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Andromeda
10-08-2008, 02:51 AM
REYKJAVIK, Iceland - This volcanic island near the Arctic Circle is on the brink of becoming the first "national bankruptcy" of the global financial meltdown.

http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=kgSIO9G_Rt2Scg2PSORIphIvTPoLc0jsVxUAC5a8&T=1hdgfqhlh%2fX%3d1223448341%2fE%3d84962395%2fR%3dnews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d2625254013%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJIb21lO2Jhbmtpbmc7c29jY2VyO2N1cnJlbmN5O2xlbmRpbmc7c3RvY2s7bW9uZXk7YmFuaztnb3Zlcm5tZW50O2l0O2VtZXJnZW5jeTtpbnZlc3RtZW50O3RyYWRpbmc7bG9hbjtjcmVkaXQ7Q29s ZDtjb2xkO3dlYXRoZXI7cmVhbCBlc3RhdGU7cG9vcjtnaXZlO2hvbWU7aGVscDtmdW5kO0Jhbms7ZXhjaGFuZ2UgcmF0ZTtldXJvO2VuZXJneTt2aWN0aW1zO0J1c2luZXNzO3JlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIiByZWZ1cmw9InJlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIiB0b3BpY3M9InJlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIg--%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d7A47BFD1&U=13fcs2t75%2fN%3dy9WSDNj8Ymo-%2fC%3d674272.13016819.13223603.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d5406809%2fV%3d1
Home to just 320,000 people on a territory the size of Kentucky, Iceland has formidable international reach because of an outsized banking sector that set out with Viking confidence to conquer swaths of the British economy — from fashion retailers to top soccer teams.
The strategy gave Icelanders one of the world's highest per capita incomes. But now they are watching helplessly as their economy implodes — their currency losing almost half its value, and their heavily exposed banks collapsing under the weight of debts incurred by lending in the boom times.
"Everything is closed. We couldn't sell our stock or take money from the bank," said Johann Sigurdsson as he left a branch of Landsbanki in downtown Reykjavik.
The government had earlier announced it had nationalized the bank under emergency laws enacted to deal with the crisis.
"We have been forced to take decisive action to save the country," Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde said of those sweeping new powers that allow the government to take over companies, limit the authority of boards, and call shareholder meetings.
A full-blown collapse of Iceland's financial system would send shock waves across Europe, given the heavy investment by Icelandic banks and companies across the continent.
One of Iceland's biggest companies, retailing investment group Baugur, owns or has stakes in dozens of major European retailers — including enough to make it the largest private company in Britain, where it owns a handful of stores such as the famous toy store Hamley's.
Kaupthing, Iceland's largest bank and one of those whose share trading was suspended last week to stop a huge sell-off, has also invested in European retail groups.
Thousands of Britons have accounts with Icesave, the online arm of Landsbanki that regulators said was likely to file for bankruptcy after it stopped permitting customers to withdraw money from their accounts Tuesday.
To try to wrest control of the spiraling situation, the government also loaned $680 million to Kaupthing to tide it over and said it was negotiating a $5.4 billion loan from Russia to shore up the nation's finances.
The speed of Iceland's downfall in the week since it announced it was nationalizing Glitnir bank, the country's third largest, caught many by surprise despite warnings that it was the "canary in the coal mine" of the global credit squeeze.
Famous for its cod fishing industry, geysers, moonscape and the Blue Lagoon, Iceland was the site of the Cold War showdown in which Bobby Fischer of the United States defeated Boris Spassky of the Soviet Union in 1972 for the world chess championship. Last year, Iceland won the U.N.'s "best country to live in" poll, with its residents deemed the most contented in the world.
No more.
Despite sunny skies Tuesday after three days of unseasonably cold weather, Reykjavik's mood remained grim — cafes were half-empty, real estate agents sat idle, and retailers reported few sales.
"I'm really starting to get worried now. Everything is bad news. I don't know what's happening," said retiree Helga Jonsdottir as she headed to a supermarket.
Icelanders are also beginning to question how a relative few were able to generate the disproportionate wealth — and associated debt — that Haarde has warned puts the entire country at risk of bankruptcy.
Iceland's reinvention from the poor cousin in Europe to one of the region's wealthiest countries dates to the deregulation of the banking industry and the creation of the domestic stock market in the mid-1990s.
Those free market reforms turned Iceland from a conservative, inward-looking country to one of a new generation of internationally educated young businessmen and women who were determined to give Iceland a modern profile far beyond its fishing base.
Entrepreneurs become its greatest export, as banks and companies marched across Europe and their acquisition wallets were filled by a stock market boom and a well-funded pension system. Among the purchases were the iconic Hamley's toy store and the West Ham soccer team.
Back home, the average family's wealth soared 45 percent in half a decade and gross domestic product rose at around 5 percent a year.
But the whole system was built on a shaky foundation of foreign debt.
The country's top four banks now hold foreign liabilities in excess of $100 billion, debts that dwarf Iceland's gross domestic product of $14 billion.
Those external liabilities mean the private sector has had great difficulty financing its debts, such as the more than $5.25 billion racked up by Kaupthing in five years to help fund British deals.
Iceland is unique "because the sheer size of its financial sector puts it in a vulnerable situation, and its currency has always been seen as a high risk and high yield," said Venla Sipila, a senior economist at Global Insight in London.
The krona is suffering in part from a withdrawal by a falloff in what are called carry trades — where investors borrow cheaply in a country with low rates, such as Japan, and invest in a country where returns, and often risks, are higher.
After watching the free-fall for several days, the Central Bank of Iceland stepped in Tuesday to fix the exchange rate of the currency at 175 — a level equal to 131 krona against the euro.
Haarde said he believed the measures had renewed confidence in the system. He also was critical of the lack of an Europe-wide response to the crisis, saying Iceland had been forced to adopt an "every-country-for-itself" mentality.
He acknowledged that Iceland's financial reputation was likely to suffer from both the crisis and the response despite strong fundamentals such as the fishing industry and clean and renewable energy resources.
As regular Icelanders begin to blame the government and market regulators, Haarde said the banks had been "victims of external circumstances."
Richard Portes of the London Business School agreed, noting the banks were well-capitalized and had not bought any of the toxic debt that has brought down banks elsewhere.
"I believe it is absolutely wrong to say these banks were reckless," said. "Quite the contrary. They were hugely unlucky."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_eu/eu_iceland_meltdown_1

This is really starting to spiral out of control..:| your thoughts please.

CMNot
10-08-2008, 03:51 AM
My thoughts are that I have a fair amount of money in Landsbanki's internet arm. Which I can no longer access. Which sucks about as much **** as an Amsterdamned hooker on any given Friday night.

kinmid
10-08-2008, 04:22 AM
I heard on the news yesterday that Iceland is getting several bilions loan from Russia in order to try and save it's banking system, and my question is... why from Russia?
Why not from the US?





HAVE FUN !!!

boone
10-08-2008, 04:25 AM
Why not from the US?
You may have heard that the US has a tiny bit of a problem of their own at the moment.

kinmid
10-08-2008, 04:29 AM
Yeap, but Russia has it too.
Iceland being dependant to the US defense-wise and member of NATO, one would wonder naturally I think.
After all it is the midle column of the Atlantic GIUK line as well.



HAVE FUN !!!

Kutuzov
10-08-2008, 05:13 AM
Yeap, but Russia has it too.
Iceland being dependant to the US defense-wise and member of NATO, one would wonder naturally I think.
After all it is the midle column of the Atlantic GIUK line as well.



HAVE FUN !!!


Your no fun :bash:

nullterm
10-08-2008, 05:23 AM
One side is fighting a war in Afghanistan and getting to the point where it can't find two pennies to rub together.

The other side is in an economic boom, growing in power and influence in the world, and with a charismatic leader at the helm acting as the figurehead of the nation.

My how things can change in the span of a few decades.

Stonewall71
10-08-2008, 05:23 AM
soory I didn't knew this topic already existed so I created another one
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3602962&postcount=1

boone
10-08-2008, 05:26 AM
One side is fighting a war in Afghanistan and getting to the point where it can't find two pennies to rub together.

The other side is in an economic boom, growing in power and influence in the world, and with a charismatic leader at the helm acting as the figurehead of the nation.

My how things can change in the span of a few decades.
On the Internet, No one can hear you irony.

nullterm
10-08-2008, 05:35 AM
On the Internet, No one can hear you irony.

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

PeterRJG
10-08-2008, 05:38 AM
Does this mean EVE Online is going down as well? :D

Kjallakr
10-08-2008, 08:00 AM
Eve online won't close down, don't worry!

The loan from Russia is the result of ridiculous demands from the US treasury that we should get a IMF loan instead.

The Response from Davíð Oddsson our Viking chief the central bank
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58336&stc=1&d=1223467168

Moledet
10-08-2008, 08:28 AM
Looking at this crisis I am surprised that for once the government here actually planned ahead and through laws and regulations prevented this mess from happening here.

Calanen
10-08-2008, 11:35 AM
Does this mean EVE Online is going down as well? :D

No fear - Viacom bought Eve Online, sometime ago.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-08-2008, 02:12 PM
One side is fighting a war in Afghanistan and getting to the point where it can't find two pennies to rub together.

The other side is in an economic boom, growing in power and influence in the world, and with a charismatic leader at the helm acting as the figurehead of the nation.

My how things can change in the span of a few decades.

Oil price has dropped over 40% since July - it's currently trading at $86/barrel. They had to shut down the Moscow stock exchange for a few days last month because of panic selling. I think your description of "the other side" may be a bit behind the times. p-)

Calanen
10-08-2008, 03:57 PM
Oil price has dropped over 40% since July - it's currently trading at $86/barrel. They had to shut down the Moscow stock exchange for a few days last month because of panic selling. I think your description of "the other side" may be a bit behind the times. p-)

Indeed:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4531/russiaindexzi1.png (http://imageshack.us)

The Russian MICEX composite index over the last month.

muttbutt
10-08-2008, 04:03 PM
Oil price has dropped over 40% since July - it's currently trading at $86/barrel. They had to shut down the Moscow stock exchange for a few days last month because of panic selling. I think your description of "the other side" may be a bit behind the times. p-)Not according to "Russia Today" everything's good, Russia strong, Europe and America foolish....except for that one Russian economist they had on today who said Russia was in deep **** too....the news host didn't know what to say to him, he kept asking how well Russia and the Ruble ect will do, the guy basically said we're all screwed....funny watching it.p-)


I do't think he'll have a steady job commentating for RT anymore.

Kjallakr
10-08-2008, 04:15 PM
No fear - Viacom bought Eve Online, sometime ago.

Actually Viacom failed so badly at distributing EVE, that Crowd Control Publications bought the rights back cheaply.

Anyhow, most of CCP's income is in foreign currency. I reckon they will profit from this unless the subscribers start to abandon their subscription.

Karry
10-08-2008, 04:16 PM
Not according to "Russia Today" everything's good, Russia strong
I dont watch RT, but "Vesti" 24/7 channel reports all the falls, its just that i dont really get that panicky feeling people get from watching US top economic stories.

Thing is, in Russia stock market collapse doesnt equal whole economy collapse. Same with oil, its not THAT big of a deal. So it fell down to 86$, so what ? US reduced its consumption and world markets havent had the time to reorganize the demands.
Besides, you dont see pure oil exporting states going psycho, why should Russia ?
Russia's budget for 2007-8 was calculated from oil price below 60$, as i recall, so 86$ is still ALOT of surplus going.

As someone who actually holds some stocks - i will wait things out calmly, markets will fix themselves. Whether USA collapses or not.

Nodak
10-08-2008, 04:33 PM
Ok...this REALY scares me....
I mean Iceland?Ok my country is like 60 billion dolars in minus...our prime minister is basicly anybody who curently runes the mafia...and we have more ak47 per family then Iraq...and Iceland is almost bankrupt?
A REALY strange world

2Sheds_Jackson
10-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Thing is, in Russia stock market collapse doesnt equal whole economy collapse.

I agree - and the same goes for everywhere else of course. I wasn't trying to throw Russia under the bus - just trying to point out that most markets are all in this decline together.

Karry
10-08-2008, 04:51 PM
I wasn't trying to throw Russia under the bus
I'm not saying you did.
Still, in Russia stock market is so small and young - its not completely integrated in the internal economy, and its losses would be comparatively painless for the whole. Not so for Europe and US.

Naturally the crisis is global and all encompassing, thus Russia will suffer along with everyone else, but stock markets drops are just not an indicator enough.

nullterm
10-08-2008, 05:03 PM
Oil price has dropped over 40% since July - it's currently trading at $86/barrel. They had to shut down the Moscow stock exchange for a few days last month because of panic selling. I think your description of "the other side" may be a bit behind the times. p-)

Yeah, I saw this morning's news regarding Russia and thought "Huh, guess not."

Maybe their resource rich economy will rebound and I'll be right again.

PALADIN
10-08-2008, 05:04 PM
Why are we just hearing about this now?

pekka elo
10-08-2008, 05:15 PM
The Icelanders started playing high risk at the worst possible moment, which is a couple of years ago. I bet they didn't see this one coming.

The government must be pretty helpless with those giant banks far outsizing the whole GDP of Iceland.

Bulletproof
10-08-2008, 05:23 PM
...and the fiscal paradise is going down.

Kjallakr
10-08-2008, 05:26 PM
The Icelanders started playing high risk at the worst possible moment, which is a couple of years ago. I bet they didn't see this one coming.

The government must be pretty helpless with those giant banks far outsizing the whole GDP of Iceland.

Actually some people saw it coming, like Davíð Oddsson (according to himself) our heroic leader of the Central Bank and former PM.

But people didn't want to rein in the folks at the banks. They thought it was a bit to pessimistic. And the media mostly belongs to the super-rich owners who didn't want to be stopped. (Most of them have fled to Britain, with their private jets by nowp-))

domokun
10-08-2008, 06:06 PM
Oil price has dropped over 40% since July - it's currently trading at $86/barrel. They had to shut down the Moscow stock exchange for a few days last month because of panic selling. I think your description of "the other side" may be a bit behind the times. p-)

Ever heard of peak oil? It will surely get back after while. That is common for limited commodities. It may come down on short term but long term oil price will go up and up, until alternate sources become viable option. That will take while.

I find this Iceland side show of this global or American banking crisis bit ironic. They have bought all kinds of firms around world with bit "hollow" money.

Deurzakker
10-08-2008, 09:58 PM
I just hope they don't start hunting whales again in massive numbers to provide foreign currency and jobs to the Icelandic population.

Mu-Meson
10-08-2008, 11:27 PM
$100 billion debt against $14 billion GDP. Ouch.
I'm not sure if it is a case of apples and oranges, but compare that to US debt which is "only" 69% of GDP (as of Sept 30)

loganinkosovo
10-09-2008, 02:51 AM
If Bjork can't float 'em a loan then they should send her over to beat the crap out of their creditors.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyyqIZTvYY

ren0312
10-09-2008, 03:37 AM
If Bjork can't float 'em a loan then they should send her over to beat the crap out of their creditors.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyyqIZTvYY

They have Brunhild to do that.

Kjallakr
10-09-2008, 07:11 AM
I just hope they don't start hunting whales again in massive numbers to provide foreign currency and jobs to the Icelandic population.

Sadly there is little money in hunting whales. Only food. Maybe we should change our foreign aid to whalemeat though.


$100 billion debt against $14 billion GDP. Ouch.
I'm not sure if it is a case of apples and oranges, but compare that to US debt which is "only" 69% of GDP (as of Sept 30)

None of this debt is official debt to be covered by the Icelandic state. As soon as the banks are liquidated the creditors are forced write off whats left of it.


They have Brunhild to do that.

I believe she's German. In Icelandic this sounds a bit African.

Flamming_Python
10-09-2008, 10:10 AM
Iceland, welcome to the Russian Empire, glad to have you aboard :D

http://www.barentsobserver.com/getfile.php/766237.623.vdrtcwvwfq/Iceland-RussianColours.jpg

TallGuy
10-09-2008, 03:27 PM
New Icelandic million krona bill:

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ik2xeg.jpg

muttbutt
10-09-2008, 03:42 PM
So instead of operation "Polar Glory" it's operation Polar bail-out?


vague Tom Clancy reference there......p-)

Paddy51
10-09-2008, 03:46 PM
New Icelandic million krona bill:

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ik2xeg.jpg

LOL roflrofl Alveg frábært!