Turkey and Azerbaijan plan to force Tbilisi to accept the idea of the federalization

[Afro-European]

Turkey and Azerbaijan plan to force Tbilisi to accept the idea of the federalization of Georgia.
Analysts say the two countries don't want Georgia to be split, but they do not trust the government of Mikheil Saakashvili and therefore want to strengthen control over strategic communications in Georgia.
On Saturday evening, Azerbaijani news agencies said, quoting a source in the foreign ministry, that Baku would issue Azerbaijani passports to the residents of the Kvemo-Kartli region in Georgia, called Borchaly in Azerbaijan.
After that Azerbaijan would demand that Georgia grant autonomy to the region, the source said, threatening to deploy its troops there in the event of a refusal.
An anonymous source in the Turkish Foreign Ministry said last week that Turkey would demand "security guarantees for the Turkic residents of Georgia." The establishment of a "multilevel federation" will be the only guarantee of Georgia's territorial integrity, the Turkish diplomat said.
Turkey also intends to insist that Georgia "restore the real autonomy" of Adzharia and repatriate all Meskhetian Turks to Georgia and give them special status.
Saakashvili unofficially annulled Adzharia's autonomy in 2004 and has since been forcing Adzharians to register as "Muslim Georgians."
The repatriation of Meskhetian Turks, which the Georgian parliament announced in June 2007, has been postponed for the same reasons. Meskhetians are forced to register as Georgians and to "retake their Georgian surnames," which the majority of them refuse to do.
Alexei Vlasov, head of Moscow State University's information and analysis center studying socio-political processes in the post-Soviet space, said Turkey and Azerbaijan were unlikely to use military force to "convince" Georgia to accept federalization.
They don't want to split Georgia, but they mistrust the Saakashvili government, Vlasov said. Turkey and Azerbaijan have organized leaks to the media to "remind Tbilisi that they have means of influencing the situation."
Adzharia, Kvemo-Kartli and Meskhetia are the transit regions for communications vital to Azerbaijan and Turkey, such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and the Baku-Supsa oil pipelines, as well as the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railroad project.
Before the war in South Ossetia, Azerbaijan and Turkey considered the Saakashvili government as the only guarantor of these communications' safety. Now they see that they need to control Tbilisi, and have decided to use the Georgian autonomies and their loyal diasporas towards this end


http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081007/117537098.html

Even his allies/neighbours can't trust him.Is there anybody left that still trust Saaka?

[Arbody]

" Even his allies/neighbours can't trust him.Is there anybody left that still trust Saaka?"

Poland and Lithuania , "Lithuania will block Russian-EU negotiation .Because of reason that Russian Army is still in Abhazia and S.Osetia , Russia recognize Anhazia and S.Osetia as independent states "

Funny thing is that Lithuania is totaly depends on Russia economically

[eugenlitwin]

what i like most here... this partp-)

"Turkey would demand "security guarantees for the Turkic residents of Georgia." The establishment of a "multilevel federation" will be the only guarantee of Georgia's territorial integrity, the Turkish diplomat said."

it could work not just for Georgia:roll:

PS its very bad news for Georgian state

[Eventine]

This isn't "federalization" - this is the carving up of Georgia into spheres of (foreign) influence.

[derkrieger]

what i like most here... this partp-)

"Turkey would demand "security guarantees for the Turkic residents of Georgia." The establishment of a "multilevel federation" will be the only guarantee of Georgia's territorial integrity, the Turkish diplomat said."

it could work not just for Georgia:roll:

PS its very bad news for Georgian state
ERNK at work?

[Stonewall71]

c'mon it's RIA Novosti, news agency from the Evil Empire ;)

[zg18]

This isn't "federalization" - this is the carving up of Georgia into spheres of (foreign) influence.

Thanks to a stupid man in Tbilisi presidential office , his politics basically put Georgia on geopolitical battle map between great powers and neighbours threating the shire existence of Georgia state, irony is that Russia is the only power that can realistically guarantee the Georgian interests in the region and it's security.

[Afro-European]

Thanks to a stupid man in Tbilisi presidential office , his politics basically put Georgia on geopolitical battle map between great powers and neighbours threating the shire existence of Georgia state, irony is that Russia is the only power that can realistically guarantee the Georgian interests in the region and it's security.
Co-sign.Now it's clear that not only Russia but also Turkey and Azerbaijan want to protect their citizens against mad mike.Medvedev and Putin weren't wrong after all.

[saladin]

It seems to be some misinformation by Russia. After all, Georgia is very important for both countries and they wouldn't alienate her. Any idea which azeri news agencies passed these news? It looks like Turkish newspapers missed this important item :)

[zg18]

It seems to be some misinformation by Russia. After all, Georgia is very important for both countries and they wouldn't alienate her. Any idea which azeri news agencies passed these news? It looks like Turkish newspapers missed this important item :)

It could be Russian misinformation but if it's true, such things woudn't be public in Turkey or Azerbaijan.

[derkrieger]

It could be Russian misinformation but if it's true, such things woudn't be public in Turkey or Azerbaijan.
says who? YOU?

[deli_dumrul]

It could be Russian misinformation but if it's true, such things woudn't be public in Turkey or Azerbaijan.

Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is of at most importance to us. It will be the sole transportation route for cargo from Central Asia via Caucasus to the Mediterranean Sea / Black Sea.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=89856

We have to resolve this conflict and keep the Georgians happy. This news article just does not make any sense unless they have already made their minds up. Then again, it would be retarded to say we are the ones forcing them for federalization.

[sup_tech]

Adzharia, Kvemo-Kartli and Meskhetia are the transit regions for communications vital to Azerbaijan and Turkey, such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and the Baku-Supsa oil pipelines, as well as the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railroad project.
Before the war in South Ossetia, Azerbaijan and Turkey considered the Saakashvili government as the only guarantor of these communications' safety. Now they see that they need to control Tbilisi, and have decided to use the Georgian autonomies and their loyal diasporas towards this end.
Georgia is going down.

[zg18]

says who? YOU?

Yes, do you have any objection or anything smarter to add?

[eugenlitwin]

ERNK at work?

you forced me to google a bit... new i get you point...ERNK
sometimes its much better to listen some good music then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZOnw2EXAaQ&feature=related

[PVJ]

Sad thing is this probably never wouldv happend if Saakashvili hadnt tried to retake South Ossetia by force. Hes got no chance at being reelected.

[Zakali]

Azeris of Georgia should get autonomy status.

[Zakali]

Azeris of Georgia should get autonomy status.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r480/Zakali_2008/615px-.jpg

[Stonewall71]

Sad thing is this probably never wouldv happend if Saakashvili hadnt tried to retake South Ossetia by force. Hes got no chance at being reelected.


says who? didn't he forged last elections already??????

maybe he will try it again, with the blessing of the "bosses"p-)

[speckfire]

Azeris of Georgia should get autonomy status.

Hahaha like Azerbaijan gave the armenians?

[Zakali]

Hahaha like Azerbaijan gave the armenians?

Sorry?........

[Karaahmetoglu]

I had an article I lost it now, but it stated how the Georgian government was good allies with Turkey and Azerbaijan, but he did nothing to deserve it, other then being geographically located in an convenient place, he treated Turkic minorities in the country very badly. Mesketian Turks where promised housing, in a deal signed with Turkey, Turkey fulfilled their end of the deal, Georgians have not, instead they spent huge amounts of money on the military 70% of government budget. Plus in Turkey many people where worried that if the Russians took over all of Georgia they would shut down the Pipelines from Azerbaijan to Turkey, which made Saakashvilli unstable in many Turkish people opinions.

[Zakali]

Dude, there are about half million Azeris in Eastern Georgia near the border of Azerbaijan.

What is number of Meshketians? First Azeris there should get the autonomy.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Dude, there are about half million Azeris in Eastern Georgia near the border of Azerbaijan.

What is number of Meshketians? First Azeris there should get the autonomy.

I was not talking about Mesketians getting autonomy, I was saying they need homes, (houses). Yeah there is lots of Azeri's in Georgia considering Aliyev is the 6 most common last name in Georgia. In fact there is more of them in Eastern Georgia then there are Akhbazians and Osseitians where they live.

[Zakali]

I was not talking about Mesketians getting autonomy, I was saying they need homes, (houses). Yeah there is lots of Azeri's in Georgia considering Aliyev is the 6 most common last name in Georgia. In fact there is more of them in Eastern Georgia then there are Akhbazians and Osseitians where they live.

Yeah, agree with that.

Are u a Ahiskan Meskhetian?

Yes, Abkhazians and Ossetians combined aren't as much as Azeris in Georgia.

And look at what are they doing. :cantbeli:

[Karaahmetoglu]

Yeah, agree with that.

Are u a Ahiskan Meskhetian?

Yes, Abkhazians and Ossetians combined aren't as much as Azeris in Georgia.

And look at what are they doing. :cantbeli:

No my family is Nogais (subgroup of Kypchak Turks) that moved into Georgia then went to Turkey.

[eugenlitwin]

guys you came little bit early, Georgia is still alive

[Karaahmetoglu]

guys you came little bit early, Georgia is still alive


You mean late anyway not my point, I do not want the end of Georgia as I am also part Georgian, all I want is for Mesketian Turks to get homes. But I not even sure if all of them want to come back to Georgia although it seems from what Turkey is trying to do they maybe do want to comeback. I think they just want to go to Turkey to then go to Turkey thereafter wards.

[Lenus]

THe only thing I can say is... the fricking Russian RIAN news-"agency" is the biggest lyers in the whole world media.

Unbelievable but it works for the Russian crowd. Well anyone else would request the real-news media companies confirming the same stupid news.

[Lenus]

Sad thing is this probably never wouldv happend if Saakashvili hadnt tried to retake South Ossetia by force. Hes got no chance at being reelected.

No ****, Sherlock?! What re-election, Its his second term.



Azeris of Georgia should get autonomy status.


Fu... A, why not? Help yourself! You dont want the daily blowjob or something for them too, do you?

[Zakali]

Idiot, i supported Georgians at war and i still do but when it comes to my people, stop there.

Azeris are second largest ethnic group in Georgia and largest in Eastern Georgia, they should get autonomy status when other lesser number ethnic groups there has.

Thats the way it should be, in future i tell u, we can have serious problems over Borchali region. We call it Borchali, u call it Kvemo Kartli and Kakheti.

[Lenus]

Idiot, i supported Georgians at war and i still do but when it comes to my people, stop there.

Azeris are second largest ethnic group in Georgia and largest in Eastern Georgia, they should get autonomy status when other lesser number ethnic groups there has.

Thats the way it should be, in future i tell u, we can have serious problems over Borchali region. We call it Borchali, u call it Kvemo Kartli and Kakheti.


Dear Mr Dumbass.

I dont care what you supported, you are digging a grave to my country in this post.

You promote dismembering of my homeland and you can f... right off with you silly ideas or names you came up with.

"Your people"??? Bring a period when Borchali was a part of Azerbaijan, please. I fact, fu.. that, bring a perdiod when you existed as Azeris, please. Stalin nicknamed you as azeris, and now you expand that definition to include all Turk tribes under that nickname.

We have Georgians in Azerbaijan, have you issued an autonomy? why should you? exactly!

So, piss off!!

[Zakali]

Kvemo Kartli as whole and much of Kakheti are populated by Azeris. I don't say they should be part of Azerbaijan but u should not treat them badly, now because of our oil and gas, u treat them better.

They should get autonomy, Kvemo Kartli and Kakheti = Borchalo.

Azeris are 7-8% of Georgia, second largest after Georgians. Thats a big number if u ask me but how much % are Georgian population of Azerbaijan?

[Lenus]

Kvemo Kartli as whole and much of Kakheti are populated by Azeris. I don't say they should be part of Azerbaijan but u should not treat them badly, now because of our oil and gas, u treat them better.

They should get autonomy, Kvemo Kartli and Kakheti = Borchalo.

You dodged awfully large portion of my questions, but I forget that as you tone seems to be balanced.

Azeris need Georgia as a transit country as much as Georgia needs Azerbaijan to transit it through it. No debts or facours there, buddy.

We don't mistreat anyone. I do state that!
Besides, we never knew about Oil and Gas reserves your country had, and we still were in very good relations.

Autonomies lead us to war, No more autonomies. If you need to learn your language, feel free. We even use double language in the ethnic areas, but you must remember, those people consider Georgia being their motherland, not Azerbaijan.

[Lenus]

I dont care and mind what percentage one's population is. THis is not the only criteirum. Abkhaz had lesser persentage, but historical predisposition before joining Georgia in 1918 ensurd their current legal status.