'Yom Kippur riot' in Israeli city

[Holycrusader]

Being religious make some people stupid...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7660628.stm

Riots have broken out in the mixed city of Acre after an Israeli Arab man drove his car during the Yom Kippur religious holiday, Israeli reports say.

Dozens of cars and shops were damaged as hundreds of people took to the streets, Haaretz newspaper reported.

For Jews, Yom Kippur is a sombre day of fasting, during which it is considered offensive to drive in much of Israel.

The Arab man was reportedly attacked by youths who said he was making noise intentionally, the paper said.

Most of Israel comes to a standstill on Yom Kippur - the Day of Atonement - the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

Streets are deserted except for a few pedestrians, cyclists and skateboarders, during the 25-hour fast which this year began on Wednesday at 1640 (1440 GMT).

The Arab man is reported to have said he was simply driving to a property he owned in the eastern part of the city.

Extensive damage

The unrest erupted around midnight local time (2200 GMT), with hundreds of people pouring onto the streets as news spread of the alleged assault, Haaretz reported.

A crowd gathered on Ben Ami Street, a key commercial street in the city, and caused "extensive damage" to vehicles and property in "large-scale" Jewish-Arab rioting, the report said.

Police used force to disperse the rioters, it added.

"This is a very serious incident that the city of Acre has not seen the likes of in recent years and we will deal with all the rioters and those who take the law into their own hands with an iron fist," the head of the Acre police station, Chief Superintendent Avi Edri, told Haaretz.

About one third of Acre's population of almost 50,000 residents are Israeli Arabs, with the highest concentration of Israeli Arabs in the Old City.

Israeli Arabs are people of Palestinian origin whose forbears remained in Israel after the foundation of the country in 1948.

They number about one million - about one-fifth of the Israeli population - and although they have full rights as Israeli citizens, human rights groups say they face discrimination and exclusion.

[IDF_TANKER]

In Yom Kippur driving is forbidden by law. In Yom Kippur all people go out for walking on the streets and roads, which makes driving very dangerous. I live in a mixed secular-religious(orthodox) neighborhood, in the Sabbath I drive without any problems. Yom Kippur however is a whole different matter, it's a Sabbath of Sabbaths, the holiest Jewish holiday. Arabs know all that and when they drive through Jewish neighborhood they are looking for trouble, simple as that.

Last Yom Kippur provocation like this ended by death of a 8-years old girl. I'm more than sure that these "riots" are connected to this incident.


8-year old girl killed by ATV while riding bicycle

Tal Gino from Kfar Tavor suffers fatal injuries after being hit by ATV near local synagogue. MDA teams tend to 1,953 cases during Yom Kippur weekend
Ahiya Raved

Eight-year old Tal Gino from Kfar Tavor in the Lower Galilee suffered fatal injuries Friday evening, just after Yom Kippur began, when an ATV (all terrain vehicle) struck her as she was riding her bicycle near a local synagogue.

Magen David Adom paramedics rushed to the scene, where they found her suffering from multiple injuries.

She was taken to Haemek Medical Center in Afula in critical condition and later died from her wounds.

An accident waiting to happen
The ATV driver, Asad Shibli from the neighboring village of Arab al-Shibli, whose license was previously revoked, was also injured, but tried to flee the scene. He was stopped by local residents and taken into police custody.

Chief Inspector Uzi Hadar, head of the motor-vehicle division in Ha'amakim district told Ynet that an initial investigation found that shortly before the accident, local Kfar Tavor residents who spotted the ATV asked Shibli to leave the premises.

"He started driving downhill wildly, hitting the girl on the way," said Hadar, adding that the Shibli was thrown off the ATV and moderately injured.



Kfar Tavor residents have previously filed several complaints against ATV owners driving recklessly in the area. Several local residents went as far as demanding that police charge Shibli with committing an act of terror.

The Nazareth Magistrates' Court remanded Shibli for an additional seven days. Shibli, who was injured in the accident, is currently hospitalized in Haemek Medical Center in Afula.

Magen David Adom emergency services told Ynet Saturday that some 1,953 people required medical attention during the Yom Kippur weekend.

Some 121 women gave birth and 87 people fainted during the fast, eight of them needing CPR. MDA services also took care of 231 children suffering various bicycle and rollerblades injuries.

[LRPV]

Sad news. I just broke the fast in North Perth with my friends and hit the web when I got home. This stuff is just like Aussie 60Minutes guys driving thru Mea Shearim on Shabbat and getting filmed as their cars are stoned. They know what is going to happen so they create the news. Works for the uninformed public.

[IDF_TANKER]

Sad news. I just broke the fast in North Perth with my friends and hit the web when I got home. This stuff is just like Aussie 60Minutes guys driving thru Mea Shearim on Shabbat and getting filmed as their cars are stoned. They know what is going to happen so they create the news. Works for the uninformed public.

Seriously? Morons.

[LRPV]

Seriously? Morons.


Yes. George Negus was the top 60 Minutes head for Australia, this prick did exactly that...

[Mr.Flint]

So the riot was premeditated, and deliberately provoked, with kindly help from BBC.


Police bid to restore calm in Acre after Yom Kippur riots

By YAAKOV LAPPIN (editors@jpost.com)





A riot in Acre shattered the Yom Kippur calm on Wednesday night as hundreds of the city's Arab residents vandalized Jewish-owned shops and vehicles and clashed with police.



On Thursday evening, tensions boiled over again during a demonstration held by Jews against the previous evening's occurrences. Both Jews and Arabs clashed with police (javascript:void(0)) in various parts of the racially divided city, leading to 10 arrests. In total, at least eight people were lightly injured in the successive nights of violence.
For part of Thursday evening, the city (javascript:void(0)) was in lockdown, its entrances temporarily closed off, as hundreds of riot and border police armed with water cannons and tear gas worked to restore calm to Acre's streets.
Police say the disturbances were sparked deliberately on Wednesday evening when an Arab driver, Tawfik Jamal - a resident of Acre's Old City - made his way to the predominantly Jewish Ben-Gurion neighborhood in the eastern part of the city, blasting loud music from his vehicle as a provocation on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.
Speaking to Channel 2 News, Jamal denied he had intended to provoke local residents, saying he had driven with his 18-year-old son and the son's 20-year-old friend carefully and quietly from the Old City to the Ben-Gurion neighborhood, three kilometers away, to pick up his daughter from her fiancé's home.



But police dismissed Jamal's claims.
"This was a provocation. An Arab driver arrived in a Jewish neighborhood on Yom Kippur with blaring music, and refused (javascript:void(0)) to leave when asked to by local residents. We believe he was intoxicated. This was a deliberate act," Galilee Police spokesman Ch.-Supt. Eran Shaked said.
The verbal confrontation between Jamal and the local residents quickly deteriorated into violence, as rocks and bottles were thrown at Jamal's vehicle.
According to Jamal, he and his two passengers fled the car. The three were taken to hospital where they were treated for light injuries and released.
In the meantime, police said, "False rumors that Arabs were seriously harmed or killed by Jews reached the Old City, and caused a far more serious and organized incident in Acre."
Responding to the rumors, hundreds of Arabs set out from the Old City toward the Ben-Gurion neighborhood, walking down a main road, smashing store windows and cars along the way. Reports said the mob shouted "Kill the Jews," "Allahu Akbar," and "If you come out of your homes, you will die."
At the same time, a few hundred Jews had congregated in the streets of the Ben-Gurion neighborhood. Fearing a deadly clash, police acted quickly, mobilizing "a very large force" to prevent the two groups from confronting one another, Shaked said.
"We used tear gas and other means to disperse the [Arab] group heading toward Ben-Gurion, thereby preventing a far more serous incident. Lives were saved because of this action," Shaked said.
Five police officers were wounded by rocks, and two civilians were lightly wounded during the clashes, a result that Shaked said was nothing compared to what would have happened had police not acted swiftly to separate the two sides.
Shaked said violent clashes between Arabs and Jews in the city was an "unusual" event.
On Thursday night, tensions boiled over again, as both Jews and Arabs clashed with the police.
Police denied riots were taking place, saying a demonstration was being held by Jewish residents in the eastern part of the city against the previous evening's incidents.
"There is a demonstration and it is under control," Shaked insisted on Thursday. Police, including officers on horseback, had positioned themselves in large numbers in sensitive spots considered likely flashpoints where Jews and Arabs could clash.
Police Commissioner Ch.-Insp. Dudi Cohen held a special situation analysis meeting at an Acre police station on Thursday evening.
Cmdr. Shimon Koren, Northern District police chief, arrived in Acre to oversee police operations. "Our aim is to prevent Jews and Arabs from clashing," he said. "We won't allow anyone to riot."
The riots garnered strong reactions from political leaders.
MK Ahmed Tibi called the riots a "Jewish pogrom," and said the police were handling the "attack against the Arab residents" in a discriminatory manner.
Hadash MK Muhammad Barakei echoed Tibi's words, saying that "fascist gangs in Acre carried out a pogrom against Arabs, reminiscent of dark days in human history. We have been warning for a while of the expansion of these gangs in Acre, whose only purpose is to harass the Arabs."
"Mixed cities are supposed to serve as a model of coexistence... The police must impose order, otherwise these cities will turn into ticking time bombs," MK Nadia Hilou (Labor) commented Thursday night. Hilou, who heads the Knesset lobby for mixed cities, called on Public Security Minister Avi Dichter to come to Acre. "I foresee an immediate danger - these sorts of riots might spread to the rest of the region," she added.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in response to the riots that maintaining coexistence between Arab and Jewish sectors in Israel was a highly important mission. He called on Acre residents to show restraint and to do their best to make efforts to get life in (javascript:void(0)) the city back on track.
Kadima leader Tzipi Livni spoke with Acre Mayor Shimon Lankri, who updated her on events.
Israel Beiteinu MK Estherina Tartman said, "The pogrom in Acre is another proof that the Arabs of Israel are the real threat to the state. There is no solution [other than] a swap of territories," she said.
Israel's only Arab minister, Ghaleb Majadle (Labor) said he believed that the Acre riot was "an exceptional and unusual incident, and I hope it won't repeat itself."
MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) called the Public Security Minister Avi Dichter and Police Chief David Cohen to resign. "Israel has become the only country in the world where pogroms against Jews are taking place, [with participants] harming them, their property and calling to kill the Jews. A police [force] incapable of protecting the Jewish residents of Acre and Peki'in needs to reassess itself," Steinitz said.
Shelly Paz contributed to this report

[Moledet]

As always I suggest to not buy anything from Arabs.

[Holycrusader]

As always I suggest to not buy anything from Arabs.

I have a deja vu...

[domokun]

As an atheist is see this as massive show of stupidity, quite similar to those muhammed cartoon riots. Religion should not dictate any laws and rules besides laws for freedom of religion. All others are religion based oppression.

[RoyB]

Doesn't matter if someone is atheist or not, of course I condemn the huge riot that is taking place, but driving your car in a Jewish city, on Yom Kippur which has its traditions, is a provoking act, and being Arab isn't really helping, its not like some fanatics decided to stone them, its normal people.
And in the 2007 Yom Kippur, we saw what could happen when someone is driving on Yom Kippur, a little girl got killed.
Anyway, I hope the situation will chill.

[IDF_TANKER]

As an atheist is see this as massive show of stupidity, quite similar to those muhammed cartoon riots. Religion should not dictate any laws and rules besides laws for freedom of religion. All others are religion based oppression.

It's not about the religion, religion was merely used to create provocation. Read my previous post, last year a girl was killed in similar circumstances.

[Moledet]

As an atheist is see this as massive show of stupidity, quite similar to those muhammed cartoon riots. Religion should not dictate any laws and rules besides laws for freedom of religion. All others are religion based oppression.
Right, but people should respect each others traditions and the Arabs tend to never do that.
They have to light fireworks, use the loudspeakers in mosque to call for prayer (and in Acre case call for Arabs to come out and kill Jews at 2AM in Yom Kippur), drive through the streets recklessly with loud music on (and ignore people asking you to turn it down) while they know there are people and bicycles on the road and then come out and destroy shops, cars and other property while calling death for Jews.
These people are saints, no doubt.

There is no law that forbid driving on Yom Kippur and many people went on trips or to the beach in the time of the fest and surprisingly non of them were lynched in the process.

[domokun]

It's not about the religion, religion was merely used to create provocation. Read my previous post, last year a girl was killed in similar circumstances.

Traditions and customs of others is always something that must be taken into account, it's simply part of common courtecy and common sense. That girl issue is sad and normal caution in driving should be concerned as always. RIP to her. But calling an normal idiot an terrorist, that is bit far fetched at best.

Personally if I lived in Israel, I would take serious thinking before driving on Yom Kippur. Only if there is absolute need like medical emergency, if in lesser need then avoid orthodox areas like plaque if possible. What that guy did was idiotic, music and all.

Personally if I was in power I'd ban excessive audio stuff as dangerous and harmful. I hate it when I hear music some random idiot is playing from long distance.

[kamaz]

its like a jew, walking around a mosque on ramadan, chewing on fried bacon.


i wonder if he wouldve started riots. i mean these people kill over cartoons. but when the foots on the other shoe, its 'discrimination'

[Excalibur]

so, who rioted ? who caused damage to property, jews or arabs? it's not clear from BBC's report.

[~Berdan]

so, who rioted ? who caused damage to property, jews or arabs? it's not clear from BBC's report.

Some Arab dude was driving to his relatives threw Jewish area of the city.Some guys got pissed (Yaum Kippur is the holiest day in Israel) and started to throw stones on his car.The Arab dude phoned his friends,the friends phoned their friends,soon enough a large crowd of Arabs came to that neighborhood and started a little mess that turned into a big mess.

[DZMouloudia]

As always I suggest to not buy anything from Arabs.

Sounds very familiar:) i ve seen something similar somewhere else.

ohhh yeap i remember now

http://i43.servimg.com/u/f43/11/93/90/12/1433710.gif (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1335&u=11939012)

A woman reads a boycott sign posted in the window of a Jewish-owned department store. The sign reads, "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda, buy only at German shops!" April 1, 1933.

Spreading hate is just wrong, Jews and Arabs will always have to live in the same neighborhood ( The middle east) so fear mongering is just not helpful.

It's just strange how history tends to repeat itself.

[Mr.Flint]

Sounds very familiar:) i ve seen something similar somewhere else.

ohhh yeap i remember now

A woman reads a boycott sign posted in the window of a Jewish-owned department store. The sign reads, "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda, buy only at German shops!" April 1, 1933.

Spreading hate is just wrong, Jews and Arabs will always have to live in the same neighborhood ( The middle east) so fear mongering is just not healpful.

You are an idiot.
When Arabs boycott its ok, when Jews want to boycott they are Nazis... lovely spin.

In case you missed, the Arabs used a classic tactic of inciting a riot - first provoke a reaction, then bring in the forces, and play a victim at the same time.


And InetWarrior, imagine someone driving near a ceremony commemorating Warsaw Uprising, with Nazi march blaring out of the car? That person will be assaulted without doubt.

[~Berdan]

Sounds very familiar:) i ve seen something similar somewhere else.


Yep,now that you say it,I think it does sounds a bit familiar....

Oh,here it is!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&q=israeli+boycott&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA+%D0%B2+Google&lr=

Not that I don't agree with you,hate doesn't solve anything,just it seams Araps didn't got that memo...

[DZMouloudia]

You are an idiot.
When Arabs boycott its ok, when Jews want to boycott they are Nazis... lovely spin.

In case you missed, the Arabs used a classic tactic of inciting a riot - first provoke a reaction, then bring in the forces, and play a victim at the same time.


And InetWarrior, imagine someone driving near a ceremony commemorating Warsaw Uprising, with Nazi march blaring out of the car? That person will be assaulted without doubt.

That was very informative:) I do believe in the freedom of speech, but by calling me an idiot, it just shows that you are an ignorant moron, blinded by hate, but its ok. I forgive you :)
But for the sack of discussion next time try to prove a point or at least use an argument because name calling just tells me that you have no brain.

The only thing i was complaining about is when people start spreading hate like " stop buying from Jews" and for that matter, i would have said the same if an Arab would have said " stop buying from Jews" because my friend we just have to learn to live with the fact that Jews are here to stay and so are the 300 millions Arabs surrounding them.



Yep,now that you say it,I think it does sounds a bit familiar....

Oh,here it is!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&q...%B2+Google&lr=

Not that I don't agree with you,hate doesn't solve anything,just it seams Araps didn't got that memo...

Agree with you 100%, But just because some morons are saying that we dont have to start the collective punishment Technics.

[Snoshi]

Nope what you did is to post a flamebait that many other "anti-zionist's" use.. And that is comparing Israel and its citizens with Nazis..

[DZMouloudia]

Nope what you did is to post a flamebait that many other "anti-zionist's" use.. And that is comparing Israel and its citizens with Nazis..

All what i was saying is that we should not use the same Technics that were used by the Nazis( the scums of the earth).

The distinguished member was bragging about how he said not to ever buy from Arabs, and my replay was that it sounded just like what the Nazis use to say about Jews.

Hate is just wrong, it does not matter how you put it.

I am not trying to start anything, if you have asked me about the riots, i would have told you that Arabs that live in mix neighborhood should show more sensitivity and respect toward their Neighbors, and it goes both ways.

[Moledet]

Sounds very familiar:) i ve seen something similar somewhere else.

ohhh yeap i remember now
Right, because a Jewish mob going through the streets wrecking everything in its path used to happen a lot in Europe, right? Jews also used to terrorize the citizens of Europe and apart of being deeply involved in drugs and stealing they took part in organizations that called for the destruction of the state they were living in and took part in such demonstrations. In additions, Jewish parliament members openly and freely called for the destruction of the state they lived in and used to meet with enemy leaders and even betray the state.

Jews were scapegoats in Europe, Arabs are no scapegoats.

[Snoshi]

All what i was saying is that we should not use the same Technics that were used by the Nazis( the scums of the earth).

The distinguished member was bragging about how he said not to ever buy from Arabs, and my replay was that it sounded just like what the Nazis use to say about Jews.

Hate is just wrong, it does not matter how you put it.

First of all what Molodet meant was that Arab "stories" and "news reports" should not be taken seriously..
You either misunderstood or twisted hes words and made the classical nazi analogy..

And you Nazi argument is ridiculous.

[DZMouloudia]

WaW, i am being attacked left and right because i did dare say that you not supposed to use stuff like " stop buying from Arabs", ok, whatever float your boat.

So what's the solution?
Ethnic cleansing? mass deportation of Arabs?? You guys will have to come up with an end game solution, don't you think so? Crucifying anything that looks or sounds Arab is in no way going to lead you to peace.

I really think that we as people will have two solutions.
First, two completely independent states, with a shared capital " Jerusalem"
Second, One state, with the one soul one vote solution.

I know, I am going to get it from everywhere, and how Jerusalem will never be divided and that Arabsshould go live somewhere else......... bala bla......etc

The fact and the matter is that the two people will have to make some very unpopular concessions in order for their kids to leave in peace, you can go and go about you will never do this or that but we all know the answer. The other alternative to peace will be this never ending vicious circle. One more thing, there is no such thing called " free Meal"
Just my 2 cents, done with this thread now.

Peace, Shalom and Salam :)

[Spartan003]

You drive in Israel, you get stoned, you drive in Saudi Arabia, you get stoned. Middle East, lovely place, come visit lol

[Snoshi]

You drive in Israel, you get stoned, you drive in Saudi Arabia, you get stoned. Middle East, lovely place, come visit lol

Umm.. You dint read the article did you?

[Spartan003]

Umm.. You dint read the article did you?

I actually did, thank you. I was pointing out that middle ages mentality and religious idiocy is present everywhere in that region.

[Moledet]

I actually did, thank you. I was pointing out that middle ages mentality and religious idiocy is present everywhere in that region.
Right, I suggest you attend a Panathinaikos game wearing a red shirt.

[PaulClift]

So was it a deliberate provocation?

I won't for one stop doing things around here (UK) due to other peoples religious festivals as I believe I'm free to do what I like, but doing something just for the sake of causing offence is wrong.

[Moledet]

So was it a deliberate provocation?

I won't for one stop doing things around here (UK) due to other peoples religious festivals as I believe I'm free to do what I like, but doing something just for the sake of causing offence is wrong.
Yes, it was deliberate and the police arrested the muezzin at the mosque that incited on the loudspeakers the Arab residents to go out to the streets with weapons.

You can drive, you can go on vacation, you can do whatever you like (apart of working) just do it with care. Don't drive amok with loud music on and stop at the main street while the music is on and refuse to turn it off. Some people went on motorcycle trips and they weren't stoned.

If you want an example, this is a pool in the middle of the desert-seldom there are so many people in such places. It was taken on Thursday.
http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forums/1_122453404.jpg

[DZMouloudia]

Just to put things in prospectives:


Last update - 16:11 10/10/2008

Fresh clashes between Arabs, Jews erupt in Acre

By Jack Khoury, Jonathan Lis, Fadi Eyadat and Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondents

Tags: Acre, Yom Kippur, Israel News

Clashes between Jewish and Arab residents in Acre broke out again on Friday after violent riots first erupted in the northern city on the eve of Yom Kippur.

Dozens of Jewish youths gathered in front of an Israeli Arab family's home on the city's Ehad Ha'am street, upon which a number of masked figures - apparently Arabs - were standing.

Large police forces succeeded in separating the sides, and later managed to enforce quiet in the city, according to Israel Radio.
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Earlier Friday, Public Security Minister Avi Dichter vowed that police would deal firmly with those responsible for inciting Wednesday night's riots.

"The inciters and perpetrators will be located and brought to justice," Dichter pledged.

He also blasted both Jews and Muslims for the incitement that led to the escalation of the riots. "We will check the calls in Mosques for the Arab public to go out onto the streets," Dichter said.

The minister stressed that comparing the riots to Kristallnacht - the 1938 "Night of Broken Glass" Nazi pogrom - displayed in the best case ignorance and in the worst, incitement.

He said: "Calls [by Jews] for residents to carry arms is in effect incitement for its own sake."

Earlier Friday, Acre's mayor announced that the city has decided to cancel its yearly festival in the wake of the riots.

Mayor Shimon Lankri said the municipality has decided not to risk further clashes by allowing the festival, scheduled for next week, as tensions between the city residents are still high.

Meanwhile, police forces deployed in large numbers throughout the city on Friday in an effort to repress any residual violence.

An Israel Police source said on Thursday that the police had no prior intelligence about the possibility of clashes between Jewish and Arab residents, which erupted on the eve of Yom Kippur on Wednesday.

The riots, some of the worst the city has seen in years, began around midnight on Wednesday after an Arab resident of the Old City of Acre drove his car into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in eastern Acre, where he said he lived.

Jewish teens at the scene said the Arab man was deliberately making noise and smoking cigarettes. The teens attacked the man and shortly afterward, a group of Arab teens arrived at the scene, igniting a riot.

When news of the incident spread, a crowd of Arabs began to gather along the main commercial street in the new city, Ben Ami Street. Dozens of cars and shops along the street were vandalized.

Police faced off against hundreds of Jewish rioters chanting "death to Arabs" and trying to block the city's main thoroughfare. Border Police and officers on horse-back meanwhile tried to prevent the rioters from reaching the city center, where hundreds of Arab rioters had gathered.

Arabs and Jews hurled rocks at each other at the Acre train station and police used water hoses and tear gas to disperse them. In the Old City, Arabs threw stones and burned tires. Two people were reported injured, one by a police horse and the other by a stone to the head.

Police summoned reinforcements from other districts earlier Thursday in anticipation of a renewal of the violent clashes. Hundreds of police are now stationed in the city.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1027942.html

It was just one big misunderstanding, i dont really think that Bunch of kids can be used as a reliable source. Both sides need to Chill the f*** out

[Player]

You drive in Israel, you get stoned, you drive in Saudi Arabia, you get stoned. Middle East, lovely place, come visit lol

Because riots never happen in Europe right?

[Moti]

Because riots never happen in Europe right?

Not by muslims......................... p-)

[DZMouloudia]

Not by muslims......................... p-)

Very funny.....:)

Lets start a Muslim bashing contest right?????

[Hollis]

done with this thread now.

Peace, Shalom and Salam :)


That was less than two hours ago, you should have heeded your own words.

[Player]

I think that it was just one big misunderstanding,

Sure, a group of hundreds of Arabs turning over cars, vandalizing shops and throwing stones at people is just one big misunderstanding...


i dont really think that Bunch of kids can be used as a reliable source.

Of course not, a bunch of hundreds of little Arab kiddies who decided to play a little with Jewish cars and police on Yom Kippur is nothing...


Both sides need to Chill the f*** out

Because people should just ignore a hundred of little Arab kiddies playing on streets with their cars on what so randomly happened to be the Day of Atonement. Also it's very well known that Jews vandalize Arab neighborhoods on Ramadan from time to time.

Jews chill!

[RoyB]

The stupid argument should stop right now...
Doesn't matter if its teens, grandpas, or aunties, the guy knew it was Yom Kippur, he knew he was entering a Jewish neighborhood, and he surprised he got stoned? his saying he was on his way to bring cakes to his family, I mean come on, even if it wasn't deliberate, use your mind.

[Peris]

As an atheist is see this as massive show of stupidity, quite similar to those muhammed cartoon riots. Religion should not dictate any laws and rules besides laws for freedom of religion. All others are religion based oppression.


what do you mean by the term atheist?

[JJC]

I actually did, thank you. I was pointing out that middle ages mentality and religious idiocy is present everywhere in that region.

Europe so enlightened and the rest of the world is still in Dark Ages because they dare to preserve their traditions which religion is part of.:roll: Does it really make a difference if in the Middle East you can get killed over religion but in Europe over soccer?

[Peris]

Europe so enlightened and the rest of the world is still in Dark Ages because they dare to preserve their traditions which religion is part of.:roll: Does it really make a difference if in the Middle East you can get killed over religion but in Europe over soccer?


fanaticism is the source of the problem.

[Mr.Flint]

fanaticism is the source of the problem.
fanaticism, is not the culprit here, despite what some posters try to insinuate.

A stupid brawl, provoked by an idiot who should have enough sense, to either turn off the music, drive around, or walk, that turned into a riot, thanks to idiots with microphones.

[domokun]

Does it really make a difference if in the Middle East you can get killed over religion but in Europe over soccer?

First it is football, a ballgame where ball is mostly conrolled and malipulated with feet unlike uncivilized Americans believe, in game wher elliptical object is grabbed in hands. Football violence is not about football at all it is about beatting up members other firms, masculine closeness, friendship and love (last three all in not homoerotic sense).

Personally I don't like the fact that Finland does not have proper Football culture like UK used to have. p-)


Getting killed for religion is by barbarians for barbarians.

[crayola]

mini-kristallnacht, anyone?

it is always the arabs' fault, innit

"as retribution, let's not buy anything from them!"

good on ya moledet

=\

[RoyB]

Mini Kristallnacht? where you get all that ****?!
In this case, yes its the Arabs fault, no one said its always the Arabs fault.
I suggest you should read the articles and posts in this thread to get a better look on things. somehow its always get to the point where the other members compare the events to some events that been committed on the Jews, which are not the same at ALL.

[crayola]

Mini Kristallnacht? where you get all that ****?!
In this case, yes its the Arabs fault, no one said its always the Arabs fault.
I suggest you should read the articles and posts in this thread to get a better look on things. somehow its always get to the point where the other members compare the events to some events that been committed on the Jews, which are not the same at ALL.

I stand by my post, as i have read all articles posted.

AND yes, definitely: the arab driver in question is alleged to have committed a crime.

HOWEVER, fact of the matter is,

1) the youths attacked the arab instead of turning him over to the authorities, i.e., went all vigilante on his ass

2) insidious rumors then ignited riots (rioters being the non-arabs in this incident) who went on to cause more damage

3) arabs then lost it as well.


please explain how arabs are responsible for Jewish rioting and aggression?

Or, is it common practise to take the law into one's own hands in Israel?

do keep it civil please :hug: dont want any more infraction notices!

[Moledet]

The youths attacked him because he refused to leave or turn the music down. There were no Jewish rioters, they threw stones at him and then he went to the hospital over minor injuries and right after that an Arab mob armed with weapons attacked the Jewish neighborhood and they didn't face any resistance (the Arabs destroyed the entire street-cars, shops, road signs, etc... and called "Death to Jews", "Allahu Akbar" and threatened to kill anyone that will leave his home). When the fest ended Jewish riots started and they tried reaching the Arab neighborhood to revenge the destruction.

You can't call the police simply because the guy talking to you on the phone in Acre police is an Arab, you think he will call for riot control against his friends?

Anyway, this is good for the elections-more votes to the far right.

[crayola]

The youths attacked him because he refused to leave or turn the music down. There were no Jewish rioters, they threw stones at him and then he went to the hospital over minor injuries and right after that an Arab mob armed with weapons attacked the Jewish neighborhood and they didn't face any resistance (the Arabs destroyed the entire street-cars, shops, road signs, etc... and called "Death to Jews", "Allahu Akbar" and threatened to kill anyone that will leave his home). When the fest ended Jewish riots started and they tried reaching the Arab neighborhood to revenge the destruction.

You can't call the police simply because the guy talking to you on the phone in Acre police is an Arab, you think he will call for riot control against his friends?

Anyway, this is good for the elections-more votes to the far right.


well the information is still murky...and you're unfortunately right about the vote repercussion

[gilgoul]

I stand by my post, as i have read all articles posted.

AND yes, definitely: the arab driver in question is alleged to have committed a crime.

HOWEVER, fact of the matter is,

1) the youths attacked the arab instead of turning him over to the authorities, i.e., went all vigilante on his ass

2) insidious rumors then ignited riots (rioters being the non-arabs in this incident) who went on to cause more damage

3) arabs then lost it as well.


please explain how arabs are responsible for Jewish rioting and aggression?

Or, is it common practise to take the law into one's own hands in Israel?

do keep it civil please :hug: dont want any more infraction notices!


You should be reminded the sequence of events here:

A: three arab residents of the old city of Akko drive into a jewish neighborhood, despite the symbolic road block at the entrance of it.
They drive recklessly, blast music and when asked to leave; refuse.

A1: The residents of the Neighborhood turn on their ass and they are lightly injured, while the car they left behind is pelted with stones and other projectiles.

A2: They flee the neighborhood, are treated for minor injuries and are released.

B: In the same time, or shortly thereafter, the false rumor saying that the Jews killed an Arab is spread in the Old City of Akko, hotbed of local islamists. The Muezzin spreads the rumor, while hundreds of arabs, among them, well known provocateurs and Islamists, gather at the entrance of the old city, from where they will go on a rampage on Jewish property in Ben Ami street, damaging and looting more than a 120 cars and at least 20 shops, they will be stopped only a few yards away from the entrance of the Ben Gurion Neighborhood.

B1: The police cannot restore order, calls in reinforcements, while the elders of the arab comunity are called in to calm down the situation.

C: After the end of Yom Kippur, jews demonstrate in the Ben Ami neighborhood against the arabs who damaged and looted their property.
Some are rioters, some not, and actually no arab property is going to be damaged in this particular incident, thanks to the intervention of riot police.

True, there is a desire of revenge, and rioting is from now on going to be seen on both side, but conveniently interpreting the sequence of events as you do just fits your version of the incident, not the truth.

As of the trigger of this ****strom, I have two questions for you:

- Are you aware of the ethnic tensions in Akko, and the multiple arab provocations, near lynch and permanent state of insecurity in the arab neighborhood?

- Not to excuse in anyway the beating of those three arab provocateurs, could you even fathom eating a sandwich, smoking a cigarette or drinking a pop can in an arab neighborhood during Ramadan?

[Bolt]

I think there is anti-semitism in this thread!

[[MakkabI]]

You should be reminded the sequence of events here:

A: three arab residents of the old city of Akko drive into a jewish neighborhood, despite the symbolic road block at the entrance of it.
They drive recklessly, blast music and when asked to leave; refuse.

A1: The residents of the Neighborhood turn on their ass and they are lightly injured, while the car they left behind is pelted with stones and other projectiles.

A2: They flee the neighborhood, are treated for minor injuries and are released.

B: In the same time, or shortly thereafter, the false rumor saying that the Jews killed an Arab is spread in the Old City of Akko, hotbed of local islamists. The Muezzin spreads the rumor, while hundreds of arabs, among them, well known provocateurs and Islamists, gather at the entrance of the old city, from where they will go on a rampage on Jewish property in Ben Ami street, damaging and looting more than a 120 cars and at least 20 shops, they will be stopped only a few yards away from the entrance of the Ben Gurion Neighborhood.

B1: The police cannot restore order, calls in reinforcements, while the elders of the arab comunity are called in to calm down the situation.

C: After the end of Yom Kippur, jews demonstrate in the Ben Ami neighborhood against the arabs who damaged and looted their property.
Some are rioters, some not, and actually no arab property is going to be damaged in this particular incident, thanks to the intervention of riot police.

True, there is a desire of revenge, and rioting is from now on going to be seen on both side, but conveniently interpreting the sequence of events as you do just fits your version of the incident, not the truth.

As of the trigger of this ****strom, I have two questions for you:

- Are you aware of the ethnic tensions in Akko, and the multiple arab provocations, near lynch and permanent state of insecurity in the arab neighborhood?

- Not to excuse in anyway the beating of those three arab provocateurs, could you even fathom eating a sandwich, smoking a cigarette or drinking a pop can in an arab neighborhood during Ramadan?

True! Well said!

[RoyB]

The Arab driver went through a road block at the entrance of the neighborhood, he drove the car in there with loud music, he knew what he was doing, so yes, its his fault.
Lets think what would have happened if a Jew was walking around a mosque on Ramadan, with a bacon sandwich in one hand and a cigarette in the other...
Its enough for him to be a just a Jew to get killed.

[IDF_TANKER]

Israeli city hit by fresh clashes
Israeli police have clashed with Jewish protesters in the northern city of Acre on the third day of violence involving Jews and Israeli-Arabs.
Police fired water cannon at a crowd of at least 200 people to prevent them from entering an Arab neighbourhood.
It came as the prime minister-designate visited the city to appeal for calm.
The trouble broke out late on Wednesday after an Israeli-Arab man was assaulted for driving his car during Yom Kippur - the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.
Most of Israel comes to a standstill on Yom Kippur - the Day of Atonement - for a sombre day of fasting, during which it is considered offensive to drive in much of Israel.
The Arab man, Tawfik Jamal, was reportedly attacked by youths who said he was making noise intentionally.
Mr Jamal is reported to have said he was simply driving to a property he owned in the eastern part of the city.
High alert
Friday's violence occurred just hours after Tzipi Livni, who is trying to form a new government after the resignation of Ehud Olmert, urged people from both communities not to let anger turn into the violence.


Jews and Arabs must stop immediately this violence which will not benefit anyone
Shimon Peres
Israeli president

"The only message to be relayed today - and this is for the national leadership, the local leadership, everyone - from now on, we take ourselves in hand, embrace each other, together," she said.
Earlier, Israeli President Shimon Peres appealed for calm saying the violence would "not benefit anyone".
Security forces were already on high alert, and some 500 extra officers had been deployed in Acre to assist the 200-strong local police force.
Police said that the "large-scale" Jewish-Arab rioting, which erupted late on Wednesday, was the worst that the city had seen in recent years.
About one third of Acre's population of almost 50,000 residents are Israeli-Arabs, with the highest concentration in the Old City.
Israeli-Arabs are people of Palestinian origin whose forbears remained in Israel after the foundation of the country in 1948.
They number about one million - about one-fifth of the Israeli population - and although they have full rights as Israeli citizens, human rights groups say they face discrimination and exclusion.


Source

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7663870.stm)The BBC version. Here is the game - find the difference from the Gilgoul's time line. I perhaps missed this part, but I have a hard time to find the Arabs rioting part. To an innocent reader it will look like there was an Arabs which entered Jewish neighborhood merely to get to his own property, when the Jews attacked him and then went to continue to the Arabic neighborhood. That's it. Typical BBC lie by omission.

[crayola]

You should be reminded the sequence of events here:

A: three arab residents of the old city of Akko drive into a jewish neighborhood, despite the symbolic road block at the entrance of it.
They drive recklessly, blast music and when asked to leave; refuse.

A1: The residents of the Neighborhood turn on their ass and they are lightly injured, while the car they left behind is pelted with stones and other projectiles.

A2: They flee the neighborhood, are treated for minor injuries and are released.

B: In the same time, or shortly thereafter, the false rumor saying that the Jews killed an Arab is spread in the Old City of Akko, hotbed of local islamists. The Muezzin spreads the rumor, while hundreds of arabs, among them, well known provocateurs and Islamists, gather at the entrance of the old city, from where they will go on a rampage on Jewish property in Ben Ami street, damaging and looting more than a 120 cars and at least 20 shops, they will be stopped only a few yards away from the entrance of the Ben Gurion Neighborhood.

B1: The police cannot restore order, calls in reinforcements, while the elders of the arab comunity are called in to calm down the situation.

C: After the end of Yom Kippur, jews demonstrate in the Ben Ami neighborhood against the arabs who damaged and looted their property.
Some are rioters, some not, and actually no arab property is going to be damaged in this particular incident, thanks to the intervention of riot police.

True, there is a desire of revenge, and rioting is from now on going to be seen on both side, but conveniently interpreting the sequence of events as you do just fits your version of the incident, not the truth.

As of the trigger of this ****strom, I have two questions for you:

- Are you aware of the ethnic tensions in Akko, and the multiple arab provocations, near lynch and permanent state of insecurity in the arab neighborhood?

- Not to excuse in anyway the beating of those three arab provocateurs, could you even fathom eating a sandwich, smoking a cigarette or drinking a pop can in an arab neighborhood during Ramadan?

we'll agree with your timeline of events, and also that there are agitators on both sides, jewish and arab.

As for your questions: no, i have no clue about akko.

As for the smoking, pop can, sandwich: it Happens ALL the time. I have lived in the middleeast more than a decade.

A lot of people chose not to fast,

[gilgoul]

As for the smoking, pop can, sandwich: it Happens ALL the time. I have lived in the middleeast more than a decade.

A lot of people chose not to fast,

Then honestly, tell me where and when.

During this Ramadan, I had palestinian workers sent by my landlord to repair our balcony, one of them would come inside the house to hide to drink water and take his medication away from his co-workers, and he was the boss!

When I was a kid growing up in the 19th district of Paris (Belleville), non fasting muslims would get their ass kicked publickly if they were caught drinking or smoking during the holy month, and nowadays in Jerusalem, one doesn't enter the muslim part of the old city eating, drinking or smoking, even if he is not muslim.

[ColinP]

So driving on Yom Kipper is forbidden, but rioting isn't? seems to me that the rioting is far more disrepectful of the intent than a non-jewish person driving through?

[IDF_TANKER]

So driving on Yom Kipper is forbidden, but rioting isn't? seems to me that the rioting is far more disrepectful of the intent than a non-jewish person driving through?

Read again the Gilgoul's post:



C: After the end of Yom Kippur, jews demonstrate in the Ben Ami neighborhood against the arabs who damaged and looted their property.
Some are rioters, some not, and actually no arab property is going to be damaged in this particular incident, thanks to the intervention of riot police.

[tea drinker]

its like a jew, walking around a mosque on ramadan, chewing on fried bacon. :)p-)

It is very sad story of the little girl.... accidents can happena and destroy the drivers life too but this does sound like an unintended result from dangerous driving. The guy driving around with loudspeakers blaring was really really stupid. The riots sound bad, I am glad no one was killed in spite of provocations

I didn't know you guys took this stuff so seriously, the fasting, no driving etc. Interesting. It's ok for cops to drive marked cars?

[DZMouloudia]

So driving on Yom Kipper is forbidden, but rioting isn't? seems to me that the rioting is far more disrepectful of the intent than a non-jewish person driving through?

As long as the rioting and the house burning is directed toward Arabs, its acceptable. :)

Its funny how some members have been raising hell about a guy who drove in YK, but its ok for the Jewish vigilante association :) to go and burn houses for 3 days.


Friday overnight, two Arab-owned apartments were torched in the town as violence in the city continued from the holiday, police said SaturdayPolice said that two empty apartments owned by Arabs in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood were set alight. Overall, 12 people are in custody for rioting and eight are under house arrest..



Earlier Saturday, leaders of the Arab community met with the commander of Israel Police's Northern District and the commander of the Acre station.



They agreed that the Arab leaders will publicly condemn the driver who sparked the riots when he drove into a Jewish neighborhood of the city on Wednesday evening, after the beginning of Yom Kippur.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017501207&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[DZMouloudia]

So driving on Yom Kipper is forbidden, but rioting isn't? seems to me that the rioting is far more disrepectful of the intent than a non-jewish person driving through?

As long as the rioting and the house burning is directed toward Arabs, its acceptable. :)

Its funny how some members have been raising hell about a guy who drove in YK, but its ok for the Jewish vigilantes to go and burn houses for 3 days, its just a normal reaction right:)


On Friday afternoon, the clashes which began on Yom Kippur were renewed after dozens of Jewish residents hurled rocks at Arabs living in the northern city's eastern neighborhood. Police forces arriving at the scene managed to disperse the crowds and several arrests were made.


Friday overnight, two Arab-owned apartments were torched in the town as violence in the city continued from the holiday, police said Saturday.

Police said that two empty apartments owned by Arabs in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood were set alight. Overall, 12 people are in custody for rioting and eight are under house arrest.


Earlier Saturday, leaders of the Arab community met with the commander of Israel Police's Northern District and the commander of the Acre station.



They agreed that the Arab leaders will publicly condemn the driver who sparked the riots when he drove into a Jewish neighborhood of the city on Wednesday evening, after the beginning of Yom Kip

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017501207&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[Snoshi]

As long as the rioting and the house burning is directed toward Arabs, its acceptable. :)
Do you ever see what you write? Riot was started by an arab man who drove hes car on the most holiest day for the Jews with hes music blasting out of hes windows, it was Arabs that started to trash Jewish business's and cars.
Only after the YK Jews went on the streets.


Its funny how some members have been raising hell about a guy who drove in YK, but its ok for the Jewish vigilante Limited:) to go and burn houses for 3 days.
So how many houses have been burned? Expect one that was hit by a Molotov cocktail?

[DZMouloudia]

Do you ever see what you write? Riot was started by an arab man who drove hes car on the most holiest day for the Jews with hes music blasting out of hes windows, it was Arabs that started to trash Jewish business's and cars.
Only after the YK Jews went on the streets.

So how many houses have been burned? Expect one that was hit by a Molotov cocktail?


Friday overnight, two Arab-owned apartments were torched in the town as violence in the city continued from the holiday, police said Saturday.

Police said that two empty apartments owned by Arabs in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood were set alight. Overall, 12 people are in custody for rioting and eight are under house arrest.

Too bad that city was a good example of coexistence between Jews and Arabs.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017501207&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Ok he did something stupid call the cops, Sue him or is it the vigilant land where you should take the law into your on hand. or is it collective punishment just like the WB.

[Snoshi]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017501207&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Ok he did something stupid call the cops, Sue him or is it collective punishment just like the WB.

Again.. Read how it went down

A: three arab residents of the old city of Akko drive into a jewish neighborhood, despite the symbolic road block at the entrance of it.
They drive recklessly, blast music and when asked to leave; refuse.

A1: The residents of the Neighborhood turn on their ass and they are lightly injured, while the car they left behind is pelted with stones and other projectiles.

A2: They flee the neighborhood, are treated for minor injuries and are released.

B: In the same time, or shortly thereafter, the false rumor saying that the Jews killed an Arab is spread in the Old City of Akko, hotbed of local islamists. The Muezzin spreads the rumor, while hundreds of arabs, among them, well known provocateurs and Islamists, gather at the entrance of the old city, from where they will go on a rampage on Jewish property in Ben Ami street, damaging and looting more than a 120 cars and at least 20 shops, they will be stopped only a few yards away from the entrance of the Ben Gurion Neighborhood.

B1: The police cannot restore order, calls in reinforcements, while the elders of the arab comunity are called in to calm down the situation.

[DZMouloudia]

Again.. Read how it went down

If you noticed every time i say something i always use a quote, a reliable quote not just what some random member said.

Ok, i do get it that an Arab guy did make a stupid move and drove in Yk in the Jewish side of the city ok i did get that, but what i am having a problem with is that you guys are having no problem with the riots, i thought Israel had a good legal system, so why dont they just take it to court.

What i find disturbing is that none of our esteemed Israeli members had condemned the riots, they keep saying the " guy drove in YK", soo all arabs deserve it now:)

[Snoshi]

If you noticed every time i say something i always use a quote, a reliable quote not just what some random member said.

What i find disturbing is that none of our esteemed Israeli members had condemned the riots, they keep saying the " guy drove in YK", soo all arabs deserve it now:)
Hey.. I can understand how those residents feel.. First an arab drives a car on the most holiest day, then arab mobs attack building and cars..

And you make it sound like there is some mass slaughter of arabs going on in Akko..

[IDF_TANKER]

If you noticed every time i say something i always use a quote, a reliable quote not just what some random member said.

Ok, i do get it that an Arab guy did make a stupid move and drove in Yk in the Jewish side of the city ok i did get that, but what i am having a problem with is that you guys are having no problem with the riots, i thought Israel had a good legal system, so why dont they just take it to court.

What i find disturbing is that none of our esteemed Israeli members had condemned the riots, they keep saying the " guy drove in YK", soo all arabs deserve it now:)

What I find disturbing is that you keep ignoring Arabic riots (which actually caused the Jewish riots after Yom Kippur), including calls by their imams to go and kill Jews, looting and destroying property.

[DZMouloudia]

Hey.. I can understand how those residents feel.. First an arab drives a car on the most holiest day, then arab mobs attack building and cars..

And you make it sound like there is some mass slaughter of arabs going on in Akko..

A gain the vigilante mentality:) all what i asked you to do is to to condemn the riots, and you still telling me that you understand the residents.

I thought that Israel is a civilized country, a beacon of democracy in the middle east, a western democracy in the middle of savages what happen to all that?

Now its ok to take law on your on hands:)



And you make it sound like there is some mass slaughter of arabs going on in Akko..

So as long as they are not killing arabs its ok to start a riot and burn things.


What I find disturbing is that you keep ignoring Arabic riots (which actually caused the Jewish riots after Yom Kippur), including calls by their imams to go and kill Jews, looting and destroying property.


By the way iam against riots from both side. All involved should face jail time( Arabs and jews)

all what i did dare ask if for you to say that youare against acts of violence but i guess i was asking for to much:)

[Snoshi]

Again.. you are swimming.. There have been riots everywhere in the western world.. The first thing that pops up are Australian riots.. It got nothing to do with "democracy" or "beacon of light".