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seruriermarshal
06-10-2004, 10:23 PM
Ivory Coast Asks French to Leave

Agence France-Presse
June 10,2004

ABIDJAN, June 10 (AFP) - Anti-French vitriol rocked the Ivory Coast main city Abidjan again Thursday as hundreds of young government supporters clogged the entrance to the French military base in a peaceful demonstration.

The 4,000 French troops patrolling their former colony since last year have worn out their welcome, firebrand "Young Patriots" leader Charles Ble Goude said.

He and other hardline partisans of President Laurent Gbagbo have repeatedly accused France of betraying the country with its perceived support for rebels whose failed coup bid in September 2002 plunged the west African state into war.

The "Patriots" also demanded that UN peacekeepers who have been in Ivory Coast since April stay home until Gbagbo returns Wednesday from a private trip to the United States.

Tight security nearly matched one security officer to each of the 300 or so demonstrators to thwart violence from erupting outside the military base as it has in past protests by the hardliners.

A wave of anti-French violence washed over Abidjan earlier this week in the aftermath of tit-for-tat breaches of the confidence zone stretching 400 kilometers (250 miles) across Ivory Coast, the world's top cocoa producer.

The Ivorian armed forces targeted a rebel convoy with an air strike in retaliation for an incursion into the confidence zone that has been blamed on "renegade elements" of the rebel forces who were trying to steal weapons from a military post operated jointly by French, Ivorian and UN troops.

Ble Goude, the self-proclaimed "Youth General," demanded a full accounting of the incident in the farming village of Gohitafla tucked into the confidence zone that left 22 dead including five Ivorian soldiers.

More than 100 black clad Gbagbo supporters pelted the French embassy with stones and set alight pyres of tires and wooden stakes in response to the rebel strike in Gohitafla.

Angry youth mobs clogged traffic, pulling Westerners from their vehicles, leaving an untold number of broken windshields and damaged automobiles in their wake.

Both the Ivorian military and government have denounced the acts of vandalism and moved to bring young militants to heel.

So far, however, there has been no response from Gbagbo, who departed Abidjan on Sunday vowing that upon his return, "we will take care of (the rebels)."

Once a beacon of stability and economic prosperity for a restive and impoverished region, Ivory Coast has been flattened by 20 months of political and military conflict spawned by the rebel uprising.

In a report released last week, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan warned that the one-time regional powerhouse was at a crossroads, its future dependant on whether political leaders "will rise above their personal ambitions and interests and give priority to the national interest."

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Kilgor
06-10-2004, 10:27 PM
a excellent example of french hypocrisy at its best.

It was fine for french troops to run amok in africa doing as they plane without UN approval , but the same standard does not apply to the US.

DE_Six
06-10-2004, 10:36 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.

Iraq was a very muddled, intricate affair where the French had much to lose in following the US in terms of political cost.

Ivory Coast was much simpler, it was another good ole' African-made genocide waiting to happen. It doesn't leave much to be discussed.

When the US intervened in Somalia, Liberia and Haiti, the French did not oppose them, they helped them in some case.

France is probably the most interventionist european country, and globally closer to the US than to the rest of Europe on that matter.

Just my .02$

SeanAshi
06-10-2004, 10:45 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

EvanL
06-10-2004, 10:46 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?
:cantbeli:

cut
06-10-2004, 10:48 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

and you call the french hypocrites? It seems you're just as guilty as each other.

EvanL
06-10-2004, 10:49 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

and you call the french hypocrites? It seems you're just as guilty as each other.
Aha Me boy!
I was beginning to wonder where youve been.

cut
06-10-2004, 10:51 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

and you call the french hypocrites? It seems you're just as guilty as each other.
Aha Me boy!
I was beginning to wonder where youve been.

I was off having a cup of tea :D

DE_Six
06-10-2004, 10:51 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

Among other things, possibly. I don't have my priviledged contacts at the Élysée.

But French powerplants sold well. :P

No flame intended, btw. It was a war, every country had it's best interest in mind to command wether or not to go. That's not nice, it's not ugly, it's just the way it works.

Liberia or Ivory Coast, however are totally different. Just helping those people through tough times. Ivorians can cry all they want, they were happy when French paras put themselves between them and machete-wielding loonies. Same for the British Paras in Sierra Leone and US Marines in Liberia.

Is "humanitarian war" the new oxymoron? ;)

cut
06-10-2004, 11:00 PM
I think the French government' s beef with the US intervention in Iraq had more to do with the motives and the cost of the war (ie lost contracts) than with the idea of interventionism.
You mean oil?

Among other things, possibly. I don't have my priviledged contacts at the Élysée.

But French powerplants sold well. :P

No flame intended, btw. It was a war, every country had it's best interest in mind to command wether or not to go. That's not nice, it's not ugly, it's just the way it works.

Liberia or Ivory Coast, however are totally different. Just helping those people through tough times. Ivorians can cry all they want, they were happy when French paras put themselves between them and machete-wielding loonies. Same for the British Paras in Sierra Leone and US Marines in Liberia.

Is "humanitarian war" the new oxymoron? ;)

well said

Vance
06-10-2004, 11:07 PM
Liberia or Ivory Coast, however are totally different. Just helping those people through tough times. Ivorians can cry all they want, they were happy when French paras put themselves between them and machete-wielding loonies. Same for the British Paras in Sierra Leone and US Marines in Liberia.
Same for the US in Iraq...

DE_Six
06-11-2004, 12:18 AM
Same for the US in Iraq...

Er...I was favorable to the intervention in Iraq, still am. I was not particularly compelled by the Bush administration's case, but I see the use and necessity of intervention there. To me, the very departure of Saddam Hussein from power is a very positive result of the campaign, no matter what the actual motives that spurred the war were. It's tough, but I have good hopes good things will come out of this initiative.

However, isn't it a bit of overstretch to qualify the war in Iraq of "humanitarian war"? I mean, it wasn't out of pure compassion for the Iraqi people. Ridding them of a tyrant and planting the seeds of democracy is great and all, but it was also an "interested" intervention to say the least. I don't want to sound like a stoned hippie at a protest but there is a thing called oil, and another called WMDs, both in a notoriously unstable region called Middle East, where a certain Bin Laden hails from... There were stronger motives (from a realpolitik point of view) than compassion for the Iraqis for this war.

There were no such "incentives" in Liberia, Ivory Coast or Sierra Leone (except the business of diamonds, but no Western country will ever need to go to war for that). It was mostly a humanitarian mission, you know, like ONGs in cammies with guns...

Just a thought.

Vance
06-11-2004, 12:31 AM
Not saying what kind of war it is, just comparing it to the want of troops there in Iraq to the want of troops in the Ivory Coast.

DE_Six
06-11-2004, 12:36 AM
Not saying what kind of war it is, just comparing it to the want of troops there in Iraq to the want of troops in the Ivory Coast.

Oh, okay. Sorry.

From the grunts' POV, yes, it's pretty similar. First, they welcome you, you kick the bad guys around, and then they don't want you anymore, thanks, bye.

A pretty ungrateful job, if you ask me.

MEGR
06-11-2004, 12:41 AM
Y is the UN there? This is a serious question, I really don't know..

DE_Six
06-11-2004, 12:49 AM
A little background:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1043014.stm

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iv.html

Basically, it's another political/ethnic African conflict, mixed with relatively important foreign investment and a very present former colonial power (France). Last elections went sour and things degenerated to violence (well, what a surprise :roll: ).

As with most contingents in Africa, the "UN peacekeeping" (hey, another oxymoron :lol: ) force is provided by neighboring African states. IE, they are corrupt, ill-trained and dangerously near utter incompetence. Given the high threat to foreign nationals, France spearheaded a big NEO operation. And while at it, provided some muscle to enforce (or rather impose) peace. It's very similar to the US deployment to Liberia in 1996.

In a nutshell.

SeanAshi
06-11-2004, 01:21 AM
hypocrite is my middle name :P

ronin2172
06-11-2004, 02:09 AM
it is always a dangerous situation to deploy troops to maintain peace in a place with multiple problems (ethnic, economic, religious), regardless of your intentions; u r gonna piss someone off sooner or later. The french seem to be doing a good job, they r trying to be as evenhanded as possible to facilitate a political solution 9good luck), they r hardly running roughshod over the country.