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LaoSexMachine
10-06-2008, 06:40 PM
Lehman Brothers Boss Defends $484 Million in Salary, Bonus

Richard Fuld Becomes Poster Boy for Wall Street Greed at Heated Congressional Hearing

By BRIAN ROSS and ALICE GOMSTYN

October 6, 2008—

In the first Congressional hearing into the financial crisis (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5963790), the former CEO of the bankrupt Lehman Brothers, Richard Fuld (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=5951669&page=1), became the poster boy for Wall Street greed today as he defended the $484 million he received (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5963581) in salary, bonuses and stock options since 2000.

"Is that fair?" asked committee chairman Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) who pointed out Fuld owns a mansion in Greenwich, Connecticut, an ocean front estate on Jupiter Island, Florida, a ski chalet in Idaho and a Manhattan apartment.

"If you haven't discovered your role, you're the villain today," said Rep. John Mica (R-FL).

Fuld said given the collapse of Lehman Brothers (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/PersonalFinance/story?id=5805783) and its now worthless stock, his actual holdings were closer to $350 million.

"That's still a lot of money," he told the hearing.

Fuld said he took "full responsibility" for the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and "felt horrible" about it.

But Fuld said he has yet to understand why the federal government helped to bail out the AIG (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5827255) insurance company and other investment banking firms, but did not do so a few days earlier to save Lehman Brothers.

"Until the day they put me in the ground, I will wonder," Fuld told the Congressional panel, seeming to seethe with anger.

"This is a pain that will stay with me the rest of my life."

In his opening remarks, Waxman lambasted both Fuld and Lehman.

Internal documents obtained by the committee, Waxman said, "portray a company in which there was no accountability for failure."
Waxman cited an e-mail exchange among top Lehman executives. After someone sent an e-mail suggesting that Lehman's top management give up their bonuses, both Fuld and George H. Walker, a member of Lehman's executive committee and a cousin of President Bush, sent e-mails disagreeing with the suggestion.
Walker, according to Waxman, replied by writing, "Sorry team. I'm not sure what's in the water at 605 Third Avenue today. & I'm embarrassed and I apologize."
Waxman said that Fuld "mocked" the suggestion by adding, "Don't worry  they are only people who think about their own pockets."
Waxman also cited a request submitted to Lehman's compensation committee four days before the firm filed for bankruptcy. The request, he said, recommended that the board give three departing executives over $20 million in "special payments."
"In other words, even as Mr. Fuld was pleading with Secretary Paulson for a federal rescue, Lehman continued to squander millions on executive compensation," Waxman said.

Richard Fuld Testifies Before Congress

Despite warnings that "liquidity can disappear quite fast," Fuld "depleted Lehman's capital reserves by over $10 billion through year-end bonuses, stock buybacks, and dividend payments," Waxman said.
Others at the hearing voiced their own concerns about compensation at Lehman.
Nell Minow, the editor of the research firm, The Corporate Library, highlighted Fuld's compensation, which exceeded $70 million last year.
"I think it is fair to say by any standard of measurement that this pay plan is as uncorrelated to performance as it is possible to be," she said.
Minow also found fault with Lehman's corporate board. The Corporate Library grades the performance of corporate boards and last month, Minow said, the firm downgraded Lehman's board to an "F."
"In this case, the board was too old, had served too long, was too out of touch with massive changes in the industry, had too little of their own net worth at risk, and was too compromised for rigorous independent oversight," she said.
Prior to Fuld's testimony, Minow and several other experts testified before the committee on Lehman's bankruptcy and today's financial turmoil.
Dr. Luigi Zingales, a professor of finance at the University of Chicago, said that Lehman's demise was a result of its aggressive use of leverage, or debt to finance investments, "in the context of a major financial crisis."
It made Lehman especially vulnerable to insolvency, Zingales said.
"Lehman did not find itself in that situation by accident; it was the unlucky draw of a consciously-made gamble," he said.
Robert Wescott, the president of the economic analysis and public policy research firm Keybridge Research LLC, said that the root of the financial crisis, overall lay in "easy credit."
Variable rate mortgages with low initial interest rates "gave many families an inflated sense of their capacity to afford housing," Wescott said. As a result, he said, housing prices began rising as high as 30 percent per year and "a housing frenzy developed."

Debate of Mortgage Regulation

"Many Americans developed unrealistic expectations and assumed that housing prices could only go up," he said.
Meanwhile, the securitization of mortgages aggravated the situation  it allowed mortgage originators to make risky loans without concerns about the consequences.
"Since the mortgage originator was no longer going to hold the mortgage to maturity, but rather was going to immediately sell it to a securities firm and collect its fee up front, it did not have a strong incentive to perform due diligence on the loan," Westcott said.
Peter J. Wallison, a fellow in financial policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, said that the lack of regulation of government-sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played a major role in the crisis. Congress, he said, resisted reforming the regulation of the two companies "until it was too late."
Wallison also cited a newspaper article that showed "the SEC's failure to devote sufficient resources to the regulation of the major investment banking firms."
Weak regulation, Wallison said, "can be worse than none."
Near the end of the hearing, after some two hours of questioning, Fuld stressed his personal feelings about Lehman's bankruptcy.

"My employees, my shareholders, creditors, clients have taken a huge amount of pain and, again, not that everybody on this committee cares about this, but I wake up every single night thinking what I could I have done differently," he said.

"I have searched myself every single night, and I come back to at the time ... I made those decisions, I made those decisions with the information that I had ... I can look right at you and say this is a pain that will stay with me for the rest of my life, regardless of what comes out of this committee."

Waxman closed the hearing noting that he was dissatisfied with Fuld's testimony.

"You took responsibility for the decisions you made in retrospect, you think you should have done some things different," he said, "but you don't seem to acknowledge that you did anything wrong."



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Calanen
10-06-2008, 06:45 PM
Everyone hates bankers because they earn a lot of money.

But admit it - you are just sore because that money is not in your bank account....

Everyone loves to say how morally principalled they are blah blah - but I've seen the way people fight tooth and nail for even a few hundred dollars. For millions, or 100s of millions - they would do anything.

Macs.
10-06-2008, 06:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/H-Jm2ILQxTE

Yeah, well he really got caught between the fronts. And you see, he really feels bad, as he said.

He now is making his last dream come true, building a gigantic racetrack out of 100 dollar bills and racing on it with 100 Ferraris.

BTW: Why does he has to go infront of Congress ? They didn't bail him out and AFAIK Lehman was a complete private "bank" ?

Laworkerbee
10-06-2008, 07:20 PM
Everyone loves to say how morally principalled they are blah blah - but I've seen the way people fight tooth and nail for even a few hundred dollars. For millions, or 100s of millions - they would do anything.

I don't see the need for any man to have so much money and think it is destabilizing for society and demoralizing for employee's.

DanteXavier
10-06-2008, 09:30 PM
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l314/Macs3000/RichardFuld-1.jpg

I always thought that this picture of fuld was interesting. As another user once said about it: "he managed to cram regal, imperious and condescenscion into one smile".

And he really did, to.

deagle
10-06-2008, 09:36 PM
ahh, golden parachutes, aint capitalism good ?? merit pay is better.

Flagg
10-06-2008, 09:56 PM
Everyone hates bankers because they earn a lot of money.

But admit it - you are just sore because that money is not in your bank account....

Everyone loves to say how morally principalled they are blah blah - but I've seen the way people fight tooth and nail for even a few hundred dollars. For millions, or 100s of millions - they would do anything.

Well...there is THAT.....and inflation.

Afterall, what with inflation raging like a bad case of herpes these past few years a $1 million dollars doesn't go as far as it used to.

It now takes $484 of them to rent the same number of coked up freaky hookers every night to unwind after selling more poisoned paper with cool sounding names buyers never questioned out of fear of looking stupid.

Flagg
10-06-2008, 10:00 PM
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l314/Macs3000/RichardFuld-1.jpg

I always thought that this picture of fuld was interesting. As another user once said about it: "he managed to cram regal, imperious and condescenscion into one smile".

And he really did, to.

No you've got it wrong......

That's his "I banged 12 coked up freaky hookers last night and I'm going to keep doing it every night until I get killed driving the global financial system into a brick wall at 100mph" face

sinophile
10-06-2008, 10:19 PM
I don't see the need for any man to have so much money and think it is destabilizing for society and demoralizing for employee's.

Funny, because the folks who run many of Fortune's Best Companies to work for realize similar compensation. Companies like: Google, Starbucks, Cisco, Qualcomm, etc.

And how destabilizing is it when the Gates foundation pours money into society building causes (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx), or when Warren Buffet is able to bail some of these companies out of their mismanaged mess.

Perhaps you'd prefer a more equal distribution of wealth?
http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Farm-George-Orwell/dp/1854597892/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223345928&sr=8-1

Anyway, a guy with his ego is experiencing much more pain from the embarrassment of it all then any loss of riches would cause. The stress and embarrassment killed Ken Lay of Enron as I recall. This guy's life as he used to know it is over.

INAT
10-06-2008, 10:31 PM
Everyone hates bankers because they earn a lot of money.

But admit it - you are just sore because that money is not in your bank account....

Everyone loves to say how morally principalled they are blah blah - but I've seen the way people fight tooth and nail for even a few hundred dollars. For millions, or 100s of millions - they would do anything.




Yes Cal you are right 100%.But the issue is how this money was made.

People lost pensions savings jobs etc and this ****sucker has the nerve to pretend to feel sorry? If he feels that bad how about letting go of 100 million. Maybe give it to people who were affected by his company diving.
He is the personification of a greedy banker. He gained while millions lost.


Morally what is the difference between him and a guy that goes into a bank with a gun for the money? The only difference is the guy with the gun is going to get less money. I cannot speak with any moral authority nor do I pretend to but this guy robbed people blind and sorry does not cut it. And now we the people have to bail these greedy miserable leeches
out? This is inexcusable and criminal. What happened to accountability?



I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore! Do I sound like Alex Jones yet?

Kilgor
10-06-2008, 10:34 PM
Yes Cal you are right 100%.But the issue is how this money was made.

People lost pensions savings jobs etc and this ****sucker has the nerve to pretend to feel sorry? If he feels that bad how about letting go of 100 million. Maybe give it to people who were affected by his company diving.
He is the personification of a greedy banker. He gained while millions lost.


Morally what is the difference between him and a guy that goes into a bank with a gun for the money? The only difference is the guy with the gun is going to get less money. I cannot speak with any moral authority nor do I pretend to but this guy robbed people blind and sorry does not cut it. And now we the people have to bail these greedy miserable leeches
out? This is inexcusable and criminal. What happened to accountability?


The difference this guy does sleep well at night (if he doesnt snort coke offer a hookers clam) where as the criminal doesn't.

Calanen
10-06-2008, 10:51 PM
I don't see the need for any man to have so much money and think it is destabilizing for society and demoralizing for employee's.

Unless of course, it was you..and you know it - we run an honesty program here dude.

Calanen
10-06-2008, 10:55 PM
Yes Cal you are right 100%.But the issue is how this money was made.

People lost pensions savings jobs etc and this ****sucker has the nerve to pretend to feel sorry? If he feels that bad how about letting go of 100 million. Maybe give it to people who were affected by his company diving.
He is the personification of a greedy banker. He gained while millions lost.

Yep. But thats the story with every rich person. Someone else's loss is their gain. The money has to come from somewhere. Some people are happier about paying for it (like MS Windows) some people less so (like petroleum) and some will even pay to kill themselves (tobacco). But the money is not magically generated - it comes out of people's pockets, whether willingly or unwillingly.



Morally what is the difference between him and a guy that goes into a bank with a gun for the money? The only difference is the guy with the gun is going to get less money. I cannot speak with any moral authority nor do I pretend to but this guy robbed people blind and sorry does not cut it. And now we the people have to bail these greedy miserable leeches
out? This is inexcusable and criminal. What happened to accountability?

The problem, is if you let the system fall over, then everyone suffers and mostly the poor. They are not bailing the individuals, out, just the system. I'm not sure that 'robbed people blind'. I think it was more that they made risky investment decisions and things went off the rails. And *everyone* almost got into the sub-prime market.

As for accountability, you will have a lot of commissions of inquiry, Senate Committees, and public hearings - where a few bankers will do 1 year or two in Club Fed. And then business will carry on as usual.



I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore! Do I sound like Alex Jones yet?



Why are you mad? Are you mad at other things, and this is just a focal point for your anger? Most of the time people look for things to be angry about - but the main reason they are angry is staring themselves right in the mirror.

Ledanek
10-06-2008, 11:36 PM
just playing devil's advocate:
If Lehman was included in the bailout, would that reflect to the taxpayers, that the POTUS is saving his cousin?

Also if the bailout saves the system, would POTUS cousin get less for his retirement/golden parachute. In a sense, would the top people gain more vs receiving the bailout?

discuss:

INAT
10-07-2008, 12:10 AM
Yep. But thats the story with every rich person. Someone else's loss is their gain. The money has to come from somewhere. Some people are happier about paying for it (like MS Windows) some people less so (like petroleum) and some will even pay to kill themselves (tobacco). But the money is not magically generated - it comes out of people's pockets, whether willingly or unwillingly.


The problem, is if you let the system fall over, then everyone suffers and mostly the poor. They are not bailing the individuals, out, just the system. I'm not sure that 'robbed people blind'. I think it was more that they made risky investment decisions and things went off the rails. And *everyone* almost got into the sub-prime market.

As for accountability, you will have a lot of commissions of inquiry, Senate Committees, and public hearings - where a few bankers will do 1 year or two in Club Fed. And then business will carry on as usual.



Why are you mad? Are you mad at other things, and this is just a focal point for your anger? Most of the time people look for things to be angry about - but the main reason they are angry is staring themselves right in the mirror.

No I was just joking around about being mad. Yes you certainly made some valid points and I guess at a time like this everyone needs someone to blame for their own ignorance and frustration. This scenario of events is eerily similar to 1929 and the things the precipitated the crash. The market itself would have been able to balance out if it was not prevented from doing so .This in my view was manipulated so the
Bankers and crooks (loose terms for government and corporate officials) could profit on both ends. The way up and the way down. The entire system is at fault not one specific group. We live beyond our means in America.Eventully the whole house of cards was bound to fall. There is not
A point you made that I disagree with I just feel that the average American lost control of their government (if they ever had control) long ago. The people that are part of the problem cannot be the solution.

Problem, reaction, solution at the economic level playing out if front of our eyes.

muck
10-07-2008, 03:40 AM
Everyone hates bankers because they earn a lot of money.

But admit it - you are just sore because that money is not in your bank account....

Everyone loves to say how morally principalled they are blah blah - but I've seen the way people fight tooth and nail for even a few hundred dollars. For millions, or 100s of millions - they would do anything.
Total crap. If their enterprise is running managers can earn as much money as they want as far as I'm concerned, but those who totally ruin the assets they have been trusted with shouldn't receive such insane salaries plus they should not be paid bonuses to reward their failures.

Scrim
10-07-2008, 10:34 AM
True story. My friend worked for Lehman Brothers up until about 3 months ago. They let him and a bunch of people go, for which he received a $60,000 redundancy package. He told me he looses sleep at night.....p-)

shatner
10-07-2008, 11:57 AM
would love to have seen this
Richard Fuld punched in face in Lehman Brothers gym

Richard Fuld, the disgraced head of Lehman Brothers, was punched in the face in the office gym amid the bank's collapse.



By Jon Swaine
Last Updated: 9:14AM BST 07 Oct 2008

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01004/richard-fuld_1004912c.jpg Richard Fuld, the former Lehman Brothers CEO, was punched in the gym Photo: EPA


Mr Fuld, who has been testifying on the financial crisis before the US House Oversight Committee, was attacked on a Sunday shortly after it was announced that the banking giant was bankrupt.
Following rumours that the incident had occurred, Vicki Ward, a US journalist, said "two very senior sources - one incredibly senior source" had confirmed it to her. "He went to the gym after ... Lehman was announced as going under," she told CNBC. "He was on a treadmill with a heart monitor on. Someone was in the corner, pumping iron and he walked over and he knocked him out cold.
"And frankly after having watched [Mr Fuld's testimony to the committee], I'd have done the same too."
"I thought he was shameless ... I thought it was appalling. He blamed everyone ... He blamed everybody but himself."
Lehman Brothers, which was particularly badly hit by "toxic" mortgage debt, filed for bankruptcy last month. Its assets were later bought up by Barclays.
In a robust performance in front of the committee, Mr Fuld said that he would wonder "until they put me in the ground" why the US government had not rescued the 158-year-old firm. He said that regulators were fully aware of its plight well before its collapse.
Mr Fuld said: "I want to be very clear. I take full responsibility for the decisions that I made and for the actions that I took based on the information that we had at the time."
However he faced angry questioning from the committee's members. Henry Waxman, a Democrat, asked: "Your company is now bankrupt, our economy is in crisis, but you get to keep $480 million (£276 million). I have a very basic question for you, is this fair?"
Mr Fuld said that he had in fact taken about $300 million (£173 million) in pay and bonuses over the past eight years.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3150319/Richard-Fuld-punched-in-face-in-Lehman-Brothers-gym.html

Polygon
10-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Richard Fuld, the disgraced head of Lehman Brothers, was punched in the face in the office gym amid the bank's collapse.



Kudos to whoever had the balls to do this. The only "bonus" Fuld should be entitled to is another punch to the face and perhaps a few kicks to the groin.