For all I know you could be twice my size and could kick the crap out of me. I'm just going to simply repeat - You're a moron.

If we ever did meet, and you beat me up, given time I'd recover, but it won't matter how much time you're ever given - you'll still be a moron.

The last thing I have to say is that I'm sorry you feel that people shouldn't chase their dreams, that they should think realistically. Using that philosophy, how does it feel to know that no matter how much you try - you'll always be a moron? That you have no chance of not ever being a moron because it's just "chasing dreams"?

I find that very sad (And moronic).

[Trigger]

Well said gaz.
millhouse, you're a typical little punk who thrives on negativity. To insult someone like Royal, a BTDT, is the height of stupidity, but that's to be expected from you.
The ACTOR portrayed in your sig is playing the role of Sgt. Dan Busch, Delta Force member, who later died from his wounds. You probably didn't take the time to find out about that, since your obviously too busy masturbating to BHD instead of learning how to interact with people in the real world. May you have a long and bitter life. :slap:
p.s. your sig should say Carpe Rectum

[Merik]

Gaz is right, I shouldnt be threating people on a forum, a web site at that. Its pathetic and yet I did it. Im not an airsoft player and I dont get bored and come here to post messages. I actually joined the Army Reserves about a month ago, plus I have happily been the son of a now retired Army Lt.Col for 18 years now so do not think I know nothing about the military.

And if anyone wants to really be a pilot, you dont enlist moron, you go through college and ROTC to get a commision once you get out as a Lt. Or OCS works too.

[USAF G]

Wow, these threads can go south at the drop of a hat. :( MY two cents, start ignoring the kid with the BHD picture ASAP. If he gets no reaction maybe he'll go over to specialtactics.com and start telling aspiring PJs and CCTs whether or not they're fit for duty. :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

A fresh crop of naive men chasing dreams.... F-22 fighter pilots are not bored airsoft players posting messages on this site to get kicks out of playing their fantasy. Get a degree, get in shape, enlist, compete with the thousands of other recruits that have "dreams" of becoming fighter pilots. Be realistic and don't bother posting your "dream" on this board. Get out into the f'ing real world and do something about it. Oh, right this was a post about the COMMANCHE. Merik, right back at ya. :slap:

Improbable, not impossible.

So...so far...everyone in this thread are bored airsoft players who need a kicks out of playing their fantasy? Why do you post here if guys and gals like us are incompetent? Surely, whatever knowledge or what we have to say have no value what so ever. So, what would be the point of getting back to the topic, what would you gain from a thread with postings from a bunch of imcompetents?

[XASA]

Wow, these threads can go south at the drop of a hat. :( MY two cents, start ignoring the kid with the BHD picture ASAP. If he gets no reaction maybe he'll go over to specialtactics.com and start telling aspiring PJs and CCTs whether or not they're fit for duty. :roll:

Roger that USAF G woot

[ESCOBAR]

THe guy who played the DELTA guy was also in Kindergarden Cop :P

[millhouse]

A fresh crop of naive men chasing dreams.... F-22 fighter pilots are not bored airsoft players posting messages on this site to get kicks out of playing their fantasy. Get a degree, get in shape, enlist, compete with the thousands of other recruits that have "dreams" of becoming fighter pilots. Be realistic and don't bother posting your "dream" on this board. Get out into the f'ing real world and do something about it. Oh, right this was a post about the COMMANCHE. Merik, right back at ya. :slap:

Improbable, not impossible.

So...so far...everyone in this thread are bored airsoft players who need a kicks out of playing their fantasy? Why do you post here if guys and gals like us are incompetent? Surely, whatever knowledge or what we have to say have no value what so ever. So, what would be the point of getting back to the topic, what would you gain from a thread with postings from a bunch of imcompetents?

There's a fine line between a trivia master and a soldier, Seyuuki. There are real life soldiers on this site, and I do value the information that they provide. But, when they challenge the way I think, I take the perspective that I have, and bounce it off theirs, and vice versa. That is called learning something through argument. I've read Blackhawk Down and I am aware of the character and real-life soldier, what difference does it make whether I post it or not? I respect the men who fought in that battle, and may the deceased rest in peace. If you think me posting this capture is sacrilege, then stand outside Blockbuster with a picket sign showing your disgust. I'm sure everyone will agree with you... As for my opinion on the soldiers of today, I am very critical, but that does not mean that I am required to BE a soldier in order to express my opinions. I hold very high expectations of the US military, because it is second to none.

[Seiyuuki]

As for my opinion on the soldiers of today, I am very critical, but that does not mean that I am required to BE a soldier in order to express my opinions. I hold very high expectations of the US military, because it is second to none.

Are you required to BE a soldier in order to deem if someone is competent for military service or not? Perhaps yes...perhaps not...Idk...Does having a high expectations of the US military establish one's credibility in seeing who is competent or not for military service?

Not all that join the US military are wise men and women, some aren't so bright, some are clumsy, some don't have a perfect background. Most aren't worth trusting with a "$20 million piece of equipment," but the beauty of it and what make the US military "second to none" is that they can take almost anyone from all walk of life, instill some discipline in them and turn them into a successful soldier who are SUPERB at performing his or her duty...You look at a kid growing up in a tough neighborhood, who may have a few criminal records here and there because he was in a gang...(and he happen to post in this forum hoping to join the military some day to escape poverty) but seeing that he post in this forum, as a taxpayer, you express an opinion that he's incompetent and couldn't be trust with a "$20 million piece of equipment." Then one day, the kid join JROTC...he either then go to college and continue in ROTC or straight to the Air Force, work hard, go to flight school, study hard, work hard then one day...he's flying an F-22...Too bad, this isn't my life story, but I'm sure success story such at this is not a rarity in the US military.

[millhouse]

As for my opinion on the soldiers of today, I am very critical, but that does not mean that I am required to BE a soldier in order to express my opinions. I hold very high expectations of the US military, because it is second to none.

Are you required to BE a soldier in order to deem if someone is competent for military service or not? Perhaps yes...perhaps not...Idk...Does having a high expectations of the US military establish one's credibility in seeing who is competent or not for military service?

Not all that join the US military are wise men and women, some aren't so bright, some are clumsy, some don't have a perfect background. Most aren't worth trusting with a "$20 million piece of equipment," but the beauty of it and what make the US military "second to none" is that they can take almost anyone from all walk of life, instill some discipline in them and turn them into a successful soldier who are SUPERB at performing his or her duty...You look at a kid growing up in a tough neighborhood, who may have a few criminal records here and there because he was in a gang...(and he happen to post in this forum hoping to join the military some day to escape poverty) but seeing that he post in this forum, as a taxpayer, you express an opinion that he's incompetent and couldn't be trust with a "$20 million piece of equipment." Then one day, the kid join JROTC...he either then go to college and continue in ROTC or straight to the Air Force, work hard, go to flight school, study hard, work hard then one day...he's flying an F-22...Too bad, this isn't my life story, but I'm sure success story such at this is not a rarity in the US military.

Seyuuki, my expectations do not include shooting down people's dreams, just trying to point out the competitive nature of becoming a fighter pilot. Anyone who can do the job deserves the job, period. We are second to none because we can adapt, and fight individually with zeal for our country. I applaud anyone who has a success story such the scenario you presented. I'm just giving people a hard time.

[Merik]

Shooting down people's dreams is what you said and that is how everyone percieved it. Just because aspiring people such as Seiyuuki and myself come to this forum does not mean we are not competent enough to fly a 20 million dollar piece of equipment. You can not make that judgement based on the fact that we come here. In fact you can not base that judgement at all because you dont know us and you have no right too.

[ScoutRanger]

millhouse is just blowing ass, try not to let him get in the way. Does your mom know you're up this late? Here's your coat and there's the door. Try not to step on your **** on the way out sweetie.

[10thvet]

It seems that these threads go south when millhouse get in here and writes crap that he knows nothing about..The military.. It seems he likes soldiers pictures but cant stand the soldiers that the pics are taken of..

Millhouse is a MORON and has proven it over and over and over again... Just look at the the Black hawk down thread he started... and now he is bashing ppl dreams... once again proving he is a MORON with internet muscle.

and just for the record ... You still havent posted any answers to my question... Tell the group a little about yourself, starting with what grade school your in..

Sorry had to edit part of this out, I had someone confused with another idiot

[millhouse]

If you people keep threatening me and feeding me these insults, its only going to give me more incentive to stir discussions up. I am trying to rock the boat in order to gauge your reactions. By doing this I learn more and more about how a soldier's mind recoils from "other ways of thinking." Just rock the boat, rock the boat, rock the boat! p-)

[Merik]

Dude you would know nothing about a soldiers mind to begin with.

[millhouse]

Dude you would know nothing about a soldiers mind to begin with.

You dont either, youre a NOVICE.

[Merik]

I know that I just joined the Reserves and sure as hell know a lot more than you. But I also know that Im not gonna get into another pissing contest with you, of all people, because its pointless.

[ScoutRanger]

You want me to pack you a lunch too? Go on boy, run along...

[Seiyuuki]

I know that I just joined the Reserves and sure as hell know a lot more than you. But I also know that Im not gonna get into another pissing contest with you, of all people, because its pointless.

If you're in the Reserves and you're a "NOVICE".........then millhouse must be................DELTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl That must be a picture of him in his signature...wait... :cantbeli: that's just from Black Hawk Down. Darn, thought I almost had it there for a moment.

C'mon millhouse, if you're the better man than the rest of us, just exemplify it and just let this thread go...and it will die...

[ScoutRanger]

Hey look, Dillhouse.... We are trying to help you here, you are learning people skills right here. Apply them. Suck it up and shut it up.

[Beowulf]

I've noticed a trend when poser wannabe's come in here and start posting crap, they get called on it by someone who knows what they're talking about and then get really offensive, and try to question the BTDT's authenticity, then they go...oh I'm doing it on purpose to gauge your reaction, or show how you're a fascist who wants to cut off my freedom of speech. etc. etc. etc.

Listen if you have somehting good to contribute then do it, otherwise shut your cake hole. If you make a mistake or say something stupid, and someone corrects you then just drive on. If you're correcting someone who hasn't proven themselves to be a social retard then be cool about it, if they have proven themselves to be an oxygen thief then just ignore them b/c you can't change it.

All Best
b

[Haiw]

*krap*
*krap*
*krap*
*krap*
*krap
AND DONT U DARE CORRECT ME!
;)

[millhouse]

I've noticed a trend when poser wannabe's come in here and start posting crap, they get called on it by someone who knows what they're talking about and then get really offensive, and try to question the BTDT's authenticity, then they go...oh I'm doing it on purpose to gauge your reaction, or show how you're a fascist who wants to cut off my freedom of speech. etc. etc. etc.

Listen if you have somehting good to contribute then do it, otherwise shut your cake hole. If you make a mistake or say something stupid, and someone corrects you then just drive on. If you're correcting someone who hasn't proven themselves to be a social retard then be cool about it, if they have proven themselves to be an oxygen thief then just ignore them b/c you can't change it.

All Best
b

Student of philosophy.... go figure!

:cantbeli:

[martinexsquaddie]

should'nt you get back to springfield Bart must be missing you
you 4 eyed freak

[millhouse]

should'nt you get back to springfield Bart must be missing you
you 4 eyed freak


Man that's original. Now you get a cookie. woot

[Beowulf]

Student of philosophy.... go figure!

......right, yeah that's what my profile says, In police work we call that a CLUE, great job!

I mentioned that I noticed a trend concerning people that post here. Did you actually have anything to say about that?

Or were you just going to quote my post and make a smartassed comment without really saying anything of substance, thus confirming that, yes, you are an idiot.

This forum is for posting military photos and discussing them. The other forum is for general discussion usually geared towards military photos, the military,politics/foreign policy, and of course humor (alright alright and MilSim also) :D

If you don't have anything to post here besides derisive comments and your bull**** "social experiment" Then you really should just leave.

Post something substantive or pertinent to the topic or shut your cake hole
All best,
beowulf

[millhouse]

Student of philosophy.... go figure!

......right, yeah that's what my profile says, In police work we call that a CLUE, great job!

I mentioned that I noticed a trend concerning people that post here. Did you actually have anything to say about that?

Or were you just going to quote my post and make a smartassed comment without really saying anything of substance, thus confirming that, yes, you are an idiot.

This forum is for posting military photos and discussing them. The other forum is for general discussion usually geared towards military photos, the military,politics/foreign policy, and of course humor (alright alright and MilSim also) :D

If you don't have anything to post here besides derisive comments and your bull**** "social experiment" Then you really should just leave.

Post something substantive or pertinent to the topic or shut your cake hole
All best,
beowulf

Being a student of philosophy, you must have published something or written SOME sort of essay, would you mind sending a link? I would like to read it.

BTW - never see Beowulf live, it sucks.

[Beowulf]

yeah, I've written a lot of papers on various subjects concerning philosophy. I've never submitted anyhting for publication as that is usually done in the latter years of grad school. Why aren't I in grad school yet? b/c I spent too much time being forward deployed with the military.

If you actually want to discuss philosophy then PM me, If you want to practice your bull**** sophistry in an attempt to seem intelligent on a military message board then don't waste my time.

[ibstolidude]

BEO -
why make intelligent remarks - it will get you in the same place a smart-ass and childish quips will..?

remember a fanatic sticks to his guns...
loaded or not.

[10thvet]

millhouse :
what you do is not called a discussion, it'called trolling.

You want to figure out a soldiers mind. Well heres one thing that you dont have to figure out...

We do not like to second guessed by faceless punks on the computer(with internet mucles). It pisses us off.. You are the one threating ppl, not the soldiers so what does that say about your mind.

I will be glad when school starts again



thats a nice picture of a sniper you have there. I bet it's aiming at women and kids

[Sand Man]

Sorry for reviving this but there wasn't much discussion after all the flaming...

Just wanted to know how the Comanche program is coming along. Are there any being deployed to units already?

Thanks.

[Resurrection]

The reason why you haven't been hearing anything about it is because the project was killed in 2004.

[futurepilot2004]

Sorry for reviving this but there wasn't much discussion after all the flaming...

Just wanted to know how the Comanche program is coming along. Are there any being deployed to units already?

Thanks.

Its been cancelled.

[Hiroshima]

Mostly because they were in Model F or G without a Model A fielded....

[SAPPEROIF]

Yup. Was decided there was no need for a stealth helicopter and such so funds have been redirected for improving and building on what we have currently in inventory and the outlook of the ARH coming into service.

[Sand Man]

The reason why you haven't been hearing anything about it is because the project was killed in 2004.

Damn, what a waste. Could it have been reconfigured to do anything else?


Speculative, I know. :(